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The fate of Transit City

Posted by Derek Flack / December 1, 2010


The fate of Transit City has been the talk of Toronto today, as Rob Ford officially took up his post at the mayor's office. During a press scrum, the new mayor revealed that he had an early morning meeting with TTC GM Gary Webster in which he told him that the primarily LRT-based project was finished. "We just had a meeting about subways....I just wanted to make it quite clear that he understood that Transit City's over. The war on the car is over. All new subway expansion is going underground. That's pretty well it," Ford told reporters afterward.

But the question that's on many people's minds is whether or not Ford has the authority to single-handedly kill the project, which has already received some $130-million worth of funding from the province of Ontario.

He can't. But, he might be able to have the matter up for debate as early as the December 16 city council meeting. Although Ford has yet to meet with Dalton McGuinty, the premier did sound amenable to discussion of a new direction for Toronto transit, but also warned that "If there are changes to be proposed connected with the original plan -- and there are costs associated with that -- those will be visited upon the council and the people of Toronto."

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Joe / December 1, 2010 at 05:23 pm
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Toronto Council is going to get pretty interesting very quickly!
cultureshot / December 1, 2010 at 05:24 pm
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What an absolute meathead.
Jildren / December 1, 2010 at 05:30 pm
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This story reminds me of George W Bush standing in front of a mission accomplished banner in 2003. The war on the car is over? First of all there is no war on cars, secondly transit city is far from over. way to assert yourself but do a little research next time tubby. Its not that simple.
JoeCarter / December 1, 2010 at 05:42 pm
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Can't deal with this. BUT some things do need to change. We have one of the most expensive (passenger fare) public transit systems yet its completely useless in terms of speed and range. Also, access to the airport? How can we be a city that is taken seriously or be seen as a big player when people can't even get to the airport - ridiculous
jd3545 / December 1, 2010 at 05:46 pm
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hi·lar·i·ous

No mention of how much it's going to cost to break all contracts already signed. Ask anyone from Ottawa how happy they are with how much they paid doing this in turn to get absolutely nothing for their millions.

No word on the fact about how long it took Toronto to get to this point and now we're just about ready to build. Ford will be long gone before his plan ever gets anywhere near out of consultation or environmental assessments. Only to have whatever Mayor we have to once again insert his vision.

This city is seriously screwed.
Jildren replying to a comment from JoeCarter / December 1, 2010 at 05:58 pm
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to be clear, you can get to the airport by ttc. it just involves a bus from kipling
Alex / December 1, 2010 at 06:05 pm
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No war on cars? Are you delusional? Toronto is the speed bump capital of the world! Ever driven along St Clair? Council takes every opportunity to stick it to drivers in a city that is mostly designed for cars!

It's nice to finally see some sanity in city council!
RKMK / December 1, 2010 at 06:19 pm
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I'm sure Rob Ford and his supporters think he's being revolutionary. Little do they know that he's just carrying on a decades-old Torontonian tradition of endlessly derailing infrastructure development while the city falls apart.
Acacia replying to a comment from Jildren / December 1, 2010 at 06:22 pm
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Or a bus from Lawrence West or Eglinton Station.
Kieran replying to a comment from jim / December 1, 2010 at 06:25 pm
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Yeah F U to Miller and his 278 million dollar surplus.

We wan deficits damn it!
RobFord / December 1, 2010 at 06:42 pm
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I am going to reshape toronto in my liking and make you lefties cry for your mama's when i am done.
jakelundy / December 1, 2010 at 06:44 pm
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What a sad day. To those who question whether Ford has the authority to cancel TransitCity, I think it's not a matter of authority but advocacy. Without someone to keep the pressure, the province will be more than happy to take the billions committed to TransitCity and spend it on other priorities.

But to those that don't want to see another decade of inaction on transit, it's not too late! Call or email your councillor, Rob Ford, Karen Stintz, Metrolinx, your MPP, the premier.

Find your councillor and the Mayor here:
http://app.toronto.ca/im/council/councillors.jsp

And your MPP and Premier here:
http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/members/members_current.do?locale=en
daniel / December 1, 2010 at 07:29 pm
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But we were getting a subway. I thought Eglinton was getting a subway.
"subway(noun) - an electric railway operating below the surface of the ground (usually in a city)"
Wasn't that what we were getting???
o.k. / December 2, 2010 at 03:25 am
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I'm really not to worried. All Ford is doing is talking smack. At the end of the day, all Ford is is ONE VOTE ON COUNCIL. The Canadian Mayor has virtually no power, Ford can talk all he wants.. Queens Park will put him in his place if he does anything that will cost anybody outside of the GTA another dime. If he does convince council to gut transit city (highly unlikely) then he's exposing the city to hundreds of millions of dollars of fines and possible lawsuits. Ford isn't running the show here hes just a talking piece; his minions will calm him down after Xmas about this whole fiasco... It seems all he is trying to do is really his base.

In the few weeks hes been transitioning none of his proposals save the city any money!

Alex replying to a comment from jim / December 2, 2010 at 08:58 am
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I don't really understand the reasoning of people like you. What did you hate about Miller so much? Do you think he was wasteful? And, if so, why would you revel in the new mayor exacting revenge upon him by wasting significantly more out of sheer spite? How is this sensible?
Antony replying to a comment from daniel / December 2, 2010 at 09:27 am
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Daniel, yes, that's exactly the Transit City plan for Eglinton. A LRT underground.

The tunnel boring machines are already paid for - $54 million - and construction has started.

Were none of Ford's base alive in 1995? This political posturing bullshit is exactly what Harris did to kill the Sheppard and Eglinton lines that - ironically - would have delivered rail public transit to Etobicoke and Scarborough.

Rob Ford's papa was an MP in the Harris government. This is carrying on a family tradition of blocking improvement in GTA transit.
Ford Rocks replying to a comment from Kieran / December 2, 2010 at 09:31 am
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@Kieran,

"Yeah F U to Miller and his 278 million dollar surplus."

The whole "surplus" thing is a myth.

Miller blew through millions on vanity bullshit projects, and totally ignored the state of Toronto's roads! He wasted millions more on Transhit City, possibly the dumbest fing idea of all time. Yeah, that's what a city with a population fast approaching three million needs -- fruity little LRTs! SUBWAYS, DAMMIT!
Brandon / December 2, 2010 at 11:47 am
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Toronto is one of the few cities in the world where the roads are really narrow and we have street cars. This city wasn't meant to have as many cars in the city as it does, and the more people build condo's downtown, the more congestion that will happen. You suburb folks need to understand that maybe driving a car around your area is easier for everyone, it is DEFINITELY not easier in downtown TORONTO and it will NEVER be. The soon you understand that, the easier it will be for us who are less fortunate to be able to commute around, even in the downtown burbs.

To those who are concerned about money, get your head out of your ass and realize that shutting down projects like this only waste MORE MONEY. We are a very unique city in regards to transportation and to have some clueless suburbanite (like most people who think Rob Ford is heaven sent) destroy projects that we desperately need, I fear for the future of Toronto.
o.k. replying to a comment from Ford Rocks / December 2, 2010 at 11:48 am
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You are aware Toronto legally can't run a 'deficit' right?

hmmm

You have a lot of energy.. can I hand you a shovel and you can start digging your subway to nowhere?

Let this ford's loony pay for it. Ford's base is quacked beyond belief. If you want Subways signup and foot the bill.
Jo / December 2, 2010 at 11:55 am
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Here's a clear picture that speaks 3 Billion words that even a Ford Disciple should be able to understand:

http://thumbshift.wordpress.com/2010/12/02/ford-goes-down/


Jo
Jo / December 2, 2010 at 12:05 pm
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Here's a clear picture that speaks 3 Billion words that even a Ford Disciple should be able to understand:

http://thumbshift.wordpress.com/2010/12/02/ford-goes-down/


Jo
Rob-notford replying to a comment from Ford Rocks / December 2, 2010 at 12:45 pm
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While it's true our population is approaching 3 million, the thing about Toronto is that it's not particularly dense. The lrts will speed up transit and add capacity in the suburbs, all at a much lower cost than subway. Also, it wont affect traffic too much - half of the eglington lrt will be underground, and roads like sheppard wont lose traffic lanes.
Carla replying to a comment from Antony / December 2, 2010 at 12:58 pm
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The Eglinton LRT will run ungerground for a certain portion, (from about leslie to keele) and above ground from keele to the airport.
Ford wants the entire line to be underground which would not interfere with above ground arterial traffic on eglinton
It's a good idea, if it can be done in the same timely manner... and if everyone would stop arguing and let something actually be done about this city's transit problems.
Carla replying to a comment from Antony / December 2, 2010 at 01:00 pm
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The Eglinton LRT will run ungerground for a certain portion, (from about leslie to keele) and above ground from keele to the airport.
Ford wants the entire line to be underground which would not interfere with above ground arterial traffic on eglinton
It's a good idea, if it can be done in the same timely manner... and if everyone would stop arguing and let something actually be done about this city's transit problems.
Greg / December 2, 2010 at 01:28 pm
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There were a surprisingly large amount of votes for Rob Ford. Many on BlogTO will be surprised that politicians, yes politicians, will bend for their own survival.
bob / December 2, 2010 at 06:23 pm
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I link that this will only cost $2.7 billion. No argueing - $1.4bil already spent, $1.3bil in penalties.
bob / December 2, 2010 at 06:23 pm
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I meant like not link
Transity Cyclist / December 5, 2010 at 03:55 pm
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"All new subway expansion is going underground"

No shit Sherlock. Subways can only be built underground (or elevated).
Antony replying to a comment from Transity Cyclist / December 5, 2010 at 04:17 pm
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Subway is the wrong word. 'Heavy rail' is more accurate. Subways can be built at surface level (see Eglinton to Yorkdale) but because they have 600V power at track level and can't take tight corners, they require overpasses and lots of clear space to be at surface level. It's basically like running a GO train track - you can do it at surface level, just not without flattening and fencing everything around it.

Light Rail (Transit City LRTs) can switch between tunnels and surface right-of-ways safely and can therefore be built cheaper.

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