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St. James Town and the messy politics of urban renewal

Posted by Chris Bateman / April 26, 2014

toronto st james townWhen it was first proposed in the 1960s, St. James Town was the biggest urban renewal project ever conceived in Toronto. By clearing a vast swath of crumbling Victorian properties in one of the city's poorest neighbourhoods, urban planners aimed to engineer the densest concentration of people in the country. The only people standing in the way were the owners of a handful of holdout homes who refused to budge.

Lucio Casaccio, a taylor, and Francis Berghofer, and 68-year-old grandmother, both fought to keep their homes against the St. James Town developer with varying levels of success. The remnants of their battles are still visible today, if you know where to look.

toronto st james townIn the 1950s, many of the Victorian homes of north Cabbagetown were seriously grim. Many of the rental properties were owned by unscrupulous landlords and lacked even the most basic utilities.

One St. James Avenue mother told the city how she was forced to keep a light on above her two-month-old baby's crib to ward off rats and mice. Five families - 11 children and 10 adults - shared her building and its single bathroom. In a letter, she complained of roaches, faulty wiring, broken plumbing, and a lack of heat in winter. And she wasn't alone.

Inspections by health and building inspectors uncovered horrific conditions. Ceilings were collapsing, rotten floor boards created pits into filthy basements, and light fixtures hung off walls. "People shouldn't be living here," alderman June Marks told a tenant during a visit that was covered by the Toronto Star. The woman's pet cat had a freshly killed rat in its mouth. It waited, she said, by a hole in the wall for a new rodent to emerge every day.

toronto st james townLandlords were often to blame for the gross unsanitary conditions. Joseph Shori, the owner of some 24 properties in the area, said he rented one his St. James Town homes for $89 a month to a total of 23 tenants. He blamed people who were behind on rent for leaving the buildings in a not "ideal condition." (He would later threaten to cut off the heat, light and power to his properties when his tenants complained to the city's Board of Control.)

At the time, the city still routinely referred homeless welfare families to the neighbourhood. Inspectors were supposed to ensure the buildings were fit for habitation but, as the Star reported, the official advice was to lock doors to dangerous rooms and, in one case, avoid standing or sleeping underneath a semi-collapsed ceiling.

Leo Apter, a property manager for a company that rented some 200 homes in downtown Toronto, said it wasn't worth fixing homes that might be razed in a few years. "The rent is so cheap the company would lose money if it had to make repairs," he said. In the end, the city agreed to take over many of the worst homes ahead of demolition.

The first phase of the St. James Town redevelopment, which razed the block between Ontario and Parliament streets, was given the go-ahead in 1965. An early version of the project called for the removal of all the original homes between Wellesley and Bloor, including those north of Howard Street (more on that in a moment.)

toronto st james townClearing the area proved problematic. The Toronto Housing Authority and Ontario Housing Corp. leased homes south of St. James Town for the families displaced by construction but found squatters moved into the vacated homes as quickly as they could be emptied. Some people refused to move altogether.

Lucio Casaccio was the staunchest of the early holdouts. His family owned a store at 600 Parliament Street and he was insistent the developers pay $100,000 (about $750,000 in 2014 money) - more than twice the price paid for neighbouring buildings - for the privilege of knocking it down. His father, a tailor like him, had bought the home in 1915 and started the family business out of the building.

Unfortunately for Casaccio, his building wasn't in the way of any of the planned towers and work simply began around his little home. In 1967, the three-pointed building at the corner of Wellesley and Parliament loomed over his backyard.

"We now own all the property between Ontario, Parliament, Howard, and Wellesley streets except his," said Elmore Houser, the lawyer for the developers. "We have told him we are reaching the point where we are no longer interested in buying his property for anything more than its nuisance value, but he won't believe it."

"Do you know the price they paid for the last properties they got on Ontario Street?" Casaccio rhetorically asked a reporter. The answer, it seems, was about $22,000. The developer's final offer was $45,000, which he rejected.

Casaccio scored a victory of sorts. The developers never did get their hands on his home and he got to keep the stump of the public lane that ran past his front door. New World Coin Laundry now occupies an extensively remodelled version of the house he resisted selling for so long. It's the last of its kind on the west side of Parliament between Wellesley and Parliament.

toronto st james townSimilar oddities occurred on the other side of the housing development. The second phase of St. James Town, which didn't win final city council approval until September 1971, left buildings marooned along Sherbourne and around the corner onto the south side of Howard, where high-rises were proposed but never built. 583 Sherbourne, a fast food joint, is one of the more conspicuous relics because it is surrounded on three sides by a park.

But not all the second phase holdouts were successful. 68-year-old Francis Berghofer, who lived in a 12-room house near the corner of Earl Street, clung to the property she had lovingly restored with her husband, Henry, as the neighbours towers once again began to encroach on old homes.

"They started two years ago, these real estate people, knocking on the door day after day wanting me to sell," she told the Star. "I talked to my neighbour and we agreed we wouldn't give in. Then one day she told me she'd sold. She cried to me, said she shouldn't have done it, said she should have listened to me."

For Berghofer, refusing to part with her home was a point of pride. The couple's first house on Maitland Place had been expropriated by the Board of Education and they sold their second, also on Sherbourne, in fear of the same. Henry, who had suffered a series of strokes, was in a nursing home, which left the grandmother to face down the developers by herself. "I hate being alone," she said. "I have so many friends round here and I'm well liked."

The fight to save the home with its carved wooden mantelpiece and brass fireplace eventually became too much, and Berghofer sold in 1971.

"I gave up ... it was no use arguing any longer," she said. "I've had enough of being pushed out of places I want to stay in. If they force me out of my new house, the next place I move to will be the cemetery. Nobody will move me from there."

She died in 1997, aged 95, and is interred at Holy Cross Cemetery.

toronto st james townNorth of Howard, a street named for the architect who gifted the city High Park, there are more Victorian buildings, many of them practically falling down due to neglect. The St. James Town developer had planned to build two more towers here when it started acquiring land in the early 60s. The properties it managed to buy were knocked down in advance of the incoming concrete, but the ones it couldn't get, including No. 76, stayed.

Before the Prince Edward viaduct extended Bloor Street east to Parliament and beyond in 1913, the houses on Howard had a backyard that ended in the steep hill of the Rosedale Ravine. No. 76, also known as the William Whitehead House, was built in 1887 when the address had the cachet of neighbouring Rosedale. Whitehead was a wealthy commissions merchant who had the house built in a Queen Anne Revival style popular at the time.

By 1949, with the street in decline, the building was converted into three apartments.

The latest plan for the block also involves redevelopment. A proposal that was granted final approval by city council in November will see the house uprooted and moved west to a vacant lot. Other forlorn Victorian homes on Sherbourne and Glen Road will be worked into the design, which also calls for four residential towers, the tallest of which will be 45 storeys, and several townhomes.

In true local fashion, the development is currently the subject of an appeal to the Ontario Municipal Board.

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Chris Bateman is a staff writer at blogTO. Follow him on Twitter at @chrisbateman.

Image: Toronto Public Library, City of Toronto Archives, Toronto Star

Discussion

83 Comments

Ian / April 26, 2014 at 09:51 am
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Olivia Chow really screwed this neighborhood over. While shes trying to get votes and launch her campaign there, she's completely ignored this area since the day she left!
Mark / April 26, 2014 at 10:00 am
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Huge improvement. Instead of rundown old homes they put up rundown apartments populated by crack dealers and prostitutes. Urban renewal at its finest.
Yardl / April 26, 2014 at 10:07 am
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A sad tale, but necessary to maintain a vibrant and growing city. The problem with the high-rises in a redevelopment like Bloor/Sherbourne is they should never be used as permanent places - just temporary refuges to get your life back together - maybe 2-3 years max under a city directed, rent-reduced, social-worker-supervised plan. I think that creating a community, in such places, and then clinging to it so that you can't feel comfortable anywhere else is a sign of mental illness, not some kind of Jane Jacobs-type neighborhood-building exercise. Strong people are resilient and flexible to their circumstances - and that should be encouraged in all socialized housing. That all being said, if there is no opportunity to get these people solid full-time work and skills - to which everyone has a personal duty to do unless you're bedridden - then nothing matters, as you're stuck - and I believe, crazily, that is more the case in TO now then 10 years ago. Willing people but no work, expensive school. Everyone loses. But if opportunity is available, then I have no problem the city paying fair market value and expropriating questionable and even safe family homes if a supportive development (ideally city developed, not privately developed) will help the city as a whole. If you think that private property is sacred (at any cost) and that the needs of the community are less valuable, then a city is not for you. I have little sympathy for those hold-outs who obstruct opportunity for others - that level of sentimentality and pride and stubbornness is a mental illness, destabilizing for the area, not enriching of it.
Thomas replying to a comment from Ian / April 26, 2014 at 10:28 am
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How would Chow, a federal MP for a totally different riding have had any control in helping this neighbourhood?
chester replying to a comment from Yardl / April 26, 2014 at 11:26 am
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I completely agree. I worked for TCHC a few years back and I must say all the stuff you hear in the news about the organization is just scratching the surface. Gross mismanagement, overspending, misallocation of funds, you name it they have problems. Social housing should never be a permanent fix. We should be providing appropriate rent rates and giving people the resources to improve their situation. We built s few buildings back in the mid 2000's and a year later we would go by and there were already signs of serious neglect. Old mattresses on balconies, holes in the wall, we even had a gentlemen who was hoarding old newspapers 6 feet high on his balcony and didn't see the fire hazard we was causing. People deserve to live with dignity but people have to be held accountable, and when you give them no reason to do so they won't care. TCHC is going through it's second CEO scandal in 6 years that should tell you something about the organization. Don't blame politicians for this its just big fat cats in public service who get a free budget for social services.
steve replying to a comment from Ian / April 26, 2014 at 11:51 am
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How is it Olivia Chows fault? Your just uttering senseless garbage. Give me proof positive Olivia made a mess of St James or was involved in anyway with the running of it.Other wise you present yourself as a foolish boor lacking in any kind of credibility and intelligent thinking.
jim shields / April 26, 2014 at 01:06 pm
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i live in St. Jamestown...and i have never seen a crack dealer or prostitute around. what i've seen are young couples, single working people, young families, and new immigrants who come here because it's one of the few remaining places to find affordable rents in the city. but this is not 'social housing'...this is market rentals. only a very small percent of occupants living here are TCHC social housing occupants. it's a myth to think that everyone living here is living in social housing. my rent increases every year, like everywhere else. and with new management doing upgrades to the buildings, like renovating corridors, putting in new windows...you can bet rents will be jacked up as a result.

The new management knows that property values will increase with a new condo development to be built just north of St Jamestown and they will jump on a chance to raise rents. It will soon be unaffordable for many people living here. But instead of people speaking up about disappearing affordable rents in the city, they will perpetuate old myths, and target people in St. Jamestown as crack heads and prostitutes. You just give more power to property owners and city developers looking for maximum profit.
Dr. Kukko / April 26, 2014 at 01:31 pm
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The ignorant Olivia Chow comments apparently are the best F--d Nation can do in the face of Mayor Pig's bestial behaviour, ideas and speech. Can he go any deeper into the cesspool he has created other than by inciting fear and loathing at TCHC?
Ian replying to a comment from Thomas / April 26, 2014 at 01:32 pm
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Those that are passionate about a city and/or an area of the city stay passionate about it and help the area out regardless of position.

Why is Olivia Chow now returning to the area 30+years after moving out and trying to claim she's part of the St.James town community and is one of the common people just like those that live there today? A very cheap way to get votes from a needy area, without any promises of helping out.
Dr. Kukko / April 26, 2014 at 01:36 pm
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The best tenant stories have nothing to do with TCHC; instead, its private housing, where the classic is the landlord dealing with a leak finding the source in the upper floor 'field of tomatoes' where the living/room dining room was covered with soil and a bumper crop of tomatoes.
Rachael replying to a comment from Ian / April 26, 2014 at 01:46 pm
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What are you talking about Olivia Chow got a celebrity endorsement this week from director and actress Sarah Polley who is a very knowledgeable and an upstanding citizen.

What's your candidate Mayor McPorky doing today, ohh he's meeting with the washed up Iron Sheik at Belly Buster subs as part of Hot Docs, the guy is a total idiot he thinks they'er interested in him, NO their interested in promoting Belly Buster subs and the film as the owners of the restaurant are the same people that made the Iron Sheik film that's playing at Hot Docs. Ford is foolishly walking into a promo....
Greg replying to a comment from jim shields / April 26, 2014 at 01:48 pm
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Most of your comments are correct, however if you've never seen a crack dealer I question how observant you are. I live at Wellesley & Jarvis (11 yrs), I frequent Parliament Street and my walk takes me along Wellesley to Parliament and I've seen plenty of drug action just walking by. St. Jamestown is not as bad as people make it out to be, but there are a lot of people living in that area so there are more problems - it's really that simple.
nik / April 26, 2014 at 01:51 pm
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In my opinion, the St Jamestown area has way more of a community feel than in the parts of town with a high density of the glass condo highrises, or with a large number of chain stores. If the apartment sizes within the St. Jamestown buildings are larger than the new glass condo ones, then they might become a relatively more attractive place to live in the future. Especially for families that need more apartment space and more outside play space for their kids and pets.
Randy / April 26, 2014 at 01:57 pm
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St. James Town is one of the only places I can find good jerk pork in the city. Most Caribbean restaurants don't even offer jerk pork at all anymore. I know alot don't offer it on their menus because of personal or religious reasons. It is sooooo good. I still get it at Mr. Jerk on Wellesley since they moved there from Dundas Square some 20 years ago.
Mary / April 26, 2014 at 02:00 pm
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Why is it that if anyone challenges the actions of any of the mayoral candidates it assumed it must be a Ford supporter and Ford Nation. I don't get but see it on here all the time
Dr. Kukko / April 26, 2014 at 02:23 pm
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Ian's ignorance about what Olivia Chow's been doing since she left St. Jamestown is transparent. Presenting fiction as fact is an old propaganda technique. Ian and the rest of F--d Nation should be ashamed of themselves. Ford, of course, has nothing but propaganda, no substance, no policy, no honesty, no integrity.
Hail Mary / April 26, 2014 at 02:25 pm
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You see it because the approach of almost all comments is the same, i.e. the empty rhetoric of Ford. Can't you see it?
Ben Johnston / April 26, 2014 at 02:34 pm
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I jus' bin runnin' 'round St' James Town REALLY FAST lookin' fer 10,000 Easter Eggs! Good plannin' dere, lotsa space to run. But no eggs!
Nelson Mandela / April 26, 2014 at 02:35 pm
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Ben, look for the eggs where you might find crack/PEDs..
Ian replying to a comment from Dr. Kukko / April 26, 2014 at 02:52 pm
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Its transparent because she has done nothing for St. Jamestown since she left. We can all clearly see that day. But she's back in the neighborhood because its an election year. We'll have to wait and see if she returns whether she gets elected or NOT.
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Ian / April 26, 2014 at 02:53 pm
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And you know this, how?

Just another Ford Nation member with a big mouth and small teetee.
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Yardl / April 26, 2014 at 03:05 pm
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Oh look, more Ayn Rand bullshit from somebody who thinks that their reading of neocon bullshit makes them smart. What's next-Sanctuary Districts where only the poor and hard-to-house can stay, with the rest of the city off-limits?

Not everybody who lives in public housing is a washout, you asshole, and they don't need your 'help' to get anywhere. Instead of regurgitating greedy neocon libertarian bullshit about people whose life situations and histories you know jack shit about, why not work to remedy the underlying causes of the poverty that you despise so much? Why not talk to some people and find out why things are the way they are for them? It would be a lot easier and better if you did, instead of ASSuming that certain people are out to rip you and the system off. Or would doing so cause you to have a brain aneurysm?
Nyuk,, nyuk, nuk / April 26, 2014 at 04:11 pm
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Too late! Yardl's brain aneurysm burst long ago!
Dr. Yukko / April 26, 2014 at 04:12 pm
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You mean you actually read all of Yardl's windy, bloated comment? That would give me an aneurysm!
Ian is transparent / April 26, 2014 at 05:01 pm
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A transparent Ford employee.
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Dr. Yukko / April 26, 2014 at 05:33 pm
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Hey. somebody had to, and somebody decided to respond to it and kick ass. Might as well be me.
And another thing Mary... / April 26, 2014 at 05:37 pm
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Why no response from Ford's maggots about his Twilight Zone Danzig comments? Just "Oh Olivia Chow abandoned St. James Town"; that is fiction to distract from Ford's incredible lack of humanity.
steve / April 26, 2014 at 06:19 pm
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Hey folks lets get a few facts straight here. The area referred to as St James Town had three separate developments in it. Two or is it three buildings are owned by TCHC. The rest are owned by non public, private companies. How any politician has any input in the running of these building is just a ridiculous argument. The city gets involved with building fire and safety code violations. Politician work on the community level, BBQs, picnics, event etc. Olivia Chow has not been near this area politically.
Danzig Street / April 26, 2014 at 08:59 pm
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Well, Ford Nation? Any explanation for Ford's Neanderthalic statements?
linden replying to a comment from steve / April 26, 2014 at 09:25 pm
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I guess people just see St James town as one, and consider it is all part of TCHC.Personally I think community housing complexes should not exist in their current form; just spred people around the city, few families here and there, and then the city can really achive mix income communities. The current statistics shows that certain level of crime is commited within 100 m of those CH, which shows what failiure the current structure is.
Truth Be Told / April 26, 2014 at 10:35 pm
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Obvious Ford Retards are trying to smear Olivia Chow.
christopher / April 26, 2014 at 10:59 pm
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Jim Shields-You speak with pride of your community and where you live. I hope to hear from more people in Jamestown and not from the pundits.
Debbie / April 26, 2014 at 11:12 pm
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Who cares about Fords Danzig comments. The title of this thread reads St.James Town =Olivia Chow, & Politics = Olivia Chow.

Is Olivia staking claim to St. James Town in her campaign kick off? If so what did she ever do to back up that claim? If she really cared about the community why did she hold her kick off in a christan church?
Debbie / April 26, 2014 at 11:14 pm
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Olivia knows the community is not all Christians, why hold a campaign kick off at a Christian Church?
Peter Undit / April 26, 2014 at 11:35 pm
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Well! How about me? P.Undit's the name, St. Jamestown's the game. We St. J.'s just hate Mayorman Fordfuck!
Debbie's Someoldwhore / April 26, 2014 at 11:36 pm
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Yep, not worth $10.
WWW / April 27, 2014 at 12:39 am
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Rob Ford + Hulk Hogan vs. Olivian Chow + Iron Sheik tag team match at Wrestlemania!!!!
The circus is back in town / April 27, 2014 at 08:38 am
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Why isn't Norm Kelly running for Mayor? He was appointed deputy mayor because he was the best person for the job, and has done a fantastic job keeping city hall moving under all this nonsense.


Olivia Chow just joined the circus tent by brining the Iron Sheik in. WTF?
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/04/26/the-iron-sheik-supports-olivia-chow-for-toronto-mayor
kn / April 27, 2014 at 08:59 am
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St. Jamestown is a ghetto. Allowing this kind of density of one type of housing typology, is a disaster. Regent park, Atkinson coop, Lawrence park and Jane and Finch are all ghettos created by the same approach to urban planning. Some were created by the market and the others were designed by the city specifically for public housing. The latter is even a worse offence as it designated specific communities for the poor. How could this type of societal manipulation be good??

The disgusting aspect of all of this is the city and the TCHC is simply rebuilding these ghettos. Regent park in 15 yrs will end up in the same state since most of the original tenants of the public housing haven't been integrated into the broader communities of Toronto. As will Atkinson coop. In fact, Adam Vaughan has gone so far as to promise Zero displacement to the residents of Atkinson. The redevelopment of Atkinson proposes overdevelopment/density almost as high as St. Jamestown. The objective? Rebuild a public housing ghetto designated to house the poor in perpetuity.

I'm no supporter of Ford but councillors like Adam Vaughan have bullied developments such as Atkinson without even a nod to due diligence. (The city refuses to even provide crime stats for these areas in an attempt to move their political agendas forward.)

Density of poverty, not poverty in itself per se, is the issue here.

When will the city move on and develop new ideas on how to provide affordable housing and urban design??

Jane and Finch disaster, St. Jamestown disaster, Regent park disaster being rebuilt, Atkinson coop disaster about to be rebuilt.
Stan The Man / April 27, 2014 at 09:44 am
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The things that David Soknacki have done to this neighbourhood are just shameful! I can't believe someone could be so cruel or incomponant.
Man the Atan / April 27, 2014 at 10:37 am
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William Lyon Mackenzie is to blame for St' James Town. Him and Conrad Black, Archie and Jughead. Oh yeah...the Three Stooges & Groucho.
kn +iq / April 27, 2014 at 10:39 am
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Old news. Mixed neighbourhoods like St. Lawrence work better, not perfect...just better.
Doug / April 27, 2014 at 10:40 am
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The Iron Shiek is a racist bigot why is Olivia associating with him? Clearly she didn't do any research on who he is and how he behaves. One look at his Twitter feed and you get a pretty good idea on this clown.
April / April 27, 2014 at 11:04 am
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Is everyone in Toronto a conspiracy theorist? St. James Town is what it is - enough already there's no conspiracy behind it. most commenting on here have probably never even been there, but speak like their Mother Theresaor something.
steve replying to a comment from kn / April 27, 2014 at 12:31 pm
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You have no idea what you're talking about. It's is all muddled together with assumptions many myths, and lacking any real understanding of urban life. Better you keep your vast knowledge of living under a rock for drunken bar chats.
Mother Theresa / April 27, 2014 at 12:57 pm
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Be still, my children. I can tell you certain truths: Robert Ford is a demon sent from Hell to tempt the weak. Beware! Joining Ford Nation is the Road to Perdition - the way to an eternity in Hell, not the Paul Newman movie.
Danzig Street / April 27, 2014 at 02:06 pm
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Debbie's "Who cares about Fordfuck's Danzig comments" are a meaningful, thoughtful response on behalf of Fordfuck Nation. So when politicians incite violence & fear, it's OK. What's next for Fordfuck and Fordfuck Nation...Putin Nation?
Alan / April 27, 2014 at 02:51 pm
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Who cares about Fords comments, you seem to give him a lot more credit and power then he deserves. He's done, he's over,he has no power at city hall, shut about about him and his stupid comments they have no value and no truth, let him keep digging and stop your whining. Who cares about his comments!
Sticks and stones / April 27, 2014 at 02:59 pm
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We do have reasons to be fearful of all of the violence in this city do we not? Your either fearful or your not, some else's comments should not effect you.
Nelson Mandela / April 27, 2014 at 03:48 pm
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Alan, Sticks & Stones and Debbie are wrong. Violent statements by public officials DO have an impact! Irresponsible statements by Fools Like Ford™ should be denounced. I, Nelson Mandela, am living proof (sort of) of the effect of statements by politicians.
Ian / April 27, 2014 at 04:32 pm
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Are people still listening to Ford? He's only yapping cause he knows your listening. His name isn't even mentioned in this article at all, but you just had to turn another once useful article and discussion into a Ford Nation and Anti Ford debate. Geez the mayor you LOVE to hate.

Amy / April 27, 2014 at 04:33 pm
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What are you all on about? Can someone please post a link to an article that has Fords comments in it so I can judge for myself. I haven't heard his comments.
BahamaGal7 / April 27, 2014 at 10:04 pm
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I lived in St. James Town for 15 years in one of the private buildings 222, 240, 260, 280, Wellesley St. E., 650, 670, Parliament St., 135 Rose Ave, 99 & 77 Howard St. The other buildings are now TCHC.

All TCHC buildings are in St. Jamestown and the private are St. James Town. Who made the error with the name? The City when they farmed their buildings out to private management companies.

I'm saying this because I would become furious with it was assumed I was in "housing" when in fact I was paying a very substantial price for my apartment at 260.
Steve / April 28, 2014 at 12:03 am
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I lived in St. Jamestown last summer. Lots of roaches... Too many in fact (On the 17th floor of "The Halifax"). But the redeeming quality was that it was within walking distance of everything downtown. It also had a very 60's esque type community. Across from the Halifax is a convenience store that is family owned, that sells Cherry/Vanilla Coke and flowers outside. Down Parliament street is Cabbagetown. There's lots of heritage nearby, including the Mansions on Jarvis. What makes St. Jamestown appealing, even today, is it's overall sense of happiness. I'm sure there's crime, but everyone seems genuinely content! Even the homeless people have yard sales outside of Food Basics. It's a community, with a strong backbone. People depend on it, and the truth is that it's not as bad to live there as one might think.
Idiots! / April 28, 2014 at 01:39 am
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I refuse to spoonfeed! Search Danzig & "Royson James" for Ford's dumb jabber. "I haven't heard anything" means you know nothing. Remember: doing links with phones isn't worth it when you can easily find the info...if you want to find ir.
Nice to see you "never hear hear of/nothing there about original incident / April 28, 2014 at 07:41 am
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Ahh,, isn't that cute and childlike...£never hear of" so it didn't happen! Did you put your hands over your ears? Do you & Steve do that often? "I never hear of Royson James"..of corse you haven't! Me, I've never heard of you, so you & Steve don't exist. Have you heard of CP24? CTV news? CBC news? CIty TV? CFRB? CANADIAN PRESS?THE TORONTO SUN? National Post? The GLOBE & MAIL?
Sasha / April 28, 2014 at 08:20 am
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Ahh so cute, some people aren't on the computer or in front of the TV 24/7and may have missed the story because it was reported on as a major event like everything else Ford. They ask for your help and you make fun of them....how cute.

If you do a search for Rob Ford and Danzig St you get stories from the days after the Danzig shootings when it happened not of any recent comments. No one is saying it didnt happen just what were the comments your debating.
Doug / April 28, 2014 at 08:32 am
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Clearly Robs comments are considered non news or the media would be reporting on it in a big way. He speaks some Patoi jibberish that you can hardly make out and its front page news for days. These Danzig comments were barely even reported on. If his comments are making people fearful then the media is doing the right thing by not spreading it out there unlike those on here that want to keep it going keep it going.
A Lesson for Sasha - Dick & Jane Do a Google Search / April 28, 2014 at 08:33 am
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"Royson James" "Gene Jones" Danzig...Try it and then use a dictionary and look up solipism and uninformed.
Rocco / April 28, 2014 at 10:42 am
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Sorry I've moved onto THIS WEEKS news. All the best to you and yours - LATER!!
kn replying to a comment from kn +iq / April 28, 2014 at 11:43 am
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St Lawrence market is incrementally better than Regent park, Atkinson coop, St Jamestown and Jane and Finch. Everybody needs to ask city officials and the TCHC to be transparent about the research they have NOT done to come up with these revitalization proposals. Why would we pay billions of dollars for incremental change?

Adam Vaughan and the rest of the sheep at the city pushing for these changes have no clue. I know. I asked. They have political positions not research.
Harry / April 28, 2014 at 12:19 pm
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Gene Jones was specifically brought in from Detroit where he had a proven track record of leading community housing initiatives and dealing with gang violence.
Gene Jones / April 28, 2014 at 01:11 pm
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That's right! And I was known as 'King Gene' in Detroit. A king rules by divine right, so what was the problem?
Ford Retard Nation / April 28, 2014 at 03:55 pm
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Duh, I likes Ford cuz he's FUN!
kn=no clue / April 28, 2014 at 04:42 pm
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There's tons of research, dummy. Try a library under "Urban Planning".
Celebrating the Uninformef / April 28, 2014 at 04:44 pm
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Rocco & Sasha & Doug...Here's looking at youse!
Lean on Me replying to a comment from Gene Jones / April 28, 2014 at 04:50 pm
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That's what made Steve Jobs a success too!

Has everyone seen lean on me? Some times you have to be tough to get results.
Lean on Me replying to a comment from Gene Jones I / April 28, 2014 at 04:52 pm
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Ask yourself in 5-10 years why community housing in Toronto still hasn't changed for the better.

The one person that could've done it was let go. The position will probably go to a relative of Kathleen Wynne...
Ray / April 28, 2014 at 09:32 pm
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Most people on here don't have a clue about Gene Jones history, they're just reacting to Fords comments and blindly reacting OMG OMG OMG
Lisa-Joan Overholt / April 28, 2014 at 11:43 pm
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I have a clue...and his history is beeeeeg!
Lisa-Joan Overholt / April 29, 2014 at 02:59 am
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His history feels me up!
Without Rob / April 29, 2014 at 01:11 pm
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Nice to See You: Now that the FuckFord Gravy Train is coming to an end, Toronto can do anything. Gene trashed his own reputation by his lack of smarts. Anyone in a politicized job who doesn't know this is an idiot. When I did a job like it, with a politician breathing down my neck, I knew what I had to do. Didn't Gene?
Tub of Ford Condemned by Donald Sterling / April 30, 2014 at 10:39 am
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Or at least Old Racist Don should condemn Mayor Tub 'O Shit for Mayor Tub 'O for being homophobic himself.
Gene Jones I / April 30, 2014 at 10:43 am
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I was entitled, by DIVINE RIGHT to dismiss my serfs or change court jesters. TCHC EST MOI!
Chow and Ford should be eliminated from the election..... / April 30, 2014 at 07:46 pm
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What about Racist Chow? She says shes the best candidate because she's not white and not male? Want to start there?



http://o.canada.com/news/olivia-chow-is-not-male-not-white
We need Olivia and Ford out of the race ASAP!!!! / April 30, 2014 at 07:50 pm
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Ford doesn't meet with homophobic wife beater Sheik and gets a beating in the media.

Chow meets with him and gets a free pass by the media.

Imagine if it were the other way around.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/04/28/matt-gurney-olivia-chow-meets-with-is-endorsed-by-ranting-homophobe-who-encourages-rape/
Belly Bust / April 30, 2014 at 07:51 pm
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Yes! @oliviachow & @the_ironsheik @ BellyBusters on King #SoulMates #SheikMovie #hotdocs14 #topoli
Olivia Chow would be a disaster for Toronto transit hopes / April 30, 2014 at 07:53 pm
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Olivia Chow would be a disaster for Toronto transit hopes

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/04/30/kelly-mcparland-olivia-chow-would-be-a-disaster-for-toronto-transit-hopes/
An observer / April 30, 2014 at 08:30 pm
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These are the Mayoral candidates, they all should be scrutinized, none of them gets the golden handshake into city hall. Lets not get our vbacks up because someone mentioned Olivia Chow without a 5 star rating.
Ford to get help. NEW scandalous offensive audio to be released tonight. He was in a bar on Monday n / April 30, 2014 at 08:35 pm
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http://www.torontosun.com/2014/04/30/mayor-rob-ford-ready-to-take-a-break
Ian / April 30, 2014 at 08:51 pm
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I guess with Rob Ford stepping aside we really better start focusing on the other candidates and what they're offering us. The anyone but Ford may no longer apply....
kn replying to a comment from kn=no clue / May 1, 2014 at 07:08 am
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Interestingly enough, if anybody has done any readings on the subject of mixed use neighbourhoods not written 30-40 years ago, they would realize that research has divulged that these "mixed use" projects have had little impact on integration of communities and gang activity. Harvard and University of Chicago have published papers showing that social/affordable housing needs to be of the "scattered housing approach" to actually have any impact in moving toward social integration. In fact, the university of Toronto and Ryerson have voiced serious questions about the new Regent park project suggesting that high density of affordable placed directly next to more affluent communities is creating an "Us" and "Them" sentiment. The affluent neighbours send their children to out of district schools and the cycle of segregation continues.

I've directly questioned the TCHC and they refuse to site any documentation that would back the concept that mixed use has had an impact on violent crime or social integration. In fact, they refuse to even share crime numbers of these TCHC areas including St Lawrence market.

Specifically the solution for Atkinson coop is to build a wall of condos 15-20 stories high (sounding like St jamestown of the future) to pay for social housing town homes. Adam Vaughan cut this deal with the developer and the residents of Atkinson before he brought it to the public. They told him what they wanted and he obliged. There wasn't any research behind this.

By the way, I'm reading papers written in this decade not 40 years old. Results of the 60s approach? Gangs, ghettos and dilapidated properties. The TCHC organization is a complete failure and refuse to move forward from the good old days of paternalism. That would mean they might lose their cushy jobs.
Mufasa / May 10, 2014 at 09:53 pm
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I used to live in St. Jamestown and I loved it so much to the point where me and my friends would reminisce over the good old ghetto days. There would be shootings there at least once a week! Nowadays that place is so soft you barely hear about it in the news. I'm hoping that neighbourhood gets it's ghetto reputation back again after a few years, along with Regent Park.

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