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Scarborough gets the shaft on public transit

Posted by Derek Flack / December 7, 2011

Scarborough RTIt wasn't supposed to be this way. That sentiment, I would imagine, has been expressed by more than a few Scarborough residents since attention has been turned toward the four to seven year gap that the area is facing without a rapid transit line. With the aging SRT line set to close after the Pan Am Games in 2015 and the Eglinton Crosstown LRT not set to arrive until 2019-2022 depending on who you talk to, those who rely on public transit east of Kennedy are going to be on the bus at some point or another.

It really wasn't supposed to be this way. In light of the need to eventually replace the SRT line, the Transit City plan would have seen the completion of the Sheppard LRT in advance of the SRT being decommissioned — such that far east enders would have had a rapid transit option to get to Don Mills Station and onto the subway. That might not have been ideal, but it's a dream compared to what transit-users are looking at today.

That plan was, however, scrapped by Mayor Rob Ford, who promised that he'd extend the Sheppard and Bloor-Danforth subway lines instead. As ridiculous as this might sound today, Ford campaigned on the promise (PDF) these extensions would create a closed loop at the Scarborough Town Centre by 2015. By 2015! At this point, the odds are pretty damn good that a single station won't have been built on the Sheppard extension by that time.

The problem that faces Scarborough exemplifies the difficulties this city has had in getting any major transit expansion completed for the last quater century, going right back to the Network 2011 proposal in 1985. At some point or another, well-laid plans have fallen victim to political power shifts and changing economic climates. One difference worth noting, however, is that in the past these changes have come at the hands of the provincial government, but this time it was our mayor who spearheaded the cancellation of a funded project in favour of a plan that now looks anything but a certainty, let alone an option in 2015.

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Discussion

42 Comments

Handclaps / December 7, 2011 at 03:46 pm
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WAY TO GO ROB FORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Richie / December 7, 2011 at 03:54 pm
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Remind me again, how many wards in Scarborough voted in Ford-friendly councillors? Ahh... yes.... This is what they used to call "reaping what you sow"
Berb / December 7, 2011 at 03:56 pm
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Thank god I don't live out there...
jd4353 / December 7, 2011 at 03:58 pm
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This pisses me off.

Not only that, but students going to UofT continually get shafted by the city and TTC.

What are the plans now? Not a word... Buses packed every day.

They came to the school looking for support for Pan AM and promised LRT and after they got the students support, they cancel it.
Kieren replying to a comment from jd4353 / December 7, 2011 at 04:09 pm
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Yes, because they all voted in an administration that cancelled it.

Yes, you do reap what you sow.
Darcy McGee replying to a comment from Berb / December 7, 2011 at 04:09 pm
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Trust me: we're pretty happy you don't live out here too.
Darcy McGee replying to a comment from Berb / December 7, 2011 at 04:10 pm
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Scarborough always gets screwed on public transit. SRT was supposed to run all the way out to Markham and Sheppard when it was built. The right of way exists and land to put station son did for a long time.

The political will? harder to find.
captain awesome replying to a comment from Darcy McGee / December 7, 2011 at 04:35 pm
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@Darcy McGee:

Actually building that SRT extension to Markham and Sheppard was actually part of the Transit city plan! They even had designs for where it and the Sheppard LRT intersected. Ford killed that one too.
Kieren replying to a comment from captain awesome / December 7, 2011 at 04:48 pm
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True, and the Malvern extension would've served as a duplicate line for high capacity.

You get what you vote for.
Shawn B / December 7, 2011 at 04:51 pm
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Half joking, but Scarborough should just be part of Durham region and be done with it. Living in East Scarborough, I feel more in tune with Durham residents than the rest of Toronto. We are really Toronto's bastard child.
Fee / December 7, 2011 at 06:20 pm
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RoFo the MoFo is just awesome!

handfed / December 7, 2011 at 06:23 pm
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aaaare ya sorry you voted for him, yet?
Shawn / December 7, 2011 at 06:35 pm
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Anyone want to take a guess at how old I'll have to be before I see a borderline-competent municipal & provincial government? 30? 40? 100? Never?

It pisses me off to see how much better the TTC could be if everyone's heads weren't surgically inserted up their asses.
K-Borg / December 7, 2011 at 07:00 pm
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While saying "I told you so" to all the mushy-headed Ford voters out there normally leaves me feeling smug, this instance is making me feeling sick.


K-Borg replying to a comment from K-Borg / December 7, 2011 at 07:01 pm
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*feel.

Dammit.
Bob But Not Doug / December 7, 2011 at 07:24 pm
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I know three people who voted for RoFo, and all three bitterly regret it. Have there been any approval rating polls done recently? He's gotta be down to investment bankers and the Sun editorial board by now.
DES_Toronto / December 7, 2011 at 07:33 pm
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I live in Scarborough, and I have to say Scarborough did bring this on itself. Too many people here voted for Ford, falling for stupid slogans like "Stop the gravy train" and "Respect for taxpayers" (code for lower taxes). If you don't want to pay for services, don't cry when services disappear. Grow up.
Antony / December 7, 2011 at 07:43 pm
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Also, don't forget "I'm voting for Rob Ford, he is married to a woman".

http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontovotes2010/2010/10/24/15812921.html

Sorry, Scarborough.
You Get What You Vote For / December 7, 2011 at 07:52 pm
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Enjoy waiting for the bus, Scarborough.
auditorydamage / December 7, 2011 at 08:40 pm
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When I first came to Toronto and learned of the SRT, I wondered why this curiously short, inflexible system had been foisted on a geographically large area that clearly needed more capacity to thrive.

Seeing the political whim of ideologues once again screw over Scarborough makes me wonder how much more the residents can tolerate. There was a plan, drawn up and funded and ready to go, and one person scrapped the whole thing because he has a hardon for subways and driving his gas guzzler without having to yield for anyone or anything else.

It's truly unfortunate that so many people believed promises of lower taxes and efficient services from a guy who spent years being a supposed budget hawk on council, yet he failed to point out any solid examples of "gravy" during the campaign, and so far his decisions seem only to be costing the city, and the taxpayers he fetishized, time and money.

What can be done? We're all stuck with this buffoon.
. / December 7, 2011 at 08:53 pm
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Thanks, Ford. And no, I'm not being sarcastic... this is the very reason that I voted for him.

We need to take away transit from the useless scum poor people who use it. I just love lolling at the poor people sitting on buses when I zoom pass them in my Mercedes.
Terry / December 7, 2011 at 09:27 pm
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Did Ford stop the gravy train? Most certainly not, but he wasted a great project for public transit (thus more cares). He didn't stop the gravy train, just the train.
W. K. Lis / December 7, 2011 at 10:19 pm
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How many MORE buses and DRIVERS will they need? Weren't they told to reduce? Isn't it more expensive to use buses and drivers?
Berb replying to a comment from You Get What You Vote For / December 7, 2011 at 11:06 pm
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Ford fisted scarborough, to the shoulders.. Respect for taxpayers!
closures / December 7, 2011 at 11:22 pm
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but ford did hooked up his toadies out in scarbourgh, look at this map of closures across the city. scarbourgh barely gets any closings. http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftorontoist.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F12%2F20111207budget2.jpg&;h=FAQHjo2bmAQGIy83fNm9b0zncD9SuNStA_bRF9mjzsNa3PA
Twashing replying to a comment from jd4353 / December 7, 2011 at 11:34 pm
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Don't get pissed off at the city. It's Rob Ford and before that, Mike Harris that kill hope, dreams, and real plans for a better future. It confounds me how people keep on voting for these right-wing nut bags. The pattern is so obvious.
FrancesMC / December 7, 2011 at 11:54 pm
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The Scarborough RT was built to satisfy the provincial government - they were trying to sell the technology. It was always a mistake, the cars are too small to start with, and the city should never have taken it. I guess we never learn.
Ae replying to a comment from Twashing / December 8, 2011 at 02:08 am
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People keep voting them in because they seem to forget about what happened in history.
McRib / December 8, 2011 at 03:41 am
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im lolling
ed / December 8, 2011 at 03:58 am
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WHOA!!!...did you feel that gust of wind just...i swear it resembled transit users rushing to a FORD (Found Over Ribs Dead) dealership
Lol / December 8, 2011 at 08:03 am
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The funny thing is in fords big us (the crust) vs them (the core) campaign he said too much was being spent on the core while the rest of the city got shafted and he would change that. The crust is still getting shafted and he is still spending money on the core the only difference is that he is spending all the money in the core to take things away
puma / December 8, 2011 at 08:35 am
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seriously, proof that driving cars melts your brains. people of scarborough, will you ever wake up and smell the coffee? your getting f'd by RF and everyone can see! just think, you would have had a significant part of the shepp east LRT built now, and it would be fully functional before the SRT came down. now look at you, your a disgrace! maybe theres something in the water out there. RF is stupid and you guys are even more gullible and easily manipulated than him. haha i laugh at you! but actually its more out of pity for your small smog polluted brains!
Vote NDP in the next federal/provincial election / December 8, 2011 at 08:59 am
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Congradulations Scarborough voters. Because of your impatience and lack of intelligence and research, you've voted in a mayor who has no knowledge of public transit let alone riding it.
west rouge replying to a comment from Shawn B / December 8, 2011 at 09:43 am
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And what, pay Durham's property tax rate? I think not.
mikeb / December 8, 2011 at 11:03 am
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Funny how the same newspapers, city councilors and critics didn't think St Clair residents were getting shafted when we were riding buses on St Clair for four years between 2006 and 2010.

People in Scarborough can and will suck it up. They are tough and the improvement is worth it.

The SRT was a rickety white elephant from the day the province forced the city to order it. They should have extended the subway from Kennedy as envisioned by locals in the first place. If they had, we would not even be having this discussion about the crappy technology of the SRT requiring retirement or a major overhaul.

The SRT is a shining example of what happens when politicians get their mitts on transit and screw it up for their own reasons. In the future I expect that putting the current SRT stations on the Eglinton Crosstown rather than on the Bloor-Danforth will be seen as another. Rob Ford's Sheppard will be another.
Jacob replying to a comment from FrancesMC / December 8, 2011 at 11:50 am
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The Scarborough RT was originally going to be plain old streetcars on the same right of way, which isn't that much better.
KA / December 8, 2011 at 12:26 pm
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How is it that our Scarbo RT is falling apart and Vancouver has an exact copy of the same trains and they are working just fine?
Mark Dowling replying to a comment from KA / December 8, 2011 at 12:58 pm
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KA - The RT (or ICTS) suits Vancouver a bit better because snow in particular doesn't cause breakdowns when the level of snow reaches the third rail. Vancouver also automated their trains fully which Toronto didn't and are more committed to the technology so haven't put off maintenance the way TTC did once it was clear the Mark 1 technology was not going to be the long term solution. This was basically a political decision - refit to LRT or refit to Mark 2 ICTS (which would have meant tunnel widening due to the bigger trains). Either way there was going to be a shut down. Personally I do not believe the Transit City alternative from Don Mills would have been ready by 2015 - maybe a little bit later but the work required to shoehorn LRTs into one platform at Don Mills having tunnelled under 404 first would not have been trivial.
CdnIvy replying to a comment from Handclaps / December 8, 2011 at 10:29 pm
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Scarborough not only stopped the GRAVY TRAIN, they stopped ANY TRAIN from coming to town. Way to go Ford Nation!
Chris / December 9, 2011 at 01:57 pm
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The LRT will stop service and be replaced by buses. We will see a fare increase. The rail land will grow over with weeds. Dreams of it being replaced will die with the Sheppard line.
DIDNTVOTEFORHIM / December 12, 2011 at 06:55 pm
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Rob Ford is doing exactly what he promised to do to stop the gravy train. He saw some gravy on the RT train floor so he stopped it for good.
This is his mentality for those who do not know him well enough.
Alex / December 13, 2011 at 01:34 pm
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But Rob Ford is doing exactly what he promised! He promised to lower taxes, and by lowering all the property values in Scarborough he's doing just that!

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