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Toronto Drivers' Top 10 Complaints

Posted by Derek Flack / November 24, 2009

Toronto TrafficToronto traffic safety officer Tim Burrows asked drivers to send him a list of driving behaviour that drove them nuts. Although wandering deer didn't make the list, most of the usual suspects -- like misbehaving cyclists and slow drivers -- made the top ten.

Here's the complete list (in reverse order), as released by Burrows earlier today:

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A couple of weeks ago, I asked Toronto via Twitter and Facebook, "Hey Toronto. What's your biggest pet peeve about other road users? Let me know. I'll be writing about it." Well, here are the results. I'm not surprised by any of the responses. Hey, I'm a driver too and what upsets me are the same things that upset you. What did surprise me was the order of the responses.

#10 - Slow drivers
I don't agree but it is your list. This wasn't laid out as drivers who are in the passing lanes too slow, just slow drivers in general. Maybe it's not that they are too slow - maybe you are too fast.

#9 - Slower-moving vehicles that pull into your lane
Often the driver looks only at the immediate space around them and not at the big picture of time zones and space.

#8 - Late left-turn signals
Argh!! Drives me nuts, too. Inconsiderate and by not communicating soon enough can really destroy traffic flow. If you would have let me know what you were doing, I wouldn't be stuck behind you now.

#7 - Distracted drivers
Quickly becoming the norm for serious risks to public safety. 27 times increased risk in collision. By the way...hands-free does not mean you are minimizing the distraction. It only means you are complying with the law. You are still distracted.

#6 - Cyclists who disobey the Highway Traffic Act
Only because this is your list did I include it. All of the responses have a degree of lawlessness to them but there were enough responses that specifically said cyclists, I had to include it here.

#5 - Left-lane bandits
Most people think this is reserved for the expressways and freeways, but any time there are multiple lanes you can see this happen. The order of populating lanes is from the right to the left and you only use the left lane for passing...pass over, return to the right.

#4 - Unsafe lane changes
These are horrible for so many reasons. The actions of unsafe lane changes can have a domino affect with other drivers over-reacting and causing further problems.

#3 - Follow too closely
Who doesn't get this? You are too close, vehicle in front stops, you can't stop in the space you left...problem. These are the laws of physics explained so simply anyone can get it.

#2 - Lane cutters
This came in most described as the drivers who leave the curb lane on an expressway, jump on an entrance ramp, and pass cars just to cram themselves back into the curb lane again. Illegal, rude, inconsiderate and for what...to pass four or five cars...wow, you got so much further ahead.

#1 - No signals
By a landslide! No wonder. Take a look and see how many people don't use their signals. What is very disturbing about this offence is that you can't fail to use your signal and not be causing a potential problem. Turn? Need to tell people about it. Lane change? Have to communicate with everyone.

(Here are honourable mentions that didn't make the Top 10: Fail to clear intersections, quick-stoppers, late mergers, left on amber/red, fail to assist in passing, fail to lower high beams.)

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As much sense as all the entries on the list make, I can't help but think that they're a little predictable -- and perhaps a bit too general. "Distracted drivers," for instance, seems to beg for further explication. Cell phone use? Mired in conversation? Sexual activity?

Have a specific traffic incident that you need to purge via talk therapy? Or, perhaps there's something that annoys you that didn't make Burrows list?

The comment thread is open.

Photo by tanjatiziana, member of the blogTO Flickr pool.

Discussion

62 Comments

Peter K / November 24, 2009 at 01:29 pm
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You can add the rebel cyclists to the Pedestrians Pet Peeve list.
Sandra / November 24, 2009 at 01:34 pm
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How about construction! How the hell could that not make the list? That is, bar none, the most annoying experience I have driving: sitting and waiting in construction zones.
Elizabeth / November 24, 2009 at 01:38 pm
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What about people making late, illegal left hand turns that screw you when you then get an advance green and you have to wait for people to clear out of the intersection? Or, people who run red lights? I nearly got hit making a left hand turn on the danforth to broadview by a guy running a red light. What an ass.
Troll / November 24, 2009 at 01:38 pm
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HUFF PUFF I HATE THE TTC
Rob / November 24, 2009 at 01:40 pm
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I agree with all of this list EXCEPT for #1! As an experienced Toronto driver (aren't we all?), I firmly believe it's imperative NOT to signal if you have any intention of changing lanes in traffic. Why? Simple - if you signal, 9/10 people will go out of their way not to let you in! It's unbelievable.
Me / November 24, 2009 at 01:52 pm
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#7 applies to pedestrians and cyclists also. Lack of attention will get you every time.
Ian / November 24, 2009 at 01:55 pm
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#11. Drivers who stare at the green light for 5 seconds before they go...there are so many of them in Toronto.
Peter / November 24, 2009 at 01:59 pm
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Honestly? Biggest pet peeve: people who use the parking lane of a 4-lane road to try and pass. They pull into the right-hand lane at an intersection, blast through it. And then honk at the people who stayed in the proper lane to let them back in when they can't move further due to a parked van. Respect the flow of traffic, even if you're late. Stay in the right lane.
mr hate / November 24, 2009 at 02:00 pm
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A BlogTo post that encourages us to complain?

I AM IN

I would like to add

SHITBAGS WHO CAUSE GRIDLOCK

SHITBAG CYCLISTS WHO SEE ME SIGNALING A RIGHT TURN BUT THEY STAY ON MY RIGHT INSTEAD OF GOING LEFT AND AROUND ME AND THEN THEY DING DING DING THEIR STUPID BELL AT ME

SHITBAGS ON EASTBOUND LAKESHORE A FEW BLOCKS EAST OF SPADINA WHO DRIVE IN THE MIDDLE LANE THEN SUDDENLY CUT IN TO GET ON THE GARDINER ON RAMP WHICH MAKES ALL OF US LAW ABIDERS HAVE TO JAM ON OUR BRAKES
G Smith / November 24, 2009 at 02:05 pm
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If only there were more #10s on the road (at least in the core), #1-9 would be much less dangerous. Instead, rage-heads use it as an excuse. Consider this an official internet "bah!" to anyone who think spotting someone else doing one of the things on this list gives them a free pass to pull one or more in retaliation.

As a pedestrian, someone pulled a #1/#7 combo on me in the form of a Blackberry-blind left turn to within a foot of my legs while I was crossing a side-street near my apartment this morning. Luckily her window was open a crack and she heard me shouting. She didn't even look surprised, let alone shaken, when she looked up after stomping on the breaks... why should she be shaken, cars are just so nice and safe and cozy.
hendrix / November 24, 2009 at 02:08 pm
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i have experienced much of this.. but i sorta disagree with the left lane problem -- at least in city streets. On highways of course the exit/onramp is always on the right, and those left lane blockers are an annoyance. But in the city, you have possible exits left and right, so you can't really expect people to use the left lane just for passing. Many times I'm driving downtown and I'm looking for the road I need to turn left on.. I'm not gonna sit in the right lane until the last second and then move over to the left lane so I can exit on the left.
Realist (mostly) / November 24, 2009 at 02:10 pm
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DRIVERS WHO TEXT IN ALL CAPS.

How about people who make right turns on red without looking around? I see people do this all the time even when traffic making a left into that lane has a green arrow. I also see drivers do this when pedestrians have right of way.

Also people who turn right as quickly as possible when the light turns green to beat the pedestrians. Sorry you gotta share the road, but somebody's gonna get killed.
Ratpick / November 24, 2009 at 02:10 pm
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No complaints here. Everything is just fine.
mr hate / November 24, 2009 at 02:14 pm
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Lower case complaint

Hey I wanna park there in that spot up there on my right I signaled before I got to the spot and I'm now in front of the spot still signaling that I wanna back up and park there okay? Okay, then why did you drive up my ass? And now you honk at me like you're not the asshole?
Rings a Bell replying to a comment from Ian / November 24, 2009 at 02:21 pm
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That reminds me:

#elevendyseven - People who think that saving five seconds here and there is worth risking death and dismemberment (theirs or, more often, someone else's).
Peter K / November 24, 2009 at 02:21 pm
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I forgot about the dude honking behind me when I'm waiting for the car ahead of me to clear the intersection so I can make it through without blocking cross traffic when the light turns. Then there's his cousin, the guy who pulls through on the right hand side and cuts over into your lane, only to get himself stuck in the intersection with nowhere to go.

I wasn't sitting there for fun. I was trying to avoid that ticket for causing gridlock that you should be getting right now...not to mention all the dirty looks from the pedestrians who are trying to use the crosswalk you're currently blocking.
Really? / November 24, 2009 at 02:21 pm
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Ok..seriously..."Women drivers" didnt make the top 10???
DjDATZ / November 24, 2009 at 02:24 pm
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And, sadly, 99% of this could be fixed with these simple improvements/amendments to the HTA:
+ Mandatory driving school
- Driving school DRIVING fulfillment requirements need to be MUCH higher
- Needs to be easily at minimum 60 hours of in-car lessons vs. the measly and paltry 10 hour minimum
+ Police need to ticket for dangerous and accident-causing offences, not the most revenue generating offences
- Not signaling is way more dangerous than speeding will ever be
- Left lane bandits require people to make dangerous passing maneuvers to get past, therefore creating a more dangerous situation overall
- Keeping high beams on in both the daytime and the dark HURTS other drivers eyes, not to mention taking their concentration off the road and blinding them for an instant
+ Proper signage and intersection usage
- Roundabouts instead of red lights
- Yield signs instead of stop signs
- Like in Montreal, if there is any limitation on the direction of travel at an intersection, have a sign telling you which directions you are ALLOWED to travel in, not which directions you are NOT allowed to travel in; place that sign *right next* to the light (below, beside, above), rather than at random spots in the intersection so drivers have to play I Spy to find the signs
+ And finally, for highways, increase speed limits
- Our highways are designed so you can SAFELY do at minimum 120 if not 130, and 95% of the population does that speed on an empty highway regardless
- That way, if someone is doing 150, the difference in speed is not that great, reducing the amount of damage in the event of a collision

I have more say about this topic, I just can't remember. lol
mr hate / November 24, 2009 at 02:34 pm
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Drivers who DON'T STOP AT CROSSWALKS.

Especially ones who move into the curb lane and pass someone who HAS stopped.
jack / November 24, 2009 at 02:59 pm
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single driver driving an SUV! big cars that block views of other vehicles
TheAged / November 24, 2009 at 03:02 pm
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The eldery who cant see over the steering wheel ???
Vic De Zen / November 24, 2009 at 03:09 pm
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I seriously think they need to do something regarding the cyclist situation in this city. Yes I do think there is a "situation" now. Too often do I see cyclist getting run over or hit by cars. I shouldn't even have to type a sentence where I say "too often hit by cars", pertaining to cyclists! But sadly it has become a common thing in this city.
-Vic De Zen
??? replying to a comment from Vic De Zen / November 24, 2009 at 03:13 pm
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It is safe to assume you are alluding to the fact that too many cyclists do not follow the rules of the road and are therefore causing this this so called situation??
For Crying Out Loud replying to a comment from ??? / November 24, 2009 at 03:19 pm
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Dick!

I think it's safe to assume that less than all of the cyclists struck by cars in Toronto were themselves at fault.

This year I have personally witnessed at least six cyclists run over by cars (one SUV, on taxi) where the cyclist was in no way at fault. In the same time, I can remember seeing only one car-cyclist collision where the cyclist was not "follow[ing] the rules of the road", although of course there were plenty of near misses (as with any vehicles -- cycle, auto, or otherwise).
Robert / November 24, 2009 at 03:20 pm
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One of my pet peeves is drivers who believe their side-view mirrors are decorations.
For Crying Out Loud replying to a comment from For Crying Out Loud / November 24, 2009 at 03:20 pm
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(one SUV, one taxi, four 'normal' cars)
NS / November 24, 2009 at 03:22 pm
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People who know the right hand lane is going to end (there is even a sign!) yet stay in it all the way until the end and gently try to enter the lane next to it when it ends. Screw you.
mr hate / November 24, 2009 at 03:23 pm
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Majority of Toronto drivers are horrible.
Majority Toronto cyclists are horrible.
Both refuse to change their behaviour.
More boom boom crash will happen.
The end.
EatMyShorts / November 24, 2009 at 03:23 pm
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I'm surprised no one mentioned pot holes !! Cost me $400 last winter :(
??? replying to a comment from For Crying Out Loud / November 24, 2009 at 03:26 pm
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Well there you have it. A scientific survey if there ever was one.
But like Mr. Hate posted...bad drivers, bad cyclists. But with everyone trying to catch onto the "green" fad, bad cyclists are bound increase.
David / November 24, 2009 at 03:28 pm
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As both a cyclist and a driver all I'm going to say is that both cyclist & drivers need to follow the law of the road. There's be no collisions if everyone were driving/cycling defensively.

Just sayin'.
themcinerney / November 24, 2009 at 03:28 pm
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how did cabbies not make this list?
Mike W replying to a comment from Rob / November 24, 2009 at 03:32 pm
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You're part of #1 Rob, which I fully agree with (#1, not you).

On Eglington or Lawrence into the Allen I will fully let someone who signals and waits patiently for a spot as long as they're not a right lane charger.

Frankly I find it's 1/10 times someone will prevent you from merging.


And on the left lane in the city, you can't realistically expect it to be empty in below-speed-limit traffic.
G Smith replying to a comment from ??? / November 24, 2009 at 03:33 pm
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Easy there, Dr. Scientician - it sounded like an upfront anecdotal report to me.
thatguy replying to a comment from Sandra / November 24, 2009 at 03:35 pm
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Than don't go through constructions zones.

Look at it this way. The construction zones are needed in those areas, you are not.
Allthesame replying to a comment from G Smith / November 24, 2009 at 03:39 pm
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Meh. No different than someone saying they "personally" saw a cyclist run a red light, stop sign, etc.
All hearsay.
Everyone will have their story.
Mike W replying to a comment from Scared / November 24, 2009 at 03:41 pm
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Let me guess, you drive uptown in primarily Asian areas?

And what is IT anyways?
"It is what it is" is a ridiculous saying, think for a minute please.
Mike W replying to a comment from G Smith / November 24, 2009 at 03:43 pm
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My anecdotal report says cyclists are at fault 9/10 times. Does that mean we're both right?

Anecdotes can't justify statistics.
jack / November 24, 2009 at 04:03 pm
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cyclists are at a fault 'cause they are driving too slow and don't carry insurance
Jacob / November 24, 2009 at 04:08 pm
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What about drivers who signal too early?
jamesmallon / November 24, 2009 at 04:56 pm
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How about politicians who do not make the police enforce the traffic code on all these infractions!
Sean / November 24, 2009 at 06:46 pm
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CYCLISTS! I was at a red light in the middle of three lanes going north. Out of nowhere between me at the car to my left, a cyclist appears and turns right, in front of me and the truck to my right. The lights had just turned green. The cyclist almost got T-boned by two vehicles. CYCLISTS MUST BE LICENCED AND OBEY THE RULES OF THE ROAD!
W. K. Lis / November 24, 2009 at 06:49 pm
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Add to the list, drivers who take more than one lane to make a turn. They maybe making a left or right turn, but they use up so much of the turning lane that they end up with their tail hanging over the traffic lane.
jamesmallon / November 24, 2009 at 07:14 pm
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How about ignorant drivers commenting on something they know nothing about, and which puts them in no danger at all, apart from a stroke from unrighteous obese indignation: cycling?
Roger / November 24, 2009 at 07:32 pm
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How about Police cyclists who think they're above the law and leisurely ride on the sidewalk?
jameson / November 24, 2009 at 09:05 pm
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hmmm, this list sucks, but its not the lists fault, the article is a bad idea to begin with, there's no way the list could've been good.
DaveM / November 24, 2009 at 11:43 pm
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As an ex Montrealer I cannot believe how bad Toronto drivers are when it snows. Driver training should include real time in winter before someone can drive in winter.
Merging etiquette. When merging, cars should always go to the end of the merge and when the lane starts ending the main flow cars should alternate in merge entry if there is a back up.
Running yellow or red and not allowing left turners time to turn. This is getting worse every year goes by and congestion and impatience increase. Needs more enforcement because there are a lot of people running the red and messing up the flow.
sam / November 25, 2009 at 12:10 am
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i absolutely hate rubber neckers. accidents aren't usually all that exciting. move along.
Jam Bon Jelly / November 25, 2009 at 12:36 am
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How did "Reckless Cabbies" not make the list?

I can't even count the number of times I've seen cabs dart across multiple lanes to slam on breaks at the curb, pull dangerous u-turns on busy streets, speed up and slow down erratically and unpredictably, weave in and out of parked cars, and drive over curbs while pedestrians are present, blast off the line at a green light and pass you just to double park and block all traffic - all in the hope of snagging a fare!

What vultures! I refuse to take cabs in this city because I can't stomach the idea of paying someone who has potentially acted so consistently dangerous.

Yeah, there are probably saint-like cab drivers out there. But they're few and far between from what I've seen. Most are ignorant chumps who think they own the road. Just because you drive for a living doesn't give you the right to drive like that.
Peter K / November 25, 2009 at 09:20 am
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Drivers who wear iPods while driving.
mikeb replying to a comment from Jam Bon Jelly / November 25, 2009 at 11:00 am
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With the upcoming completion of the St Clair ROW project, I think the thing I am going to miss seeing the most is u-turners hanging on the front of a streetcar.
Moi / November 25, 2009 at 11:22 am
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mmmmmmmmmm with the recent news lately.....am surprised "Bumping off PEDESTRIANS" not in the Top 10.......WHOOP! ;)
Dave / November 25, 2009 at 12:15 pm
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Full disclosure: I'm a cyclist. Yes, there are bad cyclists in the city, and they should be yelled at for doing things like driving on the sidewalk and cutting off cars. But I've seen just as many drivers speed up to try and beat red lights. Being a moron on the road is universal, no matter how you get around.

I would like to add to the list, however. My #1 pet peeve is not even cars; it's pedestrians who walk out into traffic without even looking to see if anything is coming towards them! If you don't even bother to look, I am seriously going to start running you over.
onegirl replying to a comment from mr hate / November 25, 2009 at 12:18 pm
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Yes. One of my kids came close to being hit by a car that passed on the right while we were crossing at a crosswalk. I use it as a lesson every time we cross now... "Walk next to me. Don't run ahead, and always look to see if any cars are coming on the other side of the stopped car. Remember what happened that one time."

So, I know it has been mentioned, but I have to add my own rant... it drives me bananas when drivers think it is ok to sneak up as far as they can go on the right lane and then squeeze in to the left when all the rest of the left lane drivers have been sitting and waiting their turn to move. It slows everyone else down and is incredibly selfish. Just get in the lane you need to be in AHEAD OF TIME. And if you wonder why people aren't being nice and letting you in, think about what you are trying to do.
Dr. Benway replying to a comment from David / November 25, 2009 at 03:26 pm
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Amen.

Fact is, both of us - and let's not forget the only difference between a driver and a cyclist is the things we're in/on while moving - need to know the HTA. Far too often am I told by a driver while I'm riding a bike about an interesting, completely nonsensical and false "fact" about the HTA. And the same by cyclists when I'm driving.

And let's add to that, simple communication. I can't tell you how many times I've been run into by a cyclist I'm making eye contact with - both on my bike stopped and crossing on foot.

After all, we're all just people moving about our lives.
Divide / November 26, 2009 at 01:39 pm
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Bunch of cry babies... would you all like me to call you a whaaambulance ?
locustgirl / November 26, 2009 at 01:42 pm
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Maybe this isn't as related, but pedestrians that don't follow the rules thus making it infinitely harder to drive.
Apey / December 1, 2009 at 01:53 am
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STREET CARS
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Stupid cyclists who think they are cars and drive ON the road.
robert / March 13, 2010 at 08:58 pm
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Well Toronto has growen quite a bit since I started driving about 36 years ago, and I never thought I'd see bike lanes all over , as I used to ride a bike around Toronto in my youth and had to watch the storm drains and traffic at the same time, also junk left in the gutters because then you rode the curb tight unless you wanted to get run over for those drivers felt you had no right to be on the road even though you were not allowed on the sidewalks. Traffic on the roads had increaced 10 fold since I began driving in Toronto in the 70's. You need skill to drive in Toronto with the Street cars and the huge number of bikes sharing the roads who are there even in the winter time now , something you never saw in the old days people on bikes in the winter.
You can't drive others cars for them , you can only be careful and mindful of bike riders regardless if some of them are disopeying the laws , you don't want a death on your concience. street cars are here to stay , get used to them and realize that if all those people decided to drive cars who are riding the TTC you would have grid lock 24/7. pointless bitching about what other drivers are doing YOU be sure that you drive right and yes road construction has ot be done , nothing you can do about that except deal with it and go with the flow.
KK / September 16, 2011 at 01:58 am
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Whatever happened to the left lane being a passing lane?!? This drives me crazy! Over-sized trucks, buses, etc. all decided the left lane is open for them to cruise on during traffic hour. This allows other motorysts to pass them and cause additional traffic. This is insane! And who is in charge of updating the hwy signs? They are never up-to-date! Toronto traffic is getting worse and worse every couple months.
Frustrated / January 28, 2012 at 11:22 am
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What about those drivers that make a right-hand turn from the middle of the road, instead of from next to the curb like normal? And then we have the parkers whose tires are 18 inches away from the curb. Then there are those who go directly into the left lane after completing a right-hand turn. Mostly unskilled and untalented drivers is what I see in Toronto.
l3m0naida / September 1, 2012 at 08:55 pm
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What about that guy today who chased me from Bathurst & Finch until Drewry that I was forced to stop and pull over? First he was on the right lane, I was in the middle. I needed to go to the right lane so I signaled and change. There was plenty of space, a block long of empty road. Piece of cake. But I guess he was not paying attention enough that all of a sudden there was a car in front of him, he got so angry and started yelling. SO I flipped him off.Then he chased me down, driving in front and beside me. So I turned right on Drewry and he was still behind me. So I pulled over His first words, "you changed lane!" "You flipped me off!" But wouldn't you if someone was yelling at you at the top of their lungs? He said he was gonna call the police. And file a complaint :0 tsk tsk road rage. If you can't talk and drive at the same time, don't drive or don't talk. And pay attention.

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