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Karen Stintz drops out of Toronto mayoral race

Posted by Derek Flack / August 21, 2014

Karen StintzKaren Stintz has dropped out of the Toronto mayoral race. The Ward 16 councillor and former TTC Chair never managed to garner the type of voter interest required to be a true contender, consistently polling at lower than 10 per cent of the projected vote. Stintz entered the race on a wave of optimism given her victories on Toronto transit expansion, first reviving the former Transit City plans and then backing a Scarborough subway line. That change in direction, however, would dog her on the campaign trail, with accusations that she was a flip-flopper becoming commonplace.

The presence of John Tory in the race also posed problems for the Stintz campaign. Although her platform focused more firmly on transit, the two candidates fall around the same place on the political spectrum, and the former leader of the provincial PCs has more clout to lean on. As of the last poll, Stintz was at 4 per cent of the vote, clearly a losing battle. Stintz will not, contrary to some rumours, turn her efforts toward re-election at city council.

What do you think? Will Stintz's departure shakeup the mayoral race?

Photo from Karen Stintz's Facebook page

Discussion

86 Comments

Amy / August 21, 2014 at 11:13 am
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She gets an A for effort.

I'm guessing her 4% of supporters will go to Tory. I don't see them going to Chow unless some are just placing a vote for female regardless, which wouldn't make sense to do.
hope / August 21, 2014 at 11:13 am
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Still convinced soknacki has this as long as torontonians can grow a spine and vote for who they want to win and not who they think will win. don't let kouvalis make your mind up for you!
Dogma replying to a comment from hope / August 21, 2014 at 11:21 am
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In a Rob Fordless campaign I think Soknacki might have a shot as a dark-horse candidate. But in this atmosphere, it's just not going to happen.
iSkyscraper / August 21, 2014 at 11:23 am
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Toronto will forever be in her debt for being the first to say no to the idiot man-child and for keeping the worst of his terrible ideas from being implemented. She started Ford's decline long before drunkgate, crackgate and all the rest and she started it where it mattered - on his ignorant and stupid policies. For that I respect her.

She went downhill as a leader after that (she just didn't get transit better than any other politician), but she meant well and was at least moderate and open-minded in her political discourse. It's a shame she is not staying on as a councillor.

Todd replying to a comment from hope / August 21, 2014 at 11:24 am
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I'm voting Tory because I want him to win. Tory may not be the first choice for all BUT he is the second choice for many. With Stinz out, Stinz voters please proceed to your second choice.

This 3%-4% is huge in the race. Not if you've only got 4% after 11 years of being a councillor BUT if you're John Tory this extra 3%-4% of voters could be just enough to gain a lead and secure the position of Mayor. Tory needs to address the voters to the fact she just dropped out, thank her for strong efforts respectfully, and let the Stinz voters know he's here for them. CHOW will probably spin this into a female thing or a non-white male thing for why she's best as she's done in the past.
lowrez / August 21, 2014 at 11:26 am
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Yeah, I'm really hoping for a healthy surge for Soknacki at some point.
nnmmmnmmnm / August 21, 2014 at 11:26 am
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socknacki has the strongest platform of all the candidates.
hoping he gets more exposure

seems like the type of level-headness toronto needs right now.
notdone replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / August 21, 2014 at 11:27 am
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expect a run at mp in the next federal election.
sw / August 21, 2014 at 11:29 am
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I hope this means more votes toward JT. He's the ONLY option.
hmm? replying to a comment from sw / August 21, 2014 at 11:31 am
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why not soknacki?
lowrez / August 21, 2014 at 11:37 am
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If you liked Rob Ford, you'll love John Tory
matts / August 21, 2014 at 11:37 am
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"cause I shill for JT"

-sw
QED replying to a comment from hmm? / August 21, 2014 at 11:42 am
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Because in the universe we live in Soknacki cannot defeat Ford. In Nerds vs Jocks the nerds lose every time.. It's not fair, it's not right, but it is reality in a bullying, lowest-common-denominator environment. (Visit your local schoolyard if you require confirmation.)
mar / August 21, 2014 at 11:44 am
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John Tory is the Rogers/Porter candidate. If you want a fiscal conservative who isn't owned by bay st vote Soknacki
hmm? replying to a comment from QED / August 21, 2014 at 11:47 am
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By your logic Tory can't win either (pretty sure he is a nerd).

Kouvalis polls aside, based on campaign platforms alone, who would you vote for?

4% for the win! / August 21, 2014 at 11:54 am
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I'm voting Soknaki, I just feel like no one else is going to ha ha. I used to be a strategic voter but now I just find that so distasteful...we should all just vote for the candidate that we think is the best and not worry about ganging up to make sure this or that person DOESN'T get voted in.
DirtyT replying to a comment from Dogma / August 21, 2014 at 11:54 am
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I couldn't agree more. I love Soknacki, but not as much as I hate Ford. Until I truly believe Soknacki has a fighting chance, my vote stays with Tory.
Monkey Bars replying to a comment from QED / August 21, 2014 at 11:54 am
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I'm pretty sure all the kids in the schoolyard don't gather around and vote for whether the bully gets to take the nerd's lunch money or not. That's an awful comparison.
v79 / August 21, 2014 at 11:56 am
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This should provide Tory with an even healthier lead. Once Soknacki realizes he's just as hopeless and drops out, we can pretty much assure ourselves of a bright, beautiful, productive Chow-less Toronto!
Sue replying to a comment from Monkey Bars / August 21, 2014 at 11:57 am
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The bully's gather together to decide who they pick on. The others stand back and let it happen or take action against it or join in.
mar replying to a comment from 4% for the win! / August 21, 2014 at 12:02 pm
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Me too. Ford isn't getting in. he is stuck at 26. Soknacki has the best platform by far and isn't a yelling idiot. He's a rational guy with a good brain. people will see that. He has plenty of room to take votes from both Chow and Tory. And the more that people see him as a contender the more people will move to him. I see him winning with 30% but even if he doesn't Tory or Chow will. Nothing means anything until September. Soknacki is still in this.
Todd Toronto / August 21, 2014 at 12:02 pm
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If you say something positive here about a candidate, you're shilling for them.

If you say something critical here about a candidate, you're shilling for another candidate.

But don't blame me, I'm voting for Kodos.
lowrez replying to a comment from Fast Eddie / August 21, 2014 at 12:04 pm
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*posts link to Sun News Network without a hint of irony*
jakeg / August 21, 2014 at 12:09 pm
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She accomplished very little in regards to improving the ttc...ribbing cutting and press conference for a toilet at a subway station..WOW......played too well with Bob Kinnear
v79 replying to a comment from mar / August 21, 2014 at 12:10 pm
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Sorry mar, but Sok's campaign is dead in its tracks. The little traction and interest he grew in the beginning got him from 1-2% to 4-5%. He's gone nowhere since, and does not have the policies or notoriety to change that. His momentum is at zero. He should bow out now, run for council and aim to get the deputy mayor's job, which I'm sure Tory will be more than happy to bestow on him.
WTF / August 21, 2014 at 12:12 pm
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Ohh so as soon as they announce drug testing, Stinz bails out of the race?
Alex Greene / August 21, 2014 at 12:14 pm
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Also going for Socknacki. Probably the only rational/reasonable person in the whole group who has a fiscally responsible plan to build things we actually need and at reasonable cost, not just to win votes. Screw the polls!
QED replying to a comment from hmm? / August 21, 2014 at 12:16 pm
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On platforms alone? Soknacki in a heartbeat. Excellent candidate, would do a terrific job. David Crombie II.

Regarding Tory, he has a nerdish past, sure, but his corporate power and long experience have shown he's easily Ford's match in a PR war. He's like the former nerd who dropped out to form a start-up and now has all the cash, so the jocks take heed.
The Sokman Cometh! / August 21, 2014 at 12:22 pm
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Soknacki wins if you vote for him!
Jacob / August 21, 2014 at 12:37 pm
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Soknacki's got the best platform, and the right experience.

It would be nice if the circus left town.
Randy / August 21, 2014 at 12:40 pm
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Bon Jovi should throw his name into the race...Bring on the BILLS!
Stan Gable / August 21, 2014 at 12:42 pm
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Alpha Beta has been beaten by Lambda Lambda Lambda and Omega Mu!!
steve replying to a comment from Jacob / August 21, 2014 at 12:52 pm
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Is also looks like soknacki has a whole bunch of fake accounts spamming this message board
Robert / August 21, 2014 at 12:54 pm
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John Tory is a failed politician. His polices mirror Rob Fords. If he gets elected he will fail as a mayor. We will be back to saying in four years we can correct this. Just get rid of him now and save us the time and money.
Rob / August 21, 2014 at 12:57 pm
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If she's looking for a career opportunity I think she would do well in television or radio media. She's intelligent has has good presence. I can't remember what she did before City Hall.
Gary / August 21, 2014 at 01:01 pm
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What's the difference between Rob Ford and John Tory? Are they really all that different?

Both were born into wealth. Both have very few accomplishments on their own. Both have made some stupid decisions. Both seem to have no new ideas about how to run the city or where we should be headed. Both seem to misunderstand public transit. Both had political connections, that got them where they are. Both got into the business world from their family connections and seemed to have accomplished very little on their own. Both are desperate for power and will hire any unscrupulous person to help them attain that power.
(Nick Kouvalis) Both are Conservatives with connections within the party, so they never had to work their way up the political ladder. Both have few academic accomplishments. I think when you get down to it, one may seem more respectable and professional but everything else is remarkable similar.

I think both Ford and Tory are average guys who won the lottery to be born into wealth and power. Both have modest intelligence, modest accomplishments and few good ideas. That both these guys are the top contenders in Toronto, is pretty sad for this city. Where are our great leaders?
hmm? replying to a comment from QED / August 21, 2014 at 01:01 pm
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Agree completely.

Two things about Tory. One is that he is a ditherer who is known to make a major misstep right before crunch time. Secondly, and more importantly, does his corporate power not concern you? As someone else said he really is a bay st puppet. He is Roger's guy his son works upper management at Porter. I can't be the only one who is bothered by how much of a puppet he is for big corporations. Soknacki is running his campaign almost exclusively, on his own money, to me that speaks volumes.
Alex / August 21, 2014 at 01:02 pm
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I wish I could vote for Soknacki, but I don't want to split the vote by voting for someone who has no chance. I'll probably have to vote for Chow or Tory. I think Soknacki would make a great mayor, and it's really sad that money decides who wins instead of who would do the best job.
mar replying to a comment from steve / August 21, 2014 at 01:06 pm
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everyone who disagrees with you is fake. we get it.
hope replying to a comment from Alex / August 21, 2014 at 01:11 pm
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grow a spine!
i will tell you what she did replying to a comment from Rob / August 21, 2014 at 01:20 pm
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She lived off her daddy's wallet.

He worked for NASA.

Council was just a novetly to her.
TJ / August 21, 2014 at 01:33 pm
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Agree that Soknacki has best platform and rational plans. However, in speaking about him on many occasions, people from Scarborough, Etobicoke, and North York have no idea who he is or that he is even running for Mayor. The notoriety and name for him simply isn't there for the regular folk. I feel like voting for him is like a throw away vote or indirectly voting for Ford to win.
Jacob replying to a comment from steve / August 21, 2014 at 01:34 pm
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I doubt Soknacki could afford a spam team. :P
Hey Gary / August 21, 2014 at 01:48 pm
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Tory went to law school. Was called to the bar. Was head of the CFL, supposedly saved the league. Ignoring the rest as family connections stuff- he was a very average student at Osgoode-this is LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF FORDFUCKER! Your comparison & conclusion is dumb & wrongheaded. Ford didn't even complete a year of university, has no profession, FORD HAS DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!
Wes / August 21, 2014 at 01:50 pm
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Ford did not fail because of his policies, Tory will do great as mayor pushing great policies forward without a circus and all the drug scandals.

BRING ON OUR LEADER JOHN TORY.
QED replying to a comment from hmm? / August 21, 2014 at 01:57 pm
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Lots of things concern me about Tory, or Chow for that matter. But I'm solidly in the Anybody but that Fucking Idiot And His Goddamned Brother camp and will be thrilled to see a new mayor of any persuasion who is not Rob Ford.
v79 replying to a comment from hmm? / August 21, 2014 at 02:00 pm
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Hmm, if Soknacki is running his campaign exclusively with his own money that doesn't bode well for his ability to convince people to invest in things he deems important, which is not a good quality in a mayor. His campaign has fallen flat. He should bow out before wasting more of his hard earned cash, even if he is the second best person in the field.

And as others have mentioned, it's painfully obvious that the Soknacki campaign has people spamming this board (as they attempted to do the other week as well in posts completely unrelated to politics). Desperation is obviously setting in in his camp. I think I hear a death knell in the distance.
hmm? replying to a comment from QED / August 21, 2014 at 02:13 pm
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Well all I can say to that is if a pollster calls you tell them who you want to vote for and come election day vote strategically if it looks like your guy won't win. But I would say that there is a lot of room in the next couple of months for him to grow as huge amounts of both Tory and Chow sides are really just Anybody but that Fucking Idiot and His Goddamned Brother camp.

V79 you don't think people could be on here trying to persuade people without being a part of his campaign. I don't have time or money to donate to his campaign but I feel strongly that he is the best option and every time I look at a comment board I see a lot of people feel the same way. His campaign hasn't fallen flat at all. slow and steady wins the race :P. Also you assertion that he is running his campaign on his own money because he can't convince people is absolutely ridiculous. He has convinced me and many others. It isn't all about money.
Mr Magoo / August 21, 2014 at 02:17 pm
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What is all this Socknacki talk? Wasn't this post about Stintz? Socknacki is just as unpopular as Stintz was. But Stintz had a way better presence at the debates. My theory about Socknacki's lack of popularity is that he is unable to express a clear message, and that no one in Scarborough wants to ride the rinkydink RTs that he is proposing.
As It Happens / August 21, 2014 at 02:34 pm
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Anyone but Ford. I'll vote strategically if I have to. Whatever keeps that idiot and his brother (and hopefully his nephew) out of City Hall.
Jeff replying to a comment from Mr Magoo / August 21, 2014 at 02:47 pm
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Socknacki doesn't have the presence, but he has great ideas. People really need to listen to him.

In a perfect world, Tory would win, and somehow make socknacki a policy advisor of some sort.
ROB FORD ON CRACK / August 21, 2014 at 02:58 pm
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I will win, I always win!! Ford more years pinkos!
Catfart replying to a comment from Mr Magoo / August 21, 2014 at 03:00 pm
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You, sir, are incorrect about Socknaki's message not being clear. It is loud and clear, and it is all about city building for everyone, not just for corporations or for unions. He does tend to speak in complete sentences and use words with more than one syllable, so maybe that's why his message isn't "clear" to you.

By the way, I'm no shill. Just an average Torontonian who is thrilled to see Socknaki getting so much support in this message board. It's about time!
WRONG AGAIN replying to a comment from hmm? / August 21, 2014 at 03:03 pm
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You're entirely misinformed. You've managed to completely discredit yourself when you make up lies about his family. Where do you get your facts? His son is a pilot, yes, but for a small, independent company.

WRONG AGAIN replying to a comment from hmm? / August 21, 2014 at 03:03 pm
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Not only does he fly for an independent company, but he flies out of Pearson. See ya lata.
Jacob replying to a comment from Catfart / August 21, 2014 at 03:11 pm
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The reason Soknacki's got so much support in places like this is because people who pay attention to what's going on in the city come to places like this.

People who don't really pay attention to the city (the majority) know Ford, Tory, and Chow simply because those candidates are well-known.
hmm? replying to a comment from WRONG AGAIN / August 21, 2014 at 03:19 pm
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again? Anyway, so his son doesn't work for Porter but he is the CEO and President of a company that runs out of the island airport.

http://www.nowtoronto.com/news/story.cfm?content=197372

My point is that Tory is a shill for big corporations.
DL replying to a comment from hmm? / August 21, 2014 at 03:45 pm
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Ah, his son is successful so HE'S THE DEVIL!
hmm? replying to a comment from DL / August 21, 2014 at 03:55 pm
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is that what you took from it? It was more just a matter of knowing who's interests where at his heart.
MER1978 replying to a comment from WTF / August 21, 2014 at 04:02 pm
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How exactly would drug testing have fixed our Ford problems?

If he had gotten drunk or high only at home in his spare time and wasn't directly associating with criminals there wouldn't have been nearly as many issues.
MER1978 replying to a comment from WTF / August 21, 2014 at 04:05 pm
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If Rob Ford wasn't in the race...

1. I would probably vote for Soknacki because he obviously puts a lot of thought into his ideas + seems to have tons of them.

2. Chow + Tory would I assume have more ambitious platforms without a BS outrage machine hovering around them all the time waiting to pounce.
Roger / August 21, 2014 at 04:13 pm
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Soknacki knows he likely won't win, so of course he can go out on a limb and say the things he does, unlike Tory or Chow who will be expected to follow through on their pronouncements.

If it comes down to a choice between Ford, Tory, or Chow, I will vote for Chow as she would be the best mayor of the three. Tory would please the business community, like Ford, while Chow's policies would actually benefit ordinary Torontonians.
roger gets the stupidest comment in the thread crown replying to a comment from Roger / August 21, 2014 at 04:28 pm
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What a stupid comment. He can say what he wants because he knows he won't win? Why the f would he be working so hard and spending all his money if he knew he wouldn't win. He is putting together a concrete platform because he has a vision for this city as opposed to the others who are just trying to slide in on the anyone but ford. You sound like you haven't paid attention at all.
4% for the win! replying to a comment from 4% for the win! / August 21, 2014 at 04:30 pm
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Just wanted to quickly confirm, when I posted here earlier on, I'm not part of a paid "troll army". I am 1 guy who lives in Toronto and my 1 vote is going for Socknaki. LOL at conspiracy theories. I think it's the big money/big party candidates that have the money to fund social media campaigns. And of course, famously, Harper Conservatives most definitely have a troll army.

I agree with the poster above who says there's likely a higher concentration of Socknaki supporters here because the people who come here and places like Torontoist comment boards etc. are far more engaged in Toronto politics than the average Star or Sun reader. That is all. : )
#FordMoreYears / August 21, 2014 at 05:36 pm
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Ahh yeah Stinzs backing is the same as Robbies. More voters headin over our way! What no Stinz supporters on here that can tell us which way theyre going to vote now?

October 27!!
Praswell / August 21, 2014 at 05:45 pm
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People run in politics all the time knowing they wont win thats what makes them fringe candidates. People run for the experience. People run to get their name out there and get business opportunities the private sector. Some people are just attention whores e.g. S. Thompson
Angus / August 21, 2014 at 05:50 pm
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Sagonaki is the front runner with 3%...Dont make me laugh!!!

an idea / August 21, 2014 at 05:57 pm
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anyone on here with time or money saying Soknacki should win but doesn't have the momentum ought to donate or actually pledge support. it can happen but not without the effort of those who believe. remember miller was in single digits of august 2003.
Here's the thing gang / August 21, 2014 at 07:20 pm
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Karen Stintz and David Soknacki have both been public figures for along time in this city, if they were working effectively Toronto residents would already know that they should be mayor and would know their track record, you'd think they'd atleast be able to get the majority vote in their own ridings behind them. What does that tell you that majority of the people they've served for years don't want them as a leader?

Karen Stintz has over 10 years in city politics in Toronto and only got 4%

David Socnacki has over 10 years in Scarborough and Toronto politics and has only received 3%

Why now are we supposed to jump to David Socnacki, he had years to prove himself as a top runner and high profile candidate. You can have as many great ideas as you want but its not how many great ideas you have its what you do with your ideas. Does he have a great track record as a Toronto or Scarborough councillor? What ideas did he bring forward, and how many were actually achieved.
Gabi replying to a comment from Here's the thing gang / August 21, 2014 at 08:05 pm
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TRUE it does show the kind of impact and name they've been able to make for themselves to date. I thought Stintz had a really good chance UNTIL the moment John Tory joined the race then she lost most of her backing to Tory.
Andrew / August 21, 2014 at 08:08 pm
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I think Socknacki has much more support on the internet than he does in real life.
Jacob replying to a comment from Andrew / August 21, 2014 at 09:29 pm
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Unfortunately, you're right.
Donnie / August 21, 2014 at 09:30 pm
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Funny how all of a sudden Stintz back out of her 4% and people think its some kind of game changer for Socknacki 3%.

Also funny how some people think "Toronto Needs to Wake Up" to Socknacki. Maybe Toronto is awake and the majority just doesn't want Socknacki.It doesn't make everyone fools or stupid or uneducated. The people will choose October 27th who they think is the best candidate and decide for themselves based on how clearly each of the candidates has been able to express themselves. If Socknacki hasn't been able to get his points across then he'll lose, if the people just don't want what Socknacki is selling he'll loose. He may have some OK Ideas BUT you need to be tough against the unions and protect the taxpayers and personally I don't see him as capable of doing that.
Hey #FordMoreYears! us Stintz supporters are going to... / August 21, 2014 at 09:37 pm
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...anybody but Ford. FORD'S AN ASSHOLE!
Trina replying to a comment from Jacob / August 21, 2014 at 09:47 pm
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Unfortunatly he should have done a better job promoting himself on his 10+ years as a councillor in Toronto and Scarborough.
Steven / August 21, 2014 at 10:12 pm
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Socknacki really has the most interesting policies. He comes across as practical. He has my vote.

(note: this is not spam)
Hmm? replying to a comment from Donnie / August 21, 2014 at 10:54 pm
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You're right. He may 'loose' I suppose we need to let time be the judge...
Hmm? replying to a comment from Trina / August 21, 2014 at 10:57 pm
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You realize there are two months left and the race begins after September right? Also he was budget chief to miller (despite the suns talking points they always made ends meet and if you read papers before the ford nation invasion actually put up some solid surpluses while still making this city the place people have flocked to in hoards since 2003)
Hmm? replying to a comment from Trina / August 21, 2014 at 10:58 pm
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*after September 1
Emily replying to a comment from Hmm? / August 22, 2014 at 12:58 am
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You realize none of that matters now. Historical is good to a point, but reality is this is today.
bye bye / August 22, 2014 at 06:28 am
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Adieu to Karen's wonderful right breast. Au revoir to her exquisite left breast. Rob now has the biggest tits in the race!
Sasha / August 22, 2014 at 08:10 am
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John Tory it is then Toronto! Get used to him, get on board, listen to the man pay attention to him in the next months to see how your new mayor performs.
Trina replying to a comment from Hmm? / August 22, 2014 at 08:17 am
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Yes we realize he's been a councillor in Toronto, in Scarborough, was budget chief for David Miller AND after all that and he can only get 3%. He's held many public positions trying to find the right fit and still hasn't wow'd the public at all. With all that experience you'd think he'd be able to get more than 3% if his track record was so great and sometimes it's just She's just not that into you bro...
hmmmmmm hmmmmm / August 22, 2014 at 08:53 am
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YES hmm we realize th ere are 2 months left. Do you realize that this is exactly when the campaigns hit the hardest and campaign dollars are most importantly spent now until election day. Its estimated to cost approx 1.5 million to run a proper campaign. If David S. is such a chrewed business man he'll realize his return on investment is next to nothing and he'll back out soon. He'll hang on fir now to see where the Stintz votters land, maybe his percentage will go up slighty, who knows maybe he'll even hit double digits then he'll back out with a nice story to tell the grandkids about that time Grampy ran for mayor.
rob ford / August 24, 2014 at 03:08 pm
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I miss Karen's crack.

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