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The Chicago Sun-Times takes a dump on Toronto

Posted by Chris Bateman / March 7, 2013

toronto skylineIt's tough growing up, especially when the big kids get jealous they're no longer in charge. With that in mind, Neil Steinberg at the Chicago Sun-Times took the news that Toronto recently surpassed the windy city's population (therefore calling into question his city's very soul) particularly badly yesterday evening.

Chief among Steinberg's gripes is that everyone north of the border seems to understand that Chicago actually has a more populated metro area and if it weren't for amalgamation we would be nowhere close to competing in terms of numbers. Toronto just isn't bellowing at other cities often enough, he scolds.

Steinberg goes on to knock our "donuts" (whoa, easy) and our skyline, whose "only noteworthy element is a TV antenna." Also in the crosshairs are the city's monument to multiculturalism outside Union Station (he can't believe it!) and our insecurity about whether we're "world class" (ok, so maybe that one's accurate.)

"Let us know when you can make a decent pizza, or build a building that bears a second glance. Or when somebody writes a song about Toronto. Or shoots a movie in Toronto that actually takes place in Toronto. We'll be here, waiting, humming 'Chicago.'," he finishes.

Ouch. Can't we just be friends? We could, of course, mention Chicago's crime rate, the Cubs' World Series drought (longer than the Leafs!), or the bland Midwestern attitude that so many Chicagoans sport, but why engage in such hostility?

We're not the ones suffering from envy — for once.

Chris Bateman is a staff writer at blogTO. Follow him on Twitter at @chrisbateman.

Image: "Frozen" by Acid_Punk/blogTO Flickr pool.



Chris H. / March 7, 2013 at 02:57 pm
DAE reddit?
EricM / March 7, 2013 at 03:03 pm
Ahhh poor Chicago... Seriously though, why do we even care any more? We have to be pretty close to being over giving a damn what folks south of the border think.
DS / March 7, 2013 at 03:05 pm
How unfortunate it is that a journalist must take a swipe at their sister city.
K / March 7, 2013 at 03:06 pm
Whatever, it's the Sun. The same kind of people read the Chicago Sun as read the Toronto Sun... except maybe even worse because they're Americans?
Rob / March 7, 2013 at 03:07 pm
It's not like anything they've said isn't true.
Jen / March 7, 2013 at 03:10 pm
Umm 506 murders last year and that is a pretty big improvement from years past. Minimal social safety nets and a ghetto that is pretty much half of the city. I actually kind of like Chicago, but yeah... someone was crying into their light beer and woke up covered in a deep dish pizza over this one and is a bit bitter.
Jen C / March 7, 2013 at 03:11 pm
I didn't take this article as sour grapes at all. Chicago is clearly superior to Toronto in just about every way imaginable. Our only area of superiority? We're safer.
Suzy Metaxas / March 7, 2013 at 03:13 pm
Toronto is a beautiful city. Clean friendly and they have great food too! This is coming from a New York City resident so maybe Neil Steinberg should get a grip. I have to wonder if he's ever been to Toronto, if he has then this is just sour grapes talking.
whatif... / March 7, 2013 at 03:14 pm
...and this is a big if. Even with our buffoon of a Mayor and all the problems we face we ARE actually a pretty great and booming city... I'll stop now. No sense being proud and not complaining about anything.
JHGRedekop / March 7, 2013 at 03:15 pm
"Or shoots a movie in Toronto that actually takes place in Toronto"

Hasn't he seen 'Videodrome'?
M / March 7, 2013 at 03:15 pm
He makes valid points, but what is his overall point? I am still trying to figure out what the true purpose of his article is ...
M replying to a comment from Rob / March 7, 2013 at 03:15 pm
Scott Pilgrim / March 7, 2013 at 03:16 pm
Scott Pilgrim vs the World!
Plens / March 7, 2013 at 03:17 pm
Ben / March 7, 2013 at 03:18 pm
Toronto's skyline is rather lovely. So is Chicago's.

I guess they are cooler because they have Bat Man (Gotham City is based on Chicago).
Laura / March 7, 2013 at 03:18 pm
Pretty sure they just filmed a movie in Toronto set in Toronto, Scott Pilgrim? Whether or not it's actually a GOOD movie is debatable, but still. Canada has a fairly successful film industry, it's just not based in Hollywood, and Americans really love ignoring things that aren't America-centric.
N.A / March 7, 2013 at 03:19 pm
I find Toronto boring. Sorry.
GrinTo / March 7, 2013 at 03:21 pm
Humm Chicago all he wants, the Movie Chicago was filmed in Toronto
Rob / March 7, 2013 at 03:21 pm
That people actually think Toronto has a pretty skyline is the most baffling part of all this. It's one of the ugliest cities of its size on the planet according to a number of past studies. And you know, travel, and common sense.
steve / March 7, 2013 at 03:22 pm
I guess he sees the ring of slums and poverty that surround Chicago DT core, and the racial divide it creates as an asset.
the lemur replying to a comment from Rob / March 7, 2013 at 03:23 pm
Care to link to one of those alleged 'studies'?
Chi / March 7, 2013 at 03:24 pm
As someone who has visited Chicago on five occasions, and spent about a total of a month and a half there staying in a residential area, I can definitely attest to the higher prevalence of crime there. Homeless people there are very aggressive and can even get physical if you don't give them money, whereas in Toronto they mostly leave you alone. I also recall hearing a shootout happen right around the corner of where I was staying, which is something I've never experienced in Toronto (yes, despite the many incidents over the past summer). Nonetheless, it is a very nice city, with lots to do, see, and eat, but I feel much safer living in Toronto, where I can walk home at night with (mostly) peace of mind. On a side note, I know Toronto is not exactly known for its fashion sense, but it definitely blows Chicago out of the water in that respect.
vampchick21 / March 7, 2013 at 03:26 pm
So no one caught on that it was a humour piece? Sad.
Rob replying to a comment from steve / March 7, 2013 at 03:26 pm
Keep justifying paying a half mil for a box in the sky and the same ring of poverty will surround Toronto in a few decades. Chicago's blight had a 100 year head start. We'll catch up (and we're already on our way there, I don't see Toronto's better-off residents going to restaurants in Rexdale).
John replying to a comment from Rob / March 7, 2013 at 03:26 pm
Atta boy. Who needs to be dumped on when we can do it ourselves eh?
dick / March 7, 2013 at 03:26 pm
he's got a really good point re: pizza
Pens / March 7, 2013 at 03:28 pm
A great place to get murdered.
Sarah / March 7, 2013 at 03:31 pm
Movies filmed and set in Toronto v. Chicago? What an irrelevant point to make. We're a tiny middle power country of 30 million and the US has closer to 300 million and is a dominant world power. Regardless, off the top of my head I can think of Sarah Polley's Take this Waltz, Cronenberg's Dead Ringers and Crash, Norman Jewison's Hurricane, Scott Pilgrim v. The World and Hollywood/Bollywood, to name a few.
Alison / March 7, 2013 at 03:32 pm
Wow. Steinberg's article starts off nice enough, then turns so bitter (and stupid). Chicago has always been my favourite American city, but I may reconsider. Dear Neil, Canadians do not "sit crouched in slush with their hands locked around their knees, gazing poutingly over the border to the south, paralyzed with envy, disdain and longing." Why would we want to live in your crime ridden, health care lacking, egotistical country when we already live in Canada? Oh and we have artisanal donut shops too.
iSkyscraper / March 7, 2013 at 03:35 pm
Chicago is necessarily not more dangerous, or more anything other than more segregated and extreme. It's terrible areas are much more terrible, it's nice areas much more nice. It's tall buildings are taller, it's touristy areas are more touristy, it's poverty-stricken areas are more impoverished, it's abandoned areas more abandoned, and so on. Toronto is indeed more balanced but because of this also more blah, which for some people floats their boat and for others leave them longing.

At least like Toronto, the Chicago media know an ass of a mayor when they see one:
SlappedNeil / March 7, 2013 at 03:44 pm
I slapped that author with an email. Here's an excerpt:
"If I was the 500th important person in Chicago that would probably make me the 473rd fattest person in the United States. You can definitely have your Largest City title all you want.

....Oh by the way, I think the most famous thing about your Skyline was the fact that it was featured in the tv show Family Matters. Oops. Did I do that?"

CaligulaJones replying to a comment from vampchick21 / March 7, 2013 at 03:44 pm
Very sad, isn't it? I know that Torontonians are pretty thin-skinned, but I used to think that they, or at least BlogTOnians, had a sense of humour. And as mentioned above, the guy was pretty dead on. Especially the stuff about the TV antenna...
Kevin Montgomery / March 7, 2013 at 03:44 pm
"a movie in Toronto that actually takes place in Toronto" -> Scott Pilgrim vs. The World. BOOM!
Whocares?! / March 7, 2013 at 03:44 pm
Chicago is a fine place in a lot of ways. This all reads like an inferiority complex pissing match though. Chicago was always the 'Second City' behind New York until L.A. made it the third. Apparently now, the see us as having made them fourth. They should be use to slipping down the scale and we shouldn't give a damn.
We're number FOUR! We're number FOUR! / March 7, 2013 at 03:49 pm
I love Chicago, and this piece doesn't change that one bit. I took this article to be tongue-in-cheek, but it seems so others have taken the some of the jabs to heart.
nardl blarn / March 7, 2013 at 03:51 pm
The fact that people keep citing the same pieces of evidence (scott pilgrim, CN tower, blue jays winning 20 years ago) is enough to make you think maybe there isn't really that much evidence out there. That these things are anomalies within the much bigger picture of Toronto's mediocre existence.
Yawn / March 7, 2013 at 03:58 pm
Why do we need the Chicago Sun-Times to shit all over us when we do such an amazing job of shitting all over ourselves? Boring. I like both cities.
Maria / March 7, 2013 at 03:59 pm
Dear Toronto,

Let's have a toast for the douchebags,
Let's have a toast for the assholes,
Let's have a toast for the scumbags,
Every one of them that I know
Let's have a toast for the jerkoffs
That'll never take work off
Baby, I got a plan
Run away fast as you can from all the haters.

Mr. Steinberg, stop taking cheap shots and write a substantial article that we Torontonians can give a fuck about. =)

ROB / March 7, 2013 at 04:02 pm
Chicago is not necessarily more dangerous? Are you for real? Try walking around in the downtown core. Let's see what happens.

We drove through the downtown core of Chicago and actually feared for our lives. We couldn't leave fast enough.

A safe place to walk ALONE gives Toronto superiority over that cesspool.
zktxo / March 7, 2013 at 04:06 pm
Chicago style pizza is not even celebrated by their locals and are mostly consumed by tourists.... which is kinda sad.
Rob Ford / March 7, 2013 at 04:09 pm
I take a dump on the city every day, so how is this surprising?
Chi replying to a comment from ROB / March 7, 2013 at 04:09 pm
Where in Chicago were you? If you were in the Loop (which is pretty much what is considered downtown) it is pretty similar to the downtown core in Toronto in terms of cleanliness, safety, etc. There are some pretty bad places in Chicago (some just outside of the core), but their downtown is fairly clean cut.
Rob replying to a comment from ROB / March 7, 2013 at 04:10 pm
My guess is the same thing would happen that happens everyday in downtown Chicago... millions of people descend for work in really cool office buildings, hanging out by the lakefront, shopping on Mag Mile... aaaaaaaand getting home at the end of the day without as much as a scratch on them.
Kate / March 7, 2013 at 04:26 pm
I grew up in Chicago and moved to Toronto a year ago. Toronto is safer, has better Asian food, and better-looking people. Chicago has better Mexican food, an almost laughably prettier lakefront, and a more vibrant comedy scene.

And to respond to ZKTXO, we ate deep dish pizza growing up on the southwest side of the city, and we loved it. It's definitely celebrated by Chicagoans. But we like thin crust too.
fejeh / March 7, 2013 at 04:29 pm
Oh the skyline of Toronto is something you'll get onto
But they say you've got to live there for a while
And if you got the money you can get yourself a honey
With a written guarantee ta make you smile
- Gordon Lightfoot
steve replying to a comment from Rob / March 7, 2013 at 04:30 pm
No!! No!! No!!! Chicago's bight, like all Amercian cities is due to racial segregation.
Reality / March 7, 2013 at 04:30 pm
It was a humour piece. Canadians are supposed to be able to take a joke, not get butt hurt. Sure we can dish out jokes at the expense of Americans but god forbid they should do the same. Shut up and drink your maple syrup.
M / March 7, 2013 at 04:33 pm
"And at least being polite means we didn’t murder 500 of each other last year, like you did. We maxed out at 54. You hit 54 homicides in your city before the end of February, last year."

Read the rebuttal "Dear Chicago" on
LOL / March 7, 2013 at 04:35 pm
I love how people get soooo bent out of shape over obvious satire... or maybe you can't see that it's satire, which is even more funny.
LOL replying to a comment from vampchick21 / March 7, 2013 at 04:37 pm
That makes it even funnier, watching these fools get all riled up over nothing.
Peter / March 7, 2013 at 04:39 pm
"I’d rather be the 500th most important person in Chicago than the King of Canada.”

Wow. At this rate I am SURE he will win some award in journalism...
GRBY / March 7, 2013 at 04:41 pm
Steinburg sounds like your typical ignorant American, envious of our growing City.

Your food stamp economy in America has gone to shit.

Enjoy your lack of health care and your 3rd world status, America.

Watch out for the syringes on the sidewalk on your way out.

ROB replying to a comment from Chi / March 7, 2013 at 04:49 pm
This place had old buildings some dilapidated. A family living in a broken down old car. Visible drug dealing and packs of young blacks that were itching for a fight. Sounds safe.

Like I said most of you b#llshitters who say it's just like Toronto, I propose we drop you off in the core and see if you make it out without being mugged,raped,or killed. We could film it for posterity or an interesting reality show.
Clueless? / March 7, 2013 at 04:55 pm
This was obviously a HUMOUR piece! The fact that no one seems to be able to see past their rose-coloured glasses is actually quite sad, wishing people get murdered and the like... Disgusting.

Give your heads a shake and read the article again. After about two paragraphs it is blatantly obvious. If you've reached the comment about the "TV Antenna" and still don't see it... well, don't think there's much one can do at that point.

mike / March 7, 2013 at 04:56 pm
Chicago is officially the aged, crazed Baby Jane of cities.
Clueless? replying to a comment from Clueless? / March 7, 2013 at 04:56 pm
oops, meant:

don't think there's much one can do "TO HELP YOU" at that point.
Joe / March 7, 2013 at 05:01 pm
Chicago has never wanted to be any other city. Chi-town knows it's not considered a glamorous city. We've been the slaughterhouse capitol of the world. We're the city of big shoulders. We ain't snobs.

NY, LA - for years we've said "get over yourselves!" We'll add Toronto to the list.

And we don't love the Cubbies because they win. We love them because they are the Cubbies. It's Harry Carry singing at Wigley Field. It's Chicago man, and if you don't understand that's cool and I don't expect to you to get it.
Donald Stumped / March 7, 2013 at 05:03 pm
"The Chicago Sun-Times takes a dump on Toronto"

And we care why? Oh right, we don't.
Joe / March 7, 2013 at 05:06 pm
btw - a Canadian paper asked the "Chicagoland Chamber of Commerce" for comment.

If you know what Chicagoland is, you'll know why this is very funny.

Chicago didn't publicize this story. Toronto papers actually asked the mayor of Chicago to comment on the new population difference.

They asked the mayor for comments! Srsly people, get over yourself.
Rob replying to a comment from Joe / March 7, 2013 at 05:08 pm
This guy gets it.
Rob replying to a comment from ROB / March 7, 2013 at 05:08 pm
Are you going to continue to ignore the millions of daily trips into the city that result in absolutely nothing happening?

Todd Toronto / March 7, 2013 at 05:14 pm
Seriously? Grow a thicker skin and a sense of humour, people. I love Toronto, but this article made me laugh. It was so obviously tongue-in-cheek.

Have we lost the ability to laugh at ourselves?

And for the record, Chicago's downtown architecture is vastly superior to ours. How many Toronto buildings would you classify as beautiful or unique?
iSkyscraper replying to a comment from ROB / March 7, 2013 at 05:20 pm
Rob, you are showing some serious levels of ignorance here. Torontonians are just as guilty of ignorant stereotypes as Americans, apparently.

Here are the actual stats. If you look up the homicides for Chicago last year, yeah, there are 500 of them. Exactly zero of those happened in the loop. Same story the year before that. Meanwhile, Toronto has had a pretty high number of shootings in its most central and public places. (Eaton Centre, Yonge St, nightlife areas around the downtown, even offices, etc). So like I said, it's all almost extremes. Chicago's unsafe, bad areas are much more unsafe and much more run down than their peers in Toronto. But their downtown is much prettier, much more beautifully designed and actually safer than downtown Toronto. Toronto is just a more balanced place with fewer good and bad extremes (which is rather like Canada vs the US in general).
the lemur / March 7, 2013 at 05:21 pm
Satire? Probably. Funny? Not particularly.

As satirical put-downs of entire cities go, this is a lot better:,31554/
Rob replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / March 7, 2013 at 05:31 pm
Folks simply don't know how to digest crime statistics. 15% of all police calls occurred in a geographic area that makes up less than 2% of Chicago. People see a murder rate 10x Toronto's and expect 10 separate double homicides to happen in Chicago's equivalent of the Eaton Centre every year.

In Toronto, violent crime is random. A stabbing at Yonge/Eg, shootings in the Eaton Centre, the usual stuff in pockets of Etobicoke and Scarborough... In Chicago, violent crime is not random. It is significantly gang and drug related. Not significantly, actually, overwhelmingly.
Rob / March 7, 2013 at 05:36 pm
Also, if Chicago was as adequately policed as Toronto (it's thousands of officers short), the murder rate wouldn't be quite so outrageous.
S / March 7, 2013 at 05:37 pm
Where exactly is this core you're taking about?
Jose replying to a comment from Maria / March 7, 2013 at 05:47 pm
Did you intentionally use Kanye's song because he's from Chicago? If so, you're brilliant.

In any case, I had a feeling of satire when I read this article. Maybe we're taking it too close to heart, and maybe this is all just a joke?
Aaron replying to a comment from Sarah / March 7, 2013 at 06:16 pm
Maybe he means 'movies that more than a handful of people have actually watched' or 'more than 10 movies in 30 years'? I would think that more Torontonians have seen any of The Fugitive, Ferris Bueller or The Breakfast Club etc., etc. than all Toronto-set movies combined x 10,000.

Then there's TV, theatre etc. but who knows? One day, Chicago may pretend to be Toronto on film/TV or mount a musical named 'Toronto'. Maybe there will be a 'Toronto-style' something available in Chicago.. or even, for that matter, in Toronto!

One thing that Toronto definately lacks is the ability to laugh at itself. Massive inferiority complex/insecurity leads to a pathetic longing for attention from the U.S. and an equally pathetic backlash when that attention isn't 100% full of gushing praise.
Phil Jackson / March 7, 2013 at 06:31 pm
Harbourfront Center > Millenium Park
Argos > Bears
Raptors > Bulls
Ontario Place > Navy Pier
Drake > Kanye West
Maestro > Common
Jays > Cubs/White Sox combined
Leafs > Blackhawks
CN Tower > Sears Tower
nuff said!
Kate / March 7, 2013 at 06:33 pm
Did anyone bother to note that half of the gripes that Batemen attributes to the Sun author actually are those noted by Canadian Business? His own jabs about the skyline, buildings and pizza were his.

Alex / March 7, 2013 at 06:36 pm
I am a dual canadian/american citizen, born and raised in Toronto by an American mother and moved to New York City when I was 17 years old. I have always hated the anti-american sentiment that we as Canadians have held against Americans, however, this Chicago Sun Times writer totally validates that cross border hatred and disgust in which many in Canada enjoy to partake. I have been to Chicago and while it may have beautiful buildings ( architectural masterpieces) it is possibly one of the most boring, racist cities in North America. It is actually labeled as the most "segregated city" in America. What Toronto may lack in beauty it makes up for in ethnic harmony and world class cultural organizations. When he states that humility is offensive and Chicogoans always toot their own horn and that is something to be proud of-- I can only think that he is completely ignorant. What makes a Torontonian so special and Canadians as well is that we do not feel the need to pretend to be anything were not. As for the humour comment listed above, Canadians can laugh at themselves, in fact, half of the original cast of Chicago's second city were Canadians, but this article was just tasteless and covering it up as joke makes it evermore appear that the writer falters against scrutiny. What Canadians take issue to is the continuing disrespect and lack of education Americans and their government tend to demonstrate when discussing Canada, Canadians, and their contributions. Afterall, we are their largest trading partner and half of that country would not have electric power, timber, and various other resources if we were not around. Respect is due.
Mike G / March 7, 2013 at 07:20 pm
Does Tim not let you use block quotes from said slanderpiece?? I DEMAND BLOCKQUOTES!
Joe / March 7, 2013 at 07:20 pm
"And having answered so I turn once more to those who sneer at this my city, and I give them back the sneer and say to them:
Come and show me another city with lifted head singing so proud to be alive and coarse and strong and cunning."

People, it's a joke. I can't believe people are actually getting insulted. The column is a joke playing on Chicago's reputation of being a gritty brawler. Like in Carl Sandberg's poem.

Carl Sandberg's famous poem "Chicago:"

"Hog Butcher for the World,
Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,
Player with Railroads and the Nation's Freight Handler;
Stormy, husky, brawling,
City of the Big Shoulders:
They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I have seen your painted women under the gas lamps luring the farm boys.
And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: Yes, it is true I have seen the gunman kill and go free to kill again.
And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the faces of women and children I have seen the marks of wanton hunger.
And having answered so I turn once more to those who sneer at this my city, and I give them back the sneer and say to them:
Come and show me another city with lifted head singing so proud to be alive and coarse and strong and cunning.
Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on job, here is a tall bold slugger set vivid against the little soft cities;
Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cunning as a savage pitted against the wilderness,
Building, breaking, rebuilding,
Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with white teeth,
Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young man laughs,
Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has never lost a battle,
Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse, and under his ribs the heart of the people, Laughing!
Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of Youth, half-naked, sweating, proud to be Hog Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player with Railroads and Freight Handler to the Nation."
al replying to a comment from Jen C / March 7, 2013 at 08:26 pm
totally true!
Me / March 7, 2013 at 08:57 pm
Funny people get bent out of shape when blogTO and most of it's comments section takes a dump on Toronto pretty much constantly. Ironic some of the same names here defending our city are also the ones who are otherwise shitting on it!!
CanoeDave / March 7, 2013 at 09:52 pm
Mayor Ford should take this opportunity to do a DeepDish-Poutine Summit, it would be awesome and the Star would hate it.

Just make sure none of the idiot whiner lefties like Adam Vaughan tag along because granola ain't allowed suckers!
Bubba / March 7, 2013 at 09:54 pm
who cares and who gives a rats ass!
Francesco / March 7, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Fellow Torontians lighten up it was suppose to be funny and it didn't even get published. As we say in woodbridge "just geeve"
Hate / March 7, 2013 at 10:14 pm
Haters gonna...
Aaron replying to a comment from CanoeDave / March 7, 2013 at 10:34 pm
Yeah, do a Chicago-Montreal food Summit! That would be typically Toronto. As would making it a left/right issue, these days.
Derek / March 7, 2013 at 10:34 pm
For all those pointing out that this is a joke, if you think we're taking this particularly seriously, you've misread both articles. FUCK YOU CHICAGO!
Brent / March 7, 2013 at 11:02 pm
So let me get this right, we're talking about two heavily populated cities and are at odds over which is more heavily populated than the other…
Aaron replying to a comment from Kate / March 7, 2013 at 11:52 pm
Kate, this is the internet: you don't have to actually read an article or two in order to form a well-versed opinion on them!
KDB / March 8, 2013 at 12:24 am
JM / March 8, 2013 at 01:06 am
Does Toronto look more like Chicago than the city itself? Why film the movie, by the same name, here rather than in its namesake? Because we're so adept at adapting to everyone and everything. We are the Kings of kindness, Queens of Courtesy.
We are better at a lot of things than other cities but still, there is much we can improve upon.
evan / March 8, 2013 at 04:30 am
does anyone here care that chicago exists? i thought not...
Sam / March 8, 2013 at 06:35 am
Toronto is very unique city for the multicultural , the amazing foods , entertainment and mostly a safe city to compare with Chicago
mike / March 8, 2013 at 08:19 am
Hey, I'm from Sudbury, you Torontonians know how WE feel!
CaligulaJones replying to a comment from Phil Jackson / March 8, 2013 at 10:49 am
Harbourfront Center > Millenium Park

Sorry, but no. Until Harbourfront gets a "bean", or a lawn, this one is not even close.

Argos > Bears

Can't disagree, Grey Cup champions that they are.

Raptors > Bulls

Seriously, no. Not even in the same ballpark, barely in the same galaxy. Even if you counted seasons over .500, even if you counted playoff appearances, not even close.

Ontario Place > Navy Pier

You know Ontario Place is closed now, right? I'd give Navy Pier this for the statue of Bob Newhart alone.

Drake > Kanye West
Maestro > Common

Whatever. Do you honestly think Toronto has in any way anything compared to Chicago's blues and jazz community?

Jays > Cubs/White Sox combined

Unless you are counting non-important stuff like recent playoff appearances, or even more non-important stuff like recent World Series wins, this is another, "not even close" comparison.

Leafs > Blackhawks

See above, times about a million.

CN Tower > Sears Tower

Willis Tower, actually. Costs 18 bucks. CN tower: almost $40. Plus they also have the John Hancock Center.

Again, no comparison.
bitondos sux replying to a comment from KDB / March 8, 2013 at 01:43 pm
bitondos may qualify for "decent" in toronto, unfortunately...
Terry replying to a comment from Suzy Metaxas / March 8, 2013 at 08:18 pm
We also love NYC -- was there last week for three days. Isn't it create that we have short flights between Chicago-Toronto-NYC? So much to see and so little time.......
Me replying to a comment from Uncle B / March 8, 2013 at 09:16 pm
Oshawa should have been closed two decades ago.
Uncle B / March 8, 2013 at 09:55 pm
Nope! the CAW/UAW should ahve been - Oshawa's workers as good as any in the world! Built fine truck and cars for a long time - should be building honda's Toyota's, enen hyundais, and Nissan for Canada and the U.S.? Union busting by the government in Michigan lost the CAW the Camero and all the union dues it generated?CAW is an animal past its age, seeking conditions that no longer exist in the world - China builds cars using 89 pound women and a lot of hydraulics and electromechanics and robots galore and computer controls - not hairy arm-pits a la Americano engineering. The grease pit and sheet metal American automotive days are gone, Americans, especially thoer engineers, just don't quite realize it yet. The Americano Oshawa I agree should have been close long ago - Oshawa the city, the people still great folks able to produce good things - but they need a chance to de-CAW-ize and move on into the 21st century!
seanm / March 9, 2013 at 07:09 pm
One thing to note about populations, is that American cities census areas are often much larger than Canada. Greater Toronto is 7124.15 km sq, with just under 6 million people (850 people/sq km). Compare that to Greater Chicago, which while having 9,729,825 people, encompasses 28,120 sq km and several states; this nets a density of 509 people/sq km. Looking at our actual city densities, Toronto is quite close to Chicago (both just under 4,450 people/sq km).

I bring this up in reference to the Sun author's boasting about total population sizes, and the fact that the amalgamated city of Toronto (630 sq km) is comparable in area to Chicago city proper (606 sq km).
Maria / March 10, 2013 at 03:03 am
Dear Mr. Steinberg,

America has only three cities: New York, San Francisco and NEW ORLEANS. Everywhere else is Cleveland.


Tennessee Williams

Tamara / March 12, 2013 at 10:18 pm
A bigger population doesn't mean better.

Overpopulation and overcrowding are hallmarks of third world countries.

As far as lifestyle, quality of infrastructure, personal debt, affordable housing, poverty, living space per person, etc. Toronto is becoming more like Mumbai with each passing year.
Laurouu replying to a comment from JHGRedekop / March 20, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Or Scott Pilgrim!
NativeOfToronto / March 29, 2013 at 12:18 am
Chicago = identity, a dump alongside growing beauty
Toronto = no identity, an exploited and neglected DUMP
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jeff / April 14, 2013 at 06:20 pm
I live near Boston but been to both Chicago and Toronto a number of times for extended stays. In my "independent" opinion, Toronto is a nicer metro area to bring up a family. In terms of shopping, culture, restaurants, education, ect, Toronto compares to the American city with "Big Shoulders". It is also more livable and safer. That being said, all the hoopla about the "skyscraper boom" in Toronto is a little exaggerated. The Toronto skyline has very few "quality" supertalls and only a few of the proposed buildings look promising. Chicago has a distinctly taller skyine and a much nicer lakefront.
Joseph / April 15, 2013 at 06:20 pm
It is true, no matter how many 30-60 story generic condos Toronto builds, the Chicago skyline will remain much more dramatic and tall. Until we build four or five 1000+ foot supertall skyscrapers with character, we really can't compare to Chicago. Just look at the beautiful supertall buildings built in recent yeras in places like Dubai, Honk Kong, Shanghai and other cities in China. I can only wish that Toronto would build anything like those works of art. The CN Tower once chic in the 1970s, now seems to epitomize our big but very bland skyline...:( Also, as some writers have noted, Chicago has a far better waterfront, not even close. The city of Toronto really spoiled this natural resource forever...:(
Finky / June 7, 2013 at 02:59 am
He's right! It was the idiotic, pandering, ill-written, ignorant, arrogant Toronto Star that proclaimed our population bigger than theirs, while our metro area is only half the size. The Toronto Star: Telling Torontonians how great they are, since 1892, and making a bundle doing it. The Toronto Star: The tasteless, overstuffed broadsheet tabloid that's always in everybody's face!

That said, I have always found Chicago even more boring than Toronto. The architecture is overrated, the skyline is tedious, the people have ATROCIOUS accents, its history of political corruption puts New York and Montreal to shame, its violence is shameful. They do, however, have much better museums, but can't hold a candle in that regard to London or New York.

BTW, did you know that the U.S. midwest has an inferiority complex, vs. New York and LA, similar to Canada's vis a vis the U.S.?

What I find utterly ironic (in the colloquial sense) is that the sheet-metal clad Sun-Times building out of which this clot writes is the ugliest building I have ever seen in any city, anywhere!
jeff / June 15, 2013 at 09:31 am
I see there is some interest again in the cancelled "Chicago Spire" project according to the Wall Street Journal. It is indeed sad that Toronto's condo boom of the last several years did not produce any noteworthy supertall condo projects like the "Spire". Instead we got an endless number of cookie cutter 30 story condos that look like boxes...:( Yes, we have the new Trump and others that are indeed tall. However, 300m is the new world standard of supertall. As one writer noted, in 5 years Toronto's tallest building will barely make the top 150 tallest in the world...not exactly impressive for Canada's first city...:(
Scott / June 23, 2013 at 08:25 am
one of the reasons the chicago skyline looks more impressive than toronto is because its buildings line up parallel to the lakefront. many of torontos skyscrapers run up along yonge stret which is perpendicular to the lake. since most skyline pics take the perspective from the lake you can see why their is a difference. also toronto has a very dense downtown core unlike chicago where the skyscrapers are more spread out.
Mark / June 26, 2013 at 09:29 am
....Are we comparing big social problems, big inequalities, complex societies, discrimination, racism, high crime rate and daily shootings....? .... Chicago is an American city....Toronto is a Canadian city ........instead of beautiful skylines, nice architecture, and good theater, I would rather value a city with best quality of life and a highest standard of living...
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Max / November 20, 2014 at 08:52 am
I think chicago is the only big city where the majority of the people are down to earth and nice. LA is stuck up, NYC is arrogant, and Toronto full of themselfs.
Rham Emanuel / February 17, 2015 at 12:42 pm
Who are we kidding? TORONTO SUCKS HUGGGGEEEE!!
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