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Morning Brew: Ford says Bill Blair politically motivated, cop sentenced for G20 assault, TTC free on NYE, tears at Const. Zivcic memorial, and a Winston Churchill statue

Posted by Chris Bateman / December 10, 2013

toronto window cleanerRob Ford's hotly anticipated conversation with Conrad Black aired last night and was devoid of any real pressure from the former media baron. However, Ford accused Police Chief Bill Blair of having a vendetta against him, saying he was politically motivated in ordering Project Brazen 2. "If I've done something illegal ... arrest me," he said.

He also accused Star reporter Daniel Dale of "taking photos of little kids" during the 2012 "Fencegate" incident. Read out full round-up.

A Toronto police officer has been sentenced to 45 days in jail for assaulting G20 protestor Adam Nobody. Const. Babak Andalib-Goortani was convicted in September of assault with a weapon and for using excessive force during Nobody's arrest outside the Ontario legislature on June 26, 2010. He was immediately granted bail pending an appeal.

The TTC will again be free of charge on New Year's Eve thanks to Corby Spirit and Wine, the makers of Wiser's, Jameson, and Absolut Vodka, and who are probably the very people that got you drunk in the first place. As usual, subway service will be extended until 7 a.m. New Year's Day. Cheers to that.

Thousands of police officers from across the country gathered at the Toronto Congress Centre yesterday for the funeral of Const. John Zivcic, the police officer who died in a car crash last week responding to an emergency call. "He was authentic; what you see is what you got. He had tenderness, respect and courage," his brother, Tom Zivcic, said in tribute.

The statue of Winston Churchill in Nathan Phillips Square is on the move again. The statue of Britain's wartime prime minister, hands on hips, was shifted from the Queen West side of the square in the Fall to make way for a planned restaurant, which seems to have stalled.

Finally, the TTC has officially launched Wi-Fi at St. George and Bloor-Yonge stations. The wireless internet is available free of charge (as long as you don't mind watching an advert) and will eventually be rolled out across the subway. Plans to add cell reception appear to have stalled out.

IN BRIEF:

Chris Bateman is a staff writer at blogTO. Follow him on Twitter at @chrisbateman.

Image: Ryan/blogTO Flickr pool.

Discussion

101 Comments

CW / December 10, 2013 at 08:39 am
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Four people standing at St George obnoxiously telling people that there was free WiFi. Who paid for that?
Robert replying to a comment from CW / December 10, 2013 at 08:52 am
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A private company paid the TTC for the privileged. So, yes, it is free, you pay by watching a 15s commercial.
Jeff / December 10, 2013 at 08:55 am
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Ford more years!
I have to agree with Rob on this one. Not saying he hasnt done anything wrong but lets keep it to any charges and crimes. The police report was written knowing it to become public, why did they not keep it to just the facts that would be raised in court and not include things like pictures of Ford peeing in a park, etc. There is alot in the report that is just noise and placed for the media to run with.
iSkyscraper / December 10, 2013 at 09:02 am
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The police officer who assaulted Adam Nobody could be considered, perhaps, to have been "politically motivated".

Chief Blair investigating a street drug network which Rob Ford was found to be deeply involved with? Not so much.

Wake up.
Steve / December 10, 2013 at 09:04 am
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Maybe somebody should have asked Ford why he preferred being a football coach for kids to his actual Mayoral duties...
Jeff / December 10, 2013 at 09:14 am
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No one said Rob was innocent or that the investigation was not needed. Please explain what peeing in a park or disgarded vodka bottles has to do with the drug network and how these facts will be presented in court.
Skye / December 10, 2013 at 09:17 am
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Jeff...you spelled your name wrong. It's D-A-V-E.
Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 09:21 am
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An open letter to City of Toronto Mayor;

Dear Rob,

You need to lay off the Chief. He was just doing his job. You were in desperate need of an intervention and you got one. You're angry now, but you won't be forever. The longer you stay clean and sober, the better your perception and understanding of the facts. The Chief, the City of Toronto, and people world wide have a right to be shocked and disappointed by your actions.

In your defence, there is definitely a movement out there (lead by the likes of Adam Vaughan, Shelly Carroll, Jay Robinson, and Joe Mihvec), that are trying to defend their sad positions by making you look bad (because everyone knows their harrassment of you started long before this mess with the police started). I'm not of the mindset the Chief is your enemy. He was responding to pressure put on him by the media, and liberal politicians. Chief Blair and that judge didn't need to release those tapes (video, or audio). That's where they went wrong, and it does appear they were doing you a favor (even if there were some embarrassing, humiliating moments for you), by letting people know YOU WEREN'T ON THOSE WIRETAPS AT ALL over a six month period.

As for the sniveling Daniel Dale, I believe he was at your home not only taking pictures, but eavesdropping too. When you confiscated his phone, you should've asked for his second phone ( yes, media people carry more than one form of video recording device on their person, just like drug dealers and prostitutes do).

You're not doing yourself a favor by constantly rehashing this mess, in interviews. People (for the most part) just want to move on with their lives, and you should too. Show up at public venues, get on with your job, and get back to talking about you platform (yes, start now).

There's nothing you can do about the level of ignorance coming your way, so just focus on the good around you and try and figure a way to ease peoples minds, through your political platform.

"Keep it simple."

Your loyal friend,
Shirley

P.S. When the time is right, you (and Doug) owe the Chief an apology.
Jeff / December 10, 2013 at 09:24 am
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Funny how anyone that has a difference of opinion is not taken serious and you just write it off as Dave. I'm not Dave, thank you very much. I see you're not looking to have an intelligent discussion about our thoughts and feelings on the issues of the day. You can go back to jumping in with quick remarks then not backing them up in anyway. Good Day.
Skye / December 10, 2013 at 09:34 am
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Awww, Shirl...you forgot to add little hearts at the bottom.
Shitley replying to a comment from Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 09:41 am
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It's not over yet. More revelations about drugs and escorts to come.

Dale wasn't eavesdropping. Come off it.

Past tense of "lead" is "led", Canadian spelling is favoUr. Traitor.

Now STFU.
duder replying to a comment from Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 09:56 am
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In other news, down is up, east is west, and shit smells like flowers.
Moran b eeghuzzar / December 10, 2013 at 10:05 am
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The following are running for mayor in 2014 on the 'I've apologized let's move on platform': Conrad Black, Charles Manson, Albert Speer, Alan Eagleson, Richard Nixon's ghost, etc. I'd vote for that for a dollar, since they've all fixed my backed-up sewer.
Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 10:21 am
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Ewwww...I stepped in SKYE...duder, lick my boots will yah?

Thanks for pointing out my very first spelling error, in four weeks of posting. You're the bomb.
Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 10:29 am
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Shitley-No? He was just sniffing the paint on the fence surrounding the Mayors home then?
Steve / December 10, 2013 at 10:31 am
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Rob had Shirley at "hello".
Skye replying to a comment from Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 10:38 am
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I think Shirl just tried to make a funny, you guys. It's always hard to tell with her rather poor writing skills.

You poor old bat, I do get under your skin, don't I?
Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 11:01 am
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You know you could all come together and remove my powers as a blogger.
Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 11:05 am
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SKYE - At least I have a sense of humor.
iSkyscraper / December 10, 2013 at 11:08 am
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One of the things that makes Rob Ford supporters look stupid is when they continue to try and spin things that are obviously fact. There is no video, it's not crack in the video, Rob wasn't drunk at the Danforth, etc. etc. There are plenty of arguments to be made to support a crackhead mayor holding public office (hey, it worked for Marion Berry), but no one will believe you if you continue to say things that are simply lies.

Daniel Dale was investigating the perimeter of Ford's house because the Mayor filed an extremely rare and unusual application to buy city parkland to annex to his yard. This is a very strange thing for an elected official to do, especially a sitting mayor, since it would obviously be seen as a possible abuse of power. The Star was right to find out what the story was and Ford should not have been surprised to find reporters walking around the public land he intended to buy. If you don't want reporters walking by your back yard, don't try to expand it into the city park next door. (Parallel theory - if you don't want the chief of police to investigate you for smoking crack and consorting with drug dealers, don't smoke crack or consort with drug dealers. Amazing how that works.)

"Victim" claims like these simply undermine whatever other point you wish to make about Ford having turned a corner and promising not to be so belligerent, stupid, abusive, oafish, boorish, lowbrow, wrong, drunk, high, illiterate, uncontrolled, rude, slow-witted, near-sighted, selfish, blind, embarrassing, unfocused, petty, retrograde, caustic, uncooperative, crude, simple-minded, crass, erroneous, etc. in the future.

Jamies Cryin / December 10, 2013 at 11:13 am
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Don't worry about Skye. Skye has nothing of value to add in any of these discussions, just likes to derail everything. Were no longer discussing the issues that effect our city but instead discussing spelling, grammer, who funny, whos sarcastic. FORGET SKYE. DONT FALL INTO THE SKYE TRAP.
Qvestion replying to a comment from Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 11:15 am
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Ok Shirley, let's get down to business here. Clearly you still support Rob Ford, so let's ask.

Why?

Why, exactly, do you continue to support this man in his political career?

Please post your reasons without snark, without playing the poor victim Ford card, without trashing anyone.
Toni / December 10, 2013 at 11:15 am
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The biggest news about the Statue of Sir Winston Churchill is Nathan Phillips Square is getting $50-million restoration.
Jamies Cryin / December 10, 2013 at 11:30 am
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Can everyone back away from SKYE. SKYE usually takes a second pill around noon and then usually is back if full force. Let's give the pill a little while to digest.
Jeff / December 10, 2013 at 11:32 am
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Ford more years!

Take it to the polls people, all your jibber jabber is doing nothing!!!
Donald / December 10, 2013 at 11:39 am
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Shut your hole iCockKnocker! Rob was ELECTED to be our Mayor. Deal with it, take it to the polls.
Jules / December 10, 2013 at 11:43 am
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Once again Ford Nation will be at the polls in 2014 showing full support. Are you lefty wanna be's gonna show up this time or are you gonna blame Robs 2014 win on voter apathy from your side.
Skye replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / December 10, 2013 at 11:55 am
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The thing is, they really DO think poor lil' Robby is a victim. They think he's been ruthlessly bullied by the Evil Liberal Elite Who Want To Tax Us To Death And Make Us Ride Bikes Everywhere.

That's why the Ford Nation holdouts are still convinced he's "
one of the little guys" while the rest of us can see he's just an overgrown spoiled rich kid.
Qvestion / December 10, 2013 at 11:56 am
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Ok, my question to Shirley is now extended to cover Jules, Donald, Jeff and anyone else who is claiming support for Rob Ford.

Why, exactly, do you continue to support this man in his political career?

Please post your reasons without snark, without playing the poor victim Ford card, without trashing anyone.

In short, respond like an adult. Thank you.
Rich / December 10, 2013 at 12:06 pm
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More lefty finger pointing without an action plan. That is what they're best at. "We want Ford out. Just need someone else to actully do it"

Lets all hold hands and repeat after me - Kumbya my lord, Kumbya
Jacob / December 10, 2013 at 12:08 pm
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Talking to Fordites is like talking to a brick wall.

The other day I was talking to one, and she was going on about how city councillors just "gave themselves a raise". I said that Rob just gave all his office staff a $5000 (taxpayer money) raise, and hired his old high school buddy for double the normal salary. She quickly changed the subject to something else that annoyed her.
Rich / December 10, 2013 at 12:20 pm
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I voted for Ford and I have respect for our political and judical systems. Im supporting Rob until these aligations are proven to be true. I respect the man for staying to face the music, and remain accountable for his actions. Its too easy for our politicians to get off the hook by simply resigning.

Why are you now not protesting TPS and the courts to bring this man in to speak under oath? They set you up with the information, are they gonna take action? Maybe if you demand it from them.
Dave is Shirley is Jeff is Donald is Dave et all / December 10, 2013 at 12:21 pm
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Loser
Love it / December 10, 2013 at 12:29 pm
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I love how one person is posting as different accounts to support ford. It is cute.
Qvestion replying to a comment from Rich / December 10, 2013 at 12:30 pm
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The allegation regarding his crack cocaine use is admitted to by him. It stands to reason that many other allegations will be proven true as well.

He's not actually staying to face the music when he denies and dodges until he can no longer do so. It's trying to avoid the music at all costs until the rug is pulled out from under him, as is the constant deflecting and accusations.

He's not truly acting like a man being accountable for his actions.

I'm not now protesting because I'd rather let the police do their work, which is not an instantaneous thing. This is real life, not CSI.
Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 12:44 pm
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iSkyscraper-Most Torontonians are logical people. They can make up their own minds based on the facts.

FYI-There is a crack video; Rob did lie about it (I'm cutting him some slack, as he was being blackmailed-extorted-by violent gang members, you can put your own spin on it if you wish); Rob got drunk a number of times (lots of people in Toronto party); Rob was targetted by the media (on air, in newspapers, on the internet, through the court system on more than one occasion); and he was targetted by City Councillors. Do you think I'm missing anything here? Think there's any other piece of information I might be able to use? Don't know why you feel that Ford Nation isn't aware of all of the facts. We know better than anybody. But as reasonable, forgiving people were not blind to the big picture here. That's why we support him, and will continue to do so. Things need to change around here and lots of Torontonians know it. It also hasn't escaped us that Rob was incredibly humiliated, and he was very sorry for his lack of good judgement during his free time. Rob made changes to his lifestyle and I am proud of him for making those changes. Everybody including Rob deserves a second chance, and he deserves our support.

Oh yeah the perimeter issue. Rob Fords neighbors SAW him at Robs fence and I BELIEVE THEM. As for that application he made for that plot of land? He made it AFTER the media started spying on him. Nice try.

Qvestion-Are you dictating to me? LOL -Thought you knew me better than that. I don't need to justify my decisions to you, but if you're truly interested, you can follow my posts in other threads, as my reasons have been well documented throughout this blog.

JamiesCryin-Thanks for your support.

Much love to all of Ford Nation present today.
Jesus moment / December 10, 2013 at 12:55 pm
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Hi Dave this just in, Ford had another Jesus moment.
Al / December 10, 2013 at 01:02 pm
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The TTC is rushing boldly into the 1990s.
Jacob replying to a comment from Rich / December 10, 2013 at 01:04 pm
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The police have asked Rob Ford to come in and talk to them on multiple occasions, but he refuses.
Qvestion replying to a comment from Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 01:12 pm
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Dictating? WTF? No. Do you think that anyone asking you a question is dictating to you?

I asked you AND OTHERS a simple question. Answer it or ignore it.
You're wrong / December 10, 2013 at 01:27 pm
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Those who voted for Ford and continue to support him are complicit. They are as Ford responsible for the mess inflicted by Ford on the city of Toronto. Using the excuse that he was voted in is a weak defence. His undignified and bullying behaviour is supported by you. No, nobody is perfect, but we cannot allow someone of this stature to say, I apologize, while continuing to exhibit the same behaviour and get away with it. Is that our last measure? The man hasn't been charged? That he was voted in? That he's been charged with drunk driving? That he's misused city money? He's sets a terrible example for this city, for his own children? He's been the focus of calls around domestic violence against his wife? Where is the line in the sand drawn? Do you draw it at affiliation with people who killed someone because he had a video of mayor smoking drugs? Drinking excessively in public and urininating in parks? Possibly transporting (trafficking) drugs in his escalade? Exactly where is the line drawn? Those nostalgic about the old days are wrong. This is childish 21st century behaviour only tolerated now in the days of reality tv. It's distasteful, it's offensive, it's misogynist, it needs to stop
Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 01:30 pm
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Jacob-LoL, When I see leftee's, I see people running into brick walls, landing on their butts, getting up and doing it all over again. PEOPLE, the definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over again, expecting different results.

Love it-You don't need to make such a fuss on my account, I see you.
Rich replying to a comment from Jacob / December 10, 2013 at 01:32 pm
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ASKING is not bringing him in they way you want. If they're just asking its his choice whether he wants to waste time going there for nothing.

Drag him from his office or summons him to appear.
Again the Tax Payers should be protesting the TPS to bring him in. Otherwise your sitting back frustrated that nothing is happening - is that because they really have nothing on him?
Derek / December 10, 2013 at 01:35 pm
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Love it, Qvestion, Skye and Duder - please just use one username. Each one of your split personalities doesn't require its own username.

Thanks,
FORD NATION
Bart replying to a comment from Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 01:42 pm
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Jerry Sandusky also has supporters.
Qvestion replying to a comment from Derek / December 10, 2013 at 01:43 pm
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Sigh. I'm not associated with any other poster of any political leaning one way or the other. Nor do I think that anyone here is a sock puppet of any kind.

Am I not allowed to ask why people support a particular politician? Does asking that simple and straightforward question automatically open me to a variety of outlandish accusations? Sock puppeting. Dictating. What's next?

answer the question or ignore it.
Donnie / December 10, 2013 at 01:46 pm
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Must be cold outside. All the Bellwoods drunks are indoors posting today.
Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 01:47 pm
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Qvestion-You WEREN'T simply asking a question, you were dictating HOW I should answer it. You posted: "Please post your reasons without snark, without playing the poor victim Ford card, without trashing anyone." That dear boy is DICTATING! You leftee's can sure dish it out, but you sure can't take it.
Rich replying to a comment from Qvestion / December 10, 2013 at 01:48 pm
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Exactly the TPS had a CSI moment this summer and now they don't know what to do with it. Big time operation which lead to nothing.

Murder she wrote, murder she wrote
Derek replying to a comment from Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 01:52 pm
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EXACTLY. This is why the lefties never venture out of their comfort zones to debate us where the Ford support is.

Sitting at home posting comments isn't going to do anything. If they want to change perceptions and deal with Ford Nation, they should come out to some of the community meetings outside of downtown Toronto to debate the facts, support and decisions along with us.
Skye / December 10, 2013 at 01:57 pm
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Now, now, Shirl...Qvestion said "please". Dictators don't say please.

We get it, though. You won't respond because that would require thinking, and that's something you clearly avoid at all costs.
Qvestion replying to a comment from Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 01:59 pm
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Because it's far easier to get your point across (re: support of a man surrounded by scandals) when you do so in a calm, reasonable manner. Because snark, the victim card, trashing people, makes me very unlike to actually read your reasoning and strongly disposed to dismissing you as a worthless crackpot rather than a fellow human being with an opinion.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that a calm reasonable manner was an impossible thing, that to request such was tantamount to dictating.

And I'm a woman, thanks for playing.

Now, I'm really sick and tired of all this stupid back and forthing. I do not need to defend my question and you do not actually need to defend your support. Either you are capable of outlining your reasons for supporting Rob Ford in a calm, reasonable, mature, adult manner or you aren't.

Because I just want to know the fucking reasons, ok?
Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 01:59 pm
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Qvestion: You can ask, just don't tell people how to respond.
Qvestion replying to a comment from Rich / December 10, 2013 at 02:00 pm
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I think you missed my point. I also think you may not fully understand how police investigations work.
Qvestion replying to a comment from Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 02:06 pm
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You know what? I don't think I care to know what your reasons are. you are clearly incapable of articulating them in a manner that allows someone to actually listen to what you are saying. you clearly prefer to cloak whatever those reasons are in a veil of nastiness against anyone who holds a different viewpoint.

I'm sorry I ever bothered to waste my time with you. You are not a fellow human being with an opinion, you are a worthless crackpot. I'll leave you to play with the rest.

Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 02:12 pm
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Deryk-That would be ideal, but as you can see from some of the bloggers on this site, they have tunnel vision.
Jeff replying to a comment from Qvestion / December 10, 2013 at 02:35 pm
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Qvestion I need 500 words by end of day on your ideas of whom should run in the 2014 election and what makes them better than Ford. Let's keep sarcasm, threats and rude comments out of it.

Make it happen. I need this by EOD!
Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 02:44 pm
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Qvestion-So you know more about police proceedure than I? You know you think you could've offered some insight with your magnificent grasp of police proceedures. There's lots of nasty people looking for dirt on Rob Ford.

Sorry, didn't know you were a woman. Your user name doesn't say what sex you are.

You are over-reacting. I don't recall anyone calling you a sock puppet, but it appears you're taking all posts personally.

I'm not here to change your mind or persuade you (or anyone else for that matter), I'm just here to state all of the facts, and not just the ones that some people would want us to believe.

I have no problem with you or anyone else ignoring me.

Jules replying to a comment from Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 02:48 pm
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I love how they often state "you clearly don't understand..." but then they don't provide any further understanding from their end to help see their point.

Ohh well stay high and mighty
NOJETS!!!! / December 10, 2013 at 02:51 pm
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Health board rejects Porter plan

City’s top doctor concludes that even without expansion, Island airport causing negative health impacts

http://nowtoronto.com/news/story.cfm?content=195764
Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 02:52 pm
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Jeff-LMAOROTF!
iSkyscraper replying to a comment from Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 02:54 pm
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I try to make it a point not to respond to people's comments but I'm fascinated by the logic at play here by someone intelligent enough to operate a keyboard. (i.e. ruling out the thousand-monkeys theory, though I had to think about it first)

To summarize:

- There is a crack video - agreed

- Rob Ford lied about the video - agreed

- Rob Ford gets a pass about lying about the video because he was being blackmailed - No. Since the point of the blackmail was to expose him as someone who smokes crack, admitting that he did so would immediately end the threat of blackmail. This argument makes no sense.

- Rob got drunk a number of times and liked to "party" - Agreed.

- Rob gets a pass for getting drunk because lots of people do it. - No. As a private citizen, absolutely he would. But as a holder of public office, specifically mayor, no, he does not. How could one possibly argue otherwise? He's not Joe Schmo working some 9-to-5 menial job. In 2013 it is not acceptable to have a major office held by someone who likes to "party". Didn't work for Berlosconi, didn't work for Strauss-Kahn, didn't work for Weiner. Didn't work for any of the people listed under a google search of "politician resigned drinking problem". (Clinton should have resigned as well, frankly.) Sex, drugs, or alcohol, there should be standards that don't need explaining. Rob didn't just tiptoe over this line, he blew past it at full speed, repeatedly, in multiple fashions. Once the Economist starts talking about your behaviour, it's time to resign: http://www.economist.com/news/americas/21589484-rob-ford-confesses-all-manner-vices-will-not-resign-what-do-drunken-mayor

- Rob was targeted by the media and council. - No, but I appreciate the spin. Rob has very polarizing views, does not like to apologize, and enjoys a fight. He insulted anyone who didn't agree with him on Day 1 of being Mayor. Obviously some members of the media and council disagreed with him from the beginning and called him out on various policy and behavioural actions. I call that the media/political opposition doing its job; you call it "targeting". Note that Rob did have plenty of allies in the media and on council at first and slowly lost them all through his refusal to answer questions, his lying denials, no-consequences apologies, his pattern of voting against everything, including his own budgets. That is definitely not "targeting" - that is a downright historic series of blunders. What other mayor of the city, of any political persuasion, has ever had all four newspapers and almost every non-related councillor demanding he resign? In Rob's case, where there is fire, there is smoke.

- Media were snooping around Ford before he tried to buy the land. False. The only time the media checked out the back and side yard was when the application was made to buy the land. The Fords wrote the letter to the TRCA on April 27, the Star published an article about it on May 2, and Ford chased Dale from the area behind his yard on the night of May 2. And any media presence in front of Ford's house in general over the years was simply a function of his refusal to hold press conferences, something no sitting official on this continent does. Public officials must be asked questions from time to time, and if they won't hold press conferences it is hard to blame the press for camping on their driveway to beg for quotes. The media circus is entirely of Ford's creation, like most of his issues.

- Rob Ford saves money. Debatable. While you didn't mention this, it is the usual argument for defending Rob's foibles. The problem is that he is a Populist first, and a conservative second. There are many instances of gravy on Rob's bib, be it Deco Label-related, infrastructure in the wrong place just to buy votes, cancelled contracts and wrongful termination payments. I believe Rob is fiscally-minded at heart and really doesn't want to waste money, and I applaud his anti-union stance, but I also believe he is not smart enough to know when to spend money in order to save money, nor is he smart enough to understand costly, expensive infrastructure issues. City departments have tightened their belt, but was that due to fear of an irrational Ford, recessionary pressures, or good management by others not named Rob Ford (del Grande, Holyday, etc.)? What is clear is that Rob lies about how much he has saved, which undermines the belief that he saved anything in the first place. When 2+2 = "a billion", you can't really be sure.

- Rob was incredibly humiliated - Not buying it. Based on his media blitz, yelling at council, etc. it's not clear if he really understands what people were trying to criticize him of. Even if he was "humiliated" it's of no one's fault but his own. Saying sorry without actually facing any consequences is not exactly making amends. Hey, I ran over a guy last night while I was driving drunk and high, but no need to arrest me, I'm sorry, I've been humiliated, won't happen again. There, all better now. Until Rob resigns or is arrested, he's not appropriately humiliated.

- Rob made changes to his lifestyle. - Unclear. He seems to be going to the gym more. Not sure that's one of the twelve steps for addressing alcohol and drug dependency. And he is still advised by couple-pops-in-the-basement Doug, which is a huge problem. At present there just isn't evidence to support this claim.

- Everybody including Rob deserves a second chance, and he deserves our support. - No. As applied to politicians, the second chance is supposed to come when you resign, make amends, rebuild your support and then run for public office again in the future. It's not instant absolution because you say "oops, that outrageous, unfit-for-office thing I lied about, sorry about that. Let's move on"

- Rob hangs out with criminals. You missed that one. A major no-no for any public official, about which Rob has said absolutely nothing other than "it's before the courts".

- "Things need to change around here and lots of Torontonians know it". No argument. There is plenty of hay to be made of a need for a large city to be well run and tightly managed, with one hand watching the kitty and the other planning properly for the future. (See: Bloomberg, New York, 2000-2012, fantastic success.) The question is, why back Ford when he has proven not to be this person?



The more time passes, the more the shock waves from Ford subside and everything drifts back the usual fictional Ford Nation talking points, even though the evidence is now quite clear that they are all hot air. I just don't get it.

Skye / December 10, 2013 at 03:02 pm
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*Cue DaveJeffJules and Shirley screeching at iSkyScraper that s/he's not a Torontonian and to stay out of Toronto's business*
Alex / December 10, 2013 at 03:35 pm
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Geez, Ford supporters still come on here just to post nonsense? And people still argue with them despite the fact that they just don't care? Comment sections sure have gone downhill since Ford was mayor.

A real interview of Ford would probably be pretty boring. What do you do as an interviewer when someone just keeps saying lies? If you push him he'd just keep repeating the lies, or get upset and leave. I don't think he can be properly interviewed, since he knows his fan base is so stupid and lazy they'll just blindly believe anything he says.
Jeff replying to a comment from Skye / December 10, 2013 at 03:47 pm
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Cue Skye putting words in peoples mouths again. Have you nothing of your own to add?
Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 05:44 pm
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iSkyscraper-Well I feel so priveledged you took the time to respond to my post.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on some points (I won't be repeating them here).

Polarizing opinions? He's a Conservative, one of the few on City Council. His opinions would differ from that of the left wouldn't they?

He STILL has the support of some councillors on the quiet. They can't show any other face in public because the media forced it. Oh I know who the real haters are like Carroll, Mihevc, Vaughan, Davis, (and the like) but seriously, they don't matter to me. They've got dirt inches thick on them for the bad decisions they've made.

So you think the economists run the city now? Power to the people baby (that's all of them). Lots of bantering at The Economist, just like here. Maybe some names of economists with direct comments about the Mayor would've given weight to your statement. All I saw was another news article on Rob Ford, at The Econmist.

We at least agree on one thing, we want what's best for the city (well I do anyways). I will be re-electing Ford because: he listens to the people; I can see positive changes all around me because of Rob Fords policies; he has saved this city money (whether you choose to acknowledge it or not); and because he got so many people interested in politics. I believe the best of Rob Ford is yet to come, and that the change Rob promised the city will happen. Rob doesn't have to do all of these things by himself. There will be city councillors and city staff that will work as a team together provided this city plays its cards right.

I'm sure Qvestion will appreciate your efforts on her behalf.

So are you male or female? The reason I ask is I thought Qvestion was a male (and now I know she is not).
Shirley / December 10, 2013 at 05:53 pm
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Jeff-No, she's always like that.
Jeff replying to a comment from Qvestion / December 10, 2013 at 11:40 pm
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I thought I said make it happen. I needed this by EOD!
EOD is now. Did you get the MSGs.
You've got 20 mins Qvestion! I'm serious, are you credible?
BB / December 10, 2013 at 11:42 pm
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If its gonna be that kinda party I'm a stick......
Matt replying to a comment from Jeff / December 11, 2013 at 12:28 am
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You need this by a Ford automatic transmission? Weird. the EOD wasn't really a great moment for the company though but well, it did the job.
Matt replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / December 11, 2013 at 12:29 am
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No work in New York for you to do Dearie?
Meow replying to a comment from Alex / December 11, 2013 at 12:31 am
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" What do you do as an interviewer when someone just keeps saying lies? If you push him he'd just keep repeating the lies, or get upset and leave."

Hmm, maybe find someone who'd interviewed Jack Layton. I'm sure they'd have the answer.
Shirley / December 11, 2013 at 02:17 am
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Meow-Jack Layton is one of the reasons I do not vote NDP. Everytime I hear his name I visualize him naked at a massage parlor, with police catching him in the act. I know that's weird, but I got so grossed out when I heard it in the news, I guess I got traumatized. Gross.
Shirley / December 11, 2013 at 02:35 am
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You're wrong-Gosh, sorry I missed you. You know the lead investigator in the case would just love to hear your evidence. Why don't you give them a call.
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Shirley / December 14, 2013 at 02:17 am
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You silly bitch, try and learn about your city before you vote, or at least learn something about the society you live in. How the frack do you even call yourself a human being with a brain and still try to justify what Ford is even doing?
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