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How can we better feed Toronto families in need?

Posted by Lauren / April 14, 2010

do the mathI first came across The Stop's Do The Math campaign in an article in the Star a couple of weeks ago. The campaign has been going on since August, but the media "noise" that The Stop has been trying to generate around the campaign has been getting louder lately.

The purpose of the campaign has been to raise awareness around the inadequacy of social assistance and to demonstrate what it's like to eat when most of your cheque goes to rent and transportation. Currently, about 700,000 people live on social assistance in Ontario.

The first phase of campaign collected the input of over 5,000 people through an online survey that asked them to estimate what they thought a single person needed to live in "dignity and reasonable health" during the course of a month in Ontario.

An average was calculated and the estimate came in at $1,400. Ontario Works offers $585 per month for single adult on social assistance. Even a person working 35 hours/week at minimum wage ($10.25) is only making $1,425 before taxes.

Phase two of the campaign, called Eat The Math, wrapped up yesterday with a community town hall meeting at the Artscape Wychwood Barns. Eat The Math challenged ten high profile Torontonians like activist Naomi Klein, singer Damian Abraham, city councillor Joe Mihevc and his family, and Toronto's Medical Officer of Health Dr. David McKeown to live from a standard issue food hamper for as long as they could.

do the mathAbout 200 people were in attendance at the town hall meeting to hear about the experiences of the participants (also documented in a blog). Most had trouble stretching the hampers they picked up from the Stop's food bank beyond a few days, let alone the week that the Stop estimates most people aim for. Several participants supplemented their hampers with drop-in meals at soup kitchens.

A hamper for a single individual generally contains $25 worth of food and might contain something like: 2 potatoes, 2 onions, 1 carrot, 2 tomatoes, 1 bag of rice, 1 can of tuna, 4 eggs, instant oatmeal, 1 litre of milk, 1 package of hot dog wieners, 1 can of soup, 1 tin of tuna, and 1 jar of peanut butter. At The Stop food bank, visitors can pick up a hamper once a month.

The stop lunchWhile following each of the participants through the challenge a few things kept coming up over and over again. Aside from the fact that most mentioned feeling socially restricted and deprived of choice, they were hungry. Getting by on rice or canned soup beefed up with hot dogs was not enough and it was impacting their day-to-day lives with headaches, crankiness, an inability to concentrate, and depleted energy.

That wasn't surprising since food hampers are heavy on shelf stable carbohydrates and processed foods high in sodium, and they are severely lacking in fruits and veggies (nowhere near the 5-10 servings per day as recommended by Health Canada).

In fact, according to the Nutritious Food Basket Survey (similar to the Consumer Price Index) done annually in Ontario, the cost is beyond what those on social assistance can afford.

Unsurprisingly, another theme that came up repeatedly in the meeting was Toronto's economic disparity, but what surprised me was that, according to Wayne Roberts head of the Toronto Food Policy Council, 21% of families live below the poverty line. Naomi Klein likened it to the existence of two different cities with too few points of intersection between them.

The math breaks down like this: a single person on Ontario Works is given $585 a month to live on. Of this, $364 must be spent on shelter leaving $221 for all other expenses (food, clothing, transportation etc). That leaves little money for food, and is why thousands turn to food banks and drop-ins for help making ends meet.

Nick Saul, the Stop's Executive Director, said the goal of this campaign isn't to criticize food banks, and he doesn't think food charity is the answer either. As we've seen throughout the winter and now into the spring, food banks are struggling to bring in enough food. What The Stop and other activists are calling for is a $100 a month Healthy Food Supplement for all adults on social assistance.

Toronto social assistanceThis is by no means a clear cut or easily navigated issue - detractors ask if increasing social assistance will just make it more comfortable for recipients and decrease incentive to find work, how we will know if increased money translates into healthy food choices, or will a food supplement actually be spent on food at all? The Ontario government has just announced it is cutting a Special Diet allowance for those on social assistance who are sick or have health-related food issues because of suspected abuse.

Coincidentally, Eat The Math participant Naomi Klein happens to suffer from several health-related dietary restrictions. She had to turn away a number of the items offered at the food bank and would not be able to survive on food hampers alone. She argues a Special Diet supplement wouldn't even be needed if people had adequate assistance to feed themselves properly in the first place.

The idea of welfare stereotypes persists and was touched upon several times at the meeting - that those receiving assistance are lazy cheats suffering from any number of character flaws and making a conscious lifestyle decision. Councillor Joe Mihevc argues that "poor bashers" are the minority and that most people agree that social assistance should provide the means to meet basic needs.

The meeting ended in typical grassroots style with a quick break-out brainstorming session to come up with ways of effecting change. Among them were suggestions of a province or even country-wide undertaking of the Eat The Math challenge, kind of like The 30 Hour Famine.

A more extreme idea was for a class action lawsuit against the government for nutrition related health ailments among those on assistance (a la McD's trial ). Still others included building increased awareness around and sensitivity to poverty in educational curriculum.

One thing was certain, there were a lot of people there ready to start working hard to make change happen. And that, according to Klein, is one the reasons the Stop is so great - they undertook this campaign as a way of creating public discourse. Nowhere has there been an ask for money or food donations. The main drive of this campaign has been advocating on behalf of the people they serve.

Photo of the soup and rice meals by Andrea Curtis, others by Magda Olszanowski.

Discussion

37 Comments

jameson / April 14, 2010 at 11:00 am
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"detractors ask if increasing social assistance will just make it more comfortable for recipients and decrease incentive to find work, how we will know if increased money translates into healthy food choices, or will a food supplement actually be spent on food at all?"

this is great conservative individual rationalization
Richard S replying to a comment from jameson / April 14, 2010 at 11:37 am
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I've come from a poor background and I became the main breadwinner in my house at 19. I was also the only one in our large family to not be on welfare, and I went to fairly rough high school (one of the worst in TO according to the latest study).

I've seen a LOT of waste and abuse. I'm very empathetic to those who are genuinely struggling, but to simply kick away the idea that many people waste their support is naive and way too optimistic. I mean, I never got public support (hell, my OSAP was rejected because I worked too much over the summer...) but it does bother me to walk past certain areas and see people on public support with iPods, expensive sports team clothing etc. And that's not the part that bothers me the most; its the amount of drug use & crime I see when I occasionally visit some of my relatives.

I'd be totally supportive of something where those on support can get healthy meals/food & all else that is needed, but I think that simply giving money isn't going to be all that great. I know too many people who willingly stay back on public support rather than doing what they can to improve.
Kimberley / April 14, 2010 at 11:51 am
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'21% of Torontonians live below the poverty line'.

As one of those 21% I can tell you that I am neither lazy, unmotivated, or am I taking any kind of advantage of the system. The last thing I EVER wanted was to end up on assistance.

I am a single mother, who was laid off last July and have not found work (I was contract and do not qualify for EI). And yes, I have looked. I have taken every opportunity for free workshops, networking, resume writing, career building - you name it. I have even tried to apply for Second Career training, only to be told that I am 'too qualified to qualify'.

I receive $928 a month to take care of myself and my son. Have you seen what housing is available for that amount? I have taken a part time minimum wage job to make ends meet, however 50% of that income (pre tax) comes off of my OW cheque. So technically I am working for 5 bucks an hour. When it tallies up at the end of the month, after OW, working, child support etc, I live on less than 1300/month.

Rent is 1000.00 easy in this city. Easy. And that's for a 1 bedroom that you would WANT to raise your child in. I realize beggars can't be choosers, however, I am not raising my child in a sh*thole, no matter how much sacrifice I have to make. Besides, average rent for an average 1 bedroom apartment is 800.00+, correct? I have friends who live in Little Italy who pay that for a bachelor!

So that leaves approx. 2-300 a month for TTC, food, bills. Do you know when the last time I had a haircut was? Or ate in a restaurant? Or even went out for a few with friends? Yonks.

I don't want to live my life this way, I appreciate that assistance is there - because as a last resort I had no other option. But I WANT to get off of it. I am college educated, hardworking, bright, attractive (if I do say so myself), but when it comes down to it - my son comes first, and his welfare comes first. Pride be damned.

To those who begrudge 100.00 extra a month, trust me, that isn't going to facilitate 'livin the life of riley', as it will still bring me way under the poverty line. But it might make the difference in the food I choose, the bills I can pay and my quality of life. One hundred measly bucks. 25 bucks a week. Seriously people. I'm not going to beg any more than I have.

It's more than my pride can take as it is.
Kimberley replying to a comment from Richard S / April 14, 2010 at 11:54 am
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I have to agree, I was in the OW office once and saw 2 teenagers/young adults making a drug deal. Right there in the office while picking up their cheques. Disgusted me, because I am one of the truly struggling and I am lumped in with those that abuse the system. I wish I had the luxury of drugs...lol.
Andrew replying to a comment from Kimberley / April 14, 2010 at 12:55 pm
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Less blog commenting and more job hunting would be a good start
Peter replying to a comment from Andrew / April 14, 2010 at 01:21 pm
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Troll.
Kimberley replying to a comment from Andrew / April 14, 2010 at 02:19 pm
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Thank you, Andrew, your esteemed opinion is appreciated. Somewhere.
However, not to justify anything to anyone, but the internet IS the number one place to find work. Hence the reason I am on it. So, unless you are going to put job postings/constructive opinions, or something else of value here, I suggest you refrain from personal attacks. It isn't nice. I may not have a job, or money, but at least I'm nice.
Andrew / April 14, 2010 at 02:33 pm
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I bet getting rid of your internet would open up your budget
Slick Rick replying to a comment from Kimberley / April 14, 2010 at 02:43 pm
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Andrew, you need to grow up and understand not everyone is heartless and selfish like yourself. You should be ashamed of yourself for making someone feel horribly about their situation. It's not nice at all and no one likes someone who isn't nice. I'm sure you'd know that first hand. As for you Kimberley. I think you sound like your are doing everything to grow your son up in a way to help him understand the situation and make the best of it. No one wants anything of lesser quality for their child and that includes people who are having a rough time with life. I hope things work out for you and you find a wonderful job and may your son grow up to be appreciate and well educated and have respect for all people including unfortunate people like Andrew who live life miserably because they have nothing better to do.
Jessica replying to a comment from Andrew / April 14, 2010 at 03:25 pm
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Good job, Andrew. It's easy to make comments like that when you're hiding behind your computer. Coward.
handfed / April 14, 2010 at 03:51 pm
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I don't want to poo on your personal story, Kimberley, but I'd like people to know that there are those of use who bust our asses for pennies and do not get handouts. I'm a grad student, I teach and work in the lab. My hours are 12+ a day including weekends. My compensation is roughly $10k a year. I receive no government handouts nor do I care about CUPE Union bullshit. If I hadn't enough to eat, I'd go sweep the streets for cash before I go to the food bank.
Foodbank? / April 14, 2010 at 04:09 pm
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Does anyone know of a foodbank in Etobicoke that I can donate food to?

I'd like to do something local and quite frankly the Daily Bread Food Bank spends waaaaaay to much on salaries ($3.4 million according to their last annual report).

I want to give somewhere that needs it and not to an organization that'll skim off the top like some third world warlord.
Denise / April 14, 2010 at 04:45 pm
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Kimberly, I'm also a single mom, and I struggle enough as it is, and I have a pretty good full time job.

I wish you the best of luck, and I hope all the best for you and your son.

Andrew, you are a jerk.
Kevin / April 14, 2010 at 05:06 pm
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I think we need to start by saying food banks are at best a stop-gap and inadequate solution to a problem that should not exist.

That said eliminating poverty is easier said than done. I would be the first to agree social assistance rates are horribly inadequate. BUT, if we were to agree on the $1,400 per month figure from the article, assuming for a moment this resulted in no change up/down in the number of people on social assistance, we would be looking at a cost of over 6 BILLION dollars per year. I think even for those of us with a progressive bent, there is a reality check on the political do-ability of that number.

That said, something must be done.

I suggest, 3 areas of action.

1)We must make work pay, such that those who are working full-time hours don't require a food bank or a housing subsidy. I would suggest raising the minimum wage, over a few years, to $13.00 per hour in today's money.

To get there w/o businesses flipping, I would suggest, in parallel, exempting more small businesses from paying corporate tax; cutting liquor license costs for food-service businesses, and lowering the drinking age to 18, and extending last call to 3am (like Quebec) increasing their chance to recover that cost; and cutting property tax rates for businesses in Toronto more quickly down to provincial norms.

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Then we can increase social assistance rates by the identical dollar figure as the hourly min. wage hike (x 40 hours) without decreasing the incentive to work at all. That would add just about $400 per month to a social assistance cheque. (this would be 985 for a single adult)

3) Finally, we need to balance kind-ness AND tough love by proving much more help to those on social assistance to get off it (from education/training assistance to addiction treatment) but we also need to impose at some point, a cut-off, so that no one is entitled to spend a lifetime on benefits, this discredits the system and the many needy beneficiaries on it. It needn't be short or cruel, just a reminder to take advantage of the help on offer.

Kevin / April 14, 2010 at 05:13 pm
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Separately,

We should address the affordability of housing in this city with 4 simple moves.

1)Reduce property tax for multi-residential (apartments) to the same as single-family homes (this would reduce average rent $80-100 per month.

2)Revise the building code to allow, safe, wooden-construction buildings up to six floors (the current limit is four) this would allow much more affordable housing to be built.

3)Squash all remaining prohibitions on basement apartments in the GTA, and find the means to legalize and regulate, safe, clean rooming houses.

4)Allow all landlords to sever parking from rent charges, and where the meet minimum standards for energy and water efficient buildings and fixtures, to do so for utilties as well (sub-metering). This could save a typical tenant more than $50 per month.

By doing this you could save tenants more than $150.00 per month off current Toronto rents, increase choice and quality of housing and allow those on low incomes much more dignity in their daily lives
Andrew / April 14, 2010 at 05:37 pm
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This is BlogTO's wet dream: a college education person on welfare complaining it's not enough! If you're willing to swallow your pride for your son like you say and are hardworking and attractive you're only a strippers pole away from government assistance.

And the rest of you numb skulls show your true ignorance to our system and economics, wanting to raise social assistance but at the same time lowering tax and licensing revenue. This is a perfect leftist circle jerk.
Kimberley / April 14, 2010 at 05:47 pm
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First off, thank you very much to those of you who 'get it'. As for the comments about working hard for low pay - I understand. I have been working since I was 15 years old until recently, and I do see all sides to this argument.

As for you, Andrew, there is a lot I could say right now in regards to your comment.
However, I believe you made enough of an ass out of yourself and you don't need my help.

p.s. the library has free internet, which people like yourself are threatening to cut, but then you'd prove your own point about the 'lower classes' being lazy and unemployed - because then we won't have anywhere to look for employment. funny thing that.
David / April 14, 2010 at 07:28 pm
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This is just a bit of math regarding donations to food banks.

Here are two scenarios:

1. I spend $25 on food at a grocery store which = $25 of groceries in retail value

2. I donate $50 to food bank, get a tax receipt, effectively only costing me $25, but that food bank takes that $50 and buys groceries wholesale, which should be around 50% of the retail cost, hopefully straight from the manufacturer. This then creates a value of $100 retail value of groceries.


Also, please no more ridiculousness of raising the minimum wage. We have started to turn the minimum wage into a wage that should provide for the "single mom, with two kids, etc.". That is not what it is there for, the majority of these jobs are filled by students part or full time and small businesses can't afford the high staffing costs.
matts replying to a comment from David / April 14, 2010 at 08:51 pm
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David, if you donate $50 your tax credit will only be 15%, I believe, and it goes to 29% after the first $200, it certainly is not 50%.

But, your main point is still valid: good, efficient charities will turn your money into more food than what you would buy yourself; money also allows them to adjust what they buy to what they already have in the warehouse.

Andrew, get tested for rabies.
Kevin / April 14, 2010 at 09:12 pm
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David,

Taking very reasonable costs, for a single person with no children, working full time.

It would be difficult to imagine making a go of a it on any less than $22,000 in after tax income, which is about $25,000 in pre-tax income.

In Toronto, 800 per month rent if your incredibly frugal and lucky is $9,600 a year, and $75 per week, all-in for food and misc. groceries (shaving cream, toilet paper etc.) is optimistic to say the least; that's another $3,900 in after-tax income, for a total of $13,500 with no clothes, no telephone, no public transit etc.

By the time you add these costs (TTC Metro pass =$1,500 per year, 1 phone, $420, etc. you end up with the figure above.

To garner that income, assuming you work 40 paid hours each week, requires a wage of just over $12.00 per hour, factoring in no paid sick days, no un-expected costs (dental/optical/prescription etc.), no room for error and no extras.

I think the suggestion that because some people who work are teens paying their cell phones that those who are not, and work full-time should recieve a miserable wage, is immoral and not intellectually sound.

If your issue is that teens make up too much of the work force, I might agree, since many do so at the expense of finishing High School or getting good grades in same.

I think a reasonable approach might be limiting work hours of those under 18 without a high school diploma to 16 hours of work per week or less.

But I don't think supressing wages of adults who need the money to get by is a fair or sensible choice.
Andrew replying to a comment from Kimberley / April 14, 2010 at 09:17 pm
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No please Kimberly go on, you've obviously come here for attention. We really want to hear the plight of the educated working poor - a.k.a. your definition of lower class. Heaven forbid those bled-dry social programs and food banks actually help people who are really poor - you know the ones who didn't go to school and beg for sympathy on blogs all day. And this is under the guise of actually helping your child and swallowing your pride! So enjoy the government programs that didn't deem you poor enough to help and modern luxuries you can easily go without while you claim there's not enough for your child. It certainly is Generation Me!
Kimberley / April 14, 2010 at 09:35 pm
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Andrew, I will leave the attention getting - positive or negative - to you.
My point (and I do indeed have one, unlike you) is that the face of poverty isn't what you think. It isn't the lazy, pothead, good for nothing, nor is it the stereotypical 'welfare mom' that you and your ilk describe. Heaven forbid your eyes and mind should open. I know it hurts Andrew.

I am talking about basic human needs, and yes, I know that there are many worse off than I am, and my heart goes out to them. What have you done Andrew? What have you done to help this instead of bitch, bemoan and degrade those who could use your seeming knowledge of the answers.

Didn't you listen to your mother? If you don't have anything nice (or constructive) to say, don't say anything at all.

You don't know me, and don't pretend to. Don't stereotype me, I don't deserve it. And for the love of whoever, please be a grown up and stop with the personal attacks.

p.s. they didn't deem me 'not poor enough' they deemed me 'too intelligent and qualified' to apply. read before you post.
Stephen / April 14, 2010 at 10:57 pm
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I guess you haven't seen crack central ( sherbourne and dundas) on Check day >>>>
Andrew replying to a comment from Kimberley / April 14, 2010 at 11:11 pm
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No need to get defensive, you're the one who goes on about how beautiful, smart and educated you are to be independent yet can't get enough off the government tit. You haven't really gone on about the struggles that the real face of poverty goes through, and it's certainly not sitting on the internet all day with a college degree.
What do I do to help? I pay my taxes, and they fund your programs. So don't act like the citizens here don't do their part.
CW / April 15, 2010 at 01:34 am
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Immigrants who can't speak the language 100% and aren't familiar with the culture who also are single parents.. are somehow working and doing alright.
kimberley / April 15, 2010 at 02:47 am
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You know what? All I was trying to do was make a point about how the misguided stereotype is played out. I didn't come here to be personally vilified for my life, or my choices. I would LOVE to see any one of you in the same situation. Believe it or not, I was one of 'you' not that long ago. Manager at an ad agency, my own business, contract gigs out the wazoo.

My point was, and is, it can happen to any of you/us. And if you go on denying that fact you are either as dumb as a bag of hammers, or completely and hopelessly ignorant as you sound. I truly hope that's not the case.

I don't recall saying 'beautiful', but thank you Andrew.
As for sitting on the internet all day with a college degree, well I'm sure your boss would love to know what you are doing with your pay.

Btw, dear, I have paid taxes for over 20 years. Full time. I worked my OWN way through College. I have paid my dues, don't make it seem as if, nor imply, nor state, that I am living off any teet. When you are hooked up to life support after a failed pole-up-the-assomectomy who's gonna pay that bill? The government, us, we, all. Remember that. You want your social programs for you. But they are for all.

CW, we are all immigrants, unless of course you are indeed Native Canadian, which by your tone for some reason I doubt highly. (for the record, I dare you to spend one day of your life in a minimum wage gig supporting a family living in a rental complex in some unsavourable area of town and then you have the right to comment on that - until then, not so much. Our Country has an open immigration policy - you don't like it? talk to your PM)
Christy / April 15, 2010 at 07:09 am
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Interesting thoughts from Kevin about changing the structure. I never thought I would see wisdom in providing a cut-off (after a certain number of years.) Maybe. Mandating treatment - I don't know. But interesting.

This is a serious problem of class and poverty. And if you've had a shitty start to life (poor, family problems, social problems..) or somehow or other find yourself in the position of accepting social assistance, it would be REALLY difficult to move up from there. Living in a shit hole, unable to afford proper food, tired, cranky, depleted, .. and looking good at an interview? Riight. I've seen it working with people in that situation. Mental health issues, limited training - not exactly easy to fix. I know that it can sometimes be done, and people will jump on that, but...

It's interesting how the personal flames came up in this thread. I feel like that's what a lot of welfare talk comes to. People either have no experience with it, or a personal vendetta based on 'someone they knew' or saw... Do we cite individual businessmen when we're talking about taxes? No. We look at the system as a whole.
And we should do the same for social assistance.
Christy / April 15, 2010 at 07:10 am
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ps-
That is not to discourage all those accepting social assistance from TRYING to move up. Not at all.

But designing the system to require such mobility while making it, at the same time, very difficult - is ridiculous.
DailyBreadSux replying to a comment from David / April 15, 2010 at 07:59 am
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Actually, if it's Daily Bread they only spend 50% of your $50 donation on wholesale food and use the rest to pay themselves, so either way you're just donating $25 worth of groceries.
DailyBreadSux / April 15, 2010 at 08:07 am
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...and to back it up, citing their own annual report, in 2008 the Daily Bread Food Bank only spent $1.2 million of their $6 million budget on food.

That's not bang a charity, it's a big bloated bureaucracy.
Andrew replying to a comment from kimberley / April 15, 2010 at 10:03 am
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"Manager at an ad agency, my own business, contract gigs out the wazoo."

So this is the new face of poverty, Kimberly? Sounds like you are milking the system if you ask me.
Kimberley / April 15, 2010 at 10:07 am
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@Christy, good points. It's really truly hard for someone who's been in the welfare cycle to get out of it. (I'm referring to parents who receive and then at home older children who receive). They tend to just not have the basic skills required for the employed world. They've never been shown, and are stuck to a certain extent.

And there are services such as Dress for Success/Dress your Best, which help new immigrants, OW recipients and others to find suitable career clothing, have mock interviews, etc. But my guess is that it's false pride keeping people from utilizing these services, or depression (ie 'what's the point').

I would guess that a lot of recipients are suffering from depression and anxiety related health problems. Exacerbate that with lack of proper nutrition and it is one hell of a cycle.

Why not have gift certificates for fruits and veg at participating grocers or the St Lawrence Mkt? If you don't want to give cash - fine point and argument made- why not gift certificates/vouchers/half price coupons. Something that would help recipients get some proper nutrition, that isn't demoralizing like food stamps. More of an actual gift card. Maybe it could be used at the local farmers markets as well.

If every recipient had a preloaded card for 100.00 every month, then could use the card as they saw fit (but only where you can buy fresh produce) it would be controlled and controllable from all standpoints.
Allison replying to a comment from Kimberley / April 16, 2010 at 11:48 am
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"Manager at an ad agency, my own business, contract gigs out the wazoo."

And you weren't able to save 6-12 months of expenses to use in the event of lay-off instead of having to turn to social assistance right away? I'm not judging, this is an honest question - see below.

"One hundred measly bucks. 25 bucks a week."

If you weren't able to save up money while you were working a well-paid, full-time job then you should agree that taxes are already high and that coming up with the extra $100/month for every person receiving social assistance isn't so easy. If all of the 700,000 people in Ontario receiving social assistance (per the blog posting) were to receive an extra $100/month, that's an extra $70M per month that needs to come from taxes.

CW / April 19, 2010 at 01:17 am
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"unless of course you are indeed Native Canadian, which by your tone for some reason I doubt highly"

What is that supposed to mean?

And I think you misunderstood. I meant those who come and aren't familiar with the language and somehow are working in English-speaking jobs. They somehow can handle raising their families, keeping a home, etc. While you seem to be highly educated and had a good standing job and now can't get back on your feet. It just doesn't make sense, you seem to have the experience?

And I don't have to try living in that situation, I have gone through far worse. Want to hear my story, here it is.

I grew up working since I was 6 (yes 6) trying to support my family with my other 2 siblings who were only 3 and 5 years older. Until the point where my whole family was killed, except for myself and my older sister. After some time in our country we tried to support ourselves, this was a struggle and we ended up going to Canada. By this point I was 15. And with no past education, no support from family or friends, no English, I have grown. I never went to a food bank or got any help from anyone, just had to remember to stay strong and continue on. Though my job is something not in my interest/talent I have worked hard to get where I am. I'm not complaining, I am happy where I am.

We all come from other situations, this is no competition on who needs more help or whatnot. Life is hard, no one said it would be easy. Deal with it. Get a job and help your child grow up in an good environment. That is the worst thing you could do, your child does not deserve it. We all make mistakes, we all get bad things thrown at us unexpectedly, we all have our own struggles. And its only up to us to fix it, no one is going to hold your hand.
moonbuggy replying to a comment from Andrew / April 22, 2010 at 11:10 pm
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"You haven't really gone on about the struggles that the real face of poverty goes through"

Andrew, you keep on talking sarcastically about this "new face of poverty", but I don't really see why someone who's living below the poverty line wouldn't classify as poor just because they have a college education. I'm getting the sense that your idea of poverty is more closely associated with starving children in Africa or something, which ultimately is a very narrow mindset.
Joy / September 5, 2010 at 09:48 am
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What about the working poor? I do work, and I work for the government. I gross $1200 a month - all the deductions I net $980. In Nov I am eligible for benifits but that is $200 plus I still pay 50% for all drugs dental ect. If I don't take them I can be denied them later ( they have denied them to others)so I really should take them. that will mean my income is now $780. I live in subsidized housing but they calculate it at 30% of gross pay. Somehow they have decided I should be paying $512 for rent. That is not 30%, I have asked for an explanation. If it wasn't for $300 child tax credit we would starve.
Star replying to a comment from Kimberley / September 28, 2010 at 01:16 pm
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I'm totally agreed with you. I'm a single mother of 2 children and for the last 2 year I'm in the social Assistance. I'm not working right now, but I spend 1 year 4 month in College. I have 2 diplomas, (Legal Assistant and Paralegal) even I get my license paralegal since last October. I have to add that I'm immigrant with a bachelor degree back home and since I arrived here start working as a housekeeper for 6 month and after that I was working as a Filing Clerk for almost 3 years. I’m not considered myself a lazy person, totally opposite I’m hard worker, tenacious and focus in bring to my children a better life. I’m looking for a job for 8 month and I can’t find it and right now I don’t have a daycare, but I will starting a volunteer job in a week at a Legal Clinic even when I don’t have to doing,( my younger child is 4 years old).
At the beginning I don’t want to be a part of the Social Assistance, but when you have a family dependent without a job and with a marrow possibility to find it in the recession situation, well you have to doing .I glad that I have a money for pay my rent and food, but I don’t want to live on that forever, that the point. Anyone can be to use the Social Assistant but you have to do something to been out.

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