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New in Toronto real estate: Ten York Condos

Posted by Robyn Urback / January 24, 2013

ten york condos torontoTen York Condos says that you will surely be 'SmitTEN' with its design. And I say you're probably shaking your head in disappointment. Anyway, this is condo that got its neighbours all up in arms (that sure narrows it down...) due to very real concerns about added area density. Rising 735 feet and bringing thousands of new residents to York and Harbour, Ten York will certainly make a statement on Toronto's skyline and, more than likely, on your downtown rush hour commute. Here is a closer look at Ten York Condos.

ten york condos torontoSPECS

Address: 10 York Street

Floors: 65

Elevators: 7

Total number of units: 690 (approx)

Types of units: One bedroom, one-plus-den, two-bedroom, three-bedroom

Unit sizes (in square feet): 565- 1305 (Plus signature selection suites)

Ceiling heights: 8'6" - 10'

Prices from: Low $400,000's

Parking: $55,000 (For two bedroom or larger)

Locker: $4,500

Parking maintenance: $36

Locker maintenance: $16

Maintenance fees: $0.45/s.f. +ultilities

Developer: Tridel

Architect: Wallman Architects

Interior Design: II by IV Design

Amenities: Party room, games room, fitness centre, billiards room, yoga studio, concierge, theatre room, guest suites, juice bar, sauna, pool, outdoor terrace

Expected occupancy: Summer 2017

ten york condos torontoTHE GOOD

Um, score one for unobstructed views? That is, if you snag a unit above, say, the 35th or 40th floor (which will come at a premium, of course). Yes, living in one of the tallest buildings in the area will surely provide a picturesque view — but only until the next developer comes along with a sketch for 75 storeys or more. But in the meantime, and just as long as you're not afraid of heights, you'll be treated to a living postcard each time you look beyond your living room furniture. Is it a view worth half a million dollars? To some people, probably.

ten york condos torontoAnd speaking of wealth, Ten York residents are looking at paying a small fortune for a tiny little rectangle in Ten York's underground garage. The good news is, they really don't have to. The building will pretty much be within walking distance to everything, including GO trains, Union Station, the ACC, two supermarkets, and plenty of bars and restaurants. For someone who lives and breathes downtown, Ten York has itself a great location.

The suites themselves are pretty basic before upgrades, but it is refreshing to see some sensibility in design. Units start at a healthy (though by no means generous) 565 square feet and are arranged such that most bedrooms have windows (which, yes, is often overlooked in new condo designs).

ten york condos torontoTHE BAD

I've never quite understood the appeal of having the Gardiner as your neighbour. Humming mufflers as your lullaby? And speaking of neighbours, this area better brace for a cool couple thousand extra moving in when Ten York welcomes its residents. The added density will just mean more congestion, traffic, and noise outside, and considerable wear over time on Ten York's common building elements. Granted, I suspect many of the buyers will be investors and not occupants, but $730 per square foot seems like an awfully high price to pay for a unit beside the Expressway.

ten york condos torontoAs mentioned earlier, many of the suites in Ten York will boast spectacular views, but very few of them will actually come equipped with private balcony spaces. The ones that do will have something between a Juliet and an actual functional balcony. In other words — room for one of those Canadian Tire fold out camping chairs, or maybe two. I suppose I can understand the practical hiccups of inviting residents to sprawl out on their balconies at 700 feet up in the air, but most people like a little private outdoor time. Especially when the only other option is a deck shared by the thousands of other residents in the building.

And again, separate parking and locker maintenance fees? $16 per month for someone to sweep out the locker cages? $36 to, uh, clear leaves out of the parking garage? (Wait, this is downtown — there are no leaves). I can see why it makes sense to exempt those without parking spaces and lockers from having to pay for upkeep, but what about those who don't use the pool, or the fitness centre, or the juice bar? They still have to pay general maintenance fees, after all. These auxiliary costs just seem like an added cash grab, to me.

ten york condos torontoTHE VERDICT

Maybe the NIMBYers were onto something...

What do you think? Would you live here? Add your comments to the thread below.

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Discussion

42 Comments

Me / January 24, 2013 at 08:57 am
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Is it possible Robyn's "writing" is actually getting worse?
Gline replying to a comment from Me / January 24, 2013 at 09:34 am
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Her writing isn't worse, your comments are. Of course, sheeple like you LOVE buildings like these, so any commentary that lists the pros and cons of a building is treason. But, it isn't treason to say what she says, or to object to building like these. As for you, isn't the Toronto Sun where yahoos like you usually are?
Not a Condo Owner / January 24, 2013 at 09:35 am
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I still read this everyone time it comes out and I'm not looking to move into a condo but it would be interesting to have someone reviewing condos who doesn't seem entirely put off by the notions of condos themself.
Miss Daisy / January 24, 2013 at 09:38 am
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I like Robyn Urback's writing...




















NOT!
Hey / January 24, 2013 at 09:47 am
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In many units, your locker and parking get added to your unit's square footage.

Since there seem to be reasonably few parking spaces (only available for sale to units with 2+ bedrooms) this is a pretty reasonable approach.

Robyn's analysis and commentary is going downhill, plus never acknowledges when basic errors are pointed out in the comments.

As to increasing the density in the area.. buildings are better than parking lots, it's nearly on top of the central point in our regional transportation network, plus there are office buildings within 3 blocks and more being built. If not more density here, then where, exactly?
Greg / January 24, 2013 at 09:48 am
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That's a pretty terrible theatre, they installed the projector backwards.
Me replying to a comment from Gline / January 24, 2013 at 09:50 am
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Actually, I don't live in a condo but Robyn seems to have an envious hate for EVERYTHING she "writes" about which makes the terrible quality of writing and her pretentiousness even funnier.
milo / January 24, 2013 at 10:04 am
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Wow - Robyn has a lot of anger. Maybe she's from Whitby or one of those places?

She's hot though
TOBlogTrash / January 24, 2013 at 10:27 am
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No, she's not from Whitby; leaky basement apartment w/ 3+ cats all the way.
Todd Toronto replying to a comment from Miss Daisy / January 24, 2013 at 10:28 am
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Your comment is funny because "Wayne's World" is funny in 2013.
Shane / January 24, 2013 at 10:32 am
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Great work again Robyn. It amazes me how some people attack you personally instead of expressing themselves as to why the points you bring up are unreasonable or unfair. Some who critisize your writing ability never seem to do this. If you enjoy living beside the garfiner expressway, then tell us why Robyn should reconsider her view of living beside a major traffic artery, for example. I have been reading blogto since the start, and have a sneaking suspision that many of the peeps who post on these condo blog pieces are in someway connected to the condos themselves, or their marketing teams. I have noted a marked shift in these sorts of posts over the years. Who knows.
Alex Bruni / January 24, 2013 at 10:40 am
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The vast majority of condos charge maintenance for your locker and parking spot, so that should never be a surprise.

Ten York was the most successful condo project of 2012, and sold an astounding number of units in November and December when the market was in the tank.

Despite the fact that this article features more cons than pros, Tridel must have done something right. And the 600+ people who bought suites there agree.
milo / January 24, 2013 at 11:08 am
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I should also ad - I think you'd need to be mildly retarded not to realize that lockers and parking spots have extra costs associated with them.

Guess what - if you bought a house without a parking spot .. and the one beside you had one.... yours would be worth less.
Alex replying to a comment from TOBlogTrash / January 24, 2013 at 11:17 am
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Tent with her fellow OCCUPY'rs.
fred replying to a comment from Alex / January 24, 2013 at 11:25 am
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go back to your mother's basement in Etobicoke.
Dad replying to a comment from fred / January 24, 2013 at 11:28 am
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He can't, we threw him out. He's just butt hurt because he has to share the tent with his sister Robyn.
Alex2 / January 24, 2013 at 11:40 am
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Wow, lots of Realtors must be posting on here. I've never seen so many negative comments about valid points. If you disagree then say why, but when you just mindlessly bash the writing it's painfully obvious you have a financial stake in the project.

I agree with the review. The suites have a reasonable size and if you have the dough and love the location then it's a good place to live. I'd be a little concerned about the number of elevators though. 65 stories is a lot for only 7 elevators. Would the view be worth the wait you'll have every time you want to go in and go out? Though the building itself is so conveniently located maybe it would offset this.
Laurel / January 24, 2013 at 12:36 pm
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This project is less than stellar, but I still ask myself time and time again why blog to has someone writing about condos when she clearly despises them?
N / January 24, 2013 at 12:48 pm
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All condos in Toronto are crap. Where are the 5-10 floor buildings. Not all of us can live in a shoebox sized studios without kitchen in the clouds.
Me replying to a comment from Laurel / January 24, 2013 at 12:57 pm
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It's not just condos she despises. She has also branched out into houses and appears to despise them also. It's really become quite the joke but not sure if BlogTO intended the irony or not. It also does not help the cause that she is one of the worse "writers" here.
Mom replying to a comment from fred / January 24, 2013 at 01:00 pm
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He can't move back as Robyn would have to move out first.
Realist / January 24, 2013 at 01:01 pm
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It seems like many readers are used to the type of journalism in which the author provides a synopsis of a press release. Any critique, however logical, brings the scorn of the aspirational types and corporate drones.

If you don't like the article (or writer), why read it? Go back to watching the Kardashians and humble-bragging on facebook about your new starter BMW.

By the way, I just looked at the site and for about half a million bucks, the "Classic Collection" includes really low popcorn ceilings (they still do that?) and laminate floors, if you can't afford to upgrade. And if you are one of those people not spending a million bucks, then yes, you are likely to be looking out at the expressway.
JP / January 24, 2013 at 01:27 pm
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Well, if they're not going to bury the Gardiner or tear it down, building condos/offices right up against it isn't the worst thing for Toronto. Part of what made the highway such a barrier is that the walk from north to south was so barren and empty.
Tyler / January 24, 2013 at 01:46 pm
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New In Toronto Real Estate: CONDOS, CONDOS, CONDOS!

Really though, all of Toronto is condos
Sean / January 24, 2013 at 01:53 pm
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The podium has a really striking design (which probably means it won't be built looking like that. :-) ) that I really like.

The whole "separate maintenance fee" thing has been explained to Robyn in comments on previous postings. It makes perfect sense and is not a cash grab... it is additional space that you own (and can sell separately from your unit if you so chose), and so you pay to maintain it. Don't own a space, don't pay to maintain it. Not sure why this is a difficult concept to accept.
Alex replying to a comment from Realist / January 24, 2013 at 02:21 pm
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And that makes being untalented and terrible acceptable?
MrsPotato replying to a comment from Me / January 24, 2013 at 02:49 pm
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Since some of you asshats have such a problem with her writing style, why don't you apply for a gig writing for BlogTo?

They're always looking for writers.

GOOD LUCK, and hope you have thick skin.
Johnny (Wad) Homes / January 24, 2013 at 03:25 pm
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7 elevators for 690 units 1 elevator for 98 units, one breaks down 1 elevator for 115 units, 2 break down it does happens 1 elevator for 138 units. Just wait a few years people will be jumping from the tiny balconys when the Bills star coming in. that will be one noisy place with all the car going by rattling the floor to ceiling glass. I looks like a cool building just wait 5 - 10 years it will look old and worn out.
Alex replying to a comment from MrsPotato / January 24, 2013 at 04:03 pm
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I'm not sure if most of us would be accepted as we'd fail the snarkiness and lack of basic English skills test.
McRib replying to a comment from Alex / January 24, 2013 at 05:33 pm
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Judging by that garbled mess of a sentence you'd be hired immediately.
Alex replying to a comment from McRib / January 24, 2013 at 05:38 pm
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Possibly! lol. But than again, I'm not pretending to be a "writer". And who knows? Maybe Robyn will be a fine one also once she finished High School and takes a few courses.
seanm / January 24, 2013 at 07:16 pm
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Condos are fine and serve a purpose. The biggest issue here is that it's Tridel, meaning we're going to be treated to 730 feet of messy window wall cladding with ugly grey spandrel. Take a look at Element, or the mess at 300 Front that they're building a few blocks north.

But seriously, I get the feeling the same people that complain about condos also complain about suburban sprawl. We can't all live in Parkdale duplexes, 8 renters to a house. The comment about 5-10 storeys is spot on though, and Toronto is actually getting better at it. Check out some of the city's Avenue Studies, and some of the new midrise infill along more established streets.
stopitman replying to a comment from seanm / January 24, 2013 at 07:36 pm
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@seanm - the problem (currently) is that to build a 5 or 6 story building you have to go through the same planning process as a 70 story building. Why build 5 stories when you can quadruple that at the same amount of trouble with regards to permits & process? In the downtown core it makes sense to build very high due to high transportation, employment, and commercial concentrations, plus there's the added bonus of little/no historical buildings or neighbourhoods to worry about on industrial land made from garbage.

And the sound from the Gardiner isn't that bad, it's more the idiots who lean on their horns for 30 seconds because they get stuck in the middle of the intersection at Bay & Lakeshore during rush hour. The Gardiner is usually just above a din, although I will say that it was quite nice the weekend they had the Gardiner shut down because you could only hear the hum of the city.
Ambivalent Condo Considerer / January 25, 2013 at 01:08 am
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*shrug* I like Robyn's condo reviews. I don't know why people think she's a condo hater, I just don't get that from the writing. She writes about the things I wanna know about and breaks them diwn in real-speak i.e the slightly snarky tone I speak in too. But yeah, there's an awful lot of bashing her in the comments over a condo review. You'd swear she lip-synced the star spangled banner!
Frank Grimes / January 25, 2013 at 02:41 pm
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Why is the screen at the back of that movie theatre?
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Ambivalent Condo Considerer / January 25, 2013 at 03:52 pm
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If she sings as bad as she "writes", she'd have to!
Robyn replying to a comment from Simon Tarses / January 25, 2013 at 04:08 pm
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Hi all,

Thanks for chiming in and, of course, I welcome both positive and negative feedback.

But just a note to "Simon Tarses," "Me," "Alex," "Dad," and "Mom:" I invite you to compile all of your commentary into one post (or at the very least, invest in an IP blocker) since each criticism is obviously from one account. Trolling is much more effective when the source is more ambiguous. Thanks!
AlexDBag / January 25, 2013 at 04:16 pm
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Her reviews aren't bad, they are honest rather than the typical advertorial that most of her haters are used to.

A recent Toronto star article said:
"It’s that too much of what’s for sale now are small, poorly laid-out units, aimed at investors, rather than the average buyer, realtors say."

So apparently she's not the only one who thinks some of these new builds are stupid.
Astra / January 27, 2013 at 04:14 am
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Why is everyone hating on Robyn and if u hate her style so much why do u keep reading it???? DUH!!! Spend your time doing something you do enjoy instead of ranting about someone you follow enough virtually to be able to make "valid" critiques on her writing. Number two I am a realtor and I like her posts. They're informative and up to date. Number three. Location is prime but seems so high per sqft. I'm really not into living in a 565 sqft condo no parking no balcony no upgrades for 500k so many better places to invest my personal money. But like the blog stated it will be a lot of investors purchasing not residing and the location is top notch especially if you have a south exposure. Location in real estate is everything as most of u know....
Marie / January 27, 2013 at 05:54 pm
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What about the structural engineers who make sure the building is structurally sound? Don't they get a mention?
New Launch Condo / February 10, 2013 at 05:17 pm
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Aditi / June 6, 2013 at 07:08 pm
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