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Queen Richmond Centre West inspiring or eyesore?

Posted by Robyn Urback / September 23, 2012

Queen Richmond Centre WestOne of Toronto's newest commercial developments happens to be slated for one of its busiest (and on weekends — drunkest) junctions, right at the corner of Peter and Richmond streets in the heart of the Entertainment District. The Queen Richmond Centre West (QRC) will be mixed-use office and retail space, rising a total of 17 storeys with a heritage structure facade at its base. Developed by Allied Properties REIT, QRC will, essentially, be a new proposed LEED Gold structure set atop an old warehouse. Awesome? Or a little bit too ROM Crystal take two? First, more on the structure:

WHAT'S INSIDE
Retail on the ground floor, fronting onto Queen and Peter streets. The ground floor will also host QRC's 70' high atrium with room for six high-speed elevators. Above will be mostly office space with floor plates totaling 23,604 square feet, designed to accommodate varied tenant layouts. Plus, a sky lobby for those hard-earned coffee breaks. Intended occupancy is the end of 2014.

NOTABLE FEATURES
Obviously, the big feature of this development is the repurposing of the four-storey warehouse base. Or, in marketing speak, "the juxtaposition of old and new." &Co Architects has designed the new structure to sit somewhat suspended over the old; a cantilever design that juts out slightly to one side. I believe it's the sort of thing that makes engineers squeal.

Queen Richmond Centre WestWHY HERE?
All those fresh new homeowners need to find a way to keep up with the mortgage, right? The area is certainly ripe with potential office workers, many of whom will be more than happy to cross the street from their new condo to their new workplace. And you pretty much can't go wrong with retail on Queen (and to a lesser extent, Peter). The heritage base certainly works with the facade of neighbouring structures, but I'm not so sure about the starkly modern addition.

Inspired, or eyesore?

Discussion

26 Comments

jay / September 23, 2012 at 11:44 am
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Condos.. what a perfect addition to a club district. Great for more noise complaints and more club shut downs. Adam Vaughan certainly is winning his war on fun. The people who move in should be forced to sign a clause that states that they can never make a noise complaint against the bars and clubs that were there long before they were. But alas, why be fair when you can vote pander instead?
Mike / September 23, 2012 at 11:49 am
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Finally some more office! Great news!!
stopitman replying to a comment from jay / September 23, 2012 at 12:03 pm
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pssst, jay - it's not more condos, it's offices and retail. And although I agree that some people complain too much about the noise from bars, restaurants, and clubs, the morons who manage to frequent the area seem to ruin their own party with the stupid things they do once they get outside.
Philip replying to a comment from jay / September 23, 2012 at 12:08 pm
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This is a commercial development....not condos....businesses not residences. Learn to read before you rant off like that.

Also, why do people keep hating on the ROM crystal? People complain when something is a bland, rectangular, glass building, but then when someone tries to do something different (what everyone seems to want), everyone complains that it looks too weird. Pathetic.
rye / September 23, 2012 at 12:43 pm
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Inspired! Amazing idea. Unfortunately, the building itself is profoundly UNinspired. Open letter to all building developers: We have PLENTY of steel and glass cubes in this city already, thanks. We're just now seeing a renaissance in architectural design; L tower, Dexia Building, 88 Scott all eschew boring and flat tradition in favour of something elegant and beautiful.

And I personally love the Crystal. I think it's spectacular and just what the ROM needed.
iSkyscraper / September 23, 2012 at 01:07 pm
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Terrific news. And no whining, please. Cities across North America would kill to get new office buildings in their core. Only a very select few have strong enough economies and downtowns to be able to do it. Torontonians should be grateful this kind of thing can still happen at all rather than in some greenfield out by an expressway interchange.
steve replying to a comment from jay / September 23, 2012 at 01:53 pm
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Jay you do understand that Adam Vaughn is a councilor? You do know what a Councillor is? He does not build condos, nor decides what get built were. He represent the people in the riding he was elected to. He does not decline, not issue liqueur licenses. He does field complaints and listens to those in his riding.
Not Queen? / September 23, 2012 at 02:45 pm
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Isn't this development on the corner of Richmond and Peter?

The article probably needs a few corrections because there is no "Retail on the ground floor, fronting onto Queen and Peter streets." Shouldn't it be "retail fronting Richmond and Peter?"

Also, the last paragraph says "And you pretty much can't go wrong with retail on Queen."

There will be no retail on Queen, because this building is not on Queen. (you also probably shouldn't start a sentence with the word "and")
Not Queen? / September 23, 2012 at 02:48 pm
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Nevermind above...this plan looks like it is actually going as far as Queen. This thing is huge.
Tim / September 23, 2012 at 04:37 pm
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I like it a lot. Taste, energy efficiency, and an avant guard design are what we need in the city.

That's to say, I also LOVE the ROM Crystal. Brilliant and visionary, I think it's passed the test of time. I know it opened in 2007, but I give a building about 3 years to see if the design looks tired.
Julia / September 23, 2012 at 05:06 pm
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Kind of a boring design, like someone already commented, there's so many glass boxes already in Toronto...
I do like the last picture though, older building sides incorporated in new buildings always looks so cool to me :-)
Mike / September 23, 2012 at 05:20 pm
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Great building, should be a good addition. This might reduce commercial rental prices for spaces around a pretty awesome area to work.

Probably less of a concern at this intersection, but take for example Liberty Village - lots of new office spaces and condos but very little infrastructure changes to support the growth. I worry that it takes 1/4 the time to plan, approve, build, and open a building than it does the complimentary upgrades to public transit, roads, parking, etc. etc.
McRib replying to a comment from jay / September 23, 2012 at 05:27 pm
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do you also review books without reading them? quite a talent.
lady replying to a comment from Philip / September 23, 2012 at 05:29 pm
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My complaint about the ROM Crystal is that, according to Libeskind's original concept, it was supposed to be crystal-like (i.e. clear and light). However only after the go-ahead was given were engineers brought on board, and they determined that potential snow loads would make it impossible to proceed as originally envisioned. So instead we ended up with a very grey and heavy-looking projection from a once stately and elegant building, which as we know are all too few in this city. And don't get me started on the lobby! What should be a grand and inspiring entrance to an important cultural institution is now a sad, cheap and unfinished-looking sorry-sack of a hello. In my opinion the compromise was kind of tragic.
ROM SHMOM / September 23, 2012 at 09:12 pm
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Philip replying to a comment from jay / SEPTEMBER 23, 2012 AT 12:08 PM
Also, why do people keep hating on the ROM crystal? People complain when something is a bland, rectangular, glass building, but then when someone tries to do something different (what everyone seems to want), everyone complains that it looks too weird. Pathetic.
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People hate on the ROM because
1) we were sold the following bill of goods: a cool all glass crystal-y pointy artsy facade
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2) we were delivered a hideous aluminum siding clad disaster with few windows because the shitheads in charge didn't do their homework about
a) having all that glass exposing priceless old things to sunlight
b) having all those crazy angles would have made it impossible to prevent the entire facade of pointy glass bits from completely fogging/frosting over all winter

The ball was dropped in such a mind blowing spectacular way on the ROM. It is and will always be an enormous piece of shit.
ROM SHMOM / September 23, 2012 at 09:13 pm
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Tim / SEPTEMBER 23, 2012 AT 04:37 PM
And I personally love the Crystal. I think it's spectacular and just what the ROM needed.
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Please, tell us where all this alleged crystal is on the facade.
JMC / September 23, 2012 at 11:10 pm
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What's with everyone always hating on glass boxes? Glass makes a lot of sense for an office building, and a box is t

This integrates historic buildings, has a pretty unique looking lobby, and will likely have some high quality glass and other materials.

I don't know why some people are such architecture snobs and want every building to be an art project by a starchitect. This building is perfect for its purpose and context.
JMC replying to a comment from JMC / September 23, 2012 at 11:12 pm
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Oops didn't finish my first paragraph. A box is a natural shape for a building, and while on occasion architects do something different like the Absolute condos in Mississauga, boxes are pretty prevalent. I wouldn't worry so much about the shape as I would about the quality of materials, how it meets the street, fits in with its surroundings, etc.
Gabe / September 23, 2012 at 11:41 pm
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Looks pretty great actually. Shows how you can keep the original facade and still use modern design and technology to adapt the building from what it was originally to what has been added on in addition to complement each other.
Schadenfreude / September 24, 2012 at 01:30 am
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some people, evidently, see trees ... the forest on the other hand is great ... the massing works well, it integrates well with Queen, the atrium is fantastic, it saves some of our industrial heritage in a unique way, it's office in area that has seen significant residential growth over the last 10 years, it's office downtown which is reasonably close to transit, if people want to complain that the top half of an office building is glass and rectangular and allows the developer to maximize floor space then there isn't a whole lot to complain about
J / September 24, 2012 at 09:32 am
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Why are we comparing this thing to the ROM? It's a building on stilts - compare it to OCAD.
mike in parkdale / September 24, 2012 at 09:40 am
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I think it could look very interesting at street level, which is really more important than anything else (IMO).

and let's be honest here - that corner used to the be beating heart of clubland, but everything has moved on. There's maybe one or two places left, but with places like Joker, Tonic, System, Fez etc all gone, there's really not a lot of nightlife right there.
Alex / September 24, 2012 at 09:50 am
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It looks good, and more offices downtown are a great thing. I like tall glass and steel structures, they look very sleek. So long as they're built well they turn out very nice.

I don't like the ROM crystal. It doesn't fit in with anything else in the area or the rest of the building; it looks like a strange growth on the building. Plus it looks even worse inside, with the angled walls they can't put anything interesting on them and they never had a giant mural or anything painted on it so you get a stark, bleak, empty entrance hall to the main museum in our city. It also ruined the dinosaur exhibit. Just generally a bad addition in all ways.
Philip replying to a comment from ROM SHMOM / September 24, 2012 at 12:26 pm
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Again, with rants like yours, I need to reiterate the fact that people need to get their facts right before they regurgitate crap like what you said. I may be wrong (and please correct me if I am) but I don't ever remember seeing any plan for a full glass facade, so don't say we were promised one thing an then got another.
I agree it is not the most amazing piece of architecture in the world, but again, its a step in the right direction to shaking up the bland, constant cube/rectangular prism building ideology that pervades in Toronto (to this day it upsets me that the Sapphire Tower wasn't built...)
Spike replying to a comment from jay / September 25, 2012 at 04:30 pm
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At least this will be a COMMERCIAL & BUSINESS place, and not yet another crappy condo. But, it doesn't mitigate the fact that a once vibrant club area is now dead.
JayC / September 25, 2012 at 11:55 pm
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Like the pretty picture or not, this building will never get built. Allied has been looking hard for a lead tenant to kick this development off for 3 years now without any luck while a half dozen other office buildings downtown have done so. There is no underground parking, a mens hostel located across the street and no corporate tenant wants their headquarters in clubland. Just a big waste of time and $$ for Allied REIT unit holders.

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