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A Toronto Cyclist's Top 10 Complaints
Toronto cyclists have much to complain about and generally aren't shy about airing their discontent. Whether it be the scarcity of bike lanes, the abundance of potholes or simply the fact that our climate makes year-round riding nearly impossible, I think it's only fair to provide a little two-wheeled perspective on the heels of Toronto traffic safety officer Tim Burrow's recently compiled Top 10 list of motorist complaints.
# 10 - The close pass
Having seen a friend's elbow shattered by a van "passing" altogether too closely, it gives me the jitters whenever vehicles don't afford myself and other cyclists adequate space. Granted this isn't always their fault -- roads are, after all, only so wide -- but it's still a common threat cyclists face. I'm not asking for the insanely wide berth some drivers give, but it's a little scary when a passing car brushes me with its wind trail.
# 9 - Lack of bike lanes
Directly related to #10, the lack of bike lanes on major streets throughout the city is an obvious pet peeve that many cyclists share. But it's not just an issue for cyclists; the scarcity of bike lanes is also a pain for drivers who are forced to share the road with those on two wheels. I know it's not so easy as just snapping one's fingers and putting them in, but it's obvious that we need a more comprehensive vision for encouraging the safe use of bicycles in this city.
# 8 - Cars parked in bike lanes
Boneheaded moves like this are getting a little more attention after the Toronto Sun spotted a cop car parked in the bike lane on Annette St. for 20 minutes the other day. The officer's gotten a bunch of flak for his parking job, but the reality is that this happens all the time. Normally it's not a huge deal, but when another vehicle and a cyclist inevitably try to pass the improperly parked car at the same time, the situation can get pretty tricky.
# 7 - Potholes
Most common during spring, potholes rank pretty high up on the list of hazards that face Toronto cyclists and are particularly dangerous for those who whip around town on superlight road bikes like me. Ever flown over the handlebars and wrecked your nice STI shifters because you weren't paying quite close enough attention? I have. And while I accept blame for not noticing the hazard, it still pisses me off that the hole was there, perfectly placed by the curb, in the first place.
# 6 - Winter
Ok, this might be pushing it. But, whenever I talk to friends who live in warmer climates, I bemoan the fact that the riding season is really only seven or eight months 'round these parts. Although the sight of die hard commuters braving snowstorms is pretty common, I'm too much of a wuss to try this. Instead I find myself relying on a car for my transportation needs and an indoor trainer for my "rides," during which I have to damage my ears with blaring music in the hopes that I might distract myself from the pain welling up in my backside.
# 5 - Other cyclists
I might not make any friends with this complaint, but when you ride relatively fast on city streets, other cyclists become a significant and often dangerous obstacle. I often wonder how it's possible to ride at less than 15kph, but somehow loads of commuters manage it. Over and above these slowpokes, also annoying are those riding brake-less fixies, couriers who disregard every rule of the road, and other egomaniac roadies like me.
# 4 - Car doors
In my years of riding, I've seen at least ten people felled by oblivious drivers opening their doors at the exact moment that a cyclist is passing. Always a nasty sight, most roads with on-street parking present a catch-22 scenario: if you want to avoid being suddenly greeted by a car door, it's necessary to drift over into the traffic lane, but this puts you at increased risk of being hit by a moving vehicle, not to mention the wrath of passing motorists.
# 3 - Streetcar tracks
This complaint is a bit like your standard NIMBY argument. As great as streetcars are for moving people around the city, when I'm on my bike, their tracks make for some pretty poor riding conditions. A scary but common scenario involves riding along a streetcar route and the sudden encounter of my #4 complaint, the dreaded car door. Where do you go? If you swerve too hastily, you might find yourself caught in the tracks (and shortly on the deck). Those who know how to bunny hop are served well in this situation.
# 2 - Oblivious pedestrians
I can't count the number of near-misses I've had with pedestrians. Lost in thought or their iPod, the propensity to wander off the sidewalk into bike lanes (or at least the edge of the road) is flabbergasting. I know bikes and their riders don't make much noise, but we're still pretty visible, aren't we?
# 1 - Sudden right turns (without signaling)
My number one pet peeve and the most dangerous thing that I regularly encounter is the last second cut off. If you're lucky you can come to a stop before crashing into the side of the car. If not, get ready for some pain. While it's crucial to be a defensive rider, the average motorist's disregard for the presence of cyclists is, in a word, shocking.
Honourable mentions: jerks who bypass the line of cyclists at red lights, slow e-bikes that need to be passed (but that can be nice to draft!), riding north from downtown (it's all uphill), and the constant threat of bike theft.
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Complaining about streetcar tracks? Slow bike riders? Seriously? I've always thought cyclists in Toronto have insane entitlement issues, and this article doesn't prove me wrong.
Thought so.
It isn't entitlement, our bikes are our cars.
Just like you expect cars to respect you because you're smaller and more vulnerable, you should have the same attitude to pedestrians. It's your job to avoid us, not our job to keep a careful watch for a bike running a red or driving on a sidewalk.
If streetcar tracks are that much of a pain, don't ride on streetcar routes, or ride slower. Then you increase your chances of stopping before hitting a door
And if the author's as avid a cyclist as he seems, winter riding should be a breeze if you dress properly. I'm giving it a shot for the first time this year.
I don't mean to be overly critical. Just wanted to put a couple of the complaints into a bit of perspective. The road can't be reserved solely for speedy cyclists and there are plenty of streets in the city that don't have streetcar tracks.
A lot of these complaints seem to have a lot to do with a style of cycling that is clearly too quick to take in one's surroundings and react appropriately. God knows how many times I've had near-misses with cyclists barreling along not looking around themselves, OR simply going too fast to be able to course correct in time. Cyclists are some of the most maneuverable vehicles on the road - they are also the most vulnerable and they should ride accordingly.
While we know we can't change many of these (streetcar tracks, winter), they definitely do provide the obstacle to the cyclist.
Good list!
I've been known to take the bus one stop in order to avoid the chance being plowed down by a cyclist on the sidewalk. And the number of motorists who stop in the middle of the crosswalk for a light is staggering. As for other pedestrians, stay to the right!
But I think that most of the complaints on these lists could be easily handled if everyone would just wake up and pay attention to their surroundings.
If this continues, when electric cars come out pedestrians are going to get mowed down like crazy. People have gone from looking both ways to just listening, and with no engines drivers of electric cars are going to have the same problem as bikes I imagine.
So people please, remember kindergarten: look both ways, even if you don't hear anything.
It *freaks me out* watching some cyclists blissfully change lanes without checking their blind spot.
4. Wear a helmet.
If you bust your head on the pavement should my tax dollars be paying for your hospital stay? Wear a helmet. Same as wearing a seat belt. It's just something you should do.
3. You are not a pedestrian.
Walk your bike through a cross walk. If you don't, you are not a pedestrian, you are a moving vehicle.
2. Follow the rules of the road.
You want to be treated like a vehicle on the road, you still have to follow the rules. Stop at stop signs. SIGNAL your turns. Straight arm for a left, Bent are for a right. It ain't that hard.
1. Ninjas in the dark.
If you want to ride your bike at night, that's great. Wear something other than black. Get a light for the front and back of your bike (reflectors don't always work). It gets dark super early in the winter. People are flying around like stealth bombers out there, and are going to cause accidents and get hurt.
7: boo hoo
6: boo hoo
5: boo hoo
3: boo hoo
2: boo hoo
boo hoo.
Surprised #1 wasnt "Former Attorney Generals".
I am this close to a policy of always, always confronting cyclists who ride through pedestrian crossings -- especially busy ones. Dickish and dangerous.
My complaint: cyclists who ride on the sidewalk. They give us all a bad name, and it's actually way more dangerous than riding on the road!
Still...crosswalks are pedestrian territory, and bicycles should behave as if this is so.
This makes no sense -- how can an e-bike going so slow that you need to pass it be worth drafting?
Ummm...yes, it is always their fault. If a motorist can't pass safely, they are required to stay back until there's enough room.
Will you smile a little when it's you/your mom/your son? I doubt it...
Utility companies cutting the concrete exactly where bikes ride for block after block and doing a horrible job patching it.
Outrageous prices prices in Canada <a href="http://ibiketo.ca/blog/2009/11/04/mecs-new-bike-line-happy-customers-angry-bike-shops#comment-10971">(Blame the distributors)</a>.
E.g. $500, $550 for a Sram Dual Drive at Urbane, SweetPetes (respectively) while in the US
<a href="http://www.niagaracycle.com/product_info.php?products_id=414679" rel="nofollow">$273</a>,
<a href="http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/HU407C05-Sram+Dual+Drive+Hub+06.aspx" rel="nofollow">$302</a>
while in the UK <a href="http://www.langsettcycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b79s259p3965&tbv=SRAM_Dual_Drive_Hub_(Hub_Only)_ACCESSORIES_Gears_-_Hub_Gears" rel="nofollow">$314</a> (All prices in CAD). On a percentage basis 83% more in urbane than across the border (Niagara Falls NY).
Last time I checked Cervelos are cheaper in Chicago than Toronto, even though they're made here.
Douchebag drivers
Douchebag cyclists
Douchebag pedestrians
It's everybody's city. They're everybody's roads.
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Ugh on November 25, 2009 at 12:47 PM
Oh great, lets give cyclists another avenue to complain.
Surprised #1 wasnt "Former Attorney Generals".
Was this story posted for letting people air their grievances or a discussion starter.
Let the comment wars begin!
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I often bike along College west of Bathurst, and find pedestrians to be my major hazard. Cyclists tend to stick to the small portion of the lane used for parking, and often pedestrians will step out into it without paying attention. If you're going to cross the street somewhere other than a crosswalk, at least make sure you're being respectful of fellow road users.
Cyclists on the sidewalk give us all a bad name. A bike is a vehicle – if you're too afraid to use it on the road, then walk.
A helmet is better than nothing, but in most encounters with a car, it won't save you. The injuries you receive from auto accidents tend to be of the broken body type, and most helmets don't extend far enough down the temples to be of any major help in a serious accident. Calling for more helmet use isn't really solving anything – it's a bandaid on a much larger problem.
99.99% of cyclists along College ignore the eastbound and westbound red light at Borden, the westbound light at Augusta and the westbound red light by Kalendar.
I'm not sure that those two options are mutually exclusive -- nor do I agree that there's no possibility of ever making any headway in solving the problems outlined above. I'm a cyclist and a driver, and I see both do idiotic things all the time (including myself once in a while), so I don't think this reads as a completely one-sided rant beckoning others to join in the hate-fest. Sure these are complaints, but sometimes (and where appropriate) complaining can usher in the force of change.
To make peace.
However, I'd like to add that 99.9% of car drivers don't stop at 100% of stop signs. And as a pedestrian, the instances where a reckless cyclist has endangered me are almost nil, whereas I have to watch my ass every day when crossing (on the lights) because people in cars value their own personal time more than human life.
I work near Queen and Spadina and EVERY day I see some car making the right to go north on Spadina when the light goes green and ignoring the 25 people crossing in a large group. 1 person in a car feels that their time and their life is more important than that of 25 other people. That's what happens to your math when you get behind the wheel.
And pedestrians seem to keep getting more and more inattentive. The closest I've ever come to hitting anyone on my bike was when a man - leading his three kids - darted out in front of me on Broadview.
You're a vehicle too and have to abide by the same rules as cars.
Thanks.
also they should also have to obey the rules of the road if they wand motorists to obey the rules as well.
Does that mean we DON'T have to follow the rules of the road when we see drivers ignore them, too?
Perhaps I should start a new accounting system: Whenever I see a driver break a rule, I'll entitle myself to break one, too.
As soon as I heard the bell I started yelling at him, because I've had that happen to me before with a female cyclist at Queen & Dufferin....streetcar came to a stop I stepped onto Queen street and she started ringing her bell with no intention of stopping.
I understand there are idiots who drive, walk and ride their bike, but if you do ride a bike, you have to stop just like a car when the streetcar stops.
His response was great...."I don't have to stop until the doors open". Haven't heard that one before, probably because its incorrect.
I work as an assistant, albeit it a very low level one, for a prominent city councillor here at City Hall. For the past 6-10 months or so now, as cyclist/driver debates have become increasingly more frequent and with the city falling more and more in debt, there has been quite a few hush-hush meetings in regards to figuring out a way to tax cyclists. Nothing has been decided on or even close to coming to furition. But the idea is out here at City Hall and it sure sounds like it is gaining steam.
Please dont shoot the messenger...but i thought it was time to say something after reading the posts yesterday and today.
My response, if I'm quick enough, is to shoot out an elbow and knock the cyclist off balance. They tend to get the message then.
You know what that means? Love cyclists or hate cyclists... everyone is talking about biking in toronto... and that's great for biking in toronto. :)
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Happy?
My biggest complaint is the oblivious people who are so far into their own world they are IN THE WAY. MOVE.
To all the cyclists reading this; wear a helmet, don't bike on the sidewalks, stop at red lights and stop signs. You can't bike on the road and then pick and choose which road laws you want to follow.
To the drivers; all we want is to get where we're going without dying. If you hit us, your car will be dented, and we'll be seriously injured or killed. We're aware of that fact constantly, and it would be nice if you were too.
Not enough cyclists!
We have thousands upon thousands who do bike. Let's get that up to a million.
BUT
You still need to slow down. You don't have to stop if there's tooooons of room for you to comfortably cycle by; just slow down in case I drop something, need to pick it up, just suddenly fall down, whatever, so you don't bike over my head.
Of course, if there's a big crowd of people, you have to stop -- don't just barrel through and make us scatter.
taxis taxis taxis! cruising for parking spots! looking for fares instead of watching the road! pulling u-turns! letting passengers off at improper spots! once you've gotten doored by someone getting out in the left lane, you'll understand.
the city should be restricting the number of licenses they grant and forcing people without vehicles to take public transit!
As for your "insurance begets complaining rights" argument... I guess you only complain about things you have insurance for? So... just your car, your house, and your life?
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If we can fit more people onto our roads, that means more economic activity for businesses too.
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Neither myself, my mom, nor my son are idiots, so that would never be the case. Accidentally getting hit by a car is one thing, but getting hit by a car because you ignore traffic signals is another thing. Another, much funnier thing.
Did you know:
Customers who enter the roadway before the streetcar has stopped and opened its doors can be fined $28.00
So John feel free to yell at cyclists who ride by the stopped streetcar w/open doors, but wait on the curb until the doors open and let all the traffic pass, cars & bikes.
http://www3.ttc.ca/Riding_the_TTC/Safety_and_Security/Streetcar_Watch.jsp
The City's official plan actually says they want to encourage active transportation like cycling. A tax would be contrary to the official plan.
Tell your councillor to drop the bike tax idea and pressure the police to enforce the law. Hey, they could even do what Joe Mihevic does and start group rides from a point in the ward to downtown.
At the same time, I pass through a lot of four-way stops on my way to work in the mornings, and I'd say at least once a day I see a cyclist disregard these stop signs entirely. Doesn't really seem smart to me, and I'd also call it a pretty selfish move as well.
My point? Citizens arrests and lots of 'em! Boo yah!
- Cyclists are actually subsidizing our city streets for drivers [1]
- It's unhelpful to suggest that cyclists are riding too slow - we all need to slow down a little (drivers, cyclists and pedestrians). Everything would be a bit more civil if we weren't in such a hurry - go to Copenhagen to see how relaxed people are on their bikes.
- Cycling in Toronto is comfortable for 9-10 months of of the year
and anyone who says the weather only allows cycling 6 months of the year is probably living in Thunder Bay or Nunavut.
- Anyone who thinks helmets should be mandatory for cyclists in the city should also support pedestrian helmets and driving helmets.
- Bicycle helmets haven't been scientifically proven to save lives, so comparing it to a seatbelt is like comparing apples to oranges.
- People who complain about cyclists not coming to a complete stop at 4-way stops.. have you ever seen a car come to a "complete" stop at a 4-way stop when there are no other cars there??
- People who suggest that cyclists have no rights because some of them don't obey the rules need to get their head of their ass. I've never heard someone say that drivers have no rights because some of them disobey the law - it's a ridiculous statement.
- Cycling insurance/tax/licensing is a ludicrous idea. Cyclists already pay taxes and rogue cyclists are only putting their own lives on the line - unlike automobiles who have a greater responsibility because of the damage they can cause to the more vulnerable users of the road.
- The police do give out tickets to cyclists
- If I'm not mistaken by law drivers must pass cyclists with at least 1 meter of space
[1] http://www.theurbancountry.com/2009/10/cyclists-paving-way-for-ungrateful.html
1. Not safe: Bikes do not offer any of the protections required in cars by LAW! i.e. steel cage, airbags, etc. If cars need them for safety by LAW, then how can it possibly be legal for cyclists to go without them.
2. Bikes can't keep up with traffic. <40kmh cars are illegal for a reason: they hold up traffic and are unsafe for all involved. It seems that bikes are even worse. How can cyclists be allowed to pass cars IN THE SAME LANE?! Anyone who believes this is legal or safe is an idi*t.
3. Cyclists do not pay gas taxes to maintain roads, do not pay insurance (have no liability for anything) and waste our health care money when they inevitably get hit!!
"replying to a comment by" is completely useless.
Number the comments and make it "replying to comment # X by blabla".
Or at the very least if the comments are numbered we can put "Hey comment #7 you crazy."
You guys must be happy with the increased traffic and participation on the site over the past few weeks now make the site work better.
That topic is tommorow.
I have dodged the spit too.
In my experience with cyclists, the ones that DO NOT wear anything relflective or have any reflective or illumination on their bodies or bikes and cycle AT NIGHT create this problem (of invisibility) themselves. Just like defensive driving - you should be defensive cycling. Think about visibility, not cover-of-night, please. Mirror and blind spot checks aren't going to catch you if you're ALL BLACK at night.
Cycling has a benefit to our society because it is healthy, it reduces obesity, reduces carbon emissions. The benefits it has on our health care far exceeds the cost of the rare instances where a cyclist is hit.
James / www.theurbancountry.com
James: There are tons of ways to stay healthy (why must cycling to work be the only one?), and you can cut emissions by taking transit.
I have no problem with cycling per se - and I would probably cycle to work provided there was a bike path isolated from the road on every major street in Toronto. I just think that having cars and cyclists on the same road (and in the same lane!) is a complete joke! And I can't see why something that is so blatantly dangerous is permitted by the law, except to save the city some road-expansion dough.
Besides this stuff, I don't have any solid facts about the health care cost of cyclists - except that anecdotally, 11 out of 14 people I know who cycle have had some sort of serious injury caused by a collision with a motorist.
Watch this video - it's a good example of how cars and cyclists can get along on the same streets: http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2009/11/den-bosch-at-high-speed.html
It's our attitudes that need to change...
It's always struck me as odd for Toronto, considering the number of cyclists drops significantly for half the year. You all are well organized and very vocal.
Here's another good video of Copenhagen during rush hour - lots of cars, but WAY MORE bicycles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYajXN4pPHI
If we maintain the attitude that bikes can't co-exist with cars, we'll never get there and we'll drive ourselves to death.
I would disagree about people only cycling half the year. It's almost December and there are still a lot of us out there every day cycling.
Cyclists also have their own lights, and cyclists always have the right of way over the automobiles. The cycle lights are actually timed to keep the bicycle traffic flowing.
But all of that didn't happen overnight. It took a lot of political will and investment by the Copenhagen government.
It can happen here too...
Drivers turning right without signalling
Drivers turning left who don't see bicycles
Drivers opening doors without looking for cyclists
Pedestrians who carefully look both ways and step out in front of me
And I'm embarrased by cyclists who:
Ride on sidewalks
Ride the wrong way on a one way street or on the wrong side of the road
Cycle through cross walks
Don't stop for streetcars
There's a T intersection at Wellesley and Ontario with a red light. It is often busy with kids going to Winchester School. The solution for some cyclists is not to stop at the red light, but to go up onto the sidewalk at one side of the intersection and back onto the street on the other side. I don't understand.
Are you high? That's like saying that bad drivers are only putting their own lives on the line so they shouldn't have to pay for insurance if they do not want. What about the cyclists who hit pedestrians for riding on the sidewalk? I can think of two case where a cyclist has killed a pedestrian in the last year alone. Who is to compensate those families or the medical bills of someone who has had their leg broken when hit byt a cyclist? A drivers insurance is less about insuring themselves than the other people involved. Yes, a car can cause more damage. No shit. What recourse does everyone else have when a cyclist does the damage?
Maybe pedestrians should be insured and taxed too. They get their own roadways (sidewalks) all over the city. What right do they have to walk on a sidewalk without paying taxes and insurance?
Mothers with strollers should pay extra taxes, because they take up more space and they are a menace to everybody.
What about roller bladers? Why do they get a free skate? Why not create a new department in our government to license roller bladers. License plates, stickers, insurance, the whole bit.
Skateboarders should have a minimum of $1 million in liability insurance.
I don't think asking people to look both ways is that bad of a request. I try to be a responsible cyclist, I don't ride on the sidewalk, stop for lights and streetcars. I know there's a lot of idiots out there, but all I'm asking you is to not walk in front of me without looking when I'm half a foot away from you.
Then again, a cyclist in front of me was riding with no hands (so dangerous), with his jacket sleeves over his hands, no helmet, no light (it was about 9pm), if he had to stop suddenly, it'd be quite a struggle to get his hands free and onto the brakes. So there definitely are some stupid cyclists out there.
For those of you suggesting cyclists buy a car already, I can only hope that you are joking and that I'm not understanding it. I bicycle everyday because it's good exercise, I save $100 a month not using ttc, takes 25 mins to get to school vs 1 hr of walking and it's much more peaceful then getting onto a crowded streetcar.
Your line of reasoning, if I understand it, is "Helmets will not protect you from every injury" so "There is no point in wearing a helmet." That doesn't follow.
Really now?? You're idiots.
That is all.
I agree with you 100%. I try to be as conscientious as possible as a pedestrian, especially to cyclists.
So?
Have a nice day...respect others!
We can joke and argue about how cyclists are jerks, or drivers are jerks - whatever. Fact is, practicing a willful lack of respect for human life on the street can result in something so much more serious than most of us are prepared for.
I remember a couple of summers ago the police did a "bike blitz," handing out tickets to naughty cyclists in heavy bike traffic areas of the city. (ie. Queen West, College St.) It definitely forced a friend of mine to rethink his shoddy biking habits after being handed a $200 ticket for blowing a red light. Unfortunately, a week later the "blitz" was over, along with any positive long-term effects.
We need this approach year-round. Get the cops out at random, not just on the main drags but in the neighbourhoods, where it's like a cyclist's wild west. You blow a red light, you ride on the sidewalk (and you're not a 7 year-old), you ride the wrong way on a one-way... boom, ticket. Then watch as bad cycling becomes a thing of the past and the rah-rah car crowd has nothing to bitch about except being stuck in traffic while bikes cruise by.
By the way, the whole enforcement argument goes double for these tards still talking on their cells while driving. They're thumbing their noses at the law and they know it.
Cyclists, remember that when you ride, you represent everyone who bikes. Respect the rules and don't give the haters any more ammo; they've got enough misplaced anger already.
1. people who don't keep right.
2. people who walk two or three abreast, taking up the whole sidewalk.
3. people who stop suddenly.
4. cyclists on the sidewalk.
5. skateboarders on the sidewalk.
6. drivers who want to make a right turn on a red light and forget that they have to stop first and check for folk crossing the road.
7. joggers who think they own the sidewalk and smash into you.
9. mommies with SUV strollers who think they own the sidewalk and smash into you.
10. drivers on cellphones.
also, cyclists who come to a stop to tie their shoes or chat with a friend or adjust their ipod or whatever, and don't get off the road to do it. argh
and especially, joggers who think they are too fast for the sidewalk and flail around in the bike lane
As they say: when you're driving, every cyclist/pedestrian can be an inconvenience. when you're cycling or walking, every driver can kill you.
Our property taxes pay for road maintenance in the city, not gas taxes.
Download the breakdown. http://www.toronto.ca/taxes/property_tax/index.htm
5.33% goes to Transportation Services http://www.toronto.ca/transportation/ which includes among other things road maintenance.
I love how misinformed so many of you are.
They're more likely to stop in front of you without indicating, pull a u-turn in front of you without any prior warning or stop in the designated bike lane to pick up or drop off a fare. And cabs are also more inclined to give you the door prize too, mostly due to where they choose to stop.
Taxi cab drivers should have to complete a cyclist safety course in order to get their license. A lot of it is common sense, but it's sorely lacking in this city.
Up yours and the "onus" on drivers BS.
You are the exact reason cyclists are so despised in this City.
Heads up today, cars are looking for you specifically.
I have a friend who got hit by a car as she was jaywalking across Bloor Street a few years ago. She ended up getting the ticket because what she was doing was illegal. It's terrible that she got hurt, but it was caused by her lack of awareness and care for her own safety as a pedestrian.
Oh, and heads up. That Kryptonite™ lock in my back pocket can do more than lock up my bike. Test me.
It would also be nice to see a more civil discussion of cycling / traffic issues in Toronto ... a seemingly impossible task in any comments section on BlogTO, Torontoist, or any of the newspaper sites.
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Phil must be a Queen Wester, if he thinks biking has anything to do with being "more stylish".
Atleast other bikers on here have some competent arguments.
Wrap your oversized scarf a little tighter on your way home this afternoon and tuck your skinny jeans into you Chuck Taylors.
You'll end up like Eric Idle in European Vacation sooner or later.
Faster. Cleaner. Cheaper, and way way sexier. Chuck Taylors and all.
But as a cyclist myself Phil, you're actually kind of embarrasing to us as a group. You want to be taken seriously, then stop spouting off like a raging douche.
We, bikes & cars, are all negligible.
However, your assinine comments wont get anyone to pay attention to our plight.
Grow a set.
It is often stunning to me how disagreeable people "commenting" can be when they disagree.
Do people think they can be insulting and rude because this is anonymous?
Anyway, back to it... when bikes don't obey the law, driver's feelings get hurt. When drivers don't obey the law (and ignore a cyclist's right to the road) lives are lost. This "we're both to blame for unsafe roads" sentiment is fucking ludicrous - and a total cop-out. Four thousand pounds of steel and rubber vs. 25 lbs of aluminum. Come on. How can any rational individual not see the logic here?
Here's an exercise, drivers - tonight, when you're revving and racing to the next red light on your way home from work - look at the cyclist 6 inches off your right bumper. Imagine it's your mother. I'll do the same. I'll imagine you -- drivers -- are kind, calm individuals, got your licenses in this country, you understand that bicycles are "vehicles" under the highway traffic act (and entitled to as much of the road as we think is reasonable), and that you have no intention of parking in my bike lane or damn near running me off the road (even though that shit happens every single day).
P.S. Your retarded.
Your sense of entitlement is bewildering to even the most ardent of bike advocates.
I know as a driver I do all I can to drive defensively because I don't trust other drivers and their ability to make sound choices.
And there is no denying Phil, that there are both shitty drivers and shitty cyclists who are responsible for accidents. Not every accident on the road is the fault of the driver.
I agree with every single point you've made.
Sorry man, but your comments about cycles not being allowed on roads makes you sound like you've suffered one brain injury too many! Time for you to take the short bus back home, Dee-dee-Dee!
Forgive the insensitivity, but suggesting that a car-vs-cycle fatality is not the fault of the car driver is kinda like suggesting that a man-vs-woman rape isn't always the man's fault. She dressed provocatively after all, didn't she? Wasn't she really just asking for it? Blaming the victim is always the last desperate refuge of the guilty.
And, shit, yes, there's douches out there that ride like pricks and get killed. But that's not what this post is about. Its "A Toronto Cyclist's Top 10 Complaints", not "How I can justify a cyclist's death". I'm fixated on #10 - the close pass. A "complaint" that I have seen first hand result in (literally) a bloody, nauseating mess.
Check out some of the many comments at The Toronto Sun about the cop who parked in the bike lane while on personal business at http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2009/11/24/11900526-sun.html
I am so tired of the "us versus them" mentality. I have been biking my entire life in Toronto, and it is disgusing how many motorists will actually write that they'd not only like to see cyclists off the road, they'd like to see them RUN OFF the road, literally.
Why so much hate? When you turn 40, believe me, it just gets tiring :(
If you're riding your bike next to my car, and you fall off your bike forcing me to swerve into on-comming traffic, so that I don't run over your skull, YOU have just caused an accident, and YOU are financially liable! So again, WHY shouldn't bikes be required to have insurance???
The city can be a bike friendly place, but we need to make this an even playing field. Insurance, plates, and road taxes ofr eveyone who uses the road. NO EXCEPTIONS
Shall I go on? Last time I checked, our roads are maintained by our federal and provincial gas taxes. Since you don't buy gas (which isn't a fault by the way) I'm pretty sure you're NOT pitching into that pot. Therefore you should be taxed a separate road use tax. perhaps a flat fee for the year? The way it works for us is the more you drive, the more gas you have to buy, the more taxes you have to pay. It's kind of like a pay per use thing for us.
Here's a good study that explains how roads are paid for: http://www.vtpi.org/whoserd.pdf
Drivers should be thanking cyclists for a) not adding more pollution to the air b) Freeing up more space for cars c) Adding less wear and tear d) Subsidizing the costs of road maintenance
In other parts of the world, drivers understand this. But obviously there is a lot of ignorance here in Toronto about drivers "owning" the roads.
Do your research
We damage the crap out of the roads and you clown bikers still have to pay towards it!
-Doesn't matter, you're still using it.
"Drivers should be thanking cyclists for a) not adding more pollution to the air"
-Cars are becoming cleaner evey day, soon taht won't even resemble a valid argument, but for now you can have it.
"b) Freeing up more space for cars"
-This is true. I'm not saying bikes shouldn't exist. I think you guys should have your own lane, protected by a curb or divider, for both our safety. I feel the same way about transport trucks too. Vehicles of different size shouldn't share the same space. But I don't think that one will ever change.
"c) Adding less wear and tear"
-See above.
d) Subsidizing the costs of road maintenance"
- Maybe in BC(where that study is addresed from). We're talking about Toronto here. Most of the property taxes (and now tranfer tax) are spent by David miller on Transit, bike lanes, environmental stuff and city beutifacation projects. Maybe they WERE spent on the roads...have you seen them? They're horrible. They even implimented a car tax to try and pay for this crap. They added $60 a year to the existing $75 a year licence plate sticker fee. Since most people buy 2 years at a time, that added $120 to registration. Which most of us felt was criminal. So a good portion of the city re-registered their cars at they're cottage or other available adress to get around it. Let's just say the city came short on revenue projections for the car tax.
But did they introduce any comparable tax on the cyclists?
No.
So. My point is NOT that bikes are a scourge and shloud be shot.
My point is that the whole situation is not on an even playing field. In some ways the cards are stacked in favour of one and not the other. This creates...say it with me now....RESENTMENT, on both sides. and I don't think it's working for either of us.
We all need the same laws, rules, fees and taxes, to apply to us all evenly. This makes everything fair, which leads to mutual respect. Something bike riders are allways fighting for.
Lets face it, the compusory MOTOR vehicle insurace act of 1980, is now anitquated. In 1980 the city was smaller, less populous, and less crowded. There were fewer cars, and even fewer bikes. back then this whole thing simply wasn't an issue here. Fast forward almost 30 years, and things are very different. Our environmental attitude had changed, the roads are crowded, even the sidewalks are crowded now. People are seeking cheaper, smaller methods of travel. Some of which dont fall under the current laws and regulations.
Plain and simple...It's time they were updated.
Great, Dave, I look forward to you getting your G1 license, paying commercial vehicle licensing fees, and stopping at every weighing station. You know, to be fair, and so truckers will mutually respect you.
Oh wait, that would be crazy, because your car is not a truck.
Too many bad cyclists, thats why this brakeless fixie rider rides the way I do.
[Ex-courier]