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Can new restaurants survive in Liberty Village?

Posted by Robyn Urback / March 12, 2012

Liberty Village RestaurantsOrigin Restaurant has enjoyed plenty of success on King East for the past couple of years, but it is now poised to expand over to the west, where a handful of restaurants of late just couldn't stay afloat.

Liberty Village has seen a curious number of restaurant closures over the past few months, wherein places such as The Liberty, Liberty Noodle, Chuck and Co. Cinquecento Trattoria, and Liberty Belle ended up closing their doors. The trouble with Liberty Village seems to be that of the nine to five; it sees an influx of professionals in the morning, many of whom leave after work in the early evening. Of the people who do live in the area, many are first-time homeowners who are tackling their first mortgages, and don't necessarily look to dine out several times a week or feel more comfortable at pubs like Brazen Head. Lack of parking and congestion only exacerbates the issue.

Nevertheless, there are restaurants that have managed to survive (and thrive) in Liberty Village, and Mildred's Temple Kitchen is just one such example. I chat with owner and chef Donna Dooher, who has watched her restaurant grow in Liberty Village since opening in 2008. "I think what we're seeing," Dooher begins when I ask her about the area's recent closures, "is the growing pains of a neighbourhood that is growing so fast."

"I think it's really important to do your homework to find out what product will be successful in that environment. It takes a bit of massaging, and we've made plenty of changes since first opening up a few years ago."

Liberty Village RestaurantsI ask Dooher about the nature of those changes and what she thinks it takes to run a successful restaurant in Liberty Village. "I don't know if there's really an answer to that," she replies. "Of course, people are looking for value, quality, and great service. But it's important to be mindful of what your competitors are offering. If you want to open casual, quick service — well, the Metro store offers a great takeout counter. On the other end, there are a lot of first-time homeowners in the area, and you have to ask if people from other areas of the city are going to drive here for fine dining."

As for the recent string of closures, Dooher thinks it amounts to nothing more than an unfortunate coincidence — an idea that is echoed by Lynn Clay of the Liberty Village BIA. "There's an ebb and flow that happens in any community," she says. "All of those places that have closed are being replaced by new restaurants that will be moving in. It's just coincidental."

Claudio Aprile, chef at Origin, is gearing up for his late spring Liberty Village opening. He isn't concerned about the area's recent restaurant closures, likely in part because he admits he hasn't really heard about them. "It's a fertile neighbourhood with a very affluent demographic," he says. "The menu is going to embrace the area." Aprile won't spill on what will make this Origin different from the others, but he does say it will be distinctly "Liberty Village."

Discussion

33 Comments

raymes / March 12, 2012 at 05:07 pm
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certain pockets of libville feel a bit ghost towny but it's definitely all gentrifying rapidly so there's a good chance for more merchant success however, many niche businesses do tank so, avoid that. More food, less candles.
moe / March 12, 2012 at 05:56 pm
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Sadly, I do not see how Liberty is called a community already. Communities are created by people and not by building, by history not by speculation.
gr1 replying to a comment from moe / March 12, 2012 at 06:00 pm
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agreed. i work in liberty village and when i leave the office late, it scares me to think people actually live in the area. it feels so vacant.
peter poutine / March 12, 2012 at 06:19 pm
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I live in this area, and I can tell you that mortgages are the least of our worries. Not b/c we have loads of money. But, b/c we're careless and love to pile on debt.

WIth that said, though, the reason why we don't eat in our hood is b/c these restaurants are lame. We would rather go on Queen W or Ossington--a place to truly be seen and admired by others. Liberty Village is not a place to party and live like hipsters. It's just a place to live.
Anne / March 12, 2012 at 06:33 pm
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Another reason may be the fact that most if not all the restuarants pretty much suck in this neighbourhood. Except for Mildred's, the quality of food is sub par compared to places nearby on queen or king street. I have lived in this area for 3 months and I dont think I have had one decent meal yet.

joanna / March 12, 2012 at 06:45 pm
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peter poutine, you sound incredibly intelligent and profound. you summarize a lot of what is wrong with toronto with your kind of mind set. unless you plan on dying soon, accumulating apathetic debt and being proud of it is baffling. but i guess you refer to yourself as a hipster, so go figure. however, will you still be able use that excuse when you're old and claiming bankruptcy?

liberty village has a highly industrialized feel to it and is more "work" based as opposed to friendly, inviting and relaxing. i go to liberty when i have errands - gym, grocery, lcbo. i see no reason to plan an outing to any bar or restaurant in the vicinity. in fact, i hardly notice them anyway due to the mechanic nature of the area. origin might have a shot though.... time will tell
peter poutine replying to a comment from joanna / March 12, 2012 at 07:04 pm
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joanna / MARCH 12, 2012 AT 06:45 PM
"peter poutine, you sound incredibly intelligent and profound. you summarize a lot of what is wrong with toronto with your kind of mind set. unless you plan on dying soon, accumulating apathetic debt and being proud of it is baffling. but i guess you refer to yourself as a hipster, so go figure. however, will you still be able use that excuse when you're old and claiming bankruptcy? "

Joanna: Thank you very much for your compliment! Yes, I am "incredibly intelligent". By the sounds of it, you must still live with your parents. I don't know if you know this, but we're all racked up in debt. Please get up to speed with the facts. I'm just one to admit it. But, I guess, you're not. Go on, Joanna. Please continue to buy your designer clothes on credit, and keep pretending that you're richer than you actually are! :P
Week / March 12, 2012 at 07:19 pm
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The problem is the terrible layout of Liberty Village. Much of it is not easily accessible via transit nor is it pedestrian-friendly.

Getting to many of the businesses in the area (particularly when it is raining and muddy) is like trial by ordeal and involves zig-zagging around poorly planned condos and through poorly-lit parking lots.

I can spend 10 minutes on Queen or King and take my pick of dozens of restaurants. Why am I going to spending 30 minutes freezing (and possibly being run over) while ruining my shoes traipsing down series of alleys filled with dog droppings?
forthelovepfpete replying to a comment from joanna / March 12, 2012 at 07:28 pm
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Oh, c'mon, Joanna. PetePoutine is simply flexing his, I imagine, very sinewy though hip muscle(s). I am concerned less by his intelligence and more bu=y his bowel - it seems he has made a physiological art of speaking out of his *******. Not to mention that the sad fact of his moniker. Yikes.

I began what is now a 27 year career in Liberty "Village". It was home and business to many photographers. Underground dj's, some of the very best and most memorable after hours parties... Wafer thin though gorgeous models, bug eyed make up artists, moody hairdressers marched onto and into the maze like "village". It's come a long way. So long and so far, and not at all compelling.

Sad for PetePoutine, actually.
mondayjane replying to a comment from Week / March 12, 2012 at 07:53 pm
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Absolutely, Week. I live in Parkdale and the only reason I go to Libery Village is to buy tchotchkes from West Elm, brunch at Mildred's, the LCBO when I need a "better" bottle of wine, and occasionally to visit a friend who lives in one of the countless condo buildings. It really does not invite "hey-let's-stroll-through-Liberty-Village". It feels contrived, suburban, and too spread-out.
M / March 12, 2012 at 07:56 pm
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The place is desolate and has no walking appeal whatsoever. Are people willing to come out of their condo buildings and wander the dimly lit streets, alone? No. Is it a destination for any other reason? No. Liberty Village will support your restaurant if you can pay the rent at lunchtime. Dinner restaurants? No...
Splash / March 12, 2012 at 07:59 pm
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Liberty village is going to be a mess in a year or 2, once all them condos are done and people finish moving in. taking the ttc is a pain in the ass every morning. they are just FULL FULL FULL. theirs only 5 ways to get in and get out from that area. And during peak hours is a bitch, and it will get worst as time goes by.

Opening a business in liberty village is not a bad thing, not doing your home work or adapting to peoples needs is different. But like week said, the layout in liberty village is terrible. just go on map.google.com or just go down there and see the mess for your self.
kay / March 12, 2012 at 08:18 pm
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I live in Liberty Village in one of the countless condos. I find it hard to believe that people call the area desolate. I can't leave my building without running into people walking their dogs or going to the grocery store.

There are minimal good quality restaurants but that will change. So will the community feel once most of the condos under construction are finished. At the end of it, it's a young urban community.
leah / March 12, 2012 at 09:30 pm
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Liberty Noodle shut down because they had a huge piece real estate with one host/waiter running the place every night - leaving long waits, cold food and frustrated customers. Chuck burgers was, without a doubt, the worst burger in Toronto. Cinquecento was out-priced by Vespa ($18 for spaghetti and meatballs?) Liberty Belle was great - and closed because the owner was ill, from my understanding.

There's also two massive Green P parking lots in the area, so parking shouldn't be an issue.
Stra / March 12, 2012 at 09:46 pm
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the area will continue to change, and restaurants will find their places in time, however having box stores taking up a good portion of the real estate doesn't help. They don't entice you stay once you have finished your shopping. The very nature of box stores means you drive to the location, shop, load up the car and get the hell out of there.
Joe Byer / March 12, 2012 at 10:06 pm
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Liberty Noodle and Chuck were also the same owner, met and talked to him a few times. Bit off more tha he can chew... But I think he has one more joint down there still going.

Have to disagree with Leah, Chuck burgers were great!
envy / March 13, 2012 at 12:22 am
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Because someone has more wealth than you, there is no reason to bash it.

You walk by people of different lifestyles every day. It has no effect on you, and you just walk by.

Why this place has a vendetta against condos, I'll never know.
Curly / March 13, 2012 at 04:19 am
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because renting a shithole above a hardware store on Dundas West when you're in your 30s is keeping it real, while condo owners are soulless parasites on the urban landscape. They should just move to the suburbs already.
wait replying to a comment from Curly / March 13, 2012 at 04:47 am
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Can't tell if serious or ironic anymore.
Welp / March 13, 2012 at 08:27 am
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The folks at Origin surely have a good thing going on King E. and clearly know how to run a business, versus the hacks who have failed in Lib before. I'm sure that buzz and proper execution will see them through.

Brendan / March 13, 2012 at 08:47 am
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Chuck burgers were dusty turds. Their St. Clair & Christie location closed too and that area is having a restaurant & real estate boom right now. Their demise had nothing to do with location and everything to do with crap product and poor management. I could never tell if the St. Clair location was open because they put these black decal stickers on the windows and you couldn't see in.
Bellz / March 13, 2012 at 09:41 am
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Liberty Village has a lot of great amenities that those of us living on the outskirts can and should take full advantage of. My roommates and I shop and work out there, but it is only on rare occasions or in a pinch that we choose to eat out there. Our issue is the repeatedly poor and apathetic service we've received at several of the restaurants in LV, especially considering the underwhelming nature of the food. I'm surprised no one has mentioned Williams Landing yet. Prime real estate, great patio, fortunate to have the financial backing necessary to survive (affiliated with South of Temperance), with absolutely god awful service & mediocre food at best. It's a pity other places are dying off while this place thrives. That all being said, I think the 'Villagers' are prepared to Support new restaurants, but proper research should be done in order to avoid the fate of the ghosts of restaurants past.
The Real Johnson / March 13, 2012 at 11:22 am
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Why the hell is the ad for Origin a kid with a handgun??
jer replying to a comment from The Real Johnson / March 13, 2012 at 12:34 pm
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Was wondering the same thing.

Weird ad
K / March 13, 2012 at 12:46 pm
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I'll be moving into the neighborhood by the end of the year, hopefully. To be honest, when we bought our new construction loft, we considered many neighborhoods in Toronto...Corktown, Leslieville...and none really had the 'community-feel' or the amenities that LV offers. For the past three years, we've been visiting LV and watching our loft develop from a parking lot to a hole in the ground to a half-built structure now. LV has certainly grown and purged of unsuccessful businesses/resturants over the last couple of years, but I'm still optimistic that I'll love living in the neighborhood where I'm a stone's throw to everything I need - money (bank), food, coffee (Starbucks, Balzac's, Aroma), and booze. What more can you ask for?! (I'm really sad to hear that Liberty Belle closed. It was a great lil spot!)

I've also tried to visit the area at different times of the day and every season of the year. I have to admit that the traffic flow is horrendous during the weekday business hours 9am till 5pm. But heck, I'd be at work anyhow so it doesn't really affect me. The only problem I have is the street parking outside the Liberty Market building...what the heck is that?! Is it supposed to be metered parking or are people just parking for free?! I wish they had built an underground parking to accommodate these cars that park on the streets all day. If there were no cars on the streets, it would help the traffic flow a little better. Or offer city parking permit for those living in the townhouses who owns more than one car and/or doesn't have a parking spot. I'm also not liking how people would park their cars in every nook and cranny in LV during CNE days and/or Toronto FC events in the summer.

The Liberty Market building is a nice place for small shops, but it lacks the exposure because the shops are hidden in that dark alleyway. Please do more promoting/marketing or risk closing down!

Food-wise, I was glad Liberty Noodle closed! Sorry, but slapping noodles and pieces of meat and veggies into a bowl with broth does not make it Asian-style noodles! Shame on you for trying to deceive non-Asians into thinking you're anything better than crap! Even instant noodles are better than the sh*t you served. Good riddance!

lol replying to a comment from K / March 13, 2012 at 01:30 pm
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by community-feeldo you mean frat house?
jaja / March 13, 2012 at 02:30 pm
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WILLIAM LANDING IS THE WORST FOOD I HAVE EVER HAD!! gross gross gross
K replying to a comment from lol / March 13, 2012 at 02:37 pm
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I don't believe there are more frat boys and girls living in LV than there are in the Annex.

Laura / March 13, 2012 at 06:51 pm
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Seriously???

Chuck's Montreal burger was the best burger I've tasted...
I am not sure what went wrong, but it wasnt the food.
I suspect the owner had bad management skills or didn't market himself properly.
But the food had NOTHING to do with the closure.

Still salivating over the smoked meat in the Mtl burger, topped with cumin coleslaw on a soft ciabatta bun. Mmmmmmm.
McRib / March 13, 2012 at 07:25 pm
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im pretty sure that isnt a kid with a gun and probably is a throw back to the days of munitions factories in the area.
Teena / March 13, 2012 at 08:54 pm
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I've lived in the area for 11 years and the selection of restaurants has always been grim. I hate the Brazenhead (poor food/high prices/bad service). William's Landing could be so much better. We've been to Bar Vespa once and had a good experience.
JS / March 14, 2012 at 09:46 am
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The original Liberty Village area (the west half) is all about people working 9-5 and is vacant after work. The new Liberty village to the east is all condos filled with people who work elsewhere in the daytime.

Cities work way better when there is a mix of uses integrated into every street. It means people are around all day and night. Restaurants can therefore rely on both lunch and dinner crowds. This is generally not true for LV restaurants.

I know it was the Liberty Village BIA that decided that the old LV should not have any condo developments and understand they didn't want it's original character to be lost in the huge wave of new construction. But I think it was short sighted and bad planning.

In the new area the reverse is true - the developments could have been much more urban by integrating office/commercial and other uses into the new residential area.
Andrea / March 14, 2012 at 03:34 pm
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Public transit into Liberty Village is actually good. The 63 Ossington bus runs between Eglinton West station and Liberty Village, taking Oakwood south from the north end of the route and stopping at Ossington station at Bloor. It's also a frequent route (for now).

I've heard that traffic flow is HORRIBLE during rush hour but I've also read that they're taking steps to remedy that.

I also like the food at Williams Landing, though find the service inconsistent.

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