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Olivia Chow struggles in latest mayoral poll

Posted by Derek Flack / August 8, 2014

Olivia ChowThe latest Forum Research poll on the Toronto mayoral race doesn't look so hot for Olivia Chow. As her numbers continue to slide, John Tory appears to have a eked out a solid lead as we enter the home stretch of the election. When compared with the last poll from the company conducted on July 21st, Chow lost four percentage points as Tory gained seven.

When when looks back to Forum's poll at the beginning of July that gap widens, with Chow dropping from 36 per cent to 25 per cent. Over that same period, Tory's numbers have increased from 27 per cent to 35. Tory also enjoys the highest approval rating of the candidates, coming in at 67 per cent to Chow's 52 (Ford comes in at 35 per cent).

Rob Ford's voter percentage remains consistent over the last four polls at 27 per cent. Both David Soknacki and Karen Stintz trail well behind the leading three candidates. I always feel it necessary to point out how unreliable poll numbers are, so I'm not entirely convinced that Chow's in quite as much trouble as the trend tracked her indicates, but it's certainly worthy of note that Forum's methods have her and John Tory's fortunes reversed in roughly the span of a month. Election day is October 27th, so there's roughly two and half more to go.

Photo from Olivia Chow's Facebook page



steve / August 8, 2014 at 09:22 am
And Toronto slowly comes to its senses
J / August 8, 2014 at 09:28 am
Fabulous news. Tory is the level headed, intelligent and responsible candidate...what we really need after Ford.
Don't you...Forget about me / August 8, 2014 at 09:29 am
Yes this is exactly why in some cases the longer campaign period is good. If it was only a few weeks Chow would've been voted in before we had a chance to know her.

And I see Chow's true colors shining through...

BUT LEST WE FORGET - October 27th is a long way away still...
Don't you...Forget about me replying to a comment from jabba52 / August 8, 2014 at 09:49 am
Yes she's not the savior many intially thought she was - her campaign promises, appearances and debates have proven that to many.
She only looked good in Rob Fords reflection but standing on her own she doesn’t look so good. Hopefully she get her promise of anyone but Ford, it just won’t be Chow.
Jacob replying to a comment from J / August 8, 2014 at 09:50 am
Tory is a stuffed-suit that just says what polling numbers tell him to say.
Oracle / August 8, 2014 at 10:12 am
As Chow becomes less of a contender more progressives will move to Soknacki, The better Soknacki looks in the polls the more centrists who don't love Tory will get behind Soknacki.

After every debate everyone seems to say Soknacki is the best option too bad he doesn't stand a chance. Chow's numbers leaking over to Soknacki will have all those people reconsidering. The Star will endorse Soknacki and Soknacki will win this race. mark my words!!!
James replying to a comment from Oracle / August 8, 2014 at 10:39 am
I hope you're right, Oracle.

As things move along Soknacki's been the stand-out for actually having his own plan and vision and generally being competent.

If people weren't all trying to find THE candidate who can beat Ford, I think they'd be supporting him. Chow or Tory are still the best bet for ditching Robbie, but they don't seem like the best people for the job.
soused / August 8, 2014 at 10:49 am
So a landline poll skews conservative, who cares?
no replying to a comment from soused / August 8, 2014 at 10:51 am
most polls aren't landline any more. sorry..
Doug / August 8, 2014 at 10:52 am
27 per cent support for Rob Ford? Really? Sigh.
Grampa / August 8, 2014 at 10:59 am
Forum polls are landline polls.
Chowtimehurtstummy / August 8, 2014 at 11:00 am
I hate Ford, but Chow and Layton ripped off the city with public housing and knew what they were doing. Every speech they both made were full of BS. Just because they were far left doesn't mean they aren't full of crap. I worked on a campaign that she was involved in 10 years ago and she was a clueless nightmare. She has no vision, just reads off paper. Some say Tory is "right wing" so it be more of Ford, I would say Ford is incompetent and so is Chow, they both are more of the same. Tory is more of a centrist now. Tory is not perfect, but if we have to pick he is the guy. He has the only transit plan that can be built in time, Chow's is insane and won't even be good to go until 2034 or something ridiculous. If Chow gets in we're still in Ford county, and when she messes it up there won't be crack to blame.
ADC / August 8, 2014 at 11:03 am
Where do polls actually come from? Are the regulated by the government, I have never found it convenient to participate poll? I am betting my money that allot of people don't participate in them either.. at least I do not know anyone that has done so.. So personally I don't take polls that seriously, unfortunately I bet most people do. I bet allot of those folks will vote for whoever they think is in the lead despite the actual numbers of people who where planning to vote. So I feel like poll are politically motivated, and people like Tory would have the correct assets to grease the wheels in that respect.
False leader / August 8, 2014 at 11:31 am
Kouvalis knows people are lemmings. He won the election for ford with bs polls and now he is buying these polls to win the election for Tory.
Aaron / August 8, 2014 at 11:46 am
I do recall it was too close to call the provincial election. The one person & party that had the most negative publicity from the media was Wynne & liberals.

I've always equated polls to disinformation rackets. Don't fall for this trap.
O.Chow / August 8, 2014 at 11:53 am
Just resting
Dunni replying to a comment from soused / August 8, 2014 at 11:58 am
There has only been one poll that included cell phones, and the numbers were 39.1% for Tory and 32.7% for Chow.
Parker replying to a comment from False leader / August 8, 2014 at 12:05 pm
soused replying to a comment from Dunni / August 8, 2014 at 12:08 pm
Tory publicly stated in 2007 he was open to selling beer in convenience stores, that poll you sited was commissioned by Ontario Convenience Stores Association, it's no surprise Tory won.
Karen / August 8, 2014 at 01:07 pm
Now it's Stintzy's time to shine!
will I was / August 8, 2014 at 01:15 pm
79 more days until election night still a looooong way to go folks but looks like the stars are aligning and things are falling into place nicely.
Stu / August 8, 2014 at 01:19 pm
Its not who's winning its whos slipping!
jakeg / August 8, 2014 at 01:28 pm
Didnt Tory recommend condos at Ontario Place?
I like him but Im concerned about his lack of respect for public spaces and what could be a condo-development type of guy

Would love to hear them debate about THAT!

Tangiers / August 8, 2014 at 01:33 pm
Does this mean shell have to move back to a housing coop? Ohh no thats right shes getting two fat hefty pensions from the tax payers. She only promised to give one back if elected mayor once after she was called out for it.
Tory it is! / August 8, 2014 at 01:37 pm
YES Tory did present the plan that the Province is now using for Ontario place minus the condo recommendation. Still a big win for Tory all of the other recommendations are going trough.
ChowHound / August 8, 2014 at 01:53 pm
Olivia Chow is a really terrible person, in my opinion. I'm glad she is no longer representing downtown Toronto. I hope she never represents all of Toronto. She should quit politics.
kn / August 8, 2014 at 01:54 pm
Who votes for Olivia Chow and her replicant Adam Vaughan? I mean, other than people living in public housing (a large contingent of voters in the area voting for these reps). I understand why TCHC residents would vote for the self proclaimed, politically enlightened Olivia and Adam. In fact, I would vote for them if they promised me a brand new town house in the middle of the city. That's one sweet payoff. But for all of you hard working condo dwellers, are you so politically ignorant that you don't know that it was Adam and Olivia who fully support the TCHC and their back room deals?
soused / August 8, 2014 at 02:04 pm
I'm voting Olivia Chow, who would trust conservatives with this city again?
Tony / August 8, 2014 at 02:22 pm
You guys are a bunch of blow hards. You all know Ford is gonna win. He feels like hes back in Foteball camp. Long and strong Ford more years. Ford mas quarto anos!!

Montgomery triangle is awesome!!
d / August 8, 2014 at 02:32 pm
Wishing for a candidate with a little vision and a little pizzazz. Move along folks, nothing to see here, sadly.

Common Sense / August 8, 2014 at 02:42 pm
Thank GAWD she's behind in the polls. Let's pray for the sake of this city that people come to their senses and vote for whoever can defeat Chow. Well, except Ford. If it's between the two I'm just not voting.
rebound / August 8, 2014 at 03:21 pm
As we we're running away from Ford, we may have snuggled with Olivia abit, I'm glad were not running straight into her arms. A rebound relationship is never good.
the lemur replying to a comment from kn / August 8, 2014 at 03:24 pm
A mixed-income co-op is not 'public housing'.

And if there are backroom deals going on with TCHC, why haven't Gene Jones and Rob Ford been able to find them and do anything about them?
Hyph3n / August 8, 2014 at 04:24 pm
I'm a former card-carrying member of the federal NDP. . . And I'll almost certainly be voting for Tory this fall. The transit plan alone nearly seals the deal.
Headline October 28-already printed / August 8, 2014 at 04:59 pm
FORD LOSES! FORD LOSES! FORD LOSES!.....and not one mention of who won. In honour of Ford losing, a public holiday is declared for October 27 every year, called 'Fordfucker Day' to remind everyone to vorte carefully. BTW: Soknacki Rules!
Soknacki...The Smart Tory / August 8, 2014 at 05:07 pm
Just Vote the Sok!!!
Adam Sobolak replying to a comment from kn / August 8, 2014 at 06:05 pm
"Who votes for Olivia Chow and her replicant Adam Vaughan? I mean, other than people living in public housing (a large contingent of voters in the area voting for these reps)."

Actually, kn, you seem to forget that not only are Vaughan and Chow are of different political parties; but what put Vaughan over the top federally was the condo vote, not the "public housing" vote (which, through rampant development and gentrification, is less and less of a factor in Trinity-Spadina). As the Liberal candidate, Vaughan also happened to be the "anti-Chow" candidate in a seat where the Conservatives had no chance (and, indeed, the Cons lost their deposit, barely over the Green tally).
Conservatism is dead / August 8, 2014 at 07:02 pm
Ford first, then Harper. Tory, a red tory conservative in sheep's clothing, may yet lose. Olivia for the win! Ford SUX!
Arturonumbnuts / August 8, 2014 at 07:07 pm
If Arturo was elected, would make the 50s singer Fabian, a Toronto icon. It is historical fact that Arturo has been pineing for Fabian since puberty. The ultimate fruitcake, Arturo will please everyone by locking himself in the closet and throwing away the key. Do it NOW, Arturo!
NumbestNuts / August 8, 2014 at 07:21 pm
Atleast Aurturo is talking in reality about the real candidates. Whats next from numbnuts "if Santa Claus was elected... ". Stay with us in reality here
Kn / August 8, 2014 at 07:37 pm
Lemur, Atkinson coop is public housing. All of its funding comes from TCHC and the city. The taxpayers are paying for the complete demolition and rebuild of its property. Gene Jones was fired trying to weed out the self indulgent TCHC employees who insist on clinging to the antiquated patriarchal system that refuses to believe that Atkinson is not a publicly funded ghetto. Adam Vaughan and TCHC reps cut a deal with the residents of Atkinson coop without one single real consultation with the public. Lemur, you are completely out of your league if you believe otherwise. I'm speaking from personal knowledge on this topic. Gene took a golden parachute because nobody at TCHC WANTED CHANGE. It's the same old idiotic ideology of the 60s that Adam and Olivia seem to can't let go of. The belief is overly simplified solution to a much more complex issue. It's based on the premise that these TCHC communities are victims. Not only are they victims but they are victims that have no obligation to the surrounding communities or to maintain the buildings or property. It's blind ignorance thinking that anybody can be respected as a participant of a modern society without the concept of obligations to the society in which they live.
Pfft replying to a comment from Kn / August 8, 2014 at 11:26 pm
Coop housing gets it's funding from tchc? You are completely clueless? Is your entire life based on guessing? Do some research; facts exist. Many of us know them. You make yourself look silly
picard102 / August 8, 2014 at 11:33 pm
The candidate with the least to offer is falling in the polls after having run a campaign on finger waving, colour me surprised.
Kn is very silly / August 8, 2014 at 11:38 pm
Kn is my fave, a know nothing know it all, a walking oxyMORON.
Numbestnutsy / August 9, 2014 at 08:45 am
Look up "satire" in your dictionary before you post again and before you go back to work as Santa's elf.
Spike replying to a comment from ADC / August 9, 2014 at 09:09 am
Half of these polls have submissions from people who have landlines-this is (probably) why Chow's suffering in the polls compared to Solnacki and Tory. Myself, I like to think that our right-wing leaning neocon news media (in particular the Sun News Channel) is partly to blame, and not Chow herself (when you have a local version of Faux Noise [Fox News] spewing nasty invective about her (plus clueless people who vote against their own best interests as working class people), this result is what you'll get.)

If all we do get is Tory as mayor this November, we will be fucked-we don't need any more fiscal conservatives in power making public policy, but people willing to spend and tax to make things better and keep the city running, like Barack Obama and Mayor DeBlasio of New York.
Gus / August 9, 2014 at 12:07 pm
Ha ha ha here goes Spike. As always trust and praise the polls she Olivia's in the lead, she she's not the poll is now questionable. Would some one like to explain what's wrong with a land line poll? Let me guess you're stereotyping people with landlines as older generation conservatives.

A lot of people have land lines, I'd gladly do a poll on my land line. Either way if you register to be part of a research group you can give whatever number you like. If you give both a mobile and landline I can see why they'd call you at home and not when you possibly on the go and don't have time for surveys.
Zani / August 9, 2014 at 12:12 pm
Finally people are wakimng up and realizing Chows not what she appeared to be at first. Keep dressing up in costumes to fit in with every group you're trying to get votes from, even though we don't judge others based on appearance, right? Wonder what she'll dress up as for Taste of The Danforth? A souvlaki skewer? A Greek goddess?
DR Sanchez / August 9, 2014 at 12:30 pm
Wow!! Is Toronto ever a mess politically. Just vote for Ford--at least it is entertaining.

Montgomery is awesome!
kn replying to a comment from Pfft / August 9, 2014 at 04:16 pm
Atkinson coop is a mix of coop & TCHC residents. They are basically inseparable. The revitalization of the property is being spear headed by the city and TCHC. City council voted on the plan. Adam Vaughan held the meetings and made the promises for Zero displacement - well before he went public with the plan, I might add. The plans are splashed all over the TCHC and city web sites. The city of Toronto/TCHC, and in particular Adam Vaughan were in charge of the proposal. Whether the coop got the money from the province or feds is fundamentally irrelevant to the issues. Atkinson is a ghetto supported by public money - this includes the coop. It has been one of the highest crime neighbourhoods for over 4 decades and the property is collapsing. The coop residents and the TCHC residents used the property like toilet paper and now most of the property needs to be rebuilt.

Why do the residents of Atkinson believe they deserve something more than what the average citizen can afford? 350 town homes being rebuilt as public housing in downtown Toronto? What a joke. A town home in downtown Toronto is selling for more than a million dollars now. This is a flagrant example of a system out of touch with reality and unable to understand or respect the taxpayers. Olivia is in full support of this type of irresponsible waste.

If the coop wanted to actually function like a real coop, they would attempt to achieve self reliance. It wouldn't function on a publicly owned property.

Why doesn't Olivia pitch the idea of private ownership for coops? This would help residents actually develop wealth through ownership for their families. Oh right, that would mean the residents would need to take on responsibility for their own property and probably put a bunch of public servants out of work.
kn? / August 9, 2014 at 05:12 pm
kn=know nothing
Kn / August 9, 2014 at 10:47 pm
I know nothing? Let me guess, you work for Chow's office or TCHC or city planning ? These are the same incompetent clowns that took over 4 months to offer up an answer to even the most basic questions regarding the objectives or research behind the Atkinson and Regent park revitalizations. Olivia and Adam want to paint a pretty picture and the ultra right like Ford just don't want public housing in their neighbourhood.
Kn replying to a comment from kn=know nothing... / August 10, 2014 at 08:20 am
Another empty headed response to my comments. You must work for the TCHC or the city planning dept. That's how they respond to the public. No need for intelligence there. Just call a person a racist or nimby. Let's get Olivia or Adam on record telling us how surrounding the coop with condos will address the social issues of the neighbourhood or the crime. Or maybe they can explain how thousands of people being forced to live in one community isn't a ghetto. The city and TCHC refused to answer these questions directly.
kn+ / August 10, 2014 at 10:58 am
Why don't you ask them what the meaning of life is? Or maybe you could ask them to pay for your education-you know, you could get a B.CommS-a Bachelors of Common Sense. Of course, you wouldn't like your profs because they wouldn't give you the "answers".
kn / August 10, 2014 at 01:17 pm
Ah, the vacuous world of the NDP. B.commS!! Oh Boy. Sweet. Adam Vaughan or Olivia might want to consult a B.comm or an Economist. When the city pitched the Revitalization to the local community they told the audience that the project wasn't going to cost the taxpayers a dime. That little fib was corrected quickly when it was pointed out that the city was giving the developer 100s of millions of dollars of city land for free.

Adam and the city didn't think it important to study the impact on local residents or businesses nor didn't they consult the criminology professors at the university of Toronto or Ryerson who have been studying the social impact of change on the Regent park residents either. (which noted serious concerns about the positive impact of the revitalization there.)

In a normal business, the CEO, i.e. Adam Vaughan would have been fired for presenting a proposal to the shareholders without any real research to backup their plan. But not at the city.

Alllll steam ahead!!! We've got a Coop that thinks they aren't public housing. A community of thousands that mostly live under the poverty line who don't think they live in a ghetto. No worries. If our buildings fall down, we will get the government to rebuild them again. Gangs that shoot up the parking lot at Yorkdale shopping centre or the food court at Eaton centre? Meh, that's because the police don't do their job. Go Adam and Olivia!!!

Kn / August 10, 2014 at 08:52 pm
Ah, too many words. Here are some numbers for you.

Only 6 per cent of the city’s population lives in public housing, but last year, police publicly released statistics saying that in 2011, 22 per cent of the city’s homicides and 35 per cent of its shootings took place on or around TCHC properties

More than 155 such victims have been similarly registered by the TCHC over the past 10 years, according to a long list of homicides on or near properties, or involving people from the properties.

Good times in and around our publicly funded ghettos. No correlation between high density social housing and violence. For Olivia and Adam, a 2.6 billion dollar budget to upgrade buildings will fix the problem.
More drivel from kn / August 10, 2014 at 09:04 pm
Nonsense K*now N*othing
Kn / August 10, 2014 at 09:47 pm
Aug 3rd shooting in Downtown Toronto TCHC

Aug 9. Stabbing at TCHC property

Are we seeing a pattern? No?

How about Atkinson coop's nice little gang called the Asian assasinz.
Kn / August 10, 2014 at 09:55 pm
How about some more drivel. The Sic Thugs and the project originals. Atkinson has several gangs. Can't have enough of those. Anybody remember the Eaton centre?

I thought that big revitalization of Regent park which started 6 or 7 yrs ago was addressing the problem?

Adam promised zero displacement for our local gangs in Atkinson. Thanks.
kn+ / August 10, 2014 at 10:24 pm
You are sick. Get help NOW. TAKE YOUR MEDS EVERY DAY!
AriStudlies, etc. / August 10, 2014 at 11:06 pm
Stupid, not funny.
kn IS Shirley! / August 11, 2014 at 07:49 am
I'm SO excited! Drool 'n Drivel on, Shirley!
kn / August 11, 2014 at 10:38 am
Ah yes. Olivia Chow thinks Regent park is a big success. 50% of the local population in social housing and almost 90% of the local school's kids in social housing. That's integration!!

Wait, why are the police still regularly raiding Regent park for guns and drugs still? Just this spring. ProjectRX.

94 people arrested....who will be back in the hood in a month or so. If they are unlucky, maybe a year. That's right, TCHC doesn't want to be exclusive so being part of a gang isn't a big deal.
No Mo Chow / August 11, 2014 at 12:50 pm
I prefer politicians who actually have a grasp of the English language, thanks.
kn / August 11, 2014 at 02:44 pm
Last July Atkinson shooting.

April of 2013. I suppose being shot in both legs is just saying hello.

Overall number of violent acts at public housing. Regent seems to be doing very well. only 90 in 2012.!/vizhome/Violent-Calls-For-Police/Dashboard1

Usually there have been only two or three shootings linked to Atkinson coop every year for the past 12 yrs. This must be why Adam Vaughan thought it would be ok to promise all the residents that they all could stay.
kn / August 11, 2014 at 02:56 pm
With respect to Olivia. She's interchangeable with Adam Vaughan and Joe Cressy. All look same. Try to paint a pretty picture of the state of social housing, tell the public the social housing residents are victims and the police are unfairly targeting the "projects". I was in a meeting with Adam Vaughan where he suggested this exact scenario.
kn + No Mo Chow / August 11, 2014 at 07:51 pm
President & VP of CAMH patient association
hey kn & No Mo Chow / August 11, 2014 at 07:52 pm
Take your Haldol!!
kn / August 11, 2014 at 11:41 pm
I love you Adam!
Amy / August 12, 2014 at 09:41 am
This seems to be true story not just a blog post campaign spin. Found the same news on

Forum poll shows sudden decline with women has Olivia Chow 10 points behind John Tory
kn / August 12, 2014 at 01:07 pm
I'm always amazed at how the far left and far right wingers resemble each other. They both think they know everything and they both use bullying as a tactic to bash opposition.

Olivia Chow's minions here are evidently very eager to prove this fact. It's much too laborious to examine the real realities of the social housing model the TCHC seem so hell bent on clinging to. This is why all of these TCHC ghettos failed so miserably in the first place.

Adam Vaughan and city/TCHC reps are perfect examples of this inability to commit to due diligence. The criminology studies are there, yet he would rather promise Zero displacement to win votes and build a monument to himself instead of making the difficult decisions of integrating social housing. Olivia is no different.
kn+ / August 13, 2014 at 09:50 am
Unless you block the gap at the bottom of your door, kn seeps in, and until you smell the rot, there it is again - a kn kakakomment™.
Shirley / August 13, 2014 at 09:51 am
I am kn!
DasReal_KN replying to a comment from Shirley / August 13, 2014 at 12:58 pm
Nein! I ist das real KN!
Dr. Freud / August 13, 2014 at 07:51 pm
I deduce that kn has no mother or father and was raised by wolves. He suffers from acute paranoia and is addicted to smarties mixed into mashed potatoes, a disgusting compote that is 100% of his diet. He eats it in ice cream cones only. There is no cure for kn-ism, as electroshock cannot be used 24/7...although we could try it.
Kn / August 13, 2014 at 08:24 pm

Oh look, another shooting at a TCHC property. That's 4 in the last 2 weeks. Nope no problem with this system. Keep your heads buried in the sand Olivia and Adam.
kn / August 14, 2014 at 08:25 am
I'm always amazed how the far left of my brain doesn't agree with the far right of my brain. Olivia is a separated conjoined twin, formerly from Atlantis. Rob, Doug and Randy are also formerly conjoined triplets. Plugged toilets are a menance. I have never brushed my teeth, ever, because of the conspiracy to steriluze me and my kind.
Krazy Kommenters / August 14, 2014 at 08:27 am
I am kn!
Rewind Rewind Rewind / August 14, 2014 at 09:49 am
I'm still struggling after all these years!!

Isn't this what Olivia's whole campaign has been about? Struggling since birth, she should be right at home.
kn / August 14, 2014 at 11:13 am
And the orgy of violence continues at the TCHC. Another death.

The residents of these TCHC properties need to band together and file a class action lawsuit against the TCHC and the city for creating these unsafe communities.
Earl replying to a comment from kn / August 14, 2014 at 11:33 am
Well they had a Gene Jones in place to lead and battle this but he was fired.
Jacob / August 14, 2014 at 11:35 am
Olivia to Ban knives.
J S Lynn / August 14, 2014 at 11:42 am
Ignore all the others who say they are kn, I am the real kn!
kn replying to a comment from Earl / August 14, 2014 at 05:05 pm
I've spoken to Gene Jones. He is actually a very reasonable individual but he was given a brutal task of trying to break a culture of entitlement that has existed for decades at the TCHC. Do you really think for a moment the board of directors was not aware of what was going on? They stabbed him in the back and gave him a golden parachute to shut him up.

Look at this article in the Globe wrt how dire the situation is becoming at the TCHC.

"The capital repair backlog for TCHC has seen rapid growth over the past few years. The cumulative capital repair backlog increased 77 per cent from 2009 to 2013, as the total grew from $487-million to $862-million. Without any additional funding, the backlog is projected to grow to $3.6-billion in 10 years, and requires $2.6-billion to stay in “fair” condition."
Does kn really exist? / August 14, 2014 at 06:40 pm
Kn is fictional and NOT, contrary to rumour, one of the X-Men.
I AM KN! / August 14, 2014 at 06:41 pm
The Hulk...Bruce Banner.
Dave & Shirley / August 14, 2014 at 06:42 pm
kn is our child
kn / August 30, 2014 at 02:12 pm
It was great seeing Olivia gloat about how she brought the concept of a coop to public housing at Atkinson coop last night on CP24. Now we know where she stands. Rights without responsibility for the poor! Translation, if you live in public housing and you turn it into a coop you are given more but are not required to worry about taking on any real responsibility. There isn't any ownership here. They still treat the buildings like toilet paper. Why do you think all of these ghettos are being knocked down? The gangs get to stay. In Olivia or Adam's world it's pretending that it isn't public housing anymore.

And when Olivia talks about community, she certainly isn't talking about all of the homeowners/taxpayers who live next to this brutal ghetto. They don't see this as an important part of community. They proved this when they refused to conduct survey's of the local community before they made a deal to rebuild the ghetto. No impact studies at all. What an embarrassment.

I must say I had to laugh when Olivia said she wanted 20% of every building set aside for public housing. Kiss your condo values goodbye if that ever happened.

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