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Canada Post to phase out urban mail delivery

Posted by Chris Bateman / December 11, 2013

toronto canada postHome mail delivery in Toronto looks like it's about to go the way of the milkman. Canada Post says it will be phasing out many of its urban mail routes in the next five years amid falling revenue and increasing losses.

Instead of door-to-door delivery, cities will be switched to a system of community mailboxes where letters and parcels will be available for pick-up, much like in rural areas and subdivisions.

It's not yet clear how the plan will affect Toronto specifically, though 6,000 to 8,000 jobs will likely be lost nationwide as the cost saving measures are rolled out.

The mail carrier also plans to bump the price of a first class stamp to 85 cents, up from 63 cents today. Buying an individual first class stamp will cost $1 as of March.

According to the CBC, Canada Post lost $73 million in the third quarter of 2013 compared to last year.

Canada Post says a little over 5 million Canadians currently receive door-to-door delivery at an average cost to the Crown corporation of $269 per address. 3.8 million people currently use community mailboxes, which cost $117 per location.

"Door-to-door delivery is, by far, the most expensive delivery method, with an annual cost more than twice as high as for the community mailboxes," a report by the Conference Board of Canada said in April.

Communal mailboxes in the lobbies of apartment and condo buildings will be unaffected by the change.

Chris Bateman is a staff writer at blogTO. Follow him on Twitter at @chrisbateman.

Image: Nuno Salgado/blogTO Flickr pool.

Discussion

112 Comments

Donnie / December 11, 2013 at 10:20 am
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I wonder if this will be similar to how its done in the suburbs.
One mailbox for everyone every few blocks.
mike in parkdale / December 11, 2013 at 10:25 am
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sadly, it only makes sense. I guess the tradition 'postman' will be going the way of the milkman.
Cara / December 11, 2013 at 10:26 am
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This already happened to my Dad in rural Whitby. there is one mailbox at the top of his street and everyone in the area just stops to pick up from their mailbox each day. Not a big deal at all.
Elle / December 11, 2013 at 10:27 am
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I'm mostly greeted by crappy fliers from Canadian Tire anyway, so go right ahead.
17885737 / December 11, 2013 at 10:34 am
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If you're going to cite CBC, you ought to link to their article. I've put the link on the "website" field for this comment so it should be reachable by clicking my username.

Also, it's a phase out of *door-to-door* mail delivery, not all urban mail delivery. The CBC article notes that currently only a third of Canadians get their mail door-to-door, with the rest getting it from apartment mail areas, community mailboxes, etc. I suspect the door-to-door rate is significantly lower in Toronto, where the proportion of "apartment and other" dwellings (i.e. not single.semi detached, duplex, or row house) is well above the national average (see http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/odpub/esub/64693/64693_2013_A01.pdf?fr=1386775808800).
James / December 11, 2013 at 10:38 am
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There are a million and one ways to make door-to-door delivery work in Toronto. From fewer delivery days to a choice between participation in a community mailbox system or a subscription service for home delivery, I could fill a page with viable ideas. Canada Post is, without question, the worst managed public corporation in the country. Epic fail.
Jason Paris / December 11, 2013 at 10:38 am
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Terribly inaccurate headline BlogTO.
Alex / December 11, 2013 at 10:43 am
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Makes sense. We don't really need door-to-door delivery, and the only increase in mail is packages which are generally left at the nearest post office to be picked up later anyway. Smart move by Canada Post. They need to put a big recycle bin by the community mail area though, so we can throw the flyers in it right away. Otherwise people will just drop them on the street.
Johnathan / December 11, 2013 at 10:45 am
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EtobiCOKE has already privatized package delivery. That drone Sandro LISI will not only deliver packages to your home but also to your vehicle should you be on the move.

Will Lisi be expanding his delivery area to the entire GTA now?
Matt / December 11, 2013 at 10:45 am
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Sadly I don't think the fliers will go away. My community box still gets hammered with them. Pretty sure Canada Post makes some from jamming them into mailboxes. But clearly not enough to keep them afloat.
Logan / December 11, 2013 at 10:46 am
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In New Zealand, NZ Post is doing it differently. They're cutting down the number of delivery days to three a week instead of six…kinda like what James suggested.

I guess communal mailboxes will rely a lot on public trust amongst your neighbours for it to work.
just-dave-eh / December 11, 2013 at 10:53 am
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Very sad. The reasons for paying tax are becoming fewer and fewer...
GRR / December 11, 2013 at 10:54 am
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Yes please, put a big community mailbox at the end of my street and get rid of these useless lazyass mail carriers who barely work and get big fat pensions.
Squint replying to a comment from Donnie / December 11, 2013 at 10:54 am
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Seems like it, as the article says: "system of community mailboxes where letters and parcels will be available for pick-up, much like in rural areas"

Works for me. Get so little actual real mail, that I'll be okay with just making a trip to the mailbox from time to time.
gillian / December 11, 2013 at 11:00 am
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Canada post is ridiculously overpriced. I once sent a small package to Ireland and it cost 70 dollars while a package going the other way cost the equivalent of 20 dollars. A 'bulky' birthday card cost 9 dollars to send, outrageous!!!
Messy Twil / December 11, 2013 at 11:01 am
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WHAT THE HELL DO I PAY TAXES FOR IN THIS GODDAMN COUNTRY NOW?????????????
Water into beer / December 11, 2013 at 11:04 am
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Death by greedy unions. Air Canada next.
SammyBrown / December 11, 2013 at 11:14 am
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YO BLOGTO! Where can I buy a real Christmas Tree in the west end?

I tried Dufferin Mall last night with no luck. Anyone know? Is there a list on here somewhere?
Marc replying to a comment from Messy Twil / December 11, 2013 at 11:17 am
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Clearly nothing. I mean you just sit at home all day and wait for the post to come.
Kelly replying to a comment from Water into beer / December 11, 2013 at 11:17 am
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Air Canada is not government-run, and hasn't been since the 80s.
Leo G / December 11, 2013 at 11:22 am
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I don't know about this. I live in an older part of Toronto and I can't think of a single spot where you could put a community mailbox on my street or any adjacent street. There are no boulevards or big empty spaces, like you tend to see in the suburbs. And there's no way me or any of my neighbours would permit a big community mailbox to be installed on our private property. Are we going to have to go to the local post office to pick up our mail?
W. K. Lis / December 11, 2013 at 11:23 am
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Another added expense for the elderly or those unable to walk to and from a community mailbox. They'll have to pay some kid to get their mail for them, through the ice & snow.
Yan / December 11, 2013 at 11:23 am
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Works great in the suburbs. The mailbox is maximum 150 m away from the the farthest home in its' area, not a problem at all. Makes sense.
Yan replying to a comment from Messy Twil / December 11, 2013 at 11:24 am
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And that's related exactly how?
jay / December 11, 2013 at 11:26 am
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I wonder if this will affect condo and apartment buildings who already have communal mailboxes in their lobbies?
AV replying to a comment from SammyBrown / December 11, 2013 at 11:26 am
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No Frills on Pacific south of Dundas has a lot on the side
GA replying to a comment from SammyBrown / December 11, 2013 at 11:26 am
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Not really specific to this BlogTO post about Canada Post... but @SammyBrown - Visit the No Frills at Bloor/Runnymede. They've got a Christmas Tree area in the parking lot just east of the store, across from the LCBO and Library.
GA replying to a comment from SammyBrown / December 11, 2013 at 11:27 am
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Not really specific to this BlogTO post about Canada Post... but @SammyBrown - Visit the No Frills at Bloor/Runnymede. They've got a Christmas Tree area in the parking lot just east of the store, across from the LCBO and Library.
Dabney / December 11, 2013 at 11:29 am
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If seniors can't walk to get the mail then they should have a home caregiver that can get the mail for them from their front porch or from the community box. Many seniors already have this service in the suburbs. Ohh yeah and their not seniors they're ZOOMERS.

They shouldn't have to go through ICE and SNOW if you'd shovel responsibly. If the community cares then the community shovels don't blame Canada Post. I'd rather cut the 8,000 jobs.
CW replying to a comment from gillian / December 11, 2013 at 11:37 am
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> Canada post is ridiculously overpriced

It isn't overpriced when compared to other mail services within Canada.

You have conveniently compared to a country whose entire length is shorter than Toronto to Montreal. The overhead is drastically less. Does Ireland even have airmail within its borders?
Hazel replying to a comment from SammyBrown / December 11, 2013 at 11:38 am
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Sammy brown. Roncesvalles and Fern.
Shirley / December 11, 2013 at 11:41 am
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OMG. What a nightmare this is going to be for TCHC residents (lots of thieves here). Now that I think of it, this isn't a good idea for Toronto at all.

Are they serious? One individual mailbox for, lets say 500 people? Or is it just a bunch of mailboxes in one common area (that I wouldn't mind)?
iSkyscraper / December 11, 2013 at 11:46 am
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Living in New York has given me a different perspective on big bad Canada Post. You would think USPS is awesome in comparison -- delivery to the door 6 days a week, package delivery on Sundays even, cheap stamps (currently 46 cents), inexpensive parcel rates....

However, it's actually a nightmare to live with and I would do anything to trade them for Canada Post. CP did the right thing years ago and effectively privatized post offices. There may not be a lot of charm to going to Shopper's Drug Mart for your stamps or packages but they are open past 5 pm and on weekends, you don't have to wait an hour in line, the stores are not filthy and cluttered in graffiti and outdated signs, and the employees are not surly and bitter about their thankless jobs. Urban post offices in the US are so bad that Amazon had to invent Amazon Locker and will now, on request, divert your packages to UPS or FedEx instead.

As for mail delivery at the door, it's nice, but there are big issues with theft and loss with USPS in urban areas. Small package delivery at the door is a nightmare that rarely works, sending you back to the feared post offices.

They only just agreed to eliminate Saturday delivery here with much whining, but I would happily pay more for stamps and have community mailboxes if it meant the mail would not be lost or stolen and I could pick up packages without losing three hours of a workday.

Grass is always greener, but I think CP is taking the necessary tough steps to keep the domestic mail service alive.
timely / December 11, 2013 at 11:47 am
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The boomers and seniors are the only ones who mail anything anymore as it is.

Once they've finally died off, mail will be obsolete.

This is long over due.
the lemur / December 11, 2013 at 12:04 pm
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Canada Post gave up on delivering anything in a reasonable time or to the correct address a long time ago, so why not.
good replying to a comment from W. K. Lis / December 11, 2013 at 12:23 pm
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Well said. With an aging population and a society that is growing to appreciate the challenges faced by persons with accessibility needs Canada Post takes a step backwards and makes it more difficult.

Reduced days of service would have been preferred by many in the disabled community.

Hmm...is there a charter case here? Discrimination? Wonder how thoroughly this wonderful plan was reviewed by Legal at Canada Post.
E replying to a comment from Shirley / December 11, 2013 at 12:38 pm
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If they adopt a method similar to what's done in the suburbs, it'll mean individual mailboxes with a key(s) for each house.
Sarah replying to a comment from good / December 11, 2013 at 12:39 pm
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Majority of the country already has this service, its not a step back. Only 1/3 of the country still has delivery right to your front door.

Should seniors and the disabled sue all condo developers because they put in mail rooms and don't allow delivery right to your door.
Jeff / December 11, 2013 at 12:42 pm
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Those that want/need a preferred right to your door service can pay extra for UPS or FedEx delivery of all letters and packages.
Donna / December 11, 2013 at 12:44 pm
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I love how some on here are representing all seniors.
Many seniors will look at this as a chance to get some exercise, don't make all seniors out to be decrepit frail beings.
Shirley / December 11, 2013 at 12:50 pm
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E-Thank you.

iskyscraper-That sounds horrible.
Kat / December 11, 2013 at 12:53 pm
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Any news on how this would affect apartment buildings? We already have "communal mailboxes" in our mail room. If the changes only affect single family dwellings, it's not that dramatic a change for urban areas.
K TREFFINGER / December 11, 2013 at 01:28 pm
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I wanna know if there's anything they are going to do to maybe help the seniors In thearea that are unable to get to these mailboxes due to illnesses or something else
Al replying to a comment from K TREFFINGER / December 11, 2013 at 01:33 pm
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All community mailboxes are barrier free.
Sarah replying to a comment from K TREFFINGER / December 11, 2013 at 02:04 pm
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Considering 2/3 of the country already has communal mail delivery, I'm sure they're going to treat it the same as the rest. Why should the last 1/3 to convert be any different?
Inferno replying to a comment from GRR / December 11, 2013 at 02:23 pm
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You called someone who walks door to door everyday a lazy ass. I knew I read BlogTo comments for a reason.
Lance / December 11, 2013 at 02:30 pm
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These "communal" boxes will probably give everyone a thimble sized mailbox, ensuring pretty much everything will have to be picked up at the post office. If that's the case, they need to increase the hours of postal outlets.
use your brain replying to a comment from Sarah / December 11, 2013 at 02:44 pm
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Condos are accessible. Walking/wheeling down a snow covered, possibly ice covered street that may have cars blocking sidewalks isn't.

Obviously you're not a golfer...
(extra points if you get the reference)
use your brain replying to a comment from Jeff / December 11, 2013 at 02:45 pm
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I guess the same goes for healthcare right?
phuong / December 11, 2013 at 02:47 pm
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Another item to add to the list of "in the good old days"...
Sasha replying to a comment from Lance / December 11, 2013 at 02:52 pm
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In the suburbs the communal boxes are about the same size as your average home mailbox. If you receive a larger package it is placed in one of the larger mail boxes at the bottom and a key is left in your mailbox to get your package.

SEE PICS BELOW

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/rural-canadian-mailboxes-27367938.jpg

http://www.cumberlandnewsnow.com/media/photos/unis/2012/07/26/2012-07-26-08-09-04-Maibxo.jpg
Sasha / December 11, 2013 at 02:58 pm
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The benefits of a Community Mail Box

Collect your mail AND SEND LETTERS when it’s most convenient for you - 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. You can even pick up small parcels or packets in handy parcel compartments.

https://www.canadapost.ca/cpo/mc/personal/cmb/default.jsf?ssl=1
Rick / December 11, 2013 at 03:18 pm
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This is great for Seniors they can pick up their mail AND send mail from the same location. No need for them to make far trips to a mailbox or a post office they can do it very close to home. BIG WIN FOR THE SENIORS COMMUNITY!!!!!
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Alex replying to a comment from JEFF / December 11, 2013 at 04:16 pm
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To anyone that has not had a communal mailbox before let's get some facts straight:
1) By "communal" they don't mean a giant bin that everyone in the neighbourhood has a key too. They mean a metal stand with a bunch of individual mail boxes on it and everyone gets their own key.
2) You can mail letters by throwing them in the mail slot, no need to go to a mail box or post office.
3) Per about 20 mailboxes there are usually about 1-3 large package boxes varying in size. In my suburban mail box I think the largest was a little over a foot square and maybe a foot and a half deep. If you get a package that will fit in one of these boxes they put it in one and put the key to the box in your mailbox. You then put the key in the mail slot after you get your package.
4) There is generally a large garbage bin nearby to throw all the flyers and junk mail into. Hopefully they start including a large recycling bin as well.
5) Sometimes spiders live in them or on them. I always check inside the box before reaching in because spiders are scary and I hate them.

It is slightly more inconvenient for seniors, but at the same time it also gives them a reason to get out of the house and go for a short walk so the benefits probably equal the problems in that regard.
David from Grande Prairie / December 11, 2013 at 04:28 pm
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Canada Post you suck.

Neither snow,rain,heat,gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds yeah right.
I say we go to the post office everyday and ask the lone clerk is my letter or parcel here yet? Because how is the delivery notice delivered???

Bills that are handed to us should be re-mailed at the post office. Since they are not delivering they can keep them.

I have to do more work to my home now,
1) repair the siding because my mailbox was screwed to the siding.
2) fix the grassy area around the supermailbox because the city or post office won't do it. Also pick up the tons of flyers, rubberbands strewn amuck.
3) stand in long lines because of my earlier comment at the post office "Is my parcel here? I didn't get a del.notice?"
4)drive to recycle center to drop off said flyers.


More user fees / December 11, 2013 at 04:36 pm
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The cost of 6 to 8 thousand people losing jobs unecessarily will over time be much greater to the economy and and those people than the cost to Canada post. But this will appeal to Toronto people whose standard of living is going down while their cost of living is going up. They're always happy to go with less from the govt while they pay twice as much on their own. The govt can pat themselves on the back for saving costs and people vote for them on that while thousands of people get tossed from work and figure it out on their own. The hand that fed is now giving the people the finger
Alex replying to a comment from More user fees / December 11, 2013 at 05:03 pm
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Nobody wants to work at a pointless job. How would you feel if you were a mail carrier and they said "We don't actually need you, but out of pity we're going to keep you around doing something that has no purpose." How could you go to work everyday if you knew that what you were doing had no meaning?
Sandra / December 11, 2013 at 05:07 pm
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These jobs are no longer needed and should be cut. It is a 5 year plan not all cuts will happen at once. These workers will be better off when they find new meaningful relevant work and a nice severance package.
stopitman / December 11, 2013 at 05:46 pm
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You people need to get over it.

Community mailboxes are no big deal - generally it's one mailbox per postal code (30-40 houses) so no one in the city will be further than 100 metres from one. If people in the suburbs can get off their asses or out of their car daily to get their mail, I'm sure the urbanites that tout walkable neighbourhoods can do it too.
Postie replying to a comment from Messy Twil / December 11, 2013 at 06:15 pm
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Hi. Just thought I'll let you know that Canada Post has not received any funding from the government in 16 years. It is a crown corporation with no funding whatsoever. 40% of the revenue comes from flyers, 40% from parcels, rest from various products and services. I agree with many comments here though. It is the worst managed corporation.
v79 / December 11, 2013 at 06:24 pm
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The amount of people who fail to read the details and yet find time to complain is astounding.

1) No one is losing their job. The cuts will be done through retirement/attrition.

2) Your parcel delivery will not change. Express Post will remain the same as today. Your package will be delivered to your door, or you'll have to pick it up at the post office if they miss you, just like now.

3) The rest of us are simply getting the same service 2/3 of the country already gets. There is no discrimination suit to worry about from seniors or the disabled.

4) If a person is so immobile that they can't get their own mail or groceries from a box or store down the street, then they obviously have some degree of home care, with whom they can arrange to have their mail picked-up and delivered. It's not a big issue at all.
AC / December 11, 2013 at 09:53 pm
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I'm surprised that Canada Post has just stuck to mail when the national postal services in other countries (such as the UK - see http://www.postoffice.co.uk/ - and the Netherlands) offer a wide range of services at their locations and online: registration for licenses; mobiles & top up cards; insurance; loans; tickets for cultural events and concerts; etc.

No crying here for a business that's behind the times and decided not to offer any other services to bring in customers.
Eagle3 / December 11, 2013 at 09:59 pm
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Let the people in the burbs trek it thru the snow to get their mail. Mind u most would just get in their cars to fetch their mail.
I live downtown and forgo a massive lawn and backyard so I can have everything at my fingertips including my mail!!
AND contrary to popular belief, some of us still write letters and Christmas cards, I am no zoomer.
Dan / December 11, 2013 at 10:29 pm
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But noones complaining that Amazon is testing delivering small packages by drone.
gord / December 11, 2013 at 10:32 pm
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We should have stamps that are QR codes so you can track your sent mail by now its 2013!
confusious / December 11, 2013 at 10:59 pm
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He who calls letter carrier lazy is to lazy to walk to communal box.
mike / December 11, 2013 at 11:44 pm
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8000 jons lost. good paying middle class jobs
Jules replying to a comment from mike / December 12, 2013 at 12:10 am
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Good Paying no longer needed, no longer relevant middle class jobs. Were better in the lomg run if we pull the bandaid off in one swipe. Why keep them going.

Long term employees will get great severance packages and a bright future in retirement. Shorter term employees are mostly youger workers, still young enough to change careers, or look for work, start your own business.
John replying to a comment from mike / December 12, 2013 at 12:25 am
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8000 jobs that are about to be retired. Lucky Deal for those workers. Wish I was gettin that
Make everyone redundant / December 12, 2013 at 01:21 am
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I think everyone should lose their jobs. Most people don't really do much each day anyway. Then all the stores would close and nothing would work but hurray for technology
Sue replying to a comment from Make everyone redundant / December 12, 2013 at 05:24 am
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Hurray this has nothing to do with technology.
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Leo G / December 12, 2013 at 06:46 am
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The same goes with where I used to live in Toronto as a child (Van Horne & Edmonton in Willowdale, Van Horne Avenue being in between Victoria Park and Don Mills Avenues)-there's no place that I know of to put a community mailbox at all. What will the people who live there do when this is implemented? Will they all have to drive up to Peanut Plaza and Victoria Park Plaza to get their mail? The feds have to figure out a way to keep this going instead of fucking people over like this.
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Donna / December 12, 2013 at 06:53 am
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Donna, go and fuck yourself.

Not all of us are seniors; some of us have mobility issues, as good and W.K. Lis have said. How the fuck would you like it if you couldn't walk to the community mailbox, and had no way to get any cheques or any other good that's sent by mail? PLEASE be more considerate of the less fortunate next time you open your (most likely) overpriviledged white mouth.
McRib replying to a comment from Simon Tarses / December 12, 2013 at 08:01 am
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gear down big rig. Why don't you ask the 2/3 of the country that already does not have home mail delivery and has mobility issues how they deal with it.

or you know, you can just rail against the injustice of it all on the internet and swear at strangers.
Donna replying to a comment from Simon Tarses / December 12, 2013 at 08:05 am
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Please keep it to the facts. You completely discredit your statement with all the name calling.

I understand that some people won't have access to their mail. If you have mobility issues that are that bad how can you make it to the front porch to get your mail at all, you should have a home caregiver then. What if you have a fall at home and smack your head, don't you have someone looking after you? or are you just to lie they dying?
Donna replying to a comment from Simon Tarses / December 12, 2013 at 08:06 am
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Ohh yeah and don't be made at me. Its Canada Posts decision to do this not mine. I can think whatever I want about it, but it was Canada Posts decision not mine!
SammyBrown / December 12, 2013 at 08:22 am
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Simon home delivery is a privlage not a right you over privlaged jerk off. If you need home delivery pay extra for it through UPS or FedEX or move into a home where you can have access. Quit taking it out on us cause you can't reach your pee pee this morning
Shane / December 12, 2013 at 09:04 am
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Simon what good is collecting a cheque that you can't make it to the bank to cash? If you can't even make it to the mailbox how you gonna make it to a bank? Set up direct deposit.

Sad to say but its not Canada Posts job to know or to care if you have mobility issues. Thats for you to work out with the companies your dealing with so the can send mail to you in a way that will be home delivered. Canada Post is the middle person in this.

If your already receiving govenment assistance cheques to assist you in you challenged lifestyle that money should be used to assist you getting special transit, and getting your mail home delivered.
Jamies Cryin / December 12, 2013 at 09:21 am
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Its probably cheaper on the province if we put Simon in a special needs home where he will have access to all the services and caregivers he needs. Paying thousands of letter carriers to deliver him pizza flyers to his door is not the answer.

Spending government cheques on video games and staying home smoking medicinal marijuana isnt helping anyone.
Ron Burgundy replying to a comment from mike in parkdale / December 12, 2013 at 11:19 am
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What?! There are communal milkboxes where the milkman delivers milk to, where all residents can go and pick up their milk? All these years I've been a sucker going to the grocery store!
Steve replying to a comment from Ron Burgundy / December 12, 2013 at 11:35 am
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Yes and there's also a communal library where residents of all type and mobility can have access to 1000's of books should they choose to go. Some areas do have a book mobiles but it does not come to your house it usually parks at a specified area where residents can go get books as well.

We are a community we like communal.
louise / December 12, 2013 at 02:13 pm
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This actually seems safer to me. I'd prefer mail service not coming to my door.
Shlomo replying to a comment from Water into beer / December 12, 2013 at 02:53 pm
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Canada Post is a crown corp....it's the government's fault.
Jeff / December 12, 2013 at 03:08 pm
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It's not a fault its a decision.

Its much more efficient to have a mail person drive up to a communal box fill it then move onto the next box instead of paying thousands of mail carriers to walk throughout the neigborhoods delivering to every house hold.
Donnie / December 12, 2013 at 03:11 pm
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Are we still outraged over this? Since 1988? Check out the clip below.

"Super mailboxes" stir outrage among suburban Canadians
In Markham, Ont. and across the country, residents rail against a new method of mail distribution in 1988.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/Digital+Archives/Economy+and+Business/Business/ID/2423775645/
Jink replying to a comment from Cara / December 12, 2013 at 04:05 pm
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It sure is in a place like Toronto where the density prevents
placing 'community mailboxes' on someones lawn or maybe filling up a sidewalk on the corner. WTF?
Jink replying to a comment from Cara / December 12, 2013 at 04:07 pm
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Look forward to all the junk mail and rubbish that lazy people will throw around our street...nice.
Royal Mail posted a profit this year of $53 Million. What's wrong with this picture? HARPER is.
Jink replying to a comment from Cara / December 12, 2013 at 04:19 pm
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Nasty ignorant comments about seniors and boomers. Little care or consideration for people who live with wheelchairs or are shut in.
Am neither a senior or a boomer and like to send mail.
Maybe we can put a community mailbox on the road because that's the only place there is room or down the ravine where there is free space that is owned by the City. What is wrong with the idiots at CP?
There is no room for these in the old city of Toronto.
Sam replying to a comment from Jink / December 12, 2013 at 04:48 pm
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Hi the showers Jink, your done. Nothing is wrong with CP. There is plenty of room for these mail boxes everywhere. There seems to be no problem finding spots for fire hydrants, bell boxes, etc.

Quit your whining about the execution on something that hasn't even been executed yet.
Gabe / December 12, 2013 at 06:50 pm
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In other countries people have to walk miles just to get clean water AND families stick together to make sure all generations are looked after. Here weve created our own first world problem. You wanna make sure grannies OK, stop in and visit every two days make sure shes Ok, help her get her mail, let her move in with you or move in with her. Ohh no that would be a burden on you, the burden should be on CP and the government. You didnt move out of your families home the first chance you got to have to live with them now! Christ your in over your head in debt just to look cool and present the image that you have money when your in debt. Student loans, credit cards, rent/mortgage, expensive bicycle/car, latest clothes,etc.

It starts at home. Take care of your own family from within and you'll be less dependant on the system and the changes they make. Should schools take over the responsibility if feeding your children as well because you dont want to spend .25 cents on puffed wheat cereal per day. If you cant afford that you shouldnt be having kids.

The seniors are resiliant thryve been through wars, depressions and much more Im sure they can handle a change in mail delivery.

Its the younger whining generation thats being raised to think the system owes you everything and will always be there to catch you. Where does it stop? Is anyone responsible for themselves and families anymore?

Breakfast Provided by the schools
Programs provided by the schools
Summer school provided free of charge
OSAP
social assistance
Welfare
Unemployment insurance
Medical benefits
Old age pensions

Most of the seniors today didnt get to where they are today by relying on these services. There is plenty offered and your gonna complain about mail delivery?

Mail delivery? Really?
Rob Wyers replying to a comment from James / December 13, 2013 at 10:30 am
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Let's focus on the real problem - wages. I have been using Canada Post as a supplier to my business for 30 years and I can tell you this is an organization that is ruled by the unions with respect to mail processing and letter carriers and is paying ridiculous amounts of money for very simplistic work

The high cost (wages) of the letter carrier alone puts Canada Post into a deficit position, so why not let them go, seems to be the conventional wisdom.

Let's look a little closer. You have a job which requires very little skill. Let's be honest people, you only have to be able to put one foot in front of the other and read an address.

Here's a proposal. Don't abolish home delivery. Phase out all the current letter carriers and in their place hire people who have recently entered into our country who are dying to have a job.

Many of these individuals require skills training or ESL. And many are currently in our welfare system getting paid not to work! So, for a 1/2 day, they deliver the mail and for the other 1/2 day they get skills training and ESL in order to move on to other jobs. They are paid a maximum amount of (for example) $25,000 a year for five 1/2 days weekly and skill training is free.

After two years, it would be mandatory to move on to a job placement program, making room for more incoming people to work and learn skills at the same time.

Not only would this save Canada Post hundreds of millions of dollars, but it would also save our welfare system tens of millions as well. This would give those willing to work the feeling of being a contributing member of your society. It also sends a message to the world that we are a just society rewarding people who work and want to contribute that Canada is no longer a place where you get money for free.

How do we get the government to use common sense and consider proposals like this...????

Pass it on!
Robin / December 13, 2013 at 03:22 pm
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Just started a petition to save home delivery please sign!

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/379/878/506/save-canada-post-home-delivery/
iHighscraper replying to a comment from Robin / December 13, 2013 at 04:58 pm
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Is it really THAT big a deal? Have we really gotten that fat and lazy that it is?
S / December 14, 2013 at 11:18 am
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It's not like they actually deliver to your home right now. Lol. They avoid going to homes at all costs x_x
Alex replying to a comment from timely / December 14, 2013 at 11:46 am
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I didn't know that 26 years old was "senior". I mailed something this week. Don't generalize.
Alex replying to a comment from GRR / December 14, 2013 at 11:49 am
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I'll have you know they are NOT (all) lazy. My dad just retired after 30+ years as a letter carrier. Carrying 40 lb bags of mail 5 days a week in rain, sleet, snow, blistering heat etc... is the furthest thing from lazy. He is also NOT getting a big fat pension. Try again.
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Gabe / December 14, 2013 at 03:21 pm
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Once again, the right-wing neocon asshole spews their mouth open on something they know NOTHING about. Who the frack pissed in your cereal this morning, Gabe?
Ben / December 14, 2013 at 10:44 pm
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You know what Canada Post was informed by the government that they had to massively reduce the costs of home delivery as a result of the Billion dollars its gonna cost us to shut down the gas plants.

8000 jobs will become redundent because of it. WE NEED THE LIBERALS AND KATHLEEN WYNNE OUT RIGHT NOW!!!!!!
Becky replying to a comment from Ben / December 14, 2013 at 10:46 pm
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Completely agree! Atleast Canada Post is one of the government channels that's reducing costs. What are the Liberals doing? A billion dollars, and all Wynne can do is appologize.
Claude / December 15, 2013 at 05:33 pm
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Amazing theme of blog! What is the name of it?
Eagle3 / December 16, 2013 at 05:49 pm
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Has anyone else noticed their mail completely slowing down the last two weeks? It's Hyatt or someone is stealing my mail!
Marc Bernstein / December 17, 2013 at 03:41 am
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Get rid of incompetent,worthless Canada Post!
Santi / December 17, 2013 at 04:18 pm
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They keep loosing peoples parcel and never give a solution to the problems it would be better if we give more chance to other companies.They lost my parcel they said it was delivered but never saw it...So Canada Post please get out of the way... go home!
joseph vigna / December 17, 2013 at 05:37 pm
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i don't think this is a good idea for senoirs/disabled who cannot leave their homes or cannot open key locks or can't carry mail/parcells home especially in bad weather/winter.some senoirs/disabled have nobody to help them with this problem or may have to rely on others to help them thus sacrificing thier privicy.
and what about break-ins at these neighborhood mail-boxes how do we combat identiy-theft thievery and mail-fraud?
Sandy replying to a comment from joseph vigna / December 18, 2013 at 05:44 am
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Firstly your mailbox will now have a lock on it which is more security then most residential mailboxes that anyone can just walk up to and take mail from as well as your packages will now be locked and not just dropped on your doorstep or inbetween doors anyone can grab them.
Adam / December 18, 2013 at 05:49 am
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Is everyone concerned about seniors doing all the proper snow shovelling? I don't care if you live in a house, rent an apartment, own a condo with maintenance get down there in shovel the sidewalks. Shovel more than just your own spot, shovel your neighbors spot as well. Don't wait for the plow, don't let mommy and daddy do it, don't wait for building maintenance to show up and do it, get out there.

THAT will help seniors alot more right now then sitting online complaining about this. Seniors use our sidewalks every day NOTjust for going to get the mail.

GET OUT THERE AND SHOVEL!
jim / December 19, 2013 at 08:26 am
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Long overdue. A vast # of Canadians, seniors, disabled, apartment dwellers, etc. are already serviced by communal mailboxes. We should all be treated the same.

Dipto Chakraborty / January 11, 2014 at 08:08 pm
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Johnathan / January 23, 2014 at 12:52 pm
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It is the digital age now and Canada Post is going backward. People nowadays purchase everything online. There is no point of online shopping if people have to go out in the -30 to get it.
This is just another problem of communist Canada.
They should have privatized mail delivery like our neighbor. At least give the people a choice.
Jem / February 21, 2014 at 05:06 pm
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At least we will get rid of all these lazy mail persons. They claim to deliver packages, meanwhile you sit at home all day waiting for your stuff and lazy bum is probably sitting in the van instead of doing his or her job. They want more money for less work. they are lazy lazy liars.

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