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MGM reveals its plans for a casino at Exhibition Place

Posted by Chris Bateman / March 6, 2013

toronto mgm casinoExhibition Place could get a whole lot more extravagant if MGM is able to realize its vision for a casino resort on the lake front property. Executives from the American gaming giant officially unveiled their plan to package Ontario Place, BMO Field, Molson Amphitheatre, and the CNE into a single sprawling entertainment complex spanning both sides of the Lake Shore Boulevard.

The major development will, the company says, represent a $3-5 billion investment resulting in 10,000 permanent and 5,000 construction jobs. The overhaul will also see the entrance fee for the Ex scrapped as part a sponsorship deal with MGM and the annual event will be partially shifted to the Ontario Place parking lot, which will be rebranded "Festival Plaza," on the south side of Lake Shore.

toronto mgm casinoDigital images released today depict excited gamers arriving outside a glittering curved entrance (complete with the obligatory gold lion statue) while posing for a photo in the snow. Inside, the company promises cuisine from chef Mark McEwan and a permanent Toronto home for the Cirque du Soleil.

A 1,200-room hotel will be attached directly to the 279,000 square metre gaming hall. Somewhere below, the Exhibition streetcar loop will also be beefed up and buried with direct access from Liberty Village, they say.

The addition of 12,000 underground parking spaces would mean the roads leading to the site would require significant alterations. Ever optimistic, MGM says the new layout with fewer traffic lights will actually improve traffic flow on major nearby streets. An expanded GO station with more frequent service Union Station is also on the cards.

Away from the gambling, ferris wheels, and sporting events, the Marting Goodman bike trail that currently runs parallel to Lake Shore Blvd. will be re-routed along the waterfront past a new landscaped Ontario Place, possibly tying in with plans for the shuttered park unveiled in 2012.toronto mgm casinoRob Ford has indicated that the Exhibition Place site is his preferred option for a downtown casino as the city will be able to reap more revenue from the lease of the land. MGM said in a press release their plan will inject "millions" into the local economy and attract new tourists.

A recent report from the board of health suggested any Toronto casino would likely have no effect on the unemployment rate and would disproportionately impact low-income families. Interestingly, councillor Mike Layton, whose ward covers the proposed site, tweeted that he was denied access to the media briefing along with another local resident. "I guess they don't want facts to rain on their pretty model," he said.

Do you believe MGM can deliver on the promises it made today? Would you even want them to? Is this a way to improve the CNE and net some dollars for the city or just a bad idea in general?

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Discussion

88 Comments

local res / March 6, 2013 at 12:53 pm
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so did no one sneak a picture of the mgm concept on display? i am worried that no one was allowed to take pictures, and local councillor+residents weren't allowed to observe.
James / March 6, 2013 at 12:54 pm
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Did MGM actually pay anyone for this? The renderings look like they were done by the kid of an employee.

With artwork like this, there's no way that MGM's bid can be taken seriously.
FYI / March 6, 2013 at 12:58 pm
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"The overhaul will also see the entrance fee for the Ex scrapped as part a sponsorship deal with MGM "


go f yourself this ain't gonna happen
Rob replying to a comment from James / March 6, 2013 at 12:58 pm
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Which is troubling because the only way they'd half-ass something like a rendering is if a deal's already in the bag.
FYI / March 6, 2013 at 12:59 pm
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Ohhhh I read "entrance", not "entrance fee".

Never mind.
Jordan / March 6, 2013 at 01:00 pm
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Wow - this looks terrible. You'd think for a billion dollar project they could at least produce some better renderings - or hire an architect for that matter.
Joe / March 6, 2013 at 01:09 pm
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A casino proposal made up of cartoon landscapes avoiding any detail whatsoever! What a scam all this casino nonsense is creating!
Library Computer / March 6, 2013 at 01:10 pm
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These children's drawings are another major embarassment in the history of a city that has been heavy on such the last few years. The article says Ford favors the CNE deal. What 1970's view of the Conklin Carny Freak show at Exhibition Place is kicking around the idea that a casino is exactly what the land require? We will be kicking ourselves very soon as this shitshow casino conjob continues. Poor people in a terrible economy don't need slot machines and bogus temporary construction jobs. This city is headed to hell. Bye bye any of the charm that Liberty Village has unless your idea of lifestyle marketing is live, work, play AND gamble your mortgage away.
MJ / March 6, 2013 at 01:11 pm
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Not only do I like the renderings, but I also like the idea.

I think the city is in desperate need or something like this. We need to move forward, not consistently backwards because of city government is too busy bickering about EVERY. SINGLE. THING.

Bring on a downtown Casino!
Library Computer / March 6, 2013 at 01:12 pm
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Does anyone want to make a serious bet that the people of Toronto will reject a casino after all?
RIck / March 6, 2013 at 01:14 pm
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I like the renderings - reminds me of grade school informational litature from the late 80's/early 90's - kinda like the stuf that warned you on the dangers of drugs and safe sex.

The location is perfect.
Library Computer / March 6, 2013 at 01:14 pm
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I guess what's lost here is also the end of the era of the Canadian National Exhibition. Maybe that's why I'm so ornery here today. Can we all agree that the EX is through?
newmediamike / March 6, 2013 at 01:17 pm
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They would relegate the Ex to the Ontario Place parking lot? So to MGM our Grand Old Lady by the Lake is no better than a shopping center midway?

Please let MGM be the Biggest Loser.
James replying to a comment from Library Computer / March 6, 2013 at 01:17 pm
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The Ex has seen its attendance rise every year. Last year was what, 1.1 million people?

No, the Ex is not through, and it should not be closed. It should also not be relocated, temporarily (for construction of said casino) or permanently.

We may as well tear down the Sky Dome and CN Tower to make room for condos, since all of Toronot's heritage is pretty much going to hell.
Maria / March 6, 2013 at 01:19 pm
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I go to so many shows at the Molson Amphitheatre and the parking situation is already horrendous during the last 2 weeks of summer (because of the CNE and TFC games). I can only imagine what adding the casino would do.

The casino is just a bad idea in general.
Soren / March 6, 2013 at 01:22 pm
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Looks like a Watchtower pamphlet.
Chris / March 6, 2013 at 01:22 pm
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I much prefer hand-drawn watercolor illustrations over some soul-less sterile 3D models.
Library Computer / March 6, 2013 at 01:23 pm
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I get the feeling that a half dozen complaints on an unprofitable blog like blogto.com are going to do little to shutdown the steam roll of private hotel meetings at the Sheraton where only a few of the rightly connected people can attend. I wonder if any single parent families in Parkdale are being courted for input.
Alex / March 6, 2013 at 01:23 pm
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I can't really bring myself to care about the casino thing, I just don't see it having a huge impact. Sure, the Ex will change, but they've been changing a lot over the past few years anyway. They removed a ton of parking and some buildings to build a soccer stadium that they can't even use during the Ex, so I feel like that had more of an impact than this will.
NC / March 6, 2013 at 01:23 pm
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I'm anti-casino, but pro-(these renderings) ... what's up with the rendering hate? They look great! Hahahaha!
Michael / March 6, 2013 at 01:29 pm
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I see a traffic nightmare of epic proportions.
Hmm / March 6, 2013 at 01:29 pm
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Looks like a poor use of space compared to the other proposal we saw for Front St. They obviously don't have a clear architectural plan either but it also looks unimpressive.
Library Computer / March 6, 2013 at 01:34 pm
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Let's not forget the grand proposal for a CADILLAC FAIRVIEW SHOPPING MALL at the site. Has anyone ever been to the Niagara Falls Casino shopping mall? Half the size of the Eaton Centre is still a formidable size to be drawing customers from Liberty Village and the like. How can anyone ANYONE approve a shopping mall from the no-go-zone and death-row alley that is the Driect Energy Centre.

Never mind that this whole proposal stinks with respect to sheer energy costs now and in the future. Looks like the early nineties are back in. Not a green idea in sight, or on site for that matter.
Library Computer / March 6, 2013 at 01:37 pm
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Forget it, I'm completely all wrong here. The thousands of people will be brought in by the soon to be completed RIPLEYS BELIEVE IT OR NOT AQUARIUM at the base of the CN Tower.

Once again, a pedestrian unfriendly shopping mall by MGM is this administration's favoured proposal? Where is the ferris wheel?
Yoris / March 6, 2013 at 01:38 pm
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Woah. Woah. Woah.

Woah.
Where are the condos?
How can we have a development in Toronto be allowed if we don't have 60-storey condos squished up against each other as part of it?
And.. and.. improving transit? what's this nonsense? why aren't we making a whole new MGM SUV ramp off the gardener, which by the way will become the double-decker casino expressway?
LAugh. laff. laff.
Library Computer replying to a comment from Yoris / March 6, 2013 at 01:43 pm
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Wait, you got it. An off ramp for MGM and SUV's only. That lane avoids the soon-to-be-implemented transit-toll tax and gets the discount at the incredible RIPLEY's AQUARIUM at the base of the CN Tower. We had it all wrong. Lundy's Lane is what we're shooting for now in Toronto. There are no condos on Lundy's Lane.
Boofus / March 6, 2013 at 01:43 pm
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I want a casino. Why? FREE SODA POP!!!!
Liberty Villain replying to a comment from MJ / March 6, 2013 at 01:44 pm
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Well said.
Library Computer replying to a comment from Yoris / March 6, 2013 at 01:47 pm
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In the final childlike Watchtower/Awake magazine rendering, Lakeshore Road and the Gardiner have been completely removed. Now that's efficiency in politics. They are going to consider hundreds of millions worth of taxpayers dollars for a company (MGM/CADFAIR) that can't even get the highway/road right?

Good news for the transit file!
Aaron / March 6, 2013 at 01:47 pm
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Doug Ford should sue MGM for stealing his waterfront mega-mall idea.
Todd Toronto / March 6, 2013 at 02:00 pm
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Did anyone notice that this design levels all of the existing 1971 era Ontario Place, including Cinesphere?
Robert replying to a comment from Yoris / March 6, 2013 at 02:11 pm
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A bit off topic, but I feel you do not know what the word squished means in context to building. A condo tower has significantly more space between the next tower then you get in a suburban home. The tower also includes public space and commercial/retail space. Take a bit of time to understand what a condo tower is and how it fits into the need to house people in a high city of 2.8 million people.
motoTO replying to a comment from Todd Toronto / March 6, 2013 at 02:16 pm
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yes, where is Ontario Place and the Cinesphere in these drawings?
It would be very unfortunate if those structures were to be demolished. I would like to see some kind of museum or cultural centre housed at Ontario Place. It would make for a very nice event space.
horizoncarrie / March 6, 2013 at 02:20 pm
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Im all for this casino. Lunch time Slots!!!!!!!!!!! :P Hopefully it will create more jobs....or create more debt for addicts.
Confused / March 6, 2013 at 02:23 pm
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Hmm I saw all the renderings and the models the other day due to inside access, it's funny that they didn't release the rendering of the buildings they look amazing!
G / March 6, 2013 at 02:25 pm
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It's hard not to side with the board of health considering their mandate is to act in the best interest of the public while MGM's mandate is to act in its own best interest.

But I do like the part about the MGT moving back to the lakeshore, alongside Ontario Place. That's where it used to be located and was much more enjoyable than it's new location beside the Gardner.
fritzboy replying to a comment from MJ / March 6, 2013 at 02:29 pm
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Clearly it's citizens of Toronto that are the ones doing the constant bickering. Constant misdirected cynicism.
fritzboy replying to a comment from MJ / March 6, 2013 at 02:31 pm
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No, the renderings are not child-like. They are preliminary renderings not meant to represent a finalised design.
fritzboy replying to a comment from Library Computer / March 6, 2013 at 02:34 pm
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Did you not read the article. It states 10,000 permanent jobs and 5,000 construction jobs. Construction jobs are hardly "bogus". Your comment makes no sense.
Rob replying to a comment from fritzboy / March 6, 2013 at 02:43 pm
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Wake me up when a project that claims to create 10,000 jobs actually does that. Until then, it's hot air from a bully corporation hoping to sucker some starstruck self-conscious idiots who are so concerned with what the world thinks of Toronto. That's it. Easiest way to make money in this city is to convince a Torontonian (or a local politician) that someone in New York City will care about what they're doing.
Bobo / March 6, 2013 at 02:52 pm
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Where are Doug Ford's Ferris Wheel and Monorail?
bucketface / March 6, 2013 at 02:56 pm
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On a provincial scale it should be considered that although this will create jobs, it will probably remove many more from Niagara falls. It's not "adding jobs" to the province, it's moving some of them around and will basically sink a struggling city nearby.

I'm surprised no one has really seemed to give it much thought.
george / March 6, 2013 at 03:00 pm
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I can't believe anybody cares about "The EX". Carnival games? Deep fried food? Dangerous rides? What exactly is the draw? It's obsolete and can easily be replaced by more progressive festivals.

Having aid that I don't support the MGM casino...if one is to be built the Oxford properties/convention centre bid is much better,
Todd Toronto replying to a comment from george / March 6, 2013 at 03:11 pm
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"Progressive festivals"?

You have my attention. Go on.
Alex replying to a comment from Soren / March 6, 2013 at 03:15 pm
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It absolutely does! And I'm wondering who is paying for the TTC/GO upgrades they are mentioning. I didn't know MGM is in charge of the Gov't of Ontario's Lakeshore line.
Skye replying to a comment from Todd Toronto / March 6, 2013 at 03:18 pm
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The pods are still there, as is a blob-like thing that I think is supposed to be the Cinesphere. As for the waterslides and pavilions, I think they were just too lazy to paint them in.
Alex / March 6, 2013 at 03:20 pm
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http://www.mtc.gov.on.ca/en/ontarioplace/ontarioplace.shtml

So the government of Ontario says no to a casino at Ontario Place. I guess MGM didn't get that memo? No "single sprawling entertainment complex" attached to OP. No means no!
get off my lawn / March 6, 2013 at 03:20 pm
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No sir, I don't like it. I don't like it at all.
v79 / March 6, 2013 at 03:23 pm
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So far this is by far my favourite of the proposals. It shuts up those who think congestion will be a problem at the Convention Centre site, it's not in the middle of b-f nowhere like Woodbine, and it will improve access to the area both from Liberty Village and across to Ontario Place (or whatever it will be by then). Although they're only rough sketches, the buildings themselves look better designed and more iconic than the forgettable and prematurely dated stuff proposed for Front street.
blerg / March 6, 2013 at 03:28 pm
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NO casino anywhere in Toronto!
johnsonstarfish / March 6, 2013 at 03:33 pm
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You guys that think the renderings look like children drawings are idiots. It takes way more time and talent to produce artistic renderings opposed to working on them in CAD. Nor are they meant to be accurate. Could you do better? No, right? Then stfu.
Rob replying to a comment from johnsonstarfish / March 6, 2013 at 03:43 pm
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"Never have an opinion about anything unless there's a wikipedia entry devoted to your contributions to the topic"
Bogus Jobs replying to a comment from fritzboy / March 6, 2013 at 03:53 pm
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Anyone here ever actually part of a casino launch? I was in 2003 and the only good jobs were the jobs during construction, and even then the guys were nickle and dimed at every turn. In the almost 8 years it's been open, hardly any of the jobs ongoing are what anyone in Toronto would consider living wage.

This proposal is best suited for the private sector, but you know the City is going to be on the hook for much of it.

Pass.
Abe replying to a comment from george / March 6, 2013 at 03:58 pm
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George, you're old and outdated and miserable. Maybe you should be so easily replaced.
Milo / March 6, 2013 at 04:01 pm
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I just think this is 100000x better than an empty Ontario Place.
NativeOfToronto / March 6, 2013 at 04:07 pm
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No. Revamp the Ontario Place, do not stray from the main original idea of the Ontario Place concept, but not a casino type at all.
GRBY / March 6, 2013 at 04:09 pm
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Is the MGM not aware that the City of Toronto has an incredibly high amount of condo renderings/advertisements that all look fantastic?!?

In fact 99% of these renderings typically look better than the final product.

You don't want to underwhelm when presenting a building rendering in this particular City.

LOL at the 2nd last rendering especially.... Put a wooden frame on that pic and it would look perfect in any Grandma's kitschy basement.
Johnny Tronno replying to a comment from Maria / March 6, 2013 at 04:16 pm
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You did read that they would build a 10,000 spot parking garage underground right??
Baron / March 6, 2013 at 04:18 pm
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I don't get all the hate. Does anyone here really think this is what MGM is providing in private? This a CONCEPT, jeez...of course there are no details for the public because that would inherently give their competition an advantage. None of the other PUBLIC casino concepts have much in the way of details. But looking at this I can see they have left alot of the buildings onsite untouched. As for moving the midway, across the street the former Ontario Place Parking lot, why is that bad?, that parking lot is huge. Speaking of which I don't understand the hate, really this site is virtually empty for 48 weeks a year, 2 weeks for a car race, and 2 weeks for the CNE are really the only time it gets used to capacity. And the last bit about lack of details on the Ontario Place side, considering the redevelopment of that is SEPERATE from this whole casino debate, it's little wonder the artist's weren't terribly concerned with drawing it out in detail.
TuffyRocks / March 6, 2013 at 04:19 pm
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Mono Rail! Mono Rail! MONO RAIL!!!!

Lyle Lanely: You know, a town with money is a little like the mule with the spinning wheel. No one knows how he got it and danged if he knows how to use it.
[crowd laughs]

Homer: He heh... mule.

Lyle Lanely: The name's Lanely! Lyle Lanely. And I come before you good people tonight with an idea. Probably the greatest... Aw, it's not for you. It's more of a Shelbyville idea.
[starts to walk out of the room]

Mayor Quimby: [at the podium] Now wait just a minute! We're twice as smart as the people of Shelbyville. You just tell us your idea and we'll vote for it!

Lyle Lanely: All right. I'll tell you what I'll do! I'll show you my idea.
[runs over to a display covered by a sheet, and he whips it off, revealing a diorama of Springfield with a monorail model going through it]

Lyle Lanely: I give you the Springfield Monorail!
[crowd gasps]

Lyle Lanely: I've sold monorails to Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook, and by gum I've put them on the map!
[holds up a map of the U.S. with those towns' names drawn on with pen]
bomba / March 6, 2013 at 04:41 pm
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I like this proposal but they need to figure out the parking situation.

BMO field is 22k capacity with 16-18k attending TFC games. Whenever Exhibition is opened or there's a show at Ontario Place with a TFC game going on at the same time, it is impossible to get Parking. Now add Casino into the mix and it's impossible + 1.
W. K. Lis / March 6, 2013 at 05:13 pm
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Don't touch the old-old buildings in the west part of Exhibition Place. Better if they return to being part of the CNE, but don't tear them down. Hide Lake Shore Blvd. if possible, and no visible parking lots.
Mark / March 6, 2013 at 05:30 pm
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I've been in Toronto for 5 years now and I can't understand the obsession with a casino luck with getting the built downtown. It's probably the worst thing that could happen to that area. Any public space should be developed to be enjoyed by every resident of the city including children and families. There is so much more that could be do e with Exhibition Place and Ontario Place but city councillors seem he'll bent on selling Toronto to the highest bidder.
Johnny BORE-onno replying to a comment from Johnny Tronno / March 6, 2013 at 05:40 pm
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Who the hell cares if they put in 15 million parking spaces. The only people who would need parking downtown are from the 905, and SCREW them.
Christopher King / March 6, 2013 at 05:44 pm
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I have no issues with a casino being built down on the Exhibition grounds. The darn space is really only used for one weekend when the race is on, and during the CNE and then is left barren for the rest of the year.
McRib / March 6, 2013 at 05:49 pm
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I'm going to miss those heritage parking lots. Will this destruction of our history never end?
Doug Earl replying to a comment from Library Computer / March 6, 2013 at 06:24 pm
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It will be if this goes ahead.
Christopher (Fuc)King(git) replying to a comment from Christopher King / March 6, 2013 at 06:42 pm
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Guess you've never been to any of the literally hundreds of activities occurring that ExPlace hosts year-round, huh?

Moron.
TDotRome / March 6, 2013 at 07:19 pm
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And, of course, NOBODY thinks of Caribana. Where is it supposed to go? Or the Indycar race? Or the marathons which stage at the Ex? Etc, etc.

How come a small casino expansion at Woodbine isn't considered?
Bubba / March 6, 2013 at 08:30 pm
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FUCK casinos!
Doug Ford replying to a comment from TDotRome / March 6, 2013 at 08:36 pm
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Because it is in my ward, and I would just screw it all up to hell.
iSkyscraper / March 6, 2013 at 09:00 pm
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I've said it before, I'll say it again. This casino is going to happen. The Ex is the best location where it can do the least harm (and maybe even a little good).

In the era of Child Mayor Ford, this is the least bad result.

Go for it.
policethevote / March 6, 2013 at 11:35 pm
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i demand a 5 year personal audit of all councillors and family members who vote. this will insure no bribes.
Mark / March 7, 2013 at 12:31 am
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Ughh it sprawls so much that it looks so suburban. This is the waterfront, so why should we be putting things like this down there? Honestly, I would like a casino in Toronto BUT not here.
Bee / March 7, 2013 at 01:36 am
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NOPE.... NOPE..... NOOOOOOPE!
Doug / March 7, 2013 at 09:07 am
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Jeesh, do you think MGM wants it bad. If they could promise everyone in Toronto a case of beer, they would. Go home and quit mucking around our city.
Affy / March 7, 2013 at 11:30 am
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What about the increased traffic that will come with it? Any plans for that?
allurban / March 7, 2013 at 01:29 pm
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If a casino has to come to Toronto, put it at Woodbine. You save the racetrack, don't kill local businesses, and Rob Ford can look at his accomplishments. In fact, he can be an advisor afterwards.

Just make sure that the casino builder pays for an extension of the Finch West LRT from Humber College down Highway 27 to Woodbine and over to the Airport. Oh,and a Woodbine Station on the Kitchener GO line.
Brian replying to a comment from Affy / March 7, 2013 at 01:55 pm
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Doubt it. It would be amazing if they forced any winning bidder to also build a subway to the casino. In this case maybe from Union or down Dufferin. Or at least subsidize part of the costs.
Ashley replying to a comment from Christopher (Fuc)King(git) / March 7, 2013 at 05:53 pm
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Literally hundreds of events? Sure...you've got the CNE, the Indy, and then the literally hundreds of events that take place at the Direct Energy Centre, Ricoh Coliseum, BMO Field and Molson Amphitheatre. So aside from the CNE and the Indy (which could probably be relocated or the route reworked to accomodate a Casino)...it's business as usual.
Aaron replying to a comment from Christopher (Fuc)King(git) / March 7, 2013 at 09:07 pm
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The 'literally 100's of activities' take place within existing venues. For over 300+ days of the year, the grounds are a windswept wasteland.

The fact that this idiotic casino plan is even being considered for the Ex grounds only underlines the fact that there is absolutely zero vision for this area. Sure, toss a casino here, there, anywhere.. there's no real plan for any of these sites. Half-assed city invites developers to do whatever they want. Just throw a few coins towards the $3 billion + state of good repairs of everything deficit and we'll approve anything!
CanoeDave replying to a comment from Aaron / March 7, 2013 at 09:47 pm
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Look, this is a good deal for the city financially, it actually sounds like they are UNDER-estimating how many jobs will result if this thing goes through, not to speak of the masssive spin-off boom in the business community. Plus it will lead to (long overdue) hiring of more police officers as well, so win-win.

Mark my words, this will be another feather in Ford's cap. This will be one sorely needed project that Moron McCheese Adam Vaughan and his merry band of meddlers won't manage to chase away interest in...much like they did to with the Woodbine Live investors. Those idiots set our city back so far and so often, it'll be years before we dig ourselves out.

My only concern for this casino is they don't close Casino Niagara so the exotics from across the border stay where they belong.
Aaron / March 8, 2013 at 03:42 am
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Does anyone ever question why these casino magnates are spending so much money and are lobbying so hard to open up here? Because there's tons of money to be made, that's why. Tons of money to be hoovered straight out of the economy of Toronto, Ontario, Canada - directly into the coffers of foreign owners. Typical branch plant mentality will leave us with all the minimum wage service jobs while the decision makers fly in twice a year to make sure their money pipeline is operating at full capacity. Maybe say some nice things and toss a few pennies at a charity or two. Fly out, laughing..

We should be on to this by now but no, "look at the shiny baubles!"

We truly are a nation of losers.

Dom / March 10, 2013 at 10:38 am
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This is absolutely the best proposal I've seen for the CNE grounds. Toronto becomes a first class, first rate world class city.
Everything in this proposal is great for the city, it's guests and employment.
It's time to grow up Toronto!
Patricia / March 12, 2013 at 11:27 pm
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I love the idea of a Grand Casino! This will meaningfully help tourism and bring big bucks to the city.

It's a very hard location to get to though. I really wish they'd get some viable public transit out there. Or put it in a different spot. Underground parking sounds like trouble.

I loved the CNE!!!! But it's been going downhill for years. They need to fix it up. I also think that BMO Field is the ugliest thing I've ever seen.
question / March 13, 2013 at 03:17 pm
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What are everyones thoughts about residential properties in the area, namely King and Queen West or Trinity Bellwoods area which is located right down Strachan. Aside from extra traffic, do you think property value will increase or decrease if this ever went through at the CNE grounds?
dgyny / March 18, 2013 at 01:57 pm
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this is a stupid idea my whole family loves the EX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
julieandrew / March 21, 2013 at 05:23 am
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I think it is better as some thing is better than nothing!!

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