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A ride on the new TTC Rocket subway train

Posted by Derek Flack / May 26, 2011

TTC Rocket Subway TrainThe TTC's new Toronto Rocket subway trains were in action on the Yonge-University-Spadina line this morning, and members of the media got a chance to take a ride from Davisville to Union and back again. Since we've already written a bit about these snazzy new trains, I was most interested in checking out how the Rocket would get around on the tracks.

Compared to a T1 train, one of the first things that you notice is the different noise the Toronto Rockets make. Although not quieter per se, as the train gets up to speed, the hum it makes is a bit lower and smoother. When asked the admittedly childlike question as to whether or not the Rockets go faster than their predecessors, TTC spokesperson Brad Ross smiles and tells me that "trains can only go so fast in the tunnels." Still, at an 88 Kp/h max speed, it won't even get a chance to test its mettle while in service (trains usually top out at 65 Kp/h between Lawrence and York Mills).

TTC Rocket Subway TrainReally what these trains are all about is increased capacity, accessibility and safety. Of the many differences between the older T1 trains (introduced in 1995) and the Toronto Rockets, the newer models will have an eight to 10 per cent greater capacity. Most of that percentage comes from the increased floor space accommodated by the open gangways that link each of the six cars that compose the train (which I'm told is a design unique for North American subways at present) . It's tough to put a hard number on this, but the general consensus is that T1's held about 1100 passengers at capacity, so the Rockets will probably get 100-120 extra people on board.

TTC Rocket Subway TrainWhen you get on one of these things, you'll swear that they must be wider than the old trains, but that obviously isn't the case (how would they fit within the existing platform and tunnel infrastructure?). Part of this illusion is created by the lack of stanchions to hold onto in the middle of the train. These have been replaced with ground-based guide strips designed to assist sight-restricted passengers. While this is admirable from an accessibility standpoint, it'll be interesting to see what happens when the train abruptly stops or starts when it's filled with passengers (and not a handful of media types). There are additional handles on the ceiling of the train, but I suspect that these Rockets might get a little smellier on hot days (with everyone's arms in the air), despite their new air conditioning units.

TTC Rocket Subway TrainNevertheless, the trains are obviously more spacious, and it makes sense that they'll run on the YUS line, which is the most travelled in the system (during the morning rush, roughly 30,000 passengers go through Bloor Station an hour). When the TTC implements a new computerized signaling system on the line, the trains will also be able to run closer together, which will ease crowding.

At present, there are only a few of the Toronto Rockets on TTC property, but the contract with Bombardier now calls for a total of 70 to enter the system between now and 2013 at an approximate cost of a billion bucks. The Rockets are due to be put into regular service in a few weeks. In the meantime, here's some more photos and a rundown of some of the other features.


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Check out the new station announcements and how the open gangway handles bumpy track.

  • There are 24 closed-circuit cameras (four per car) mounted on the ceiling of each train (these aren't constantly monitored, but will be in the event that a passenger activates one of the 36 alarm intercoms
  • Electronic route maps indicate the direction in which the train is travelling and the next station where it'll arrive
  • The interior surfaces of the train are coated with Bombardier's Antimicrobial Surface Treatment Program, which reduces the spread of the flu and other viruses
  • There are 18 video screens (three per car), which are used to provide information on the use of the emergency intercom, the location of alarm devices, and entry and exit practices
  • Each car has two areas at either end where seats fold down to accommodate for wheelchairs, scooters and other mobility devices (bicycles and strollers could also work here). These areas are indicated on the exterior of the train with a blue light
  • The doorways in the new car are much wider, which should make boarding and exiting much more efficient
  • There are evacuation ramps and the front and rear of the train

Photos by Tom Ryaboi



keven / May 26, 2011 at 01:39 pm
Is this why it took me 2:45 minutes to get from Finch to Queen?
Al / May 26, 2011 at 02:07 pm
I wish they would get rid of the plexiglass on the entranceways. It only encourages people to lean against them and block the doorways wehn people try to get on or off. If people have to file out and in single-file, that slows down the whole system.
Greg / May 26, 2011 at 02:09 pm
Anyone else think these things suck? It's going to be a shit-show when they're pack without the centre polls.
Amanda / May 26, 2011 at 02:09 pm
Oooooh, shiny. Hope people keep their stupid sharpie markers in their backpacks and don't start mucking the new trains up with graffiti. Also? Keep your feet off the seats! Thank you. Happy travels.
Welshgrrl / May 26, 2011 at 02:11 pm
Harder to get away from screaming children/drunks/lunatics but otherwise I like it
pop / May 26, 2011 at 02:12 pm
Too bad kids aren't going to get to press their faces up on the glass at the front of the train and see outside.
Halverson, Bob / May 26, 2011 at 02:21 pm
Hey Paul, betcha still can't get to work on time even with the new Rockets on the line.
Brandon replying to a comment from Greg / May 26, 2011 at 02:30 pm
Only the older H-series trains have the vertical poles in the middle of the cars. All the newer T-series ones only have the overhead poles, and those are pretty sufficient for rush hour on the Yonge line.
Sean / May 26, 2011 at 02:34 pm
Somebody needs to give Davisville Station a scrub down.
cultureshot / May 26, 2011 at 02:39 pm
The new trains look great. I for one think we're better off without the centre-mounted vertical poles. People always lean on them and block movement within the train. Now that they have swing-down handles, even short people can get a hold wherever they are.
mark / May 26, 2011 at 02:39 pm
Geez. What a waste of money. Put the money into increasing and lengthening service times instead.
It'll be mere weeks before these things look like crap anyways.
RBeezy / May 26, 2011 at 02:40 pm
Snark. Snark. Snark. Grumble. Grumble. Grumble.

Toronto really IS the Screwface Capital.

Yay to the TTC for finally making this a reality.
gigi / May 26, 2011 at 02:42 pm
That's what I'm talking about. That is how a modern day subway should look like. With all the productive and environmental technologies to allow Torontonians to move efficiently and safely around the city. I am especially happy about the electrical lighting system on the maps on each train.
All in all, I'm happy about what I'm seeing.
Kieren / May 26, 2011 at 02:46 pm
whine whine whine ooo look at me took me so long to get to work

move closer to where you work, idiot
Jeremy / May 26, 2011 at 02:52 pm
"the open gangways that link each of the six cars that compose the train (which I'm told is a design unique to North American subways)"

Pretty sure that's not the case. While my memory isn't 100%, I'm pretty sure I've been on several open ones in Europe. A quick bit of youtubing seems to confirm this.
Dawg / May 26, 2011 at 02:57 pm
No centre poles? whatttt? Have the people who designed this train ever actually ridden a train in Toronto? People are going to flailing all around... hilarious. I smell a lawsuit.
Rexdale replying to a comment from Dawg / May 26, 2011 at 03:02 pm
Is this a joke?? They have rails up top.. same trains as in rome.. They work fine
Ella replying to a comment from Jeremy / May 26, 2011 at 03:03 pm
I had to reread that sentence a couple times. I think the writer means this is the only North American city with these types of trains not that they only exist in North America. There are definitely trains like this in Europe and I think they're great.
Taylor replying to a comment from Jeremy / May 26, 2011 at 03:05 pm
Your memory has nothing to do with it. Europe is different from North America, you know.
GRA / May 26, 2011 at 03:05 pm
Love the new trains. Now if they could only pay as much care to maintaining the signals on the Yonge line between Davisville and Bloor - 3 for 3 this week with signal problems on the morning commute.
TorontosArtistCommunity replying to a comment from Amanda / May 26, 2011 at 03:07 pm
It's not graffiti, it's art, and how dare you question my RIGHT to beautify these trains with my Sharpie.
Derek / May 26, 2011 at 03:09 pm
- No centre poles?! I suspect this will not work out well.
- Hope the deafening noise at station stops will be gone.
- Hope announcements of next station will include which side of doors will open, e.g. "The next station is Bay. Doors will open on the left." (This should be implemented in current trains, too.)
Myron replying to a comment from mark / May 26, 2011 at 03:09 pm
The budgets for operations and for infrastructure are funded differently - typically, the province and feds pony up for equipment (and useless expansion - see Vaughan) while the city pays for operations. In other words, even without these new trains, there wouldn't be money for more service. More to the point, some of the older trains that these are replacing are 30 years old. Unless you'd rather have old vehicles that will break down and cause worse service.
Jeremy replying to a comment from Taylor / May 26, 2011 at 03:09 pm
Oh, I guess I misunderstood what Derek was saying. I read that open gangways were a unique feature of North American subways, rather than Toronto's being unique within North America.
Jack Wagon replying to a comment from Kieren / May 26, 2011 at 03:09 pm
WAH HA HA HA HA! Kieren, you just made my day. HA HA HA!
Karl Richter / May 26, 2011 at 03:10 pm
"Most of that percentage comes from the increased floor space accommodated by the open gangways that link each of the six cars that compose the train (which I'm told is a design unique to North American subways)" Not true.

I was in Delhi in India in 2007 and they've had features exactly like open gangways for a while.

Myron replying to a comment from Derek / May 26, 2011 at 03:11 pm
It amazes me that people can't figure out which side the doors will open on. So you stand on wrong side. Big deal. Besides - "left" is relative, depending which direction you are facing.
qwerty replying to a comment from Rexdale / May 26, 2011 at 03:14 pm
When in as the Romans do.
Derek replying to a comment from Ella / May 26, 2011 at 03:17 pm
Yes, that sentence was meant to convey that the Toronto Rockets are the only trains to use such a system in NA (hence, there will be examples from Europe and elsewhere with open gangways). I've now altered the wording slightly for clarity.
Gc / May 26, 2011 at 03:22 pm
I'm gonna jump on the "stop complaining" bandwagon. Some people need to realize that we already have it pretty good and these trains are gonna make that even better. For example, even the newest trains on the London Underground don't even have A/C, and I'm not sure how many subways in Europe let you go all the way from one end to the other... I only can think of a couple and I think that only a few cars were connected. I might be wrong though. Also, it might be just me but the T1 trains don't actually seem that old yet, considering they've been around for like 15 years. They're still shiny, the interior looks pretty good and there's minimal grafitti. They also don't have the centre poles (check the wikipedia page linked in the article if you're unsure like I was) and, emergency stops aside, it's usually ok when the train is crowded.

The only complaint I have is that the old trains smell horrible when you first get on them, especially when the A/C is on. They also look kinda drab. So these new ones will be a nice addition, and they're obviously not a waste of money because we can only use 30 year old trains for so long anyway.
the lemur replying to a comment from Myron / May 26, 2011 at 03:23 pm
The Washington Metro announces which side the doors will open on. Left and right are in relation to the forward direction of the train, as with other vehicles.

Standing on the wrong side <i>is</i> a big deal at busy times if you are standing near the wrong door because of the inflow of people through the opposite door.
Matt replying to a comment from Myron / May 26, 2011 at 03:24 pm
It would be left or right relative to the direction the train is heading.
blarg / May 26, 2011 at 03:32 pm
Do the pole complainers even ride the TTC? Our current subway cars don't have center poles either! At least these ones have handles that swing down.

"Geez. What a waste of money. Put the money into increasing and lengthening service times instead.
It'll be mere weeks before these things look like crap anyways."

Yeah who cares about having something clean for once. Lets all just live like dirty peasants for ever and ever and ever...
Sean replying to a comment from Derek / May 26, 2011 at 03:33 pm
'"The next station is Bay. Doors will open on the left." (This should be implemented in current trains, too.)"'

Is that really necessary?

You do not have to be a Rhodes Scholar to figure out which doors are going to open once you arrive at a station.

Moreover, you do not need to be The Flash to move to the opposite doors, even during rush hour, in order to get off in time. Many times I have been stuck at the wrong doors on packed trains, yet I managed to get off in time.
Kieren replying to a comment from Sean / May 26, 2011 at 03:37 pm
However, if the system said the doors open on the left, but they actually do on the right, that, would show us who the real Rhodes Scholars are.
jenn replying to a comment from Greg / May 26, 2011 at 03:42 pm
LOL yea, now everyone has to reach for the hand rails above which means come summer time every will get a face full of arm pits.
jenn replying to a comment from Sean / May 26, 2011 at 03:43 pm
if you're a blind person or handi capped im sure this would help though
Sean / May 26, 2011 at 03:46 pm
Seriously, if you cannot figure out which doors are going to open on the TTC without someone telling you, you should not be riding the TTC. You should be riding a small yellow school bus.
Papal replying to a comment from Greg / May 26, 2011 at 03:47 pm
I think they look great, all with A/C, larger capacity, greater frequency etc.

There's things to hang onto above everyone's head. It's a shit shwo now when it's crowded, but that ahs nothign to do with the trains and everythign to do with people being dumb.
Sean replying to a comment from jenn / May 26, 2011 at 03:49 pm
Forget the fact that blind people have heightened hearing for a second. The next time you take a train close your eyes. I guarantee you will be able to tell which doors are opening without the use of your eyes.

As for handicap people, when is the last time you saw anyone not make way for a handicap person so they could get off the train?

Moreover, most handicap do not even use the train. They use things like Wheel-Trans.
Derek / May 26, 2011 at 03:50 pm
Even my comments get deleted once in a while... I wanted to note that the new information screens (see third last photo) do indicate which side to exit the vehicle, though somewhat inauspiciously they weren't working today.
JoeParez / May 26, 2011 at 03:53 pm
Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with all the people asking why you need to be told what side the doors open on. C'mon really? This is where I question how often people say they use the subway. I can tell you right now.. off the top of my head.. going southbound from Yorkdale..

Lawerence West -- LEFT (centre platform)
Glencairn -- LEFT (centre platform)
Eglinton West -- RIGHT
St. Clair West -- RIGHT
Dupont -- RIGHT
Spadina -- RIGHT
St. George -- LEFT (centre platform)
Museum -- LEFT (centre platform)
Queens Park -- LEFT (centre platform)
St. Patrick -- LEFT (centre platform)
Osgoode -- LEFT (centre platform)
St. Andrew -- LEFT (centre platform)
Union -- LEFT (centre platform)

I usually take the TTC once or twice a month. And please, don't bring up tourists, it's a cop out in an argument, sure it's be nice for them.. but these trains are mostly for Torontonians.
Bubba / May 26, 2011 at 03:58 pm
that's a sweet ride, aw yeah.
Swarley / May 26, 2011 at 04:02 pm
Amazed at the number of people complaining about the lack of centre poles... obviously none of them have never taken the Yonge line, cause the T1's don't have centre poles.
Derek / May 26, 2011 at 04:08 pm
Announcing which side of doors will open in advance will give people more time to move to the correct doors. Especially in packed trains, this reduces incidences of people pushing away others to get on or off the train.

It just makes a more pleasant ride for all. What's the cost? Next to nothing.
the lemur replying to a comment from Sean / May 26, 2011 at 04:08 pm
It would be nice for them to know before they hear the doors actually opening, just as it would be useful for others to know which doors will be opening before the train is in the station, especially if they have difficulty getting around, no matter how many people move out of the way once the train doors have opened. It's not just for tourists and other cities do this that get fewer visitors than we do.
sean / May 26, 2011 at 04:10 pm
people seem to be talking a lot about announcements regarding which doors open, from the mock-ups of this train that were at the CNE a few years back, the LED screen is supposed state the next station AND have arrows pointing to which side the doors will open.

I just hope they change the font on the LED train, it isn't very legible.
sean / May 26, 2011 at 04:11 pm
*LED Train is supposed to read LED sign, my bad.
Myron / May 26, 2011 at 04:18 pm
While we're at it, let's add announcements that tell people when to sit down, and when to stand up. What public transit needs is definitely more chatter.

Fact is, plenty of people, who can clearly see through the WINDOWS where the platform is, look absolutely shocked when the doors in front of them don't open. Seriously, how do you people even get dressed in the morning without a voiceover giving you instructions? If this is a serious complaint for you, maybe you'd be better served on Wheel Trans instead.
Derek replying to a comment from Sean / May 26, 2011 at 04:19 pm
Sean, it's not that people cannot figure out which doors are going to open. It's how much time in advance you know that makes the difference.

Without an announcement, people will know as the train enters the station. If you are on the wrong side of a packed train, you will need to fight your way to the other side within a few short seconds. Unpleasant for you. Unpleasant for others in your way.

An advanced announcement costs next to nothing. Wouldn't bother people who can memorize where all the stations' platforms are. Wouldn't bother people who don't need it.
Sigh / May 26, 2011 at 04:21 pm
"The old trains suck! The ttc neeeds new trains!"
*New trains arrive*
"What was wrong with the old trains?"
Papal replying to a comment from Derek / May 26, 2011 at 04:28 pm
Derek, you're fighting a losing argument man. The fact is it takes half a second to get from one side tot he other, people should already knwo which side it's opening on and it's obvious once you pull into the station a little bit. It's really not difficult. Also, someone pointed out that left and right is relative to which way you're facing on the train. I guess you could say NESW, but even that would confuse some people, the same people that have troubel with the whole train door issue in the first place.
will / May 26, 2011 at 04:43 pm
Most people riding during rush hour are getting off at the same stop every day (where they work, or live). The platform is on the same side every day, is it really that tough to remember?

For people questioning the value of buying new trains, these are replacing trains built in the 70s and 80s (the ones on Bloor-Danforth), and as the article says they increase the capacity of the Yonge line by 10% immediately, and will allow for more trains on the line once the signaling upgrades are complete.
rek / May 26, 2011 at 04:54 pm
The subway trains in Seoul announce which doors will open at the next stop, visually and audibly, in Korean and English. And they have for over 5 years.

Anyone here saying we don't need this feature has never been on the subway in rush hour. We seriously do.
Diana / May 26, 2011 at 04:58 pm
During the height of rush hour when you barely have enough manoeuvre room to scratch your back let alone travel from one door to the other, does it really matter if the system announces which door will open? You will still need to wait until people get off or move to the side of the entrance before you can move.

I've heard quite a few heated words being hurled at over-eager passengers trying to inch their way to the doors before they open. When there are people flanking either side of you and more people pressed against your back, there is no where to move.
11-year-old kid / May 26, 2011 at 05:15 pm
"Race you to the other end of the train!"
Fin / May 26, 2011 at 05:18 pm
I'm surprised at the number of small-minded people here arguing AGAINST announcing what side the doors are opening on.

The reason this is common on major transit systems is that big international cities have lots of visitors and tourists who aren't familiar with the subway. Hence door-opening announcements, as well as well-designed signs and maps.

The announcements also help locals in big cities – like Toronto – when they're riding the subway to a neighbourhood they're not familiar with.

And announcing the door side also costs nothing!

So why are people arguing against it here – to highlight that they personally don't need the announcement? I don't think that's the point.
editor / May 26, 2011 at 05:26 pm
"30,000 passengers go through Bloor Station and hour"

Check your grammer.
Papal / May 26, 2011 at 05:42 pm
Seriously? Seriously. We really don't need the announcement, so they have it in Soeul, wowzers. It really doesn't matter to me either way, I'm just astounded at the number of people that think it's necessary. Maybe there should be more announcements like "once you leave the train, you'll want to walk to your left, you may encounter stairs, at this point you will want to lift your legs higher to get to each step, one leg at a time now, let's not be silly. The outside is the place that is bright, unless it's night time, then it will be the darker place, outside you may encounter homeless people or drunken suburbanites puking in the gutter, try to ignore them. Thank you for riding the TTC."
W-hat replying to a comment from editor / May 26, 2011 at 05:43 pm
I love it when retards make fun of people on the internet for something and then make a similar mistake
Thanks for the laugh.
Papal replying to a comment from editor / May 26, 2011 at 05:44 pm
BTW, editor, it's spelled "grammar".
cc replying to a comment from Jeremy / May 26, 2011 at 05:47 pm
Well, they did expressively say that it's unique in North America.

This is old news in Asia. These trains existed over 6 years ago in HK. I would imagine it would be the same in Europe.

Vi replying to a comment from editor / May 26, 2011 at 05:50 pm
GrammAr, not grammEr, my dear editor. :P
Frank replying to a comment from editor / May 26, 2011 at 05:53 pm
Pointing out typos is an occupation for those lacking self confidence.
Sean replying to a comment from the lemur / May 26, 2011 at 05:58 pm
If you have difficulty getting around you will have more than enough time to move to the correct doors in time.

What's that?

You walk slower than a turtle?

If that is the case, you probably do not ride trains in the first place because you are not quick enough to board a train before the doors close.
Sean replying to a comment from rek / May 26, 2011 at 06:01 pm
Well, in Nazi Germany they thought it was a good idea to kill Jewish people. I guess since another country did it Toronto MUST follow.
TG / May 26, 2011 at 06:01 pm
They could just colour different strips above the left-hand/ right-hand doors, then when they arrive at the station, announce "The next station is Bay. Blue doors."
I think people would hear "left" and instinctively go left regardless of the direction they are facing.
Sean replying to a comment from Fin / May 26, 2011 at 06:04 pm
Sorry for thinking tourists have functioning brains.
Andreas Jonsson / May 26, 2011 at 07:29 pm
Oh great, they look just like the old trains, only with less seats! Way to go to to make commuting more attractive!? Yes we want to be packed up closely, just like cattle. I'm sure a lot of car commuters will leave their car standing to pack up in one of these beauties, NOT! How about spending the money on expanding services instead?
Matt replying to a comment from Andreas Jonsson / May 26, 2011 at 07:35 pm
Andreas Jonsson = moron
Tanya O replying to a comment from Sean / May 26, 2011 at 07:51 pm

Did you really just compare public transit development to Nazi Germany?

Fall back son.

Nick replying to a comment from Sean / May 26, 2011 at 07:58 pm
Good grief, Sean. Get a grip. Please don't liken this to Nazi Germany. Exit side announcements are standard operating procedure in most subways worldwide. And many passengers, myself sometimes included, travel in a half-daze, so giving people a heads up before the train enters the station is actually useful.
lemonshark / May 26, 2011 at 08:12 pm
I've been on many many metros in the last year, and many more to come. The rocket has AC, which is a nice touch if you've been in the sweltering depths of the tiny tube trains in londons. If "different" trains bothers you, please never ride the network in the netherlands. It'll blow your puny mind.

if the lack of center poles and the appearance of gangways is going to upset some people SO much, I wager they haven't the tackle to cope with life as a whole, never mind transit. Do us a favor and don't ever go anywhere.

Somehow they manage to cope. Its not the end of the universe. And hey, more room. Since most of the crush seems to be downtown where its SRO anyway, you with the longer commutes will still have seats, i'm sure.

And i'm short, but y'know, I manage to cope.

The TTC isn't the worst thing in the world. People sure do love to whine and moan.
the lemur replying to a comment from Sean / May 26, 2011 at 08:21 pm
In a really packed train people with normal mobility often almost don't get to the right side in time regardless, if they can't get near that door to begin with. Nothing to do with being slow.
the lemur replying to a comment from Sean / May 26, 2011 at 08:23 pm
They probably did have that left/right side of the train thing sorted out, though.
ROB / May 26, 2011 at 08:31 pm
Seen this train up close. Very sleek. Now,the TTC should concentrate on lessening wait times and reducing delays. I can't believe how long it took me to get from Finch to Dundas yesterday.
Sean replying to a comment from Tanya O / May 26, 2011 at 09:09 pm
It's called over exaggeration to emphasize a point.

Just because one place does something a certain way it does not mean that we should follow suit.
Sean replying to a comment from Nick / May 26, 2011 at 09:10 pm
Every major city does that?

The last time I was in London, England they did not do that and, oddly enough, I was able to suss out which door I was supposed to exit from.
Sean replying to a comment from the lemur / May 26, 2011 at 09:12 pm
You must be sleeping on trains or something because I frequently get caught on the wrong side during rush hour due to packed trains yet I have never missed getting off at my stop.

What's that? What about handicap people?

Well, no handicap person with a functioning brain would ever take the TTC during rush hour. That's like me (a black male) going to a place that is supposed to have a clan rally. Yeah, I should be able to go wherever I want but, I have a brain and realize that some places are not ideal.
Sean replying to a comment from Nick / May 26, 2011 at 09:16 pm
Sorry, I missed the part where you wrote "most cities" and not every major city. Nonetheless, my point remains the same. It's time some of you people started using your brains.

If you cannot even figure out which side to get off without an announcement, why do you even deserve to be able to vote?
the lemur replying to a comment from Sean / May 26, 2011 at 09:38 pm
I didn't say anything about missing stops. People who ride the TTC regularly will make sure they get near the correct door to exit no matter what, as a matter of routine. Surprised you and your brain haven't figured that out yet.
Sean replying to a comment from the lemur / May 26, 2011 at 09:49 pm
You did not say anything about missing stops?

Just what exactly is, "In a really packed train people with normal mobility often almost don't get to the right side in time regardless", supposed to mean?

Does that not suggest that some people miss stops?

If it does not, then why is there a need to notify people which doors are going to open?

Notifying people through announcements is only necessary for div kids or the truly lazy (and it will not even matter for the lazy since they are too busy excelling at being lazy).
Derek replying to a comment from Sean / May 26, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Sean, you don't find door announcements to be of value, that's fine. But it's also clear that some people do. So, what do you do?

You could say, since it costs nothing and some people like it and it doesn't harm me, let it be done. If it helps visitors to our cities have a more pleasant time, why not.

Or you could say, since I don't need it, I don't want others to have it either, even if it costs nothing to me.
AG / May 26, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Sean, give it a rest. As others have said, there's no harm in it and it will benefit those who need it. Maybe you get along fine without it but others might find it useful and so it's worth trying. You're fighting a losing battle here..
Sean replying to a comment from Derek / May 26, 2011 at 10:15 pm
I never said that other should not have it because I do not need it.

I just stated that you are an absolute muppet if you need this.

By the way, while we are at it, why don't we have the city gave us all wake up calls and tell us which side of the street to walk on since we clearly lack the mental faculties to be able to do that on our own.

Sorry for expecting a basic level of intelligence from the citizens of this fine city.
Niloufar replying to a comment from mark / May 26, 2011 at 10:17 pm
I agree with Mark. They should've spent the money on improving their services -ie. making them a reliable mode of transport.

Who cares how the train looks like when they're never on time or when we're trapped in the tunnel every morning for 10 minutes, or when there's an announcement on trains being delayed every day.

the lemur replying to a comment from Sean / May 26, 2011 at 10:21 pm
Did you notice I said '<i>almost</i> don't get to the right side'? Not the same as actually missing a stop.

What really needs to happen is for people to stay away from the doors (not going to happen). Failing that, knowing which door will open means you can get ready before the station is even in sight.

Same as getting on near one end of the train or the other to be near a particular exit at your stop. As lazy and distracted as I am, I can manage that.

In any case, there won't be announcements, just LED arrows pointing to the side, which you can safely ignore.
Sean replying to a comment from AG / May 26, 2011 at 10:28 pm
I would love to give it a rest because, initially I found the suggestion absolutely hilarious.

The more responses I read however, the more I realized this whole sentiment speaks to problems with Toronto as a whole.

Every single day on this site I read about people complaining about Rob Ford. If people in this city struggle with something as simple as determining which side of the train to get off, how can they possibly have the energy to vote or actually learn about issues during an election?

People want this city to be better. Well, making this city better starts with each one of us and, if you are struggling with an issue like this, I truly worry about the future of Toronto.
JoeParez / May 26, 2011 at 11:06 pm
Sean, you should be mayor. :)
Mika / May 26, 2011 at 11:38 pm
Cooool. Can’t wait to try one of these new trains out!
Are there less seats though? Hmmm..
butterdave / May 27, 2011 at 12:07 am
now we can all watch a pop can roll the entire length of the train!
john / May 27, 2011 at 12:40 am
this should end the debate:
David L / May 27, 2011 at 12:41 am
Will someone please think of our Bloor-Danforth line? We're stuck with all the old and crappy subways, and it seems they don't get maintained in the same standard as the YUS line. You'd be lucky if you can spot a system map on the Bloor-Danforth subway car -- yet this is supposed to be TTC's main connection to the Pearson airport.
Becky / May 27, 2011 at 08:52 am
I think some people are missing some key points about this new train...

To those whining about how the money should have gone to increasing service: the new trains hold more people and can run more often, meaning a shorter wait for the next train and it being more likely you'll fit in the one that comes. How is that *not* increasing service?

To those complaining that the YUS line gets all the good stuff and we on the BD line are left to wallow... they're taking the current "better than ours" trains off of the YUS line and putting them on the BD line when they introduce the new trains. It makes sense, as the YUS line has more people using it. I doubt very much that the TTC will stick us with those crappy orange-seat trains and throw the good ones on the YUS line out.

For those complaining about the lack of poles... am I the only one who sees them attached to the seats? Perhaps we could have a new rule of thumb for the TTC (to add to "walk left, stand right") and it could be "tall people down the middle, short people on the sides".

As for announcing the side of the train the platform will be on... well, it's been said that the signs actually do this, so it seems like a non-issue.

I'm not surprised that people want this, though... it's my experience when taking the subway that hardly anyone is paying attention to anything.

When I first moved to Toronto I had no trouble figuring out which side the platform would be on. When it was busy, I watched to see where other people were headed. When it wasn't busy, I stood in the middle and waited. Riding the train near the front also gives you extra time. This isn't rocket science...

The only thing I have against adding this information to the announcements is that it likely won't be free as people seem to be assuming, and it only encourages people to continue to navigate this city in a daze, which in my opinion is a detriment.

the lemur replying to a comment from john / May 27, 2011 at 09:00 am
Oh, good. Now we can all focus on the important issues and Sean can start dealing with his fear of food trucks.
BequiaT / May 27, 2011 at 09:26 am
As a vertically challenged woman who stretches to a full height of 4'-10" tall, the lack of centre stancions are going to make travelling at rush hour dangerous. There is no possible way that the overhead handles or bars will be accessible to those of us who stare into the belly buttons of least I won't have to get an eyefull of stinky armpits!!
Liam Collins replying to a comment from Jeremy / May 27, 2011 at 09:35 am
ARE YOU STUPID, North America and Europe are two different continents, that is why they said it is unique to North America, not the world. PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU RESPOND!
Craig / May 27, 2011 at 09:51 am
I've ridden the TTC almost every day for the past 15 years, and I am looking forward to the new trains. It will be nice to have extra room to stand. With respect to the door opening announcements, the Chicago transit system did it when I was visiting, it was nice to know which side the door opened on so you could exit quickly.

The centre poles are more of a pain in the ass than anything else, they block movement and people frequently lean on them, preventing others form holding on.
Jamal replying to a comment from David L / May 27, 2011 at 11:16 am
The TTC clearly doesn't care about the darkies from Kipling or Scarborough on the Bloor Danforth line...that's why we still have the old ass trains without A/C while the YUS line is going to be 2 generations ahead of us.
Kevo / May 27, 2011 at 11:59 am
The T1s don't have the poles in the centre of the aisle and they work out much better than the older ones do. The poles cause people to bunch up closer to the doors and stand in a way that makes it harder to fit in less people.

One thing I'm going to do on these trains is when I'm drunk is I'm going to stand in the area that joins two cars so that I can be tossed around on bumps :P

@Jamal - all of the oldest trains (ie. not T1s) I believe are going to be retired once the Rockets go into full service.
MDMF / May 27, 2011 at 12:25 pm
We get new trains, but everyone complains they're not good enough. This is partially why the TTC is still stuck in its old ways: everything isn't good enough (Presto? Waaahhh, old technology, everyone else has it now, not good enough for us!!!).

And I'm going to throw up (on the subway) if I hear another person comparing the TTC to ForeignCityOfYourChoiceHere. Yeah, we all know the TTC is stuck in the past captain obvious.

And for all those complaining about no love for the BD line: All the old Hawker cars running on the BD and YUS will be completely replaced. All those cars you ride with: no AC, orange seats, yellow doors or orange doors will all be canned in the next few years. Gone. The entire system will be run with the still fairly modern T1's and the Toronto Rockets. Fact of the matter is the YUS has more capacity issues than the BD, which combined with future implementation of an advanced signal system explains why the new trains will run on that line exclusively.
Handsome / May 27, 2011 at 01:08 pm
When the TTC upgraded our streetcars from the creaky old yellow ones to the current red rockets, those old trains got sent to Egypt to start a new life. Hopefully something similar happens to the old subway cars. Let's stop talking about poles and feel good about recycling!
Jeremy / May 27, 2011 at 01:27 pm
"And I'm going to throw up (on the subway) if I hear another person comparing the TTC to ForeignCityOfYourChoiceHere. Yeah, we all know the TTC is stuck in the past captain obvious."

I heard that in London they're installing puke receptacles on the tube so that if you're feeling nauseous you don't have to make a mess all over the floor. Perhaps the TTC could use those too!
JM / May 27, 2011 at 01:56 pm
Man, its amazing what people will complain about. The new Subway Cars have screens that are meant to display safety messages as well as Next Stop info like the ones on Streetcars/Buses do.

They're also slightly bigger, and have room for a few arrows pointing to what door will open at the next stop.

Apparently this is a source of outrage. We don't want those arrows there, no sir.

If you listen to the next stop announcements in the video, it doesn't say left or right side, the only difference is it refers to stations that intersect with other lines as interchange stations. The door side is indicated by a few >>>> symbols at the bottom.

And my God, you can really tell who rides the TTC everyday and who doesn't. The newer T1 cars have no centre poles and they've been around SINCE 1996! Amazingly, nobody has died due to this. The next time you ride the TTC I think some of you may be astonished to discover that the Subways are no longer painted red.
Mel / May 27, 2011 at 02:09 pm
I am not too thrilled about the poles being removed from the center of the trains. Being 5.1 means that I can 'just' reach the overhead handles, and only if I stand on my toes. I find them useful for only tall people. Perhaps a good idea would have been to 'reduce' the number of poles, but it would still help to have them.
AT replying to a comment from Sean / May 27, 2011 at 03:38 pm
Sean - you are taking a basic courtesy announcement regarding which doors will open at the next station and making it emblematic of the downfall of society as we know it. Get a grip!
Sam / May 27, 2011 at 03:39 pm
M / May 28, 2011 at 01:10 am
What id your short and you can't reach the poles at the top, thus the centre poles are needed no? You can't always squish yourself to a pole on the side. There will be a lot of bum grabbing.
Clive / May 29, 2011 at 12:54 am
Way to go Toronto! You have new cars but no new adequate expansion...especially to the airport

meanwhile in Calgary....
the lemur replying to a comment from M / May 29, 2011 at 03:26 pm
If you can put your hand up to about 6 feet, you can hold the swing-down grips. The poles at the side are easy for everyone to reach.
the lemur replying to a comment from Clive / May 29, 2011 at 03:27 pm
That's just an underpass that <i>might</i> serve an LRT someday. The airport link here, for all its flaws, is at least planned and has existing track.
bob / May 29, 2011 at 09:47 pm
Wow. Are people really complaining?

So what, extra help from the announcer, and that's a problem because??? All improvements are to increase efficieny, even if by 2 seconds.

I'm sure tourists would love to know which side to get off at.

And no centre poles? The current T1 trains don't have them either!

And why are so many people not focusing on the good?

Anti-microbial handles, info screens, informative subway maps, faster trains, more space, wider doors?

Come on! Give it a rest already.
TTC / May 29, 2011 at 10:35 pm
Who cares what they announce, as long as they run.. So tired of riding a subway that breaks down, then we are kicked off to wait for the next. Happened to me twice today @ Royal and Kipling stations.
aeiou / May 31, 2011 at 01:03 am
The interior of this train looks quite similar to those subway trains currently in use in Seoul, South Korea.
starry replying to a comment from aeiou / May 31, 2011 at 12:36 pm
yeah, more like similar to those subway trains currently in almost the entire asia and europe! my god, it's about time.

someone needs to tell TTC to fix the design of their seats!! get rid of the red velvet! just make the seats all steel! in about 2 weeks, those red velvet seats are gonna look like complete garbage. if you want these things to last long, you gotta make it easy to clean. dumbasses.

and get rid of the awkward 4 seaters that stick out....
Packt Like Sardines in a Crushed Tin Can / May 31, 2011 at 11:27 pm
This is basically the same train as the Canada Line in Vancouver. Its purpose is primarily volume... they want to pack us in and shut the doors and send us on our way.

Subways are depressing.
PA / June 1, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Snazzy looking trains don't like the open car concept though. As another commenter pointed out it makes it harder to get away from harassing people and other loud and obnoxious passengers. The design will work out well for beggars.
Fantomex replying to a comment from Clive / July 29, 2011 at 07:02 am
Clive, as MDMF and Sean have pointed out, who give a shit what some other city has? We don't have it yet because we don't have it yet. If you want to blame somebody for this, blame the people who voted Rob Ford in.

And Sean is right-if you can't tell which side of the train you're supposed to get off at (or figure out what is north, south, east or west on a subway) then you've got problems functioning as a human being, and need to look into the reason why. That said, although I find it a little bit troubling and with some reservations, I support the features on the new trains, want to ride them, and wish that people would stop griping about the TTC generally.

@TTC; obviously you've not heard that the older ones that break down are being replaced with new ones, or will be?
TTC Rider replying to a comment from Derek / July 31, 2011 at 09:14 am
Who's left? Your left or mine?
ian replying to a comment from Jeremy / September 20, 2011 at 08:54 pm
yeah, before i even went to europe, i was in hong kong in 2006 and the trains were already like this.

and it is still better than this train now.

ESPECIALLY the ticketing system. TTC really needs to fix that!!
Shelly / October 2, 2011 at 02:10 am
I have used the transit in Japan, Korea, and other Asian countries and I must say that they have it right. Their trains are longer, and the cars are bigger and longer. Also, the seats go along the length of the car, the seats aren't 'defined', and their are plenty of rings to hold onto. Passage to the next car is separated by door. Very convenient. The ttc is still WAY behind, even with the introduction of these new trains.
Peter / December 8, 2011 at 03:39 pm
Finally had the chance to ride the new ttc trains and to some it up in one word: GARBAGE!

The TTC is so shameful! After all these years, all they could do was upgrade to some low tech trains that would have been new a decade ago. Hong Kong has had more advanced subways than this for a decade or more and we're still using these stupid tokens here! Half the time that you go to a subway turnstile, there is nobody even working there and they put up a sign and expect you to be honest and pay (most of us canadians are stupid and complacent enough to just go with it too!)... Is this the TTC's new strategy of automated turnstiles?

They argue that privatization is not the answer, yet I've ridden the TTC everyday for nearly 2 decades, and NOTHING has improved, the only thing that goes up is the fares. The existence of the union allows ttc workers to be over payed and lazy. This is not true for every worker, but it is quite clear that the TTC has quite low standards for their employees. Is there a petition to privatize the ttc that I can sign? because it is 2011, and as a lifelong Toronto citizen, I am ashamed of our public transit system.

Sean replying to a comment from Jeremy / December 11, 2011 at 02:36 am
Are you serious?
Gline replying to a comment from Becky / March 25, 2012 at 04:06 am
This whole point about the station announcement system in the new cars that Sean and Becky have been going on about only underscores the point that I've been having of late about the subway; namely, that it's overrated, and obsolete as a form of transportation.

When I was a child, I used to think that subways were the bomb (so much so that when my family made a a trip to Montreal in the 1970's, I insisted on us taking a ride on the subway just to see what it was like, even though we had a station wagon [we'd driven there])! I also used to wonder what a subway would be like on Sheppard, and what one would be like under Don Mills, and also down Victoria Park. But then I grew up, became a man, did some research, and figured out that a subway down either of these streets was just a stupid idea and would fail because of the low density of the streets they would be built under. I also realized what Gord Perks had said in a article he did for Eye Weekly a few years back; that the subway is nothing but troglodyte transit-a system where one goes down into the earth and then rides a train down a cave until you get to your destination, and also a good way of reinforcing the automobile as the only good form of transport by keeping public transit out of sight and out of mind: exactly what most car-loving suburbanites and the stupid neocon idiots that they vote in all of the time love to see happen.

I think that as a city looking towards the future, we need to kill the subway once and for all, and fully embrace light rail instead of the mostly underground heavy rail-if we need a form of heavy rail that bad, we can always build monorails instead, since they are above ground and allow you to see the city and be a part of it rather than be cut off from the city and not know it. The DRL could be built as a monorail, or as a LRT line on it's own right of way, and people would get a better form of transit that would allow them to see where they are going, and to help them get off at their destination better (there would still have to be stop announcements, though.)

Building either of these types of forward-looking (and more advanced) public transit would be better than relying on a form of public transit that requires billions of dollars in construction and maintenance costs, cuts people off from the environment, requires having a book and music player on oneself to pass the time, and that also requires that people be told how to get off and in what direction (BTW, IF the TTC and the city do have to build a DRL, would it be possible to build it just as deep as the Montreal subway is built, so that all of the problems associated with subway building in Toronto-namely water damage to the stations and having to expropriate land to build emergency exits-not happen?)
SexMachine29 / May 30, 2012 at 03:11 pm
I like to touch people on the subway. This will make it a lot easier.
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A NAME replying to a comment from Jeremy / July 25, 2012 at 11:29 pm
response to may 26 2011 comment

"the open gangways that link each of the six cars that compose the train (which I'm told is a design unique to North American subways)

Pretty sure that's not the case. While my memory isn't 100%, I'm pretty sure I've been on several open ones in Europe. A quick bit of youtubing seems to confirm this."

Simon Tarses replying to a comment from SexMachine29 / December 30, 2012 at 02:04 am
You won't be able to, since there will be eyes watching you at all times (electronic ones.)
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john / October 23, 2013 at 09:36 pm
the worse trains ever... the design is just horrible... very uncomfortable... the speakers way too loud... the space in the trains used absolutely irrational.
H5 FTW / April 20, 2014 at 10:03 pm
They are absolutely NOT faster than their predecessors! The old ones can also easily do 88, but even if they don't they still go faster than the new ones do. And the new ones are annoying for the very reason of being relatively silent (part of why they also seem slower). I miss the distinctive sound of the H5 trains and will miss the H6's when they're gone.

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