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Morning Brew: Karen Stintz to step down as TTC chair, Rob Ford busts a move in church, Conrad Black hits out, and effigy burnt in protest at Queen subway shooting

Posted by Chris Bateman / December 16, 2013

toronto snowKaren Stintz is stepping down as chair of the Toronto Transit Commission. In an email to councillors, Stintz said she would remain a member of the TTC board but quit the role ahead of her run for mayor. "I look forward to her resignation because she's done a terrible job as chair of the TTC," said Doug Ford, ever classy. Josh Colle and Maria Augimeri are two councillors being tipped to take over the job.

Rob Ford busted a move over the weekend at a North York church. The mayor was filmed by a member of the congregation at the West Toronto Church of God on Sunday afternoon standing in front of the choir, shaking his body and clapping his hands to a lively song. In November, Ford told the CBC's Peter Mansbridge he had had a "come to Jesus moment."

Conrad Black says the Toronto Star is a "menace to democracy." In column printed Saturday, the convicted fraudster accused the paper of using Daniel Dale's libel suit to wage more war on Rob Ford. "The voters control this city, not the Toronto Star. And the attempt to end-run the electoral system is dishonest and a menace to democracy," he wrote.

Rob Ford's supporters are raising money for the embattled mayor's legal bills. An indiegogo crowd funding campaign is aiming to raise $50,000 to help Ford battle legal challenges by "special interests and big media organizations." At time of writing, $2,556 has been pledged by supporters. "It's time for Torontonians to stand up and say enough is enough," the page reads.

Last night, protestors burned an effigy of a pig in protest at Friday's police shooting at Queen station. Around 60 people marched down Yonge St. in response to news that four police officers may have fired their weapons during the confrontation. The Special Investigations Unit's Carm Piro said nine officers responded to a call about a suspicious person on a train. He said the man was armed, though it's not clear how. An 18-year-old man is in a stable condition in hospital.

Lawrence station is still closed this morning due to flooding from a broken water main. Earlier, the Bloor-Danforth line was closed east of Broadview due to mechanical problems on board a train.

Finally, here's that video:

FROM THE WEEKEND:

IN BRIEF:

Chris Bateman is a staff writer at blogTO. Follow him on Twitter at @chrisbateman.

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Discussion

104 Comments

steve / December 16, 2013 at 08:09 am
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Its common knowledge that the Toronto Star is run by Liberal Party insiders. Sadly, that's how Toronto became a Liberal stronghold. So really, the Star is a menace to the entire country
Dave / December 16, 2013 at 08:16 am
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The Toronto Star's influence has retained the tabloid crowd at this point. Most people with open minds review dozens of different papers online before they conclude on a subject.
Aaron / December 16, 2013 at 08:27 am
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Watching Rob Ford moving with the church music, reminded me of the church scene in Blues Brothers.
Do you see the light?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv_E8eBbaOs

Look for Chaka Kahn in the choir led my James Brown.
Captain Obvious replying to a comment from Dave / December 16, 2013 at 09:10 am
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Yes, people with open minds do read dozens of different papers online before they conclude on a subject. Funny thing in this case when said dozens of papers, websites, novellas, Broadway scripts, stone tablets and papyrus scrolls all agree with the Star -- i.e. that Ford is a lying, incompetent, dimwitted bully who smoked crack, got wasted, dealt with criminals and tried to unduly use the influence of his office while acting as Mayor, and that all investigations were therefore pretty much bang-on as excellent and appropriate reporting.

Now please go back to making up whatever fantasy you subscribe to.
HipAnonymous replying to a comment from Dave / December 16, 2013 at 09:34 am
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Every Toronto newspaper said that Ford should resign as mayor. After reading all those editorials I concluded that yes, this coward of a mayor should resign.
Al / December 16, 2013 at 09:34 am
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The Star was vindicated over the video and Ford was shown to be a liar. I'm sure the same will happen over this suit.
Steven / December 16, 2013 at 09:35 am
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Run for mayor but if you lose, look for work elsewhere. Stinz has no chance of becoming mayor and should lose her ties with the city once she loses. Her current job performance is far from exemplary.
Jahn replying to a comment from Dave / December 16, 2013 at 09:44 am
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The influence of Reason leads most people to understand that Rob Ford must go. Hey ho!

No amount of fabricated reverence for an imaginary higher power will help this useless mayor.
Skye / December 16, 2013 at 09:45 am
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I truly pity the Ford Nation holdouts now. They want to raise 50K for an overgrown rich kid whose family can well afford the legal fees? The Ford family must be laughing their butts off at the blind stupidity of Robby's followers.
Dave replying to a comment from Al / December 16, 2013 at 09:56 am
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The facts in that case were that Daniel Dale was spotted lurking around Ford's back yard at 8pm. It was discovered that Dale was standing on cinder blocks just behind Ford's fence.
Most normal parents would have reacted the same way Ford did.
Moran b eeghuzzar / December 16, 2013 at 10:05 am
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Wonder if Rob still has enough to eat at home or if he eats out. Alana, can you let us know?
Surely replying to a comment from Dave / December 16, 2013 at 10:12 am
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Now you're lying. Dale was working, not lurking. Lurking is what you do on these message boards. Dale was also not standing on cinder blocks. He was investigating the public park that Ford was trying to buy to expand his castle. This is called undue influence and is illegal. Just another illegal activity that Ford does, like smoking crack cocaine and banging heroin.
punch / December 16, 2013 at 10:13 am
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I'd love to see Doug Ford badmouth the wrong person and get knocked the fuck out.
MirrorDave replying to a comment from Dave / December 16, 2013 at 10:18 am
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The facts in that case were that Daniel Dale was spotted walking around in the parkland behind Ford's back yard just before 8pm. It was discovered that Dale was standing 10 feet away from Ford's fence.
Most normal parents would have reacted by keeping a wary eye on such a person rather than charging at them physically.
Lee Zamparo replying to a comment from steve / December 16, 2013 at 10:19 am
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The slow subversion of the minds of Toronto voters by insidious mustache-twisting insiders? Don't quit your day job to write. Did it never occur to you that Torontonians vote Liberal because the Ontario PC party screwed them over royally in the '90s? How did Torontonians vote prior to the Harris government? Yeah, thought so.
Steve replying to a comment from Dave / December 16, 2013 at 10:24 am
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You must have mistook the word "fact" with "completely made up", considering everything you said was disproven.
Adam H. replying to a comment from Dave / December 16, 2013 at 10:25 am
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The facts in that case are actually that Dale was never found to be standing on anything, or indeed found to be anywhere near Ford's fence.

Why are you still lying about this, Dave?
Dave replying to a comment from Adam H. / December 16, 2013 at 10:37 am
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No lies at all, it was Ford's neighbor that spotted Dale standing on cinder blocks. His neighbor did not know that it was Dale though. At that point, the unknown party could have been considered a pedophile as he should not have been lurking without permission.
Dale not only will lose this case, the Star will be on trial as well.
Adam H. replying to a comment from Dave / December 16, 2013 at 10:40 am
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Ford's neighbour has refused to corroborate Ford's version of events. Ford's neighbour has never publicly stated that he saw Dale standing on anything.

Ford has been lying about those events since they happened, and so have you. Why is that, Dave?
Winston replying to a comment from Dave / December 16, 2013 at 10:41 am
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Most parents would react the same way Ford did, AT THE TIME.

But after the fact, once those parents learned that:
- the "lurker" was a reporter working on a story associated with adjacent property
- there were no pictures on the reporter's Blackberry
- the case was investigated by police and the reporter not charged with any crime
most parents would not CONTINUE to imply that Dale was a pedophile. The libel charge does not relate to Ford's initial reaction... it's the fact that he continues to make accusations that have no basis.
Foreigner Dave replying to a comment from Dave / December 16, 2013 at 10:41 am
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We spell it NEIGHBO-U-R in this country, you goddamned traitor.
Billy / December 16, 2013 at 11:03 am
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So it finally comes out, Dave is actually a bored American troll with too much time on his hands.
Craig replying to a comment from Dave / December 16, 2013 at 11:04 am
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Dave, If Ford theough Daniel was a pedophile when the incident happened, why didn't he say it then? Why wait until now to do say anything? Maybe this the start of his vendatta against the Star for exposing his crack smoking alter ego to the City.
Mack Attack / December 16, 2013 at 11:11 am
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RoFo's problem is that defamation/slander laws favour Mr Dale at this point. If a neighbour said that the neighbour saw something and then RoFo repeats it as fact, RoFo is responsibile for saying it. RoFo can't hide behind the defence of "I just repeated what someone told me".

RoFo also has to worry about the reverse onus of defamation law suits. RoFo's lawyer(s) will have to prove that RoFo did not defame/slander Danny-boy.

RoFo will also have to deal with the fact that civil suits do not have to result in binary guily/not-guilty decisions. If this goes to trial then the judge/jury can find that RoFo is only guilty of somewhat defaming DD.
Duke replying to a comment from Craig / December 16, 2013 at 11:11 am
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Why wait? Because they were discussing the impacts of this scandal on his family. Rob never charged him with anything, so there was no rush to get it out. It was a simple discussion in an interview. Rob has not charged him with anything, so whether his personal thoughts ever came out or not is not an issue.

Dale and the star are making this an issue so they can have an exclusive story in the Ford Case.
Mack Attack replying to a comment from Duke / December 16, 2013 at 11:20 am
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That does not make much sense. The photo issue came up months ago. If RoFo was really worried about his kids then he would have done something by now.
Becker / December 16, 2013 at 11:27 am
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The issue is that Rob Ford continued to make false claims about Dale after the police disproved the former's 'lurking' allegation after viewing Ford's CCTV footage and Dale's phone.

Conrad Black's involvement in the Ford saga is an early Xmas gift. Everything he touches turns to shit.

Mack Attack replying to a comment from Becker / December 16, 2013 at 11:31 am
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I did love the irony of Black calling the Star a dinosaur in a column published in the Post. Talk about delusional.
Craig replying to a comment from Duke / December 16, 2013 at 11:40 am
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That's excellent fiction there. Rob called the police, they investigated, including looking at Daniel Dale's cell phone and reviewing the security video provided by Rob Ford. They did not charge him, I wonder why that was? Maybe because there was nothing to charge him with?

If he's waiting until now to go after Dale, he really doesn't care about his kids. If this happened to my kids, I'd be dealing with it immediately, not 6 months later in an off handed comment in an interview. I would have been at the police station every day until he was charged.
Duke replying to a comment from Mack Attack / December 16, 2013 at 11:44 am
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My point exactly!! Rob is not charging him with anything your making he had a concern on that day. Rob was concerned as any parent would be, if the problem persisted and Dale continued to show his face around Fords property he probably would've acted on it.

Your the one asking "Why didn't Ford do anything about this earlier?" because he had no intention of acting on it or charging Dale.
Steve replying to a comment from Duke / December 16, 2013 at 11:44 am
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Dale is making this a case because, like many things he has done, what Ford did is called libel, and is against the law.
Craig replying to a comment from Duke / December 16, 2013 at 11:52 am
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If he had no plans on doing anything why bring it up in the interview, especially in that way? It seems like it was brought up to attack him personally, and with typical Rob Ford finesse.

And no he didn't do it for his kids.If it were real, he should have dealt with this months ago, though the police. Heck, isn't he buddies with the head of 22 division?
Duke replying to a comment from Steve / December 16, 2013 at 11:58 am
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I'm aware of that. Your arguing a different point. I'm fully aware of Dale and why he's proceeding, no problems there.

The question posed above was - why didn't Rob state what he thought about Dale months ago instead of waiting until now.
Duke / December 16, 2013 at 12:58 pm
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It's been an hour without a rebuttal - I WIN!!!

All questions and comments I previously posted above on this subject are now closed and will not receive any response from me.

You had your chance and failed to take action (just like our deputy mayor) I WIN!
Steve replying to a comment from Duke / December 16, 2013 at 01:17 pm
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Because Rob is a liar who changes his story every time he tells it.
Shirley replying to a comment from Dave / December 16, 2013 at 01:19 pm
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The only cinder blocks in this story are the ones in Rob Ford's head.
Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 01:36 pm
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Captain Obvious-That's what's called a coup. Thanks for brilliantly pointing that out.

Al-No shocker there.

Shirley-Troll much?
Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 01:46 pm
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Steven-What's worse is Colle or Augimeri as TTC Chair. Augimeri who thinks it's okay to play the stockmarket with taxpayer dollars then cover it up (unless of course she would like to make a statement to the media with the specific names of the people responsible, something she has failed to address to the media); or Colle whose only real work history is working for the gluttonous TDSB. This is going to be a nightmare.

Skye-But what's interesting? Whether or not he can raise the funds; a good indicator of whether or not he has the numbers.

Surley-Lurking, trolling...Dale couldn't write a story from behind his desk? According to you guys he took no pictures. Think the public would've had an easier time believing he was out for a walk, and a bit of fresh air.
Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 01:52 pm
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Steven-What's worse is Colle or Augimeri as TTC Chair. Augimeri who thinks it's okay to play the stockmarket with taxpayer dollars then cover it up (unless of course she would like to make a statement to the media with the specific names of the people responsible, something she has failed to address to the media); or Colle whose only real work history is working for the gluttonous TDSB. This is going to be a nightmare.

Skye-But what's interesting? Whether or not he can raise the funds; a good indicator of whether or not he has the numbers.

Surley-Lurking, trolling...Dale couldn't write a story from behind his desk? According to you guys he took no pictures. Think the public would've had an easier time believing he was out for a walk, and a bit of fresh air.
Skye / December 16, 2013 at 02:12 pm
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Ah, but Shirl...if the funds are raised, it's just further proof of how stupid the Ford Nation holdouts are.
Surely replying to a comment from Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 02:20 pm
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Why would Dale only write his story from his desk? The mayor had made a very inappropriate request to buy public park land in order to expand his fiefdom. The mayor was enacting undue influence on the situation which is illegal. Dale went to see the public land in question so that he could do a good job of reporting. To reiterate, Dale did not do anything wrong.

If you or your mayor had any concept of what doing a good job entailed, you would know that a reporter does not just write stories from behind a desk.

If the mayor can't handle the attention, maybe he should go back to smoking crack in his mom's basement.
vern / December 16, 2013 at 02:26 pm
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Are you gonna show up at the polls this time? When Rob wins you gonna blame it on voter apathy on your side AGAIN..
Mack Attack replying to a comment from Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 02:28 pm
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Shirely wrote: "According to you guys he took no pictures"

No-one ever said that Dale did not take pictures. What has been said is that the police found that Dale had not taken pictures of Ford's backyard or kids nor did he take any pictures that confirmed or supported Ford's allegations. Dale even asked the cops to go through and look at his pictures!
Mack Attack replying to a comment from Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 02:29 pm
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I am just waiting for someone to start a crowd-source account to help fund Dale's case. I'd chip in $20. Heck, I'd chip in $100 if Ford promised to go away and never come back.
Lee Zamparo replying to a comment from Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 02:38 pm
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According to the police, actually. This is pretty desperate by Ford; the police have investigated, and determined that Dale's story fits the facts on hand. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in court, maybe the threat of libel will finally curb Ford's tendency to lie unabashedly.
Captain Obvious replying to a comment from Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 02:43 pm
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So, just to be clear, if everyone agrees about something it's not stating the obvious, it's a "coup"? Talk about fantasies and conspiracies... What exactly would Ford have to do for you to stop supporting him and support another conservative for mayor instead? Because it seems like "everything wrong" is not enough.

As for Dale and photos, you are missing the facts again. As stated by Dale on May 2: "I arrived sometime after 7:30 p.m. I walked around the parkland toward the mayor's property. I took note of the trees, then, standing perhaps 10 metres from his wooden backyard fence, emailed an additional two sentences to my editor at 7:47. My phone died as I tried to snap photos of the trees and the fencing." Of course he took his cellphone camera with him and was taking or going to take photos of the parkland in question, ideally with Ford's fence in the background. That would, after all, be the image needed to accompany any research and story about how the land Ford was (insanely) trying to buy related to the Ford property. But he never took pictures over the fence of Ford's yard, that is for sure based on the police investigation. So which lie are you going to hang your hat on next?
Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 02:47 pm
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Skye-Just can't help yourself eh? You were waiting for me, weren't you? (*smiles*)

MirrorDave-Dale and Ford needed to release the contents of their recording devices to the public. Unfortunately, the lack of evidence in both of these cases is not evidence a crime did not occur, or did occur. Just the way the police like it when rich people are sparring. Someone should tell the police, the taxpayers aren't paying them to babysit.

Surley-I'm doing a terrific job handling the left posters on this blog all on my own. Mr.Dale was the only one outside of Mayor Fords home, spying, with malicious intent. We've been through this before. Don't you have anything new to add , which would give weight to your version of the event?
HipAnonymous replying to a comment from Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 03:04 pm
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"Unfortunately, the lack of evidence in both of these cases is not evidence a crime did not occur, or did occur."

"Mr.Dale was the only one outside of Mayor Fords home, spying, with malicious intent."

So, if there's no evidence (other than a neighbour who subsequently refused to agree with Ford's version of events), than why would you keep saying that Dale was spying "with malicious intent"?

The "malicious intent" in this case was to research facts for an article.
Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 03:16 pm
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LeeZamparo-Did it ever occur to you that people may vote PC or NDP, because the Liberals have unwisely spent tax dollars on Orange. OPG, power plant closures, OLG (X2) etc? These bad decisions have been going on for a decade (longer).

Steve-We're very excited for the court process to begin.

Becker-It was not disproven. Just not enough evidence. Why don't you advocate for the Chief, or investigators to make a public statement that the Mayor lied about Mr.Dale. If they do that I will concede.

As for Black, I have a whole new perspective on him. I just LOVE the way he handled himself during the Carol Off interview. This man is so damn interesting. You kick ass Conrad!
Mack Attack replying to a comment from Surely / December 16, 2013 at 03:16 pm
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Shirely wrote: "Dale couldn't write a story from behind his desk?"

That is funny. If he HAD written from behind his desk then people would have complained that he was writing about stuff that he didn't know about. How would you feel about a sports reporter who wrote about a game that he/she watched on TV?

Ironically, it was the fact that Dale was being being a good reporter that led (in part) to this mess.
Mack Attack replying to a comment from Surely / December 16, 2013 at 03:18 pm
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The great thing about this is that Ford's antics are making it much easier for someone like Olivia Chow to get elected. I really hope that he does run in 2014.
Surely replying to a comment from Mack Attack / December 16, 2013 at 03:23 pm
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Ford is toast in 2014. Not only will he not get re-elected, he also won't lose the weight that he keeps promising his Nayshun to lose. The man is a train wreck.

Olivia Chow will win the election handily. There is no other candidate who even comes close in terms of brains and poise.
Dr. Acula replying to a comment from Captain Obvious / December 16, 2013 at 03:30 pm
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I asked Shirley several days ago, "What type of criminal activity would the Mayor have to be involved in for you to question your support?". She finally said, "Wasting the taxpayers money." Like that's a crime :) That's Shirley in a nutshell.
Steve replying to a comment from Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 03:50 pm
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Hey Shirley, why are you always saying "we" when referring to Robbie boy and his goon brother? Are you in fact secretly a member of his staff (which would explain a lot), or just under the sad delusion that they view you as a valued member of their "team"?

Also why doesn't it surprise me that you support yet another convicted criminal in Conrad Black? For leader of the suburban stay-at-home-and-watch-soaps-mom brigade, you sure don't seem to "think of the children" very much.

Brings up questions of your character.
Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 03:50 pm
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Mack Attack-I'm referring to previous posts made in other threads, on
Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 03:51 pm
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Mack Attack-I'm referring to previous posts made in other threads, on another day, made by the same people who post here everyday.

LeeZemparo-Time will tell.

Captain Obvious- The only thing the media was in agreement about (with city councillors, and some citizens) was to destroy the Mayors reputation (as soon as he decided to run for Mayor), and most of his planned public events were sabotaged with bs questions that were designed to make him look bad. If Rob Ford fails in his bid for Mayor in 2014, he would have grounds for slander. The evidence is over-whelming. As for the Dale incident, no evidence at all. What I would like to point out, is would any of this had happened if Rob Ford were a Liberal? Hell no.

As for Dales' photo's....I don't need to hear again, in Mr.Dales own words what happened. I believe what the witnesses said.

LOL-Yeah, boy was that insane...a Mayor making an application for land behind his house to protect his family...that is just not something any other human being would do. I'm being sarcastic, just in case you didn't pick up on it?

Mack Attack / December 16, 2013 at 03:54 pm
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Ugh. Talk about the good, the bad and the ugly. I just saw my first top 10 list of best quotes for 2013. People on the list include Malala Yousafzai (Pakistani school girl: "So let us wage a glorious struggle against illiteracy, poverty and terrorism, let us pick up our books and our pens, they are the most powerful weapons."), the US NRA ("The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."), and RoFo ("Yes, I have smoked crack cocaine. Have I tried it? Um, probably in one of my drunken stupors.").
Mack Attack replying to a comment from Dr. Acula / December 16, 2013 at 03:56 pm
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How did Shirley rate the move by RoFo to give all of his remaining staff special salary increases just for sticking it out with him? Was that a waste or city funds/a "Crime"?
Alex / December 16, 2013 at 04:02 pm
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Hope Maria wins TTC chair. According to the article Colle supported the subway, and thus is incapable of rational thought. Either way though at least we have Byford. He's done an amazing job at the TTC so far.
Lee Zamparo replying to a comment from Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 04:12 pm
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"Mr.Dale was the only one outside of Mayor Fords home, spying, with malicious intent."

Just because this is how you imagined the scene, does not make it so. Let's see how this plays out in court.

"Did it ever occur to you that people may vote PC or NDP, because the Liberals have unwisely spent tax dollars on Orange. OPG, power plant closures, OLG (X2) etc? These bad decisions have been going on for a decade (longer)."

Nice deflection, though not at all related to what I was referring to. You're either a smart bot or a stupid human.
Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 04:16 pm
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HipAnonymous-You contradicted yourself by admitting malicious intent on Dales' behalf. Now we're getting somewhere.

Mack Attack-Apples to oranges (sports field to Mayors house).

When I hear the name Olivia Chow, I think of Jack naked at a massage parlor,..I feel grossed out and traumatized

Dr.Acula-What I said exactly is "one that hurts the taxpayer." Get your facts straight.

Steve-Who said I was a stay at home mom?

Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 04:16 pm
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HipAnonymous-You contradicted yourself by admitting malicious intent on Dales' behalf. Now we're getting somewhere.

Mack Attack-Apples to oranges (sports field to Mayors house).

When I hear the name Olivia Chow, I think of Jack naked at a massage parlor,..I feel grossed out and traumatized

Dr.Acula-What I said exactly is "one that hurts the taxpayer." Get your facts straight.

Steve-Who said I was a stay at home mom?

Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 04:19 pm
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HipAnonymous-You contradicted yourself by admitting malicious intent on Dales' behalf. Now we're getting somewhere.

Mack Attack-Apples to oranges (sports field to Mayors house).

When I hear the name Olivia Chow, I think of Jack naked at a massage parlor,..I feel grossed out and traumatized

Dr.Acula-What I said exactly is "one that hurts the taxpayer." Get your facts straight.

Steve-Who said I was a stay at home mom?

Mack Attack / December 16, 2013 at 04:20 pm
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I am not a fan of RoFo but is it technically correct to refer to him as a "convicted criminal"? I'd hate to think that I am buying into the way that RoFo and DoFo soft-pedal RoFo's crimes and misdemeanours but did his Florida "adventures" result in a judicial finding that justifies the label?

This is a serious question.
Shirley replying to a comment from Mack Attack / December 16, 2013 at 04:27 pm
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Link, please?
Me / December 16, 2013 at 04:28 pm
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"“They need to not treat them like criminals,” he said."

But a guy waving a gun in public IS a criminal STUPID!
Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 04:40 pm
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LeeZamparo-No deflection. You're the one who brought up provicial politics.

Temper, temper Mr.Zamparo.
Mack Attack replying to a comment from Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 04:40 pm
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Shirely, Really? You are not adroit enough to comprehend the use of quotation marks around "malicious intent"? Either that or you purposefully ignored them.

Similarly, you dicount my comment with a shrug and the "apples to oranges" canard that does not actually respond to my point. Try doing this: explain why you think it would be better for a report to report on something that he or she has not actually seen given that he or she can get there and personally assess a situation with a 30 minute car ride?

Please do not leave the casual reader of this forum to think that you have "drunk the Kool-aid" and are incapable of making a rational comment on a simple issue: Dale was doing the right thing by visiting the parkland that Ford was trying to buy.
Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 04:59 pm
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Mack Attack- People with addiction issues are viewed as ill people, not criminals, eventhough some have been convicted of crimes.
Shirley replying to a comment from Mack Attack / December 16, 2013 at 05:09 pm
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Dave! Thought I recognized you. Knew you'd out yourself soon enough. Where you been? Only showing up every two weeks now? How come you don't use the same user name (you keep changing it or borrowing other peoples names)? LOL-You almost got through the day without raging. Pretty good.
Lee Zamparo replying to a comment from Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 05:11 pm
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That's a stretch to suggest. 'steve' (though probably you, since you felt the need to respond) posted

"Its common knowledge that the Toronto Star is run by Liberal Party insiders. Sadly, that's how Toronto became a Liberal stronghold. So really, the Star is a menace to the entire country"

I wanted to point out how absurd it is to suggest an insidious Liberal infiltration of the Toronto Star is responsible for people voting for Liberal candidates in Toronto. That's just ludicrous.

For you to then chime in with how the present Liberal government should be chastised for wasting tax dollars on Ornge (definitely) and clean energy (not so clear cut) is entirely non-sequitur.
Dr. Acula replying to a comment from Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 05:57 pm
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Shirley.
My apologies that my post came off as snarky, I try to be as polite and sincere as possible (And sometimes fail). I sincerely want to know a specific criminal activity that would make you question your support for the Mayor?

I asked, "What type of criminal activity would the Mayor have to be involved in for you to question your support?".

Your answer... What I said exactly is "one that hurts the taxpayer." Get your facts straight.

You failed to mention any specific criminal activity. Do you mind providing a few examples?

Sorry if I'm being a pest, I'm genuinely interested :)
Moran b eeghuzzar / December 16, 2013 at 06:07 pm
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Is Rob Ford eating out tonight? Shirley knows, Shurely!
Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 07:28 pm
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Dr.Acula-My answer is finite. Ask yourself, what crimes would hurt a taxpayer?

Lee Zamparo-Don't confuse yourself. I'm not suggesting, I'm stating information based on my own perceptions; and my experiences with life. If you have questions for Steve, I suggest you direct them at him.
Dr. Acula replying to a comment from Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 08:35 pm
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My answer is finite? I think you may have lost me Shirley. I have no doubt that you're smarter than me, but I have no idea what that means. I was looking for a specific criminal activity for a Mayor to be involved in, that would make you question your support. If I've been too vague, I apologize. I think I have a solution, complete this sentence. "I am questioning my support for Toronto's Mayor since his alleged involvement with...". I probably could have phrased it better, but hopefully you get the gist. I look forward to your response, and thanks again for your patience :)

Here's an example. No disrespect to a man who has passed on, but a few friends gave up support after the allegations came to light.
i.e. I am questioning my support of Jack Layton (RIP) since his alleged involvement with... prostitutes.




Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 10:20 pm
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Dr. Acula-Guess you're not really a doctor eh? *smiles*

You don't need to understand finite. Just refer back to the other part of my last response in answer to your question. Things politicians do to themselves I don't care about, but if they misappropriate tax dollars,like what I posted earlier about Councillor Augimeri, that's a crime against the taxpayer. What the provincial Liberals did with the gas plants (and all the other stuff), I don't believe is a criminal offence, but I interpret it as a crime against the taxpayer. If Rob Ford relapsed again and again without putting in an effort, that would be a problem for me, and I would definitely re-visit my position. We don't need an active drug user on any level of government. If Rob had committed a crime against someone else (theft, assault etc), that would be a crime against a taxpayer.

If you're looking for a list of criminal offences you're out of luck. But I think you understand me better now?

I WILL hold Ford accountable, if anything arises. I see nothing so far, that will sway me from my position. Yet.
Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 10:30 pm
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Dr.Acula-I'm not smarter than you,

Good-night.
plop replying to a comment from Dave / December 16, 2013 at 10:59 pm
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Your last sentence may be the smartest thing you've ever said. Too bad you don't follow your own statements since you have FAR from an open mind.
squirrly replying to a comment from Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 11:04 pm
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Shirley - I'm curious - do you support Councillor Mammoliti?
iSkyscraper replying to a comment from Shirley / December 16, 2013 at 11:37 pm
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I am.
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Shirley-Was Rob Ford eating out last night?
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This person has somehow managed to make the TTC suck even harder...as a mayor, we'd be bankrupt in months!
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