City of Toronto releases official election results

There are too many problems with the amalgamated TO. Kill it.

You know, if they held more events outside of the core and made people travel out and north once in a while, I think people would start to understand each other more and we could avoid these nasty divides every four years.

Travel out and north more? Not everyone has a car, money and free time. And not everyone wants to add to the already huge carbon footprint from people commuting to/from work in the core.

C'mon, Kieran and Missy.

Kieran, events happen predominantly in the core because it's the core. All cities are this way. It's the heart of things, the centre of gravity, and where there are the most venues gathering places (and transit options) to do stuff. It's the most logival place for most major events to occur.

Missy, I hope you're joking. I voted for Pantalone, but that's a jackass comment if you mean it.

Or, perhaps, more people in the outside areas should travel downtown? Spend some time in neighbourhoods, experience different things than boxes of various sorts, you know.
Why should it be one way?

I agree with Matthew more on this anyway though.

@Missy: Or these so-called "smart" people wants to hang on to their precious streetcars, and nevermind that their tax dollars being mishandled or jeopardized by their city officials. Brilliant idea, smart downtowners.

It kind of looks like a steamboat.

Kieran: Downtowners live downtown because it's downtown. They have no reason, nor do they usually find one, to travel beyond the inner core. They have everything down there. It goes the other way too, suburbanites don't want to go downtown cuz it's downtown.

Missy: "I knew it. All the sheeple live downtown." There, I corrected it for ya.

Kait: Geography lesson... Scarborough, North York, East York...

Congratulations Ford. You completlely deserve to be Mayor of the suburbs. However, you have neither the understanding or the support to be the mayor of the real Toronto. This map is astounding and this election now makes total sense.

Great comment Martin! I am a "downtowner" and I would hate to live up in the suburbs- no disrespect to anyone who lives there; it's just not me. I know people who live up in the 'burbs and who would hate to live downtown. These are clearly 2 very separate types of communities who value very different things.

To David I.- as someone who relies on the TTC to get around, I hate streetcars and I do not think they are precious.

And there you have it...

I just took a glance at the polling information. The only wards where Ford's and Smitherman's numbers were close are where the old city of Toronto's northeastern border met with North York and East York. That's ward 16, 25, 26, 29 and 31. All were close--in ward 26, the difference was only 50 votes. The rest of the city's results are all pretty lopsided.

I have no idea where you got those numbers but they're grossly inflated. By law, Toronto can't carry any debt at all for operational expenditures. It can, and does, have debt for capital expenditures but they're no where near as high as your quoting. Here's a link if it helps: http://www.toronto.ca/finance/debt.htm

@David I. As for mishandling money, I suppose there are some examples where things could have gone better e.g., St. Clair Right-of-Way but it's an incredibly complex process and they've learned from many of their mistakes. Even so there are problems that are very difficult to anticipate, e.g., old watermain on Roncy that's not on the current maps. Like I said, things could always be better; but, they could be a lot worse too and by-in-large I feel the money I've paid in taxes has been well spent. Sadly, I don't think the couple of hundred bucks I might save under Ford will be worth the decimation to services that he seems to take pride in.

This kind of idea, although has some truth to it creates a dangerous precedent. Instead of drawing the lines between core and periphery, what if they were drawn down finance. What does a rich person know about a middle class person, who knows about a poor person?

I'm not saying I agree with the amalgamation, but I think the alternatives are far less than perfect.

The map doesn't tell the full story. Look at the numbers and you see thousands of voters downtown voted for Ford. Sure, he won the suburbs, but he also did better than expected in the heart of the city.

That was enough for him not just to win, but win substantially.

Yes, those unlivable hellholes.

A city is not a business. It's a city.

Um, Mike if your comment is supposed to convince readers that people who voted for Ford made a good choice-you're failing miserably.

Ummm...Holden...not trying to convince anyone of anything. Democracy spoke loud and clear. A well informed electorate has chosen the best candidate. This is the only fact that is important. Mayor Elect Ford is now in power (Dec 1) and the tax, spend and increase the debt mayor is on a train out of town!

As a East Yorker...yeah! Go Rob Go!

Thought this was pretty interesting. The recent poll is very similar to a driver commuting map the Star produced a year ago. Perhaps the fictitious 'war on the car' really resonated with people.
http://www3.thestar.com/static/googlemaps/starmaps_090610.html?xml=091021_commuting_motorists.xml
Just an interesting observance I made....

I love how whenever there is a discussion about amalgamation, it's also centred around how "downtowners" have suffered because of it. It hasn't exactly been a sweet ride for us living in the "suburbs."

We also deal with Toronto's bullshit land transfer tax, $60 car registration fee, garbage strikes and the trainwreck of a TTC system, problems we likely would not have encountered had we not amalgamated with Toronto. So spare me your whining and put away your "blame the suburbs" attitude.

I didn't vote for FOrd because he's a buffoon, but if he can pull off all the things he says he will, we might be better off. It's not like it can get any worse, seeing as how we've spent the last 7 years under NDP rule.

Holden...You are correct. Bet you weren't expecting that. Miller was probably a good choice at the time. But when he swung the pendulum too far to the left then the natural tendency is to swing back to the right. Mr Ford may or may not swing too far to the right but that is for the future. The Miller legacy is not sustainable. Business and jobs are continually leaving the city - something must be done. Unemployment in Toronto is higher compared to the surrounding areas.


geg... I correct myself. Miller is leaving on a VERY expensive Bombardier LRT. Sole-source bids...what joke.

:-) you're right. You took me by surprise. Although I don't agree I respect your point.

You're right, Amanda - the suburbs are probably worse off post-amalgamation. But maybe that's just another argument for de-amalgamation? Maybe it should become an election issue - hold a referendum in each (former) municipality and see if the residents want to remain a part of an amalgamated city, or go off on their own once again. I'm up for that.

But one thing to keep in mind is that as the region grows, those suburbs would eventually have to urbanize, increase density, etc, whether we're talking about 1 or 6 municipalities (just look at Mississauga). So if East York, Scarborough, York, North York and Etobicoke have suffered from amalgamation, that's likely just a natural part of changing from suburb to city, a process the old City of Toronto didn't have to deal with. (Plus there are problems like downloading of services to municipalities, limitations on municipal powers, etc)

AND WILL KEEP CAMPING FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS.

I think Ford has some good ideas and I think some of his other ideas just plain "suck". Thank goodness for him needing 23 votes in Council to pass anyone of them. Some will pass and some will fail but I think we as citizens should demand that candidates are true to their word. Lieing to get votes should be outlawed at all levels of government!

Time to separate. 2 different agendas. 1 group believe in city planning from the 1960's and the other of modern times.

hah...i was thinking the same thing. some interesting points here. also, i was suprised to find out ford drives a chevy....lol.
relax people. i live downtown and wouldnt mind seeing those streetcars gone. the spadina line is the only one that is tolerable...maybe queens quay as well. would ford have blocked the building of the island airport bridge like miller did? they could put a nice bridge like that one at the mouth of the humber river there.

The only solution is de-amalgamation. I say this as someone who grew up in Central Etobicoke and has lived downtown for the past 10 years. If you look at the results of the last few elections, they have mostly been suburbs vs. downtown. I think we just need to realize that people in an urban setting and in a suburban setting have different ways of living their lives and different values and to try to impose a one-size-fits-all solution will only alienate a portion of the population. It requires the entire council to have a say on something that only affects one part of the city and which that part of the city may want. For example, many people downtown want bike lanes but the people in the suburbs do not since they see them as a nuisance and, due to the layout of suburbia, there are few bikes who use them so they see no use for them. Hate to say it...but going back to the Metro regional level of government and then several regional governments to deal with more local issues is the only solution. In 1997, instead of imposing the "megacity", the province should have simply looked at tinkering with what we had - for example, fire departments used to be handled by the city and police and transit were metro-wide - why not just transfer the fire department to the metro government? Also the City of York and East York should have been amalgated into the old City of Toronto so that we had four city-levels of government - Etobicoke, North York, Toronto, and Scarborough. I think that going back to a version of what we had is the only solution to this ongoing problem.

Pink and Yellow for the 2010 map? come on, that's impossible to read. Please try to use a couple colors that have different tonal values.

To all nature loving hippies who live in downtown T.O.:

If you are not happy with the environment in downtown Toronto, move out of it. I heard Quebec is nice.

Martin hits it on the heaad.

The concept of the GTA needs to be scrapped. That map looks like Toronto is under siege. Toronto is basically doomed while the GTA exists. END IT NOW.

You really should make a more accurate map, saying what the largest vote in each riding was is very misleading. It makes people think everyone in that ward voted that way when very often less than half the people the did! The winner takes all but you shouldn't ignore the voters in each riding even further by pretending they all voted blue or red. People are never going to understand how disfunctional our democracy is if the media keeps churning out useless charts like this without thinking. I wouldn't normally include you in 'the media' but you have the exact same chart at the CBC, so blogto=FAIL.

This is what the chart should look like:
-shades of purple between blue and red to indicate how much support when to each of the two. If they were neck in neck in that ward then its purple, more ford means more blue but pure blue should be reserved to the highest support ward, his home riding I assume. Also, since the Pantalone and other vote was not insignificant at all, you should also include an overlay in each ward, perhaps orange stripes? that get brighter as the total support for someone other than ford and smitherman goes up. This would show up more closely which wards were really behind Ford, which were split and which had even more complex dynamics.

The map you have, is less than useless, its deceiving.

Hasn't anyone pointed out that the 2010 map looks like we're being flipped the bird by the contrast of our own fate?

The old adage... Over promise and under deliver! Lets see if all that Ford has promised actally materializes! Only time will tell...

'Girthers' say Rob Ford not eligible to be Mayor of Toronto: http://onionto.wordpress.com/

So Today City hall announced a $275 million Surplus yes that Gravy Train is a reality- NOT. Ford OVER spent on his campaign by $650 thousand and now Mike Harris and John Tory are organizing a "Unity Dinner" for all the Mayor candidates - Ford - Thompson and Rossi are in debt and will be involved - Smitherman has No Debt and is on Holiday so could not be reached- Pantalone's debt is so small that he said he can take care of it himself and is not interested in this Unity Dinner....HMMMMMMMMMMMM

10/10 stars from me

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