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What Queen's Quay looked like before the condos

Posted by Derek Flack / March 16, 2012

Queen's Quay History TorontoQueen's Quay, like so many areas around downtown Toronto, has undergone massive change over the last 30 years or so. Once a street that serviced waterfront industry and passengers about to embark on ferries headed to the Toronto Islands, our city's most southerly street (at least in terms of the downtown core) is now something of a neighbourhood unto itself, complete with condos galore, tourist attractions (Harbourfront Centre), and office space in the York Quay Centre.

And more change is on the way. Waterfront Toronto has big plans for the section of Queen's Quay to the east of Yonge, where the future is only hinted at in developments like Sugar Beach, Sherbourne Common and the Corus Building. There's even a snazzy new video that'll show you what it's all supposed to look like when the construction is finally complete. But what did the street look like before all this development? Although it's probably not a place to get particularly nostalgic about, it's always intriguing to situate the city within the context of its industrial past.

2011715-waterfront-fill-1926-from-yonge-f1231_it1383.jpgQueen's Quay was born, as it were, at the turn to the 20th century when various efforts were made to expand the city southward by filling in the harbour. Up until the early 1970s, the street bore an almost exclusively industrial character save for the ferry docks. Streetcar service arrived in the late 1920s, only to disappear some 50 years years later before its eventual return in 1989. Throughout this period, Queen's Quay was a mostly tired stretch of road, home to various silos and warehouses, and, of course, the Toronto Terminal Warehouse.

If you weren't going to work here or destined for a ferry boat, chances are you skipped Queen's Quay altogether. Things would slowly change in the 1970s when the Toronto Terminal was converted to the York Quay Centre and the Westin Harbour Castle Hotel was built. In the years that followed, condos slowly sprouted up between these two anchors, before the street was officially extended west from Rees Street to Stadium Road in the mid 1980s.

By that time, the a real estate boom was starting to to gear up, and the prime waterfront property would quickly be bought up by developers. It's not all about condos here, however. Although they tend to dominate the north side of the street — creating, some will say, a barrier to the waterfront — the southern tip has seen promising developments like HTO park and the revitalized Power Plant art gallery.

And that's not to mention what's taking place east of Yonge. It remains to be seen just what the character of the street will be when development pushes beyond Sherbourne, but if recent projects are any indication, there's reason to be optimistic about the future.

PHOTOS

2012316-queens-quay-1910-f1244_it0236a.jpgQueen's Quay near, 1910

2012316-queens-quay-west-1927-s0071_it4926.jpgLooking west from Bay Street, 1927

2012316-queens-quay-south-york-1927-s0071_it4929.jpgLooking south near York Street, 1927

2012316-queens-quay-york-nw-1927-s0071_it4947.jpgLooking northwest from York Street, 1927

2012316-queens-quay-west-bay-1927-s0071_it4978.jpgLooking west from Bay Street, 1927

2012316-queens-quay-york-aerial-1930-f1244_it0919.jpgQueen's Quay and York Street, 1930

2012316-qq-taxis-ferry-docks-1931-s0071_it8667.jpgTaxis at the ferry docks, 1931

2012316-royal-trust-1960s-s1465_fl0371_it0029.jpgRoyal Trust Building, 1960s

2012316-qq-east-bonnycastle-1960s-f1257_s1057_it5657.jpgLooking east at Bonnycastle, 1960s

2012316-qq-west-bonnycastle-1960s-f1257_s1057_it5658.jpgLooking west at Bonnycastle

2012316-queens-quay-1970s-s1465_fl0364_it0006.jpgQueen's Quay, 1970s

2012316-canada-malting-s1465_fl0264_it0011.jpgCanada Malting, 1970s

2011225-pier6-c-f0124_fl0003_id0014.jpgPier 6 (now demolished), mid 1970s

2012316-redpath-1970s-s1465_fl0287_it0006.jpgRedpath Sugar, 1970s

2012316-queens-quay-aerial-1970s-s1465_fl0366_it0004.jpgAerial view, 1970s

2012316-captain-johns-80ss1465_fl0016_id0005.jpgCaptain Johns, 1980s

2012316-york-quay-aerial-parking-80s-s1465_fl0371_it0009.jpgAerial view York Quay, 1980s

2011727-hc-waterfront-1980s-s1465_fl0059_id0005.jpgAerial view, early 1980s (future site of ACC at bottom left)

2012316-york-quay-80s-aerail-skyline-s1465_fl0371_it0004.jpgQueen's Quay and skyline, 1980s

2011627-ferry-wiley-80s-close-f0124_fl0006_id0050.jpgQueen's Quay skyline, 1980s

2012316-qq-2007-east.jpgPhoto by ettml

2012316-qq.jpgPhoto by Richard Braeken

Discussion

35 Comments

bigtop / March 16, 2012 at 04:55 pm
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Lookit how growed up we are!
Yoyo / March 16, 2012 at 05:06 pm
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I'll take the condos over that ugly landscape that preceded them.
Ed / March 16, 2012 at 05:10 pm
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Not the most southerly street, unless you mean between Bathurst and Parliament? Not only are there streets further south in the portlands such as Unwin Avenue, southern Etobicoke has swathes of streets that are south of anything on Toronto Island.
Todd Toronto replying to a comment from Yoyo / March 16, 2012 at 05:49 pm
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I guess the point some condo critics have isn't that it was better before all the development, but that with more thought, it could have been much better.

But I suppose when your baseline is the Huang & Danczkay buildings, even the condos built since aren't that bad.
iSkyscraper / March 16, 2012 at 06:49 pm
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Great piece!

And yes, the condo boom saved this city, and that includes the waterfront. As these images clearly show, anyone who says otherwise has no idea what they are talking about.
Dave / March 16, 2012 at 08:09 pm
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I love how the guy who says the condo boom saved the city has "Skyscraper" as his username. Gee, I wonder how he was going to respond to this? Duh. I bet you also think Liberty Village is better now that they're filling every available piece of land in the neighbourhood with a condo building. The cool vibe that neighbourhood has (and I lived there) has now been lost. Keep building those condos eh Skyscraper?!
Grant / March 16, 2012 at 09:07 pm
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I'm aways amazed at the huge number of surface parking spaces downtown in these photographs from the 70's and 80's.
Adam Sobolak / March 16, 2012 at 09:54 pm
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The "Pier No. 6" photo would be 1973ish (the giveaway: the 3rd TD Centre tower UC--and of course, no First Canadian Place, no Royal Bank Plaza, et al)

And that "Aerial View 1970s" with the corner of the Island Airport visible: is that the Maple Leaf Mills being demolished there? If so, it's 1983/84-ish...
Joebyer replying to a comment from Dave / March 16, 2012 at 09:55 pm
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And anti-condo sentiments can be construed as NIMBYism, "yer blockin' my view". Lots of well-versed urban planners are pointing to high-density condo living being the way of the sustainable future.

Great pics - keep up the good work, BlogTO, with these archive photos. The articles as always are presented without any slant, just "this is how it was, now this is how it is..."
Antony / March 16, 2012 at 09:56 pm
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Captain Johns floats on, 30 years later... how?
Chris / March 16, 2012 at 10:18 pm
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Before they built the condos in front of it, that parking garage was an amazing place to watch the fireworks from without a huge crowd.
Dre / March 16, 2012 at 11:53 pm
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAH!!!!! TAP THE BOTTLE AND TWIST The CAP!!! TAP THE BOTTLE AND TWIST THE CAP!!!!
Todd / March 16, 2012 at 11:55 pm
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I Used to drink out at Cherry Beach.

Just ride the bike out there, or walk out there, bring a bottle, adventure, drink, sleep, fresh air, pass out. Red Red Wine!!! OR RUM!!!!
Todd / March 16, 2012 at 11:58 pm
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i remember this one time I was riding my bike down the path back from the beaches and I could hardly see. I don't know how I made it to the Black Bull patio But I did...
Todd replying to a comment from Todd / March 17, 2012 at 12:00 am
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I rode out to the Beaches, drank two mickey's of rum on the road and rode back...
Adam Sobolak / March 17, 2012 at 12:07 am
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It's worth noting that the "Trust Royal Trust" sign was a clever early instance of bilingual advertising: it read separately as "Trust Royal" and "Royal Trust", together with the appropriately reassuring composite message...
mike / March 17, 2012 at 12:10 am
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This is why we need to do a way better job on the Portlands site.
Jordan / March 17, 2012 at 12:35 am
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All queen's quay needs now is some good landscaping - a bunch of giant trees would make a world of difference. Once you have trees - you really don't notice what's above your head.
Tanya / March 17, 2012 at 12:48 am
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Develop that shyte!!! I wanna see a walking outdoor mall. Waterfront restaurant patios, looking out onto the water.
Tom / March 17, 2012 at 12:49 am
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We should dye Lake Ontario green for St. Paddy's!!!!
Torontonian / March 17, 2012 at 07:20 am
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I was an office boy for Canada Steamship Lines at the foot of Bay Street and the building would be where the Harbour Castle Hotel now is. I can remember the rumble of train cars along the track on Queen's Quay as sets of freight cars were being shunted to the different piers or the different mills.

Even in the 1970s, I remember going to the Harbourfront comedy cabaret on Sunday nights and walking past boxcars parked on Queen's Quay. I had hoped that the waterfront would have been made into a greater park area without all the buildings that now dominate the landscape.

We lost our view of the water several decades ago just like how Londoners lost their classic and grand view of St. Paul's from the water.

No justice in this world, is there.
exaro / March 17, 2012 at 09:23 am
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The building identified as Royal Trust Building is the Terminal Warehouse, before renovation as a shopping mall and condo. The RT sign would have just good billboard placement. The Terminal Warehouse, I understand, was a leading-edge refrigerated warehouse, exceptionally strong and designed in a grid or modular fashion so it was readily re-purposed. The renovation project ran over time and over budget as contractors found the 2-3' thick concrete floors a bigger challenge to remove to create the atrium than originally thought.
hellebelle / March 17, 2012 at 10:51 am
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i prefer the pre-condo landscape. it's much less cluttered and has so much more personality.
Eric / March 17, 2012 at 08:23 pm
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It's amazing how much the scene has changed. I guess some people like the pre condo construction phase and others like the present city layout. Thanks for sharing the pictures.
Doug / March 18, 2012 at 06:34 am
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Needs a ferris wheel.
namehijacked / March 18, 2012 at 10:16 am
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Great pics. It's always sobering to walk down memory lane. I have photos of the top of First Canadian Place unfinished at the roof top in 1975, so seeing the pics of the FCP 'stub' is amazing.
[deep breath]
@Joebyer - Are you trying to be clever with 'JoeBuyer,' or is it that you can't spell? Perhaps you are too young to remember, or are one of the many transplants from Canyon Hell that still think Toronto is a version of Paradise, but there was a time, during the Crombie/Sewell years, I believe, where the RyHi grads were telling us that tall was bad. They saddled us with 20 years of ugly, non-descript stucco/concrete slabs, 8-10 storeys, built right to the curb. St. Lawrence Market and other ugly areas come to mind.
I love tall buildings as much as the next guy, but the way this city is slapping them up these days, nobody has any clue where this is all leading. (Four 50 storey towers slated for a 2 block stretch between Granville and Breadalbane, on Yonge? Seriously?)
@ Yoyo - so you like those tall, green glass towers, built right to the curb? Yeah, Toronto is probably better off without those couple thousand or so high-paying warehouse and factory jobs that this landfill was built for. I get that cities change, but the fall of Canada from the industrial power it once was (and by extension, Toronto), and the rise of Wal-Mart and Starbucks is hardly worth rejoicing. Toronto had Sunnyside and the Beaches.
Every strip of waterfront did not and does not have to be dedicated to 'public access.' As a former dog owner, I spent quite a bit of time along the waterfront in the 'other' 9 months, and with the exception of a tiny strip of Queen's Quay and only on the weekends, the waterfront is pretty desolate most of the year.
@ iSkyscraper - [shakes head] Where do I start with you? Toronto was 'saved by the condo boom?' So, 30-50 storey towers, built right to the curb, with no regard for infrastructure or their impact on the local neighborhood is good for the city? Russian and Chinese money, being used to employ imported Eastern European labor to build homes for Asian transplants to buy, is good for the city? Really? Barring for the fact that you are most likely one of those realtors that benefits from the ongoing Ponzi scheme that Toronto (and Vancouver) have become, just where do you see any benefit for the locals? The city is not plowing the windfall revenues into infrastructure. Our roads, sewers and electrical network have not kept up.
Just one seemingly small change to the city - upgrading the streetcar stops on Bathurst at King, is having a greater impact. Very quietly, a lane on Bathurst in either direction has been lost. Okay, doesn't seem so bad. Except that 50,000 people are in the process of moving into the area. Strachan was deliberately (and criminally, IMO) narrowed to a single lane in each direction just as Liberty Village rose.
Now, the Portlands, Regent Park and Corktown are succumbing to condo hell, and already I am seeing the tensions with the interminable dust, lane closures, streetcar slow downs, etc. weighing on the local residents. Developers are quietly having commercial space rezoned for anything but commercial because there is no business case for many of these areas.
To the Condos and Bicycle Lanes Forever gallery, what is the End Game here? Where will this city be in 30 years when another million people have moved south of Steeles and we are still (as the photos above indicate) saddles with 1920s infrastructure?
The Portlands and Liberty Village are going to be very interesting case studies on epic failure. I lived at Jefferson/King 30 years ago, having moved from St. Jamestown, to Crombie Park and then west. I have lived the Ry-hi grads eternal promises, but all I see is a city in serious decline.
momo / March 19, 2012 at 11:08 am
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One note on spelling:
The neighbourhood and the street are spelled Queens Quay.
The terminal building is the Queen's Quay Terminal, which is the only version on the name that uses the apostrophe.
Thanks!
mike / March 19, 2012 at 12:09 pm
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what was the point of filling in the whole area they did? it looks like one person made a huge expensive decision, but it was only used as parking lots and wasteland until the 1980s/90s. how curious.
The Other Neil / March 19, 2012 at 12:12 pm
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Very cool post about my home! I definitely prefer the condos over the industrial wasteland.
the lemur replying to a comment from namehijacked / March 19, 2012 at 12:32 pm
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'Just one seemingly small change to the city - upgrading the streetcar stops on Bathurst at King, is having a greater impact. Very quietly, a lane on Bathurst in either direction has been lost'

Again with your ridiculous handwringing alarmist bullshit. The north side of the intersection used to have a VERY WIDE curb lane for through traffic and right-turning traffic. It still has a lane for that, and the south side now has a wide combined right/through lane. Plus more people waiting for the streetcar can be on the island instead of stepping into the street from the curb AND traffic through that intersection is way below the level needed for that situation to cause problems.
GRBY / March 19, 2012 at 01:19 pm
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The condo boom is both good and bad... with the case of the waterfront I feel it is more good. It was a manufacturing wasteland in the past. The condo's bring in people with money. If all those condo's were never developed there would probably be no money being invested into the waterfront revitalization. Aesthetically the condo's look better than smoke stacked warehouses. Although Toronto's condo's do not always represent the finest levels of design aesthetic, many of them look pretty decent.... When you take the ferry back from the island the skyline looks a hell of a lot better than it did in the 80's.
John / March 19, 2012 at 03:29 pm
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condos are like anything else, best in moderation. The area looked pretty ugly as a fully industrial zone, but the parts that survived (QQT, Roundhouse, etc.) support a good deal of activity, while the newer condos have a lot of trouble attracting retail tenants.

Main point: stop building neighbourhoods out of entirely condos, or entirely houses, or entirely apartment blocks, or entirely office towers, or entirely warehouses, etc.
j quarter / March 19, 2012 at 11:22 pm
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My greatest concern about many, not all, of these high glass towers is their sustainability. Yes they let in lots of light
and sometimes give a great view. But they are hot in the summer, requiring high air conditioning costs. They are cool in the winter requiring high heating cost. And some of them have windows that will not last more than 10 years and up. If not properly sealed they emit a lot of draft, sometimes moisture, and they could pop right out of their casing. We may have a disaster waiting to happen similar to the leaking condos that were so costly to repair in Vancouver some years back. Who will pay for the cleanup if this happens as some experts have predicted?
Suicide_Boi / March 19, 2012 at 11:44 pm
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A meteorite could land on that neighbourhood, destroying everything and everyone, and nothing of consequence would be lost.
me2 / June 8, 2012 at 01:01 pm
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Great photos. Thanks for sharing these. As someone who lives in the area, I'm always interested in the heritage of it.

I read through the comments here... wow, such haters. To the haters I say: if you despise this city so much, why bother living here? We don't need you.

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