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Ontario Place site to become a public park

Posted by Chris Bateman / July 26, 2012

toronto ontario place skylineOntario Place will become "a state of the art public park" under revitalization plans unveiled today by John Tory, the chair of the revitalization panel charged with repurposing the land occupied by the shuttered waterfront site.

The park, which will include some residential and commercial development, will be accessible in all seasons and form "a new backyard for Ontarians," Tory announced in a press conference at Queen's Park. Designs and renderings are still a way off, but the panel emphasized the need to create a vibrant waterfront destination like those found in other major cities.

According to the report, the park won't just be green space. The plans recommend a year-round music venue like the old Forum and several shops and artist studios. A hotel and resort is also on the cards but the report says the panel are specifically against "a wall of high-rise buildings."

toronto ontario place cinesphere Ontario Finance Minister Dwight Duncan announced the closure of the park until 2017 and the demolition of several feature including the famous Cinesphere earlier this year as part of money-saving measures by the province. Park attendance had been gradually falling since a peak of 2.5 million guests in 1971, the year Ontario Place opened.

At the press conference, Tory suggested the Cinesphere and famous features like the pod pavilion could be renovated and incorporated into the final design. The former Ontario PC leader stressed the need for sustainable principles and green materials for any new buildings

After the decision to close was made public, there were suggestions the park become a waterfront casino or the site of condo developments. The province nixed the casino idea before the release of today's report. Previously, Tory said improving access to the waterfront would be the revitalization panel's top priority. A suggested public promenade around the edge of the site would appear to fulfill part of that idea.

The total cost of the project is still unclear but Tory said the cost of adding a streetcar connection to the park would be in the region of $100 million. He also said the bulk of the money is likely to come from private interests and philanthropists interested in acquiring naming rights, not higher levels of government.

The decision whether to proceed with the plans outlined in the report now lies with the province.

So, what's the consensus? Is a park a good way of repurposing this prime waterfront real estate post swan boats and water slides? Is there anything that could be added or removed to improve the overall proposal. Speak up in the comment thread.

Full report: Ontario Place Revitalization [PDF]

Photos: "Ontario Place" by mississaugapictures and "Toronto Skyline and Ontario Place" by Tom Podolec in the blogTO Flickr pool.

Discussion

41 Comments

Todd Toronto / July 26, 2012 at 11:28 am
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"Ontario Finance Minister Dwight Duncan announced the closure of the park until 2017 and the demolition of several feature including the famous Cinesphere"

I don't remember them announcing the demolition of Cinesphere. At least I hope they didn't. That would be an awful thing to do. There was some discussion here the other day about the heritage value of the Sam the Record Man signs. Well, the heritage value of Cinesphere should be beyond debate.
Phil replying to a comment from Todd Toronto / July 26, 2012 at 11:40 am
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Here's the great news:

"At the conference, Tory suggested the Cinesphere and other famous features could be incorporated into the design."
Todd Toronto replying to a comment from Phil / July 26, 2012 at 11:41 am
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That is good news, but let's not lose sight of the fact that these were just recommendations.
Alex / July 26, 2012 at 11:51 am
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Keep the cinesphere and megamaze! Also that one area where you go around and shoot on all the trick basketball hoops, that was always my favourite part. Oh, and keep the bumper boats.

I doubt they'll have many proposals for condos on the site, it's pretty isolated. The whole condo draw is to live downtown, but Ontario place is a fair hike from downtown. Kudos to them for not wanting a wall of highrises though. This could become like a second Toronto Island. I hope they have canoe, kayak, etc. camps there, and really keep the focus on the waterfront and water activities.
Simon Carr / July 26, 2012 at 11:57 am
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Sorta irks me that demolishing the Cinesphere would even be floated as an idea. We have so much iconic imagery surrounding those structures it seems a little crazy, like ripping down the Empire State building because it's mildly inconvenient to maintain (I know that analogy is a bit of a stretch, but it still fits).

Of course this is historically what we've been doing in this city for the last half-century :( If we wonder why there's no sense of self in Toronto, mercilessly bulldozing our otherwise famous architecture might be one of many reasons.
Dean / July 26, 2012 at 12:00 pm
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If it is going to incorporate some commercial space it might be a good opportunity for cineplex (since they are really our only big cinema company with enough money) to save the sphere and renovate it into a flagship cinema. Either keep it as one big Imax theatre or renovate and add onto it and turn it into a multiplex. I could imagine a pretty beautiful theatre - imagine the main lobby with a water view?
Jason Paris / July 26, 2012 at 12:05 pm
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Recommendation 13: "Future designs for Ontario Place should explore ways to feasibly include the iconic Cinesphere and pods."

-I'm not sure that "explore ways" is a solid endorsement of Ontario Place's greatest asset.
Lucas / July 26, 2012 at 12:10 pm
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Never underestimate the ability of people to be critical of what should be interpreted as great news. I may just be a glass half full kinda guy - but this sounds like the best news r.e. Ontario Place we have heard in a long time. Awesome.
Sandra / July 26, 2012 at 12:32 pm
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The Forum was the best thing about Ontario place in the 80's I am glad to see it will be reincarnated in some form
Kim / July 26, 2012 at 12:35 pm
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I actually think that building casinos will be a great idea. Not that I like gambling or anything. But casinos will bring a lots of tourist and great revenues to the city and create a lots of jobs. Why send all those opportunities away to Niagara Falls or Orillia? We could be a great Canadian destination place for casinos. And who cares about all those people that complaint that they don't want a casino in the city because it would turn the people into gambling addict. That is the most ridiculous thing to say. Is like saying stop selling beer and wine because it would turn people into drinking addict. If you don't like to gamble, just don't go. Montreal has a casino in the city too, I don't see any problems over there. So YAY for casinos and hotels! And when at it, why not a man made beach that people can actually swim (like the one in Montreal)?
Jamie / July 26, 2012 at 12:43 pm
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Bring back MEGA MAZE
s.s. / July 26, 2012 at 01:08 pm
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If they're gonna demolish the sphere, can we at least wait until New Year's Eve and blow it up at midnight?
chittral / July 26, 2012 at 01:11 pm
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Park is a great idea. They should keep some of the attractions. The cinesphere should be playing movies in my opinion. The more green space the better.
joni / July 26, 2012 at 01:20 pm
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Turn the cinesphere in to a mixed use gardens and co-op greenhouse. Why would they demo that structure when it can simply serve a new purpose?
The Lonely Troll / July 26, 2012 at 01:26 pm
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IMAX video poker at the Cinesphere! Niiiiiice!
justriding / July 26, 2012 at 01:31 pm
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Great move in thinking forward! Toronto could use more public park space to offset much of the commercial development. Lots of good suggestions here and I would add simply, save the strong and historical structures, and build as much green space as possible. Really like the promenade around the edge idea.
iSkyscraper / July 26, 2012 at 01:32 pm
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Good call by the province.

There is a pretty clear precedent for this entire venture, possibly worth a full BlogTO post. It's called Brooklyn Bridge Park, on the Brooklyn shoreline facing Manhattan. Very similar to the future Ontario Place:

- 85 acres (OP is 96 acres)
- waterfront redevelopment of former industrial land
- somewhat disconnected by highways, etc. from rest of city
- multiphase redevelopment over many years (about 50% open at present)
- park is required to be economically self-sufficient, financed through revenues from commercial and residential development within the site.
- public park
- heavily programmed, with a carousel, pop-up pool, kayaking, etc.
- Massive playgrounds. Very family-oriented
- pre-existing buildings being renovated and integrated
- live music regularly presented in the park

If I were Tory & Co. I would visit Brooklyn Bridge Park and study it very closely, but I suspect they may have done so already. It is clearly a model that works.
iSkyscraper / July 26, 2012 at 01:32 pm
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Link for the above - http://www.brooklynbridgepark.org/
GRAARG / July 26, 2012 at 01:44 pm
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I'd second any movement to save the Eb Zeidler buildings on the site.

Any funny how some people on various news sites (and the BlogTO FB page) have been poo-pooing housing on the site - urban planning 101 calls for mixed use and that is what is ebing recommended.

Would love to see some shoreline rehabilitation too - get rid of some of the concrete and steel walls and let nature do its thing.
Max / July 26, 2012 at 01:49 pm
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Great idea obiviously lots of details to work out. Really...100 million dollars for more street car tracks, What about eco friendly or double decker busses? And what is the plan for the marina? I hope it also stays.
Roy Murray / July 26, 2012 at 01:50 pm
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Tory has fallen into the trap of believing that philanthropists and private money interested in naming rights will build most of the new Ontario Place.
Do we have to devalue our attractions and have everything branded with a corporate name? The new park will bring in tourist money which will more than pay for its construction. Let's not fall for this corporate agenda nonsense.
L A / July 26, 2012 at 01:53 pm
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They should totally turn the cinesphere into a green house!!!
I am getting excited just thinking about all of the great opportunities for this space! its great that they have decided to oust potential highrise buildings and a casino.
Instead, why not source out architectural firms such DTAH, who have re-thought out spaces such as wynchwood barns, brick works, or the waterfront revitalization project which is currently underway... http://dtah.com/project/
exciting stuff!!!
Todd Toronto / July 26, 2012 at 02:17 pm
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I haven't read the report, but does it discuss how to bring Ontario Place closer to the City? It's quite difficult to get to, unless you're in a car.

Take it from one who used to go to those Big Screen Film Festivals in the dead of winter. Getting off the streetcar at the wrong end of The Ex and walking to Ontario Place wasn't fun.
Jennifer / July 26, 2012 at 02:24 pm
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Montreal saved Buckminster Fuller's geodesic dome; I should hope that we can do the same for our Cinesphere!
jer / July 26, 2012 at 02:38 pm
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Instead of a whole new street car line along lakeshore how about a monorail or raised line from the existing CNE ground stop. Wouldn't slow down traffic on lakeshore that way.
Ronnie replying to a comment from Jamie / July 26, 2012 at 03:01 pm
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I second that!
the lemur replying to a comment from jer / July 26, 2012 at 03:20 pm
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If you look at the recommendations, the idea is to take the streetcar line that currently ends at Exhibition, run it through the Ex grounds past BMO Field, across Lakeshore, along Remembrance Drive, across Lakeshore again, up Strachan to Fleet. So it would only be *on* Lakeshore at two points, perpendicular to traffic and a short distance on Strachan. If the loop itself is feasible it might be possible to put it above grade somewhere as well.
I VOTED FOR JOEY PANTY / July 26, 2012 at 03:45 pm
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I ONLY SUPPORT THIS IF A SUBWAY GOES THERE.
Todd Toronto replying to a comment from the lemur / July 26, 2012 at 04:02 pm
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I don't want a streetcar running through the middle of the CNE. I want a subway.
Joe replying to a comment from jer / July 26, 2012 at 05:02 pm
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Monorail all the way. Takes me back to the days of expo 86

And yes! Absolutely keep the Cinesphere and turn it in to greenhouse space. Makes perfect sense. Dwight would be a dimwit if he decided to tear that structure down.
Rick / July 26, 2012 at 08:32 pm
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Well now that they have an idea with Ontario Place, I am now curious to know what they plan on doing with the Port lands.

Just too many docked boats, rusting away, when it could easily be another attraction to this great city.
yyzgirl / July 26, 2012 at 08:47 pm
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This sentence in the report caught my eye: "One way to breathe new life into Ontario Place is to create new and exciting reasons for people to visit." I couldn't agree more! I've been living in Toronto for 5 years and have explored many parts of this amazing city, but I've never been to Ontario Place. To be honest, I've known about it, but it just hasn't been on my radar screen... The most compelling reason to visit now is to better understand the report and give an informed opinion about it on BlogTO! Which I will do...
fee / July 26, 2012 at 11:34 pm
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First of all, the title of this article is misleading - "to become" - this is by no means a guarantee. This report is merely made up of recommendations. The province is not obligated to follow them. It is highly doubtful that the province will follow this report in its entirety so don't get your hopes up.

However, it is a good sign at least.
FingersCrossed / July 27, 2012 at 10:14 am
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I know it probably won't happen but I'd love if they saved the Adventure River Ride.
It was always one of my favourite log flumes, and if parks can have a carousel, why not a log flume? It's be different, that's for sure.
I also really hope they keep the water park available; I only noticed at Warped Tour they got a Tantrum slide and I really want to give it a try.
bee / July 27, 2012 at 11:38 am
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keep the water park and log ride!!!!!
the lemur replying to a comment from Todd Toronto / July 27, 2012 at 12:50 pm
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Yes, let's make it an even shorter line than Sheppard.

Seriously, there's already a transit connection nearby. This could be a chance to have a stretch of track that is almost entirely off-street and serving multiple attractions (Exhibition Place/GO, BMO Field, Ontario Place).
Aaron replying to a comment from Todd Toronto / July 28, 2012 at 02:25 am
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Don't worry, you won't get either one. Not for another 20 or more years at least.

Condotario Place Village, anyone? That's probably the only recommendation the province will follow because it's the only one that will result in $$$$$$$.
GABE / July 29, 2012 at 12:41 am
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Wasn't it already a public park?
J / August 15, 2012 at 03:54 pm
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BRING BACK MEGA MAZE
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Rex / March 6, 2013 at 02:25 pm
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Keep the Cinesphere and the pods. These are icons. And add the streetcar connection.

Otherwise, love the rest of the ideas.

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