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Rhino under fire for "racist" Cowboys and Indians event

Posted by Robyn Urback / January 29, 2013

Cowboys and IndiansA group of concerned Torontonians took to Twitter Saturday night after learning of a "Cowboys and Indians" party at a Parkdale bar. About 15 to 30 people came dressed for the event, decked out either in cowboy gear or "Indian" getups with faux headdresses and war paint.

The Rhino was the inadvertent host of the party, later issuing a statement clarifying that it did not invite or endorse the party in any way. Nevertheless, many have pledged to boycott the bar over its supposed tolerance of "racist" dress, citing comparisons to black face and referencing the ongoing Idle No More protests.

Clearly, the lesson learned from this situation is that businesses should deny service to anyone who has the potential to offend others with his or her presence. That may include a patron purporting an unpopular political option, wearing a t-shirt with a swear word on it, or someone who tells a "How many X does it take to screw in a lightbulb?" joke in poor taste. Better safe than sorry, right?

Discussion

196 Comments

vampchick21 / January 29, 2013 at 02:46 pm
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Did the cowboys win?
Ben replying to a comment from vampchick21 / January 29, 2013 at 02:48 pm
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I don't think I'd call anyone involved here a winner.
Drags. / January 29, 2013 at 02:51 pm
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Quick somebody file a human rights complaint!



Eh? / January 29, 2013 at 02:56 pm
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So, wearing stereotypical outfits (ones that you can still see in movies on TV all the time) is grounds for public shaming and cries of racism? What if they dressed up like English butlers or German oompa bands in lederhosen? Or French mimes or Italian plumbers named Mario? Or _god forbid_ they dressed this way at Halloween?

The comparison with blackface just goes to show the ridiculous lengths people go to when they feel they have the right to dictate private behaviour and politically correct thought. Instead of indicating a slippery slope they just go right off the cliff. And I'll bet no one takes offense with the "stereotypical" cowboys...
Mark / January 29, 2013 at 02:56 pm
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Take the fucking stick out of your asses and get a life. It is a costume not a crusade. Professionally offended people are always looking for a reason to be offended.
e-White Guilt replying to a comment from Eh? / January 29, 2013 at 03:06 pm
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I am offended on behalf of others, but I don't give enough of a shit when it's not convenient to show outrage.

ok,ok, i give.. / January 29, 2013 at 03:14 pm
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This is a joke, right?

Shane / January 29, 2013 at 03:20 pm
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This isnt racist. That's ridiculous. On St. PAtrick's day, and the days before and after, everyone embraces the irish stereotype, green, drinking, those funny leprachan type hats with the red hair attached,the whole pale and freckle thng,even typical ethnic biological traits are exemplified, voice, accent, skin tone,hair type, fake red wigs, the whole thing. You've all seen it 1 billion times, there is no difference, none at all. I do not see why this is an issue at all. Have you ever been to a ukrainian type thing where the peeps wear their cultural gear, including non-ukies who like the scene? They will get dressed up in Ukie garb,braid their hair, the whole bit, is that racist? A good portion of the original cowboys were black, not white. Anyhow, I would like to know why this is deemed as being racist as opposed to having to read people shouting out that this is racist without actually saying why this is so. Is it racist when in film, like Black Robe for example or so many others that have indiginous peoples in them are wearing traditional gear? No. Racisim is all about intent, nothing more. I am sure that the people at the party have zero racist leaning or bias, and they are having a great time as they would when they pretend to be Irish on St.Patrick's day.
JD Halperin / January 29, 2013 at 03:20 pm
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Don't dress up like someone from another culture!! They should have dressed like "Toronto twenty-somethings." Real fun.

To justify their existence these humourless self-congratulators go sleepless in their search for racism. Many high-minded, conspicuously tolerant people are also idiots.
Sophia / January 29, 2013 at 03:26 pm
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For those arguing that they were just in cultural dress: commencing eye-roll sequence.
Bruce Mandrake / January 29, 2013 at 03:27 pm
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The Idle No More movement, which is in part trying to address systematic racism and discrimination, no one cares about.

Some kids dressing up as "Cowboys and Indians" everyone cares about.

You suck internet.
Alex / January 29, 2013 at 03:30 pm
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I don't get it, since when has anyone cared what other people tweet? It's twitter. Not exactly a forum for a smart, well thought out, exchange of ideas.
Mugwump / January 29, 2013 at 03:33 pm
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I'll bet the so called truth seekers who moan this is a racist event, have never actually been to the Rhino previously as a patron? Have you run out of Rob Ford hate this week and need to find another outlet...FFS chill out unemployed pot heads!
Gayboy / January 29, 2013 at 03:33 pm
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I am gay, jewish, and half black.
Mark / January 29, 2013 at 03:34 pm
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The people screaming they'll boycott would never have gone there anyway.
shane replying to a comment from Shane / January 29, 2013 at 03:44 pm
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And just so you know, i'm irish, and have ZERO issues with the rest of the planet indulging in the irish cultural stereotype, even though sometimes it makes me cringe for the amount of faux irishness...however... It is all about intent. Now, if the peeps dressed in all that "faux" stereotypical irish gear along with the attendant ethnic biological exagerations were cursing the irish and and that sort of thing, if it was done in a mocking fashion, then it would be a problem and I would take great offence. It is the spirit within which one wears a costume, whether it is currently ethnically accurate or currently ethnically exaggerated and stereotyped, is besides the point... intent is the point..
Al / January 29, 2013 at 03:49 pm
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I wore a plaid vest on Robbie Burn's night, and I'm not Scottish. Should I turn myself in to the Human Rights Commission?
Dracula / January 29, 2013 at 03:53 pm
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I'd like to go on record and apologize to all Transylvanians for my halloween costume this past year.
Lass replying to a comment from Al / January 29, 2013 at 03:54 pm
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Errr wearing tartan is not the same as putting feathers in your hair and carrying a tomahawk.
Stanley / January 29, 2013 at 03:55 pm
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Johnny Depp better watch out. http://movieline.com/2012/10/03/lone-ranger-first-trailer-johnny-depp-tonto/
ugh @ the world replying to a comment from Shane / January 29, 2013 at 03:56 pm
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OH WOW. YOU POOR OPPRESSED WHITE PERSON. WHEN WILL THIS RACISM TOWARD WHITE PEOPLE END? THE THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF OPPRESSION THOSE POOR PEOPLE HAD TO ENDURE.

And let me guess, all the people who don't think this is a serious matter.. are.... white? Woah, how did I know, right?!!?!?

You people seriously need some lessons in cultural sensitivity and what it's like to not have prejudice. This is basic, 21st-century stuff we're dealing with.
SARCASM replying to a comment from Me / January 29, 2013 at 03:58 pm
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Thank you for pointing out the severe gay privilege in society. Gay people seriously should stop taking advantage of all that privilege they have in society. Thanks.
Carmen / January 29, 2013 at 03:59 pm
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Unreal, when people dress up in Green/Beer related clothing on St. Patrick's day does this happen?!
Benedict replying to a comment from Shane / January 29, 2013 at 03:59 pm
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Hey dummy, Irish people haven't been frozen out of their homes and stolen from their parents. Wiki that real quick.
Khristopher / January 29, 2013 at 03:59 pm
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Uh this is not racism. I'm part native, and I just don't get why anyone would be offended by this...
Carmen replying to a comment from Me / January 29, 2013 at 03:59 pm
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So you're just an overall redneck, taking the opportunity to bash gays while your'e at it.
Mel / January 29, 2013 at 04:01 pm
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Generation Offended.
that's what our situation is right now. This isn't racist. it's part of western mythology. why isn't it racist to dress like a cowboy too, under this crap logic?
V / January 29, 2013 at 04:01 pm
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I guess there were a lot of bored people on saturday that they had to take to twitter to fill their time. Or maybe they're just bitter that they weren't invited....does this mean Halloween is racist? I guess we should really put Halloween in its place next october. Haha

People need to get a life.
ImFineWithIt replying to a comment from ugh @ the world / January 29, 2013 at 04:02 pm
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As a middle aged women of ethnic background, i find absolutely nothing wrong with this whatsoever.

Society is so completely backwards when it comes to what is truly racist and what is not.

These people did not intend to insult any group of people in the slightest.

Why everyone is so blind by political correctness boggles my mind.


idle no more replying to a comment from Khristopher / January 29, 2013 at 04:02 pm
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Oh no. A white teen who is 1/16th Native yet doesn't identify as Native wants to act as if he is educated on prejudice and racism.
e-White Guilt replying to a comment from ugh @ the world / January 29, 2013 at 04:03 pm
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BRB, going to put on my Cleveland Indians cap, Atlanta Braves jersey, and Chicago Blackhawks jacket.
WOT / January 29, 2013 at 04:03 pm
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Here is a novel idea: let's let those affected decide if they are offended or not instead of determining how they are allowed to feel.
Benedict replying to a comment from V / January 29, 2013 at 04:06 pm
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There are tonnes of inappropriate Halowe'en costumes!
is that you? replying to a comment from Mugwump / January 29, 2013 at 04:07 pm
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I thought you quit the internet and moved east?
ugh @ the world replying to a comment from ImFineWithIt / January 29, 2013 at 04:08 pm
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Okay, if you want to go there, as a person of colour this kind of mockery of Aboriginal persons is completely ignorant as to the colonized history of this entire continent.

You have white people whose ancestors raped, killed, and stole land from Aboriginal persons, while in the modern day they wear fake versions their traditional clothing like headdresses that symbolize respect and have religious backgrounds to them. This is a complete mockery. Not to mention the blatant racial stereotyping.

Your race or your skin colour or you background are not a kind of costume you can just take on and off. This is something you are born with, and if you are born a person of colour, you are subject to the institutionalized prejudices that society gives, and as a "women of ethnic background", you of all people should understand this.
HLBB / January 29, 2013 at 04:09 pm
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Curious: why is the word racist in quotes? Because it's only "kind of racist"?

The average Aboriginal does not walk around in a feathered headdress on a daily basis.
The average Aboriginal does not wear ceremonial paint on a daily basis.

This event was not tied to a particular moment or day. It was not celebrating a Native hero (a la Robbie Burns). It was taking something sacred and reducing it to drunken revelry (oh, if you're about to type a "drunk Indian" joke in response, stop...)

Whether Idle No More was happening or not, this really is no different than going out in blackface. It's ridiculing a race of people, who have - whether you want to admit our country's shameful history or not - have been rendered "invisible". They chose the theme for whatever reason because they thought no one would be offended because "well, it's just Indians...it's not like we're going out dressed as Al Joson..."

Don't agree? I dare any of you who think dressing as an "Indian" for a fun night out as not racist to go out in blackface.

Let me know how that works out for you. I'd do it myself. But I'm already Black.
Binky / January 29, 2013 at 04:10 pm
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THIS is what the Toronto twitterverse mobilizes to fight? Seriously?? Throwing down the racist card at a bunch of 20 year-olds apparently having a dress-up birthday and boycotting the Rhino for allowing these horrible racists into the bar? Pathetic..
human replying to a comment from ugh @ the world / January 29, 2013 at 04:11 pm
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And you clearly need to some lessons in European history and Irish relations throughout quite a few centuries. (hint: they weren't well-liked.)
real logic from a brain replying to a comment from Mel / January 29, 2013 at 04:11 pm
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"cowboy" is not a race, nor is "indian" (an incorrect term) a profession. where's your logic now?
Gumby replying to a comment from HLBB / January 29, 2013 at 04:12 pm
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The average Aboriginal is too busy causing trouble putting up roadblocks and getting drunk to care.
Gumby replying to a comment from Carmen / January 29, 2013 at 04:13 pm
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Not bashing because it's the truth.
head is aching now replying to a comment from human / January 29, 2013 at 04:13 pm
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Does that have any direct relation to the state of racism in the 21st century? Nope. Please, I need more people trying to tell me how oppressed white people are.
ctalk / January 29, 2013 at 04:14 pm
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To the people who are trying to defend people's right to "dress up in costumes" such as this, you yourselves are articulating the very issue- First Nations traditional dress is NOT a costume. Thats where you seem to be missing the point.
HLBB replying to a comment from Gumby / January 29, 2013 at 04:16 pm
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You've proven two things:

1) you probably couldn't spot an Aboriginal if you saw one outside of your TV.

2) drunk joke? Your reading comprehension is sub-par...you had to go for the cheap shot didn't you? Because you have nothing else to back it up with.

Come harder...this won't be easy.
Soren / January 29, 2013 at 04:16 pm
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So can I wear my Chicago Blackhawks jersey or not?
e-White Guilt replying to a comment from Thomas / January 29, 2013 at 04:16 pm
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There he is. There's Godwin!
sigh replying to a comment from Gumby / January 29, 2013 at 04:17 pm
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when you say things like that you sounds like an old fart. just sayin'.
sheila / January 29, 2013 at 04:18 pm
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what is the with scare quotes blogto? this was a racist event. racist things happened. racist things were said. racist. note the period.
me1 replying to a comment from Me / January 29, 2013 at 04:18 pm
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hahaha excellent point!
Gumby replying to a comment from HLBB / January 29, 2013 at 04:19 pm
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Ask the people that were threatened/bullied in Caledonia if it's a stereotype........

I've also recently moved North of the city to a town where the very same people decided to have a "blockade" and caused trouble until they ran out of booze and had to go home and get their Welfare cheques.
Guy replying to a comment from ugh @ the world / January 29, 2013 at 04:20 pm
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You're racist for believing only non-whites can be victims of racism.
??? replying to a comment from HLBB / January 29, 2013 at 04:20 pm
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Dont they always go for the cheap shots?
Aaron / January 29, 2013 at 04:21 pm
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I am glad the comments are mostly against these tweeters. Calling this racist is absolutely ridiculous, and by extension almost any costume party that has ever taken place would be considered racist on those terms, not to mention the Village People.
smrterthanU replying to a comment from ImFineWithIt / January 29, 2013 at 04:22 pm
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imfinewithit, sure, you may be find with it. That doesn't make a compelling argument.

Why would I care that an "ethnic" person is fine with something, just because she's "ethnic?" You could be stupid and consequently think stupid things. You could be a self-hating white supremacist apologist.

At my high school, the leader of the racist skinhead crowd was a native guy. He was OK with everything he did. That didn't make the fact that he singled out other brown kids to beat up after school any less racist.

See, logic can be fun!
Gumby replying to a comment from sigh / January 29, 2013 at 04:22 pm
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On BlogTO, "old fart" is anyone over 18.
Picard102 / January 29, 2013 at 04:22 pm
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Concerned citizens, or profesional activists?
Anthony / January 29, 2013 at 04:23 pm
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Well if you didn't know before,now you do. It's offensive to dress up like a parody of another culture regardless of how oppressive it may seem to not openly show contempt for others.
Sorry find another way of amusing yourself.
Paul / January 29, 2013 at 04:23 pm
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I am boycotting the Rhino, not because of this. This is stupid. Bar owners can't sensor the activities of their patrons unless they're clearly illegal.

I'm boycotting the Rhino because they served me and my friends rancid beer and then told us that it was our imagination. The puking that followed that evening would beg to differ.
Craig / January 29, 2013 at 04:25 pm
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People coming through this thread acting like they have a say in how anyone feels because they are ____ are the reason why these lessons are never learned.
Sit the hell back and stop enforcing your tolerance for ignorance on the rest of us.

This thread screams of ignorance and privilege.
I often wonder who the hell voted in people like Rob Ford then I read the comment section and shake my head.
you need a lesson on what racism is replying to a comment from Guy / January 29, 2013 at 04:25 pm
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Do you realize 'racism' is a term that means a race is oppressed.

Please name me, in Western society, once instance where a white person would be oppressed.

Pay gap? Not being hired because you had an ethnic name? Had a racial slur used against you? Bullied because of your race? Taught you weren't a "normal" berson because you didn't represent the 'majority' (white, male, straight)?

You must have absolutely no idea what people of colour, or in fact any type of minority, actually go through in society.
jeanclaude / January 29, 2013 at 04:25 pm
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Sometimes this city disgusts me.
If some people want to have a fun party, that's their concern. Its not actually racist either, its just some harmless fun.

Perhaps these policing tweeters should find something better to do than patrolling the city's party scene and acting a negative light on the Rhino.
Welshgrrl replying to a comment from tonto / January 29, 2013 at 04:26 pm
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Wow ... just wow ... *shakes head*
yawn / January 29, 2013 at 04:27 pm
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Slow news day obviously.
Sense replying to a comment from Paul / January 29, 2013 at 04:28 pm
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"Bar owners can't sensor the activities of their patrons unless they're clearly illegal."

Finally someone speaking some sense. They could have walked into any bar in the city. Was their choice of costume insensitive? Maybe. Should the Rhino be held accountable for the actions of grown adults and what they chose to wear? No.

Ben / January 29, 2013 at 04:28 pm
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The costumes shown in these pictures are most definitely racist. They're portraying stupid, outdated stereotypes and using a politically incorrect term. Imagine for example if these party-goers were dressed as "Pakis" and had dots on their forehead. Would we all still be throwing the "overly-sensitive" remarks around?
The problem, as has been made abundantly clear in the wake of the Idle No More Protests and has been made clear in the comments section of this blog, is that most Canadians are either totally ignorant of native issues, or simply don't give a shit.
James replying to a comment from Benedict / January 29, 2013 at 04:29 pm
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Actually, the Irish HAVE been frozen out of their homes. Usually when they're drunk and forget their keys on a cold winter night.

And babies HAVE been stolen from them. Usually by drunk Irish neighbours who are standing over the wrong crib.
Earth replying to a comment from jeanclaude / January 29, 2013 at 04:30 pm
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"harmless fun"

NATIVE PERSONS FIND IT OFFENSIVE.
THEREFORE, IT IS OFFENSIVE TO NATIVE PERSONS.

HOW IS THIS LOGIC SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND????
Shane / January 29, 2013 at 04:31 pm
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Ugh@the world: Your presumption that all of the people who don't think this is a serious matter are white is a ridiculous supposition backed up by nothing but presumption. Also,it is unfair to use the term white people. Various culturally distinct groups of "white people" throughout the world have gone through mindboggling oppression and slaughter, just as canada's first people's have. I do not think it is fair to assume that suffering is exscluisve to one group, nor do i think it is fair to talk about "white people" as if they are a monolithic group, they are not.

Benedict: You clearly have not done any study on Irish history. If you did the research though, you would discover that your views are incorrect. The two things you describe happened exactly to the irish. I have the feeling that you are making statements based on opinion rather than fact. I have studied Canadian history extensively, and am well aware of the absues that our first peoples endured in times past and currently.
Bob / January 29, 2013 at 04:31 pm
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The "reporting" on this is pretty sad. The last paragraph of snark belongs on your Facebook,honey boo boo, not on your paid gig's website.

Anyway, if you'd done three seconds of
Googling you could have added this relevant campaign:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/26/us/gallery/ethnic-costumes/index.html

And you also would have added the update to that Storify (the update that was put up yesterday, yet is strangely missing from this post, maybe because it would undermine your whole thesis) where a First Nations person talks about how he and some others he gathered, talked to the patrons about why what they were doing was offensive. Or would that have been too fair for you?

You're never going to get out of JSchool this way, honey.
Johnny Charlie / January 29, 2013 at 04:32 pm
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I am native, from Nishnaawbe Aski in N Ontario and
I DONT FIND THIS RACIST.
some people having fun , enjoying themselves? If they had said 'conquer Indians, send them to residential schools, that would be racist but this is harmless fun.
Why do people have to judge them and criticise, just live your own life and let others live theirs if they aren't causing anyone pain.

These overzealous, holier-than-thou twenty somethings absolutely disgust me. The Rhino has no obligation to respond to these stupid tweets.
Carly replying to a comment from Bruce Mandrake / January 29, 2013 at 04:43 pm
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I thought that was interesting as well.
the word Racism is being thrown around the same way people like to call each other stupid ... as if theyre any different (Halloween??) than the ones receiving the name calling.

Why does affiliating this apparent racism party with IdleNoMore make it more relevant to the public ? if its inappropriate than its inappropriate and because someone takes a photo and immediately ignites a flame of racist bashing, doesnt make it true to the actual story, or the intent of the participants.

in light of the aboriginal movement in canada / the world right now, everyone is finally aware & looking for a piece of action to make them feel like their involved or even a part of why things may be IdleNoMore.

at what point does someone just simply tell the party goers they are offended. instead of taking it online to bitch. maybe going right up to them, and inquiring, maybe telling them how offended you are becoming seeing their costumes would make a change.

Its always surprised me to see, how much better everyone is that everyone else when they have no intentions of trying to find a solution. you arent a racist right blogger? and those fuckers at that party may have been. but you didnt stop them. you didnt speak up. and you are an accessory to what youre calling a racist party. when everyone starts acting on issues -> the way idlenomore is. then everyone has a right to tell everyone else what theyre doing wrong in society.

the bystander effect is real. and if you dont want to be a sheep,than stand up for what YOU believe. plain and simple.
dick replying to a comment from Bruce Mandrake / January 29, 2013 at 04:47 pm
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"The Idle No More movement, which is in part trying to address systematic racism and discrimination, no one cares about.

Some kids dressing up as "Cowboys and Indians" everyone cares about.

You suck internet."

^^THIS.
CaligulaJones replying to a comment from ugh @ the world / January 29, 2013 at 04:48 pm
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"You people seriously need some lessons in cultural sensitivity and what it's like to not have prejudice."

Cue the re-education camps....
Jay / January 29, 2013 at 04:53 pm
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Once again the mostly-white #TOpoli Storifying patrol can't distinguish what's real, problematic racism from what's simply misguided or distasteful, at best. Typically, everything to them is capital "R" Racism as a black and white zero sum game, often at the expense of a real discussion about race.

FWIW, I think the costumes were in poor taste but I also don't really care either, like 99% per cent of the population, which includes many of the ambivalent first nations people represented in this comment thread.
CaligulaJones replying to a comment from ugh @ the world / January 29, 2013 at 04:54 pm
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Well, THIS old fart (well over 18) is very glad he did his stupid-ass partying back when the only cameras most people used came with 12 shots, and they usually lasted a year.
loper / January 29, 2013 at 04:56 pm
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Man, white people are super lame.
WOW / January 29, 2013 at 04:56 pm
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WOW ARE YOU SERIOUS!???
I really think that people do not know what to complain about anymore...
Its cowboys and indians!
Little kids play this all the time but when adults do it, its rasist?
Give me a break!
Kids also play cops and robbers, is that rasist? What if adults were to dress up as cops and robbers would that be rasist?
Honestly people need to get a life and stop complaining about everything.
I for one will continue to go to the Rhino, and if you are one of the people boycotting them, then GREAT last thing i need is to be around people like you...
lolololo replying to a comment from WOW / January 29, 2013 at 05:03 pm
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dumb-ass... cops and robbers are not the same as coyboys and indians. cops nor robbers are cultural (unless the robbers were 'blackface' then there would be an issue to be had). 'indians' are.

how would you feel if a bunch of black people painted their faces white and paraded around with a grilled cheese sandwich and a gameboy.... ahhhhhhh! white people are impossible to negative stereotype!

Steve / January 29, 2013 at 05:06 pm
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Right or wrong, they weren't breaking any laws and it's not the bars responsibility to enforce good taste. Blaming the Rhino is ridiculous.I'm sure most of the locals and regulars would appreciate if the offended avoided The Rhino and Parkdale in general anyway
brian / January 29, 2013 at 05:08 pm
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pretty sure there was a movie called "White Chicks" a few years back, 2 black guys with white make-up to look white....this was a f-in movie out in all theaters,,,,,please tell me how its different from "blackface"
yes yes whites were not blacks slaves, but that makes it ok?
and i have no sympathy for "natives" better yourselves
its not 300 years ago
McRib replying to a comment from you need a lesson on what racism is / January 29, 2013 at 05:10 pm
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so taking an example that was mentioned above, are you suggesting that the Irish were never oppressed by the English? It certainly wasn't a pay gap issue that caused the Irish to revolt against their oppressors.

In England at a certain point in time you would see many signs up at the doors of pubs and restaurants saying:

No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish

You would also see many ads for jobs which would say:

Irish need not apply.

But, the Irish are white!?! Holy fuck, guess it cant be racist.

Alex replying to a comment from lolololo / January 29, 2013 at 05:10 pm
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Exactly. When someone dons "whiteface" nobody complains because it's usually hilarious (see any Dave Chappelle skit where he plays a white person, it's gold). If someone doesn't mean any offence (which is pretty obvious since they were at a bar and not some anti-Native protest) then you shouldn't take offence. They were doing a cowboy and indians themed party, not burning crosses or something. You wouldn't get upset if they'd had a victorian theme party, so why get upset over this?
Isee / January 29, 2013 at 05:11 pm
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Ya, ya, ya.

Everyone all of a sudden cares about the native people.

99.9% of the people here claiming its racist, are doing just that, claiming.

You all get up each and every morning and don't give one iota of a thought to the native people.

Dont try and kid yourself and anyone else with your new found fondness for what is going on.



s replying to a comment from McRib / January 29, 2013 at 05:21 pm
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http://www.pitt.edu/~hirtle/uujec/white.html
Patrick Connolly / January 29, 2013 at 05:36 pm
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It's one thing to say that those complaining should be more understanding of the fact that no harm was intended (perhaps that's true), but it's a whole other thing for people to say "chill out" or "stop being so sensitive". You don't know what can invoke shame and discomfort in someone who has had a completely different lived experience than you, and you shouldn't presume to have the right to dismiss it.

This is not an example of a minority complaining about important rights that we hold dear, or whose accommodation would infringe upon our most basic freedoms. This was a party. A party where someone's heritage was being caricatured, however innocently, and who caused other patrons of aboriginal decent to feel uncomfortable. No, this was not originally white people complaining on behalf of others -- a friend was one of the initial aboriginal persons who was out for drinks.

Anyhow, for anyone interested in an interesting dive into how "privilege" works, and how you can maybe be a more empathetic human being in this complicated world, here's the go-to link that I always throw down in situations such as this:
https://sindeloke.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/37/

(I moderated a rather large student discussion board at one point, and issues like this came up fairly regularly.)
vampchick21 / January 29, 2013 at 05:38 pm
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*goes to dress up like a vampire, hope it is not racist*
idlenomore replying to a comment from BH / January 29, 2013 at 05:40 pm
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Do you not realize the small things account for something too? Jews faced major prejudice in Germany before the Nazis, in fact before Hitler, the prejudice before Jews was much smaller. If you accept these small things like what happened at the Rhino it means you are allowing them to grow and manifest into what we see in the comment section today, a bunch ignorant people who don't recognize racism when they see it.

I don't understand your assumption that the people from twitter don't care about Idle No More either, in fact when you click on some of their profiles, it appears that some of them have participated in protests.

The education of all persons about this issue is so important, that is one of the points of Idle No More, and in fact you should be happy to see so much backlash from social media. Because as the modern world understands it, the internet is how knowledge circulates.
Viktor replying to a comment from vampchick21 / January 29, 2013 at 05:45 pm
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I am Hungarian, dressing up as a vampire is insulting to my heritage.
BH replying to a comment from idlenomore / January 29, 2013 at 05:49 pm
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Uh, exactly what part of my comment even mentions idle no more? I have no idea what your response is even based on.
myra / January 29, 2013 at 05:56 pm
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People need to calm the fuck down.
...... / January 29, 2013 at 06:02 pm
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"Bingo to this comment.

The morality brigade (the Twitter idiots more than the few commenting here) has no right to dictate what people do at a private event when they break no laws. If people want to boycott Rhino in the ignorant and mistaken belief that it is the Rhino's problem then its their business, but as others have said its more likely their would never go their anyway.

More likely they are deep in the bowels of York or U of T. meeting in great angst and anger to create straw man arguments and test them out in an echo chamber of like minds. No, there's no narrow-minded thinking going on there, oh no.
(hey, its a generalization but anyone who went to uni knows its true)

My only fear is that the Ontario Human Rights Commission gets its hooks into something like this. They are the one organization that is above the law, and can ignore what the courts or constitution has to say."

This whole thing????
brian / January 29, 2013 at 06:03 pm
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hahahahaahahaha still laughing at "idle no more"
idlenomore / January 29, 2013 at 06:04 pm
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No, it was in response to the wrong comment.
Matt replying to a comment from Shane / January 29, 2013 at 06:10 pm
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Shane. I know a few Irish people who detest that shit, and in fact, DO consider it racist. They're not oversensitive or super PC. they just don't like seeing cliched stereotypes of their culture being trotted around for fun-making.
Matt replying to a comment from Doreen / January 29, 2013 at 06:15 pm
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Suits and ties are in no way traditional European clothing. Here you go,though: http://www.euroheritage.net/traditionalcostumes.shtml
BH replying to a comment from ...... / January 29, 2013 at 06:18 pm
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Apparently you didn't notice I was agreeing with Steve's comment. Bingo to his comment.
Rob / January 29, 2013 at 06:25 pm
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So is someone walking down the street wearing a cowboy hat in Toronto equivalent to someone wearing a Nazi uniform?
Ben / January 29, 2013 at 06:29 pm
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Racist, probably not. Culturally insensitive, probably yes.
Ken / January 29, 2013 at 06:31 pm
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Looks like Halloween in January.
Jay replying to a comment from Patrick Connolly / January 29, 2013 at 06:32 pm
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Patrick, no need for the lessons on racism and privilege. Some of us are well-familiar with undergrad identity politics and simply disagree that this little private party of 15 people in costumes is a big deal.

Privilege is a useful way of thinking about a problem and it's more valuable to have the views of first nations people on this, but it's NOT the last word either. At some point outrage can't be the only moral force; there has to be some common sense, too.
Marc / January 29, 2013 at 06:41 pm
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Attn Robyn Urback & blogto staff

You are not funny, nor are you informative. Your last paragraph was as unintelligent as they come, using the widest stroke brush you could find to wipe over a very sensitive issue. My question to you is, are you racist or just plain ignorant?

Are you promoting the use of black face? because I guarantee you if a person of Native decsent walks into the Rhino on that evening, and you found yourself wearing a "Pochatontas" costume, you would feel nothing but shame and embarrassment. And believe me they would let you know. In no way is this on the same level as someone wearing a shirt with a swear word on it. With you logic me having a shirt that says "fuck" on it is on the same level of someone having a old timey "black face" party. There is a thing called "level's", I really don't know how to explain it to someone who is clearly as ignorant as you, but basically these two things are on different ends of the spectrum.

The fact that this article and your musing gets by the blogto staff is testament to the lack of quality control that goes into this blog. Maybe I am putting to much faith into this blog, or maybe just Canadians in general. Maybe as "journalist" you should take some time to research the idle no more movement, or even talk to some Native's about the schools or struggles they have had over the last 50 years. If you were more informed as a journalist, and less of some wanna be urban switched on post-subrbunite you would know that simply Native peoples have been, and continue to be, marginalized.

My disgust runs deep towards those who can't simply see this a horrible thing to do. We don't have blackface/ slave and master parties, why? Because it is racist. In 50 years from now your grandchildren will be ashamed that you ever even thought this was appropriate.

George / January 29, 2013 at 06:52 pm
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Ben hit the nail on the head with this one

"Racist, probably not. Culturally insensitive, probably yes."

All these people screaming racism are just looking for something to scream about. In no way did anyone attending this party show any signs whatsoever that they felt they as white people were a superior race to First Nation people (you know, the definition of racism)... did they show no tact? Cultural insensitivity? definitely. But guess what, people generally can be ignorant, say shit that will offend someone in the world or just generally not think before they do things.

But the extreme PC activists need to calm the fuck down because they make the rest of us Progressive minded people look just as bad as they do. Stop being the goddamn thought/fun/action police. You are all like Maude Flanders.

The fact that people are calling for a ban on the Rhino, and calling the Rhino staff/owners themselves racists is the really pathetic part of this whole event.
Hmmm replying to a comment from Marc / January 29, 2013 at 06:53 pm
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Ladies and gentlemen, we present Exhibit "A" as an example of a hyper-sensitive person who wishes to imprint his sense of moral outrage on everyone and shame those who don't share it.

You have the right to be offended, but what you fail to appreciate is that others have the right to not be offended, and you can't force them to share your point of view. And I don't think its blogTO's job to write articles that mirror your particularl point of view when there are many others out there.

You know what they say about opinions and certain parts of a posterior...yes, everyone has one.
fact replying to a comment from Hmmm / January 29, 2013 at 07:01 pm
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One person's ignorance is definitely not the same as an opinion.
world peace replying to a comment from John McKellar / January 29, 2013 at 07:02 pm
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You solved racism. Thank you. Now we know that if we don't use the word, it means it doesn't exist. Bye.
Jer / January 29, 2013 at 07:03 pm
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As a person with first nations heritage I am not going to blame any group of "white people" for the way their ancestors treated my ancestors. Ignorant Comments like that frighten me. If we start blaming ancestors for our problems we would all have beef. So whomever made the point about raping and pillaging ancestors needs a lesson in logic. These kids are well-intentioned and having a bit of fun. Take a chill pill and stop being overly sensi.
George replying to a comment from John McKellar / January 29, 2013 at 07:04 pm
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Hey John, you know what another "one of the many trendy buzzwords which are used by non-thinking people" is?... I'll give you a hint, you used it right at the start of your post... so sad... you had a good point too.
Hmmm replying to a comment from fact / January 29, 2013 at 07:05 pm
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Ignorance of what? I'd say comparing a dress up party to the residential school system is pretty ignorant. Please explain what you mean unless you feel there was more going on at the event than a lot of drinking and socializing.
Jeffrey J. / January 29, 2013 at 07:12 pm
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@ Jay, yes, some of you might be familiar with your head studies and identity politics, but if you don't see this as problematic then you were not paying close enough attention and obviously don't get it. As an Indigenous person, wearing a head dress and putting on 'war paint' IS RACIST!!! WAR PAINT = BLACKFACE. It's not for you and anyone else who thinks this is no big deal, because it is.

@George, by showing up in that bullshit, there is nothing thoughtful or fun about this chosen action of wearing face paint, headdresses and braids, to say its anything less than racist is deplorable and shows that you are not really that progressive at all. These patrons supposed 'ignorance is a testament to this country's FUCKED education system.

I'd LOVE to know how long the Rhino let this party continue? With everything regarding appropriation that's come up over this past year alone (Victorias Secret, Gwen Steffani, Coachella), I'm floored (not really) that people can remain in bliss.
blownoutbungs replying to a comment from Hmmm / January 29, 2013 at 07:12 pm
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What the hell are you talking about? "Everyone has a right NOT to be offended" oh yes!! Lets make sure to protect the rights of the "not offended." There's plenty of people not offended by all sorts of godawful shit, by your logic, that makes it ok? Oh I'm sorry, did we interrupt your nightly ritual of farting into a wine glass & sniffing it's full bouquet?

People sure as shit should be shamed if they think carrying on this type of ignorant behaviour is even relatively ok. There should be goddamn moral outrage. But Canadians are notoriously complacent when it comes to aboriginal issues. In fact, Canada recently came under fire from the UN due to human rights violations against our Aboriginal population. Which is what makes a "cowboys & Indians" party seem all that much more disgusting. If you don't understand why this is hurtful & offensive to First Nations, and why moral outrage is completely just, then you are incredibly, incredibly ignorant about Aboriginal culture. Which would be right on par for the average Canadian.

This type of nonesense WILL be deemed as humiliating & gross as blackface now is, and people like you will go down in history for being the sad sack, out of touch, fart huffing hate mongers you are.
Shane replying to a comment from Matt / January 29, 2013 at 07:16 pm
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Yeah Matt,
I know people like that as well. On one level i think we may intellectually trick ourselves into thinking that it matters more than it actually does, and that's why we still have St. Patricks's day i suppose. If irish folk really felt they were being insulted there would be huge protests to ban the thing and put massive pressure on the irish government to shut it down. I totally get what you are saying and used to think a bit like that before...now i have no problem with it as long as there is no ill will or racist intent..if there is, then it's racist, obviously.
Jeff replying to a comment from Steve / January 29, 2013 at 07:17 pm
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@steve "Right or wrong, they weren't breaking any laws and it's not the bars responsibility to enforce good taste. Blaming the Rhino is ridiculous.I'm sure most of the locals and regulars would appreciate if the offended avoided The Rhino and Parkdale in general anyway."

Amen my friend.
Marc replying to a comment from Hmmm / January 29, 2013 at 07:17 pm
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Hyper sensitive? It's more of a issue of right and wrong. This is a form of racism, clear cut, no way around it. Any sort of argument that says this is O.K is completely off base.

I have every right to be outraged that others don't see this as wrong. Not one Native person doesn't think this isn't offensive. There is no issue to debate, it is insensitive.

Blogto owe's me nothing, but when it prints insensitive articles I have every right to call there practices and controls into questions. BlogTo had every chance to say what happened and open it up for discussion, however such was not the case. What we have is an uninformed journailst trying to "cute" in her writings and trivializing a hot button issue of the day. It is in poor taste and reeks of a lack of class.
jameson / January 29, 2013 at 07:17 pm
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Looks like a fun get together.

I remember seeing a group of people dressed like elves in a bar once...I didn't understand it. And I don't understand this either.

But who really cares...
Sunny / January 29, 2013 at 07:39 pm
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Get over it people! I'm an "indian" and it doesn't bother me and I don't need any lefty greeny professional protestors telling everyone how upset they are over some costume party. This PC BS is way out of hand. If it was a Cowboys and Aliens themed party then okay, get upset, because it should have been a Cowboys and Indians party (and everyone knows there weren't no aliens back then except those illegals who came over on the Mayflower and other ships...

Anyway, if you want to protest do so over something real like hunger and poverty and people who don't get the same opps and crooked politicians, not this. And along the way, maybe you should get a life!

Next you'll be saying having Christmas is racist - oh, sorry, some places and people already do. More BS. Unbelievable.

Hmmm replying to a comment from blownoutbungs / January 29, 2013 at 07:39 pm
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You can't even read what I wrote--I never wrote "everyone has the right not to be offended", I wrote "others have the right not to be offended." It's even funnier that you put quotation marks around something I didn't even write--says a lot about your perception of others and jumping to conclusions, doesn't it?

Now that your reading skills are out of the way, my point was that not everyone takes this as an "OMG the sky is falling with racism!" point of view. People dress up in costumes for many things, and comparing blackface (which is symbolically pretending you are another race) with face paint or a costume is not even accurate let alone equivalent.

So if you think that we should right historical wrongs by bubble-wrapping aboriginals and putting them on a pedestal, and then frothing at the mouth when a costume party happens that's your problem. I happen to think that aboriginals have been screwed in the past and treaties need to be enforced; however, I'm not going to pretend this costume event reflects on the moral direction of the Canadian people or the historical treattment of first nations in any way.
Hmmm replying to a comment from Marc / January 29, 2013 at 07:47 pm
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How is a costume party a hot button issue? Again you and others are conflating idle no more with this thing, and it really makes people out to be hyper-sensitive as I already stated.

You also make the generalization that "Not one Native person doesn't think this isn't offensive." Even if you assume most people who posted comments here saying they are native (more than a few) are in fact lying, can you be sure they all were?

This is what bothers me--when people decide they will make blanket statements and become the arbiters of what is or isn't acceptable because their own moral outrage is judged to be the only correct response. If you can objectively argue the costume party was offensive, or prove to me that ALL aboriginals are offended then please do so.
Jeff / January 29, 2013 at 07:49 pm
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Yes. It is offensive. A bunch of stupid kids didn't realize how distasteful what they were doing actually was, but this flying off the the handle over it is pretty lame. Get a fuckin grip.
Jeff replying to a comment from Sunny / January 29, 2013 at 08:01 pm
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Word.
Jeff / January 29, 2013 at 08:03 pm
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Sorry. meant that last "word" as a reply to the comment by sunny. I'm drunk.
apply ice to burn replying to a comment from AprofessionalTroll / January 29, 2013 at 08:07 pm
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Even if it was only a handfull of Native persons, it is still a legitimate thing to get upset about. Because this affects their heritage and their background. Others are free to not care but at the end of the day, those few who are offended are still there. And if you aren't willing to recognize that, that's what makes you ignorant.
Jay replying to a comment from Jeffrey J. / January 29, 2013 at 08:14 pm
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Ah, I see you have all-caps for the word "racist." That always wins the argument!

I'm leaning towards "culturally insensitive" and not "the equivalent of blackface." With a slave-era history of minstrel shows blackface has long been racially-charged in a way that war paint hasn't (for one, war paint is markings, not so much making your skin "red" as blackface obviously trying to make your skin "black."). A bunch of white, perma-activists trying to make it equivalent just seems like such a waste of energy.
AprofessionalTroll replying to a comment from apply ice to burn / January 29, 2013 at 08:15 pm
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i just love how you like to call people ignorant, ever think that it might be you that is ignorant. Remember you are the one calling other ones names, not me.

And a costume party at a bar does not effect or change their heritage. get a grip and stop over reacting.
oph / January 29, 2013 at 08:26 pm
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The irony of political correctness is that we can't call anyone anything anymore, we can't even call racists "racist" because that would be politically incorrect (I've seen the much nicer term "culturally insensitive" thrown around here). Pretty interesting when you think about it.
Pete / January 29, 2013 at 08:28 pm
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Don't you get it already? All white people are racist. Even if they aren't, they are are in the eyes of the media.
Chris / January 29, 2013 at 08:33 pm
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So I guess people aren't allowed to have any fun anymore.

People are way too politically correct these days. Lighten up Lisa Nabieszko
whataboutthegreeks / January 29, 2013 at 08:34 pm
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What about all those frat house parties where people are running around in togas. I don't see no one cry out for justice for the greeks!
Marc replying to a comment from Hmmm / January 29, 2013 at 09:36 pm
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Hot button issue is in reference to the fact that native protest are happening around the country. How offensive would it be right around the time of the million man march you had a "masters and slave" party. It's clear common sense that is wasted on you. Seriously you must be so detached from reality to not understand that comment.

It's clear that your are simply ignorant to native culture in general, which lets be honest is to be expected of someone who thinks red face is not racist or wrong.

If a technicality is what has got your knickers in a knot, such as the use of the power full word "all" then I concede. I don't speak for "all" native but if 99% agree with me then what does it matter? The fact one person who claims to be native on an internet thread proves nothing. I can say by having lived with natives that this sort of behaviour is wrong, and anyone would tell you that. It offends a very large demographic, so why do it?

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CxPx / January 29, 2013 at 09:44 pm
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" "Everyone has a right NOT to be offended" oh yes!! Lets make sure to protect the rights of the "not offended"

One persons rights end where another persons begin. You have to often protect the freedoms of the worst in society to protect your own. This simple thing is what allows our laws to balance so the whims of the majority do not oppress the minority, and that the offense taken by the few do not newly and constantly reshape everyone else. If that's too status quo for you, well, that's one of the prices of this freedom. Otherwise its a slippery slope towards having to pass every potentially offensive thing through the potentially offended person, the result of which is no satire, no cultural appropriation, no artistic license, whatsoever. Basically, you end up with Spike Lee maybe shutting down Django Unchained rather than choosing not to see it, and being free to be offended by it. It shuts down valuable and progressive discussion.

It's worth noting that when No Doubt actually attempted to appropriate Native imagery into their "Looking Hot" video, they consulted with Native friends and Native American cultural studies experts, went through such an "approval process", and still ended up offending people and feeling they had to remove the video.

At the end of the day each individual has to calculate the risks and be self-aware as they appropriate dress or create characters, fictions or satire. I don't find fashion appropriation, musical appropration (see Tomahawks "Anonymous" album, Sepultura's "Roots" album, Paul Simon's "Graceland"), writing stories about other races, or the kind of racial satire and commentary you see in sketch shows and from countless stand up comedians inherently offensive. In many cases I find it to be ultimately inclusive, saying we're all in this together, that we are a remix culture building something new from all the pieces of the past. It's a case by case basis where context, tone, intent, it all matters.

But since I mentioned it I have to ask, why is appropriation of music from other cultures so widely accepted, from Klesmet to reggae to rap, and for the most part being influenced by other art from other cultures so widely accepted, but when it comes to clothing or physical characteristics, people immediately cringe? Some people got so mad at Cloud Atlas for it's makeup, when the sole purpose of having other people playing so many different races was to make a progressive and inclusive film that commented on the evolution and cross-pollinization of race and culture through time? And geez, we just got past Christmas, which itself is the result of cultural appropration and is still evolving.

The people at the Rhino bar were wearing an unsophisticated reduction of the Native stereotype. This is a lot harder to defend than the use of Natives for comedy in Parks and Recreation, a show by Amy Poehler (who has worn a Native headdress in a photo shoot, btw), and who Heather, who created the Storify on this page, is a fan of. But they still don't seem to have had any malicious intent, so I have a hard time making the leap to relentlessly shaming them, calling their moms, calling the Rhino, their staff, their patrons, racist. Educate, not so they will never examine race again, but that they would do so with greater sophistication and respect.

If you want to find people acting genuinely OH MY GOD racist, there's a few in here, but the National Post thread on this topic makes this thread look like a Care Bear parade.
Bob / January 29, 2013 at 10:46 pm
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I don't think most people know what racism is. I do however wish people were just as compassionate and concerned about Canada's own indigenous people.
CxPx / January 29, 2013 at 11:30 pm
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Was Weird Al a racist for creating "Amish Paradise"?

Apparently someone thinks so:
http://quintonslatestcuresforboredom.blogspot.ca/2009/11/amish-paradise-what.html

What a world.
Anishnabe Kwe / January 30, 2013 at 01:14 am
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wow! Parkdale has been my home for over 25 plus years! we celebrate it for it's cultural diversity and love this hood for this very reason! these racist junkies with cowboy fantasies are the poor example of what some people think is ok, it's the ills of others such as those in the pics, and those who attended this "party" that shows a sad case of racist people, it's also very ill minded for the RHINO to not kick them out! yes indeed this is racism and if you cannot see that for your self then perhaps you too should consider your own stance on racism and what you believe is acceptable. if your new to Parkdale or come to party then do it with respect! for those of us who live here, who love it here and who will stand up and call it what it is, we don't appreciate that here. chi miigwetch to those non-native and natives who made this an issue, makes this employed #idlenomore supporter, organizer and mother feel like there is unity in this here Parkdale community! I should not be afraid to walk up the street and have my culture, myself and my Anishnabe daughters be mocked, i can turn my head because i see this kind of shit from fools like those in the pics, but this hurts the children when our culture is appropriated for your enjoyment. no one is laughing but the fool himself!
Frank / January 30, 2013 at 01:56 am
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Just a bunch of douchebags having fun. Do society a deed and have the roof collapse.
Norm / January 30, 2013 at 02:28 am
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Far from Racist. The only way it would be racist is if there was Role playing in some way that would make the Indians look inferior to the cowboys. Any sort of conversational topic that would belittle natives. Getting drunk and harassing the two natives that were at the bar. The outrage over this is nothing short of Hilarious! Maybe somebody needs to look up the definition of RACISM.
Indian guy / January 30, 2013 at 04:37 am
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Not offended
DL / January 30, 2013 at 07:38 am
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Don't these people have anything better to do on a Saturday night than crash a party? If they went and did this in front of one of these absolutely pointless idle no more "protests", alright that would be a little messed up. But it was inside a private establishment. Get lives.
Peggy / January 30, 2013 at 07:52 am
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Hey BlogTO, the next time you want to cover something like this, maybe see if you can dig up a writer who actually understands why it's racist? Or don't cover it. Because you're showing your ass here. And Robyn, you need to educate yourself because the shit you write on the internet is forever. Look up "cultural appropriation".

Those who don't believe this is racist or that the folks who protested were "oversensitive" - cultures are not costumes. Let's let the people who are oppressed define the terms of their own oppression, because white folks haven't been doing such a good job.
Hughmungus replying to a comment from Longandlow / January 30, 2013 at 08:19 am
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Well, I wondered how long it would be until Godwin's law kicked in
j-rock / January 30, 2013 at 08:46 am
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The person that suggested the movie "White Chicks" is equivalent to blackface wins the "biggest fucking moron" award. This thread was predictably depressing.
Harlan / January 30, 2013 at 08:49 am
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Natives have been wearing "white" outfits for a looong time. http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/suns-prod-images/1297355321524_ORIGINAL.jpg?quality=80&;size=650x

Here's an IDlenomore protest. All the Natives are wearing blue jeans; the traditional garb of the cowboy. Are THEY being racist? Discuss.
In This Thread / January 30, 2013 at 09:08 am
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A whole bunch of really long posts that haven't been read.
Cribby / January 30, 2013 at 11:18 am
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This is just ridiculous... and blown way out of proportion.
DJ / January 30, 2013 at 11:47 am
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If I was the restaurant owner, I would sue these specific activists back to the stone age. There is no reason why these cyber bullies couldn't have just approached the group and exercised something called basic human courtesy.

Instead, they went onto social media because that's whats adults are supposed to do and vilified an innocent guy holding a sign and a restaurant that simply made a mistake in how to handle a volatile situation.

Good job cyber bullies. Way to act like mature adults.
Jeff replying to a comment from DJ / January 30, 2013 at 12:03 pm
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Very well said. I agree 110%.
DJ / January 30, 2013 at 12:16 pm
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Amber Waves @emptysthemepark:

@_dharmamonkey It's hilarious. There are newspaper articles about the racist party they allowed there. Deleting Yelp reviews can't save u!

dharmamonkey ‏

@emptysthemepark Totally. I love it.

Amber Waves @emptysthemepark:

@_dharmamonkey I do too. Social media n00bs are the best. :D

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This is an example of the weekend social media warriors that attempted to virtually bully the restaurant involved with the cowboys and indians party. Rather than tackle the situation in an adult and mature fashion, they swamp Yelp with their bogus reviews and then consider people that don't follow their bully ways as "noobs".

Ms Waves should really be careful about what she says.
Jerry / January 30, 2013 at 12:53 pm
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Is it "sexist" when men dress up as women and go into a bar?
Rob replying to a comment from DJ / January 30, 2013 at 01:11 pm
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Embarrassing. Not only does Twitter provide an outlet for shameless self-promoters, it also gives them a false sense of credibility. It's adorable that she thinks she matters and that she accomplished something here.
Mark replying to a comment from Peggy / January 30, 2013 at 01:30 pm
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Take the stick out of your ass and get a life and a sense of humour. You permanently offended people are idiots and losers. Get over it, it is just a costume.
me replying to a comment from Anishnabe Kwe / January 30, 2013 at 02:15 pm
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Wah. Go back to your blockade.
Surf_god / January 30, 2013 at 02:32 pm
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Awww...after reading every post I still don't know what to think or do!
Ryan Smith replying to a comment from Lass / January 30, 2013 at 05:30 pm
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You do realize that some consider it offensive to wear tartan that isn't your own. For example, clan tartan or military unit tartan that you hold no personal connection too.
XParkdalien / January 30, 2013 at 07:51 pm
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I kind of thought we had made some progress as far as what is appropriate and what isn't. There are lots of bloggers here attempting to defend, camouflage and rationalize these actions with arguments that have no merit. What were the party-goers trying to prove other than to show themselves racist, tiresome, offensive and disappointing? The trolls on this site are mindless and feral and no one seems to be able to get through to them. What are they, young republicans?
This was a racist act and cannot be construed any other way. No excuses.
XParkdalien / January 30, 2013 at 08:04 pm
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Here's another thing that bothered me at the time - Weird Al Jankovic parodying the Amish. No, it's not amusing to parody or make fun of groups of people who do not have the power to stop it or effectively protest. These actions on the part of the people caught up in this mind-set to not reflect good things about Canada, their parents or their community. Mind you, at least the racism is in the open and we can see it for what it is. Nothing like seeing a bunch of self-entitled future Conservative politicians having a good time.
Rondo replying to a comment from Benedict / January 30, 2013 at 08:21 pm
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The Irish were persecuted by the British (among others) before North American natives were and for hundreds of years. Not only that but the Irish were shunned and persecuted right here in this new country upon their arrival.
Have you ever heard of the Irish potato famine or do you think that it was about some hungry potatoes?
I agree with Shane! I do agree that some of the photos are a little offensive to Indians but I doubt there was anything anymore sinister than a good time intended.
me replying to a comment from Peggy / January 30, 2013 at 08:35 pm
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Well, we can give Robyn a bit of a break as she is still apparently trying to finish High School. This is a BLOG after all (IE" Not the real world, not real "writing", just opinion as opposed to fact and of course IT'S THE INTERNET STUPIDS!!!!) and once she gets a few more course in writing done I'm sure she will mature as a writer and take everyone's advice in stride and learn from it.
XParkdalien / January 30, 2013 at 08:39 pm
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The bars in Parkdale are set there to disrupt the social life of those living there. Fools come from elsewhere in Toronto and keep everyone awake with their obnoxiousness. Since there's no smoking allowed in the bars, the smokers hang out on the sidewalks and try to pick fights with passers-by. This is just another bunch coming into a mostly impoverished community which already has enough problems. There is no arguing with a drunk, as we see from so many of these comments defending the indefensible.
me replying to a comment from XParkdalien / January 30, 2013 at 08:39 pm
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Personally, I hardly give a shit about what people do at a party and the thought that people at a frivolous PARTY might offend me of be 'RACIST!!!!!!!!" never entered my mind nor would it even though I suppose being half native myself it should ruin my entire year according to the oversensitive PC Nannystate we have become. Some people really need to grow a thicker skin and GET A FUCKING LIFE!! As Simon Tarses would say: "MORONS!"
Jeff replying to a comment from XParkdalien / January 30, 2013 at 08:45 pm
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I personally do not disagree with you that these fools are and were bloody stupid and ignorant for what they did. What I do find incredibly offensive is the attacks by these brittle humorless idiots, who whip themselves into a fury of anything the slightest bit non-PC, upon the rhino itself. this is extremely unfair and quite ignorant as well. I would say it is far far worse than the stupid party itself. These are good, hard working people who mean no harm to anyone they are just trying to make a living like anyone else. They were caught off guard by this swarm and perhaps it could have been handled better in hindsight, but seriously, take a fucking chill pill.
Jeff replying to a comment from XParkdalien / January 30, 2013 at 08:57 pm
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The Rhino, in my opinion, is the victim here. The assholes in this are the morons at the racist party and equally guilty if not even more so are these fools flying off the handle attempting to vilify this innocent establishment.
XParkdalien / January 30, 2013 at 08:57 pm
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Oops, it looks like I've offended you greatly. I'm sorry. How can I help you understand that deeds and actions have real meaning and that you are not a ghost and people can see you and are paying attention? Is that rant, complete with expletives, the best you have to offer in defense of your actions?
By the way, which tribe? The Wannabes? I frequently hear that line but never get to know the connection.
So, don't feel that way. It's just an opinion. Get over it.
XParkdalien / January 30, 2013 at 09:18 pm
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Hello Jeff. thanks for your response. Please note I have said nothing about the Rhino. I don't condemn an establishment which seeks a good reputation with the neighbourhood it's in. And I don't want to see anyone lose their job, license, etc. What I am trying to do is draw attention to the fact that all words and deeds have consequences, and some can be quite hurtful. I am focusing on negative and damaging behaviours, not on the Rhino. This particular event has not improved the tone of what is happening in the world. But it certainly has opened up a conversation, albeit one with expletives. I read the Rhino's apology, and it is appropriate.
Jeff replying to a comment from XParkdalien / January 30, 2013 at 10:03 pm
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I did not mean to imply that you yourself were doing so to the rhino, i apologize, but a large part of the nastiness perpetrated in these comments and elsewhere by those so upset over this has been aimed at the rhino itself. Quite unfairly. Including bogus attacks on yelp. It is those I am furious with.
As for the expletives, well, that's life in the big city.
CxPx / January 30, 2013 at 10:47 pm
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You do yourself no favors trying to find malice in Weird Al songs. Now that's really really exposing yourself as humorless.
me / January 30, 2013 at 11:02 pm
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Life is getting more and more where one dares not EVER go out in public for fear someone somewhere will be offended and spread their thinskinned upsettedness across the internet for their fellow sheep to further spread the imagined EVIL of said perpetrators even further........EEEEEEEEEK! The worse part is rereading Orwell's 1984 with the background of today's society isn't being a conspirocist, it's actually underestimating how bad it's gotten!
XParkdalien / January 30, 2013 at 11:03 pm
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Hello Jeff, indeed, there is a lot of anger here and that need not be. I am guilty too of not being able to control my resentment of those who disturb ordinary sensibilities. Everyone deserves a good night's sleep. It's difficult to get honest communicating in the e-world. Ordinary discourse is under attack continually. We see the worst and most stupifying examples in our own Parliament and south of the border. As they say, it's a dive to the bottom. So we must not give in to the enemy, we must stay the course and rise and talk. Coherently. Democracy and stability everywhere are under attack and the bogus attacks you speak of are a part of that. The Rhino will rise above this by reaching out, and being a place where people can convene and discuss the issues of the day frankly and sort of calmly.
So this episode has been totally annoying, aggravating, but it got people talking about an issue which needed to be brought to light. It was a challenging learning experience.
The Rhino's website mentions that some people came in and distributed flyers aptly titled "Our Culture is not a Costume". This was the best and most admirable response. Apparently the party-goers were asked to remove their costumes and they complied without ado. This was also a good thing. This was not mentioned in the above report. Facts would have been helpful. So, thanks once again, Jeff, and good luck to you and the Rhino.

orwell replying to a comment from me / January 30, 2013 at 11:21 pm
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George Orwell was concern with the democratic rights of persons to not have to deal with shit like this, so you completely missed the point. He did not write so that people could platantly be ignorant and to take advantage of their white privilege.
post modern twatter / January 30, 2013 at 11:30 pm
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moral of story = birthday parties are racist sonum'a bitches and need to be stopped

BAN ALL BIRTHDAYS

BAN ALL COSTUMES

ONLY VEGAN/GLUTEN FREE VISION QUESTS TO PARKDALE SHALL BE TOLERATED TO COMMEMORATE DAY OF BIRTH (Which is a total colonial mind phuck desgied)

FORGET THE SMALLPOX BLANKETS ITS THE WET BLANKETS WE REALLY NEED TO FEAR

CLEARLY THERE 20 somethings BORN IN THE 80s ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ATROCITIES BEING PERPETRATED ON NATIVE CULTURE TODAY FTW!
theworldoffendsme / January 31, 2013 at 01:21 am
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I 100% agree with other posters ... this English Racism against Cowboys must end.

I'm disgusted with English people dressing up as Cowboys, mocking Cowboy Canadians.

Enough is enough.

When will people grow up and stop dressing as 1800's horse riding people?

Disgusting.


And to celebrate a birthday in 2013 ... how dare they - disrespect cultures who don't believe that this is the year 2013.

And how dare they drink, don't they know that some religions and cultures don't believe in drinking. How insensitive.
worldgonemad / January 31, 2013 at 01:32 am
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I'd be suing the people who took the photo's and published them on twitter - with the "racist" label

Don't you have to have proof that the person is racist before you call them racist?

Or can you publish photos of private individuals without consent and claiming that they were holding a racist event?


blahblahblah / January 31, 2013 at 12:35 pm
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Rhino is full of douchey private school kids to begin with. poor timing from a bunch of self-absorbed people.
not worth the coverage imho.
blahblahblah / January 31, 2013 at 12:38 pm
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also: this thread smacks of yorku sociology graduates
mike1234 replying to a comment from ugh @ the world / January 31, 2013 at 12:55 pm
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You are definitely that person in school nobody liked. Please just stop talking, you sound like an idiot.
mike1234 replying to a comment from worldgonemad / January 31, 2013 at 12:56 pm
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You could potentially make the case for slander I would imagine
steve replying to a comment from blahblahblah / January 31, 2013 at 01:50 pm
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Ha! You've either never been to the Rhino or you've a private school douche yourself. But I suppose if the Rhino is too pristine for you there's always Happytime or Sun Fa down the street. Or are you confusing the Rhino with Parts and Labour?
booger / January 31, 2013 at 06:12 pm
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This city is the worst.
Piss Off BTO / February 1, 2013 at 10:54 am
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Way to rage-bait by focussing only on the social media aspect and not the actual actions of grown, sentient adults that should be able to spot a bad idea when they see one. I hope all of these comments have garnered the ad revenue you hoped for.
me / February 1, 2013 at 12:48 pm
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Social media. *snort*
Jeff / February 1, 2013 at 05:06 pm
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By focusing on social media do you mean the cowardly twitter douchbags? Fuck em.
Piss Off BTO / February 1, 2013 at 09:50 pm
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Nah, fuck you.
me / February 1, 2013 at 10:03 pm
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Twitiot, Facespook, etc etc etc. Any of that shit that has brainwashed the masses into thinking any of it matters, made them narcissistic assholes beating each other over the head with their silly causes and opinions. "OUTRAGED!!!!" people bleating about their latest "OUTRAGE!!!!" is entertaining though.
Buck / February 2, 2013 at 07:29 am
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As a Cowboy-Canadian; I am offended. Where do I go to get paid for my outrage?
Marc / February 2, 2013 at 01:11 pm
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It's not so bad, there are far more pressing issues, such as mistreat meant of people, continued colonialism, WAR and its excuse just for money, etc. And this over-PC thing is mostly found in Anglo culture or former-UK colony places like Canada, as well as non-UK colony places like Northern Europe. It's just these places, they seriously need help in this regard, mainly their damn media and govts.
Marc / February 2, 2013 at 01:11 pm
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*mistreatment
Zach Swan / February 2, 2013 at 10:29 pm
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In the old days, the insane were sent to asylums. Now they become twitter activists. As a group, they've completely lost the plot.
Piss Off BTO / February 3, 2013 at 09:53 am
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Clearly none of you are able to see the hypocrisy of calling out twitter/facebook/social media users as ‪narcissistic‬ whiners, via a blog's comment board. Get you heads out of your asses, assholes.
me / February 3, 2013 at 11:53 am
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BLOGs are the same. The difference is I don't take it serious nor do I think it means anything being the internet. I laugh at those that do and more and more people are brainwashed into thinking it actually matters what they think to others every second. I only check the comments here to get a daily laugh at how serious people take themselves as it only reinforces what I said earlier.
Waaaaaaaaambulance / February 4, 2013 at 05:01 pm
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Quick, someone call the waaaaaaaaaaambulance for all the whingers. Toronto, city of prudes.
AJ replying to a comment from Peggy / February 4, 2013 at 05:03 pm
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Here's a stick, go sit on it and rotate.
brian / February 5, 2013 at 06:41 pm
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soooooooo hows that native "idle no more" movement going???? hahahah what a joke, you've done nothinggggggggggg
pathetic
brian replying to a comment from j-rock / February 5, 2013 at 06:47 pm
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please tell me how a white man painting his face black is any different then a black man painting his face white?
me / February 5, 2013 at 10:50 pm
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Natives. Work? Not likely.
Barbera Mcmindes / April 16, 2013 at 03:19 am
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We don't need to change the #world. We just need to change our ways. If we make better #choices ourselves we'll #inspire others to do the sam
SmeataUsesy / October 28, 2013 at 02:05 pm
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A clean fast is better than a dirty breakfast. Smocarbonna

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