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Reddit thread about Toronto bike shop goes very wrong
A note on Reddit accusing local bike shop Cycle Solutions of trying to deter parts suppliers from doing business with Charlie's FreeWheels, a soon-to-launch charity bike store in Regent Park, resulted in a fast and furious backlash from the online community today. Submitted to the online forum early this morning, the post, which was made under the username pain_perdu, makes the following claims:
"A big retailer named Cycle Solutions has written letters to all the major bike and parts suppliers to threaten them into refusing to do business with my charity, Charlie's FreeWheels....We were hoping to launch our shop in downtown Toronto in mid-April but major suppliers like Norco and Kryptonite [refuse] to work with us because Cycle Solutions has told them not to. In addition to making bikes, Norco makes the majority of the parts we need and so without access to new parts we're unable to operate."
The story of alleged bullying struck a chord and eventually made Reddit's top stories section, where it has racked up over 400 comments, the majority of which offer support and advice for what sounds like a wrongly targeted charity. Even blogTO's editorial email account was flooded with concerned citizens hoping to bring attention to the questionable-sounding behaviour on the part of a local retailer. Despite this torrent of outrage, however, the owner of Charlie's Freewheels, Derek Chadbourne, claims that the accusations in question are false and, moreover, that Cycle Solutions has done nothing wrong.
"The person who wrote the note had no authority to do that, and is no longer affiliated with us," Chadbourne told me in a phone conversation earlier this afternoon. "There is no truth to any of this, and we just feel horrible about it. We want people to know that nothing like this happened."
Upon hearing about the thread, the Charlie's FreeWheels team formulated a response discrediting the initial post on Reddit, but unfortunately it's currently lost near the bottom of a sea of comments. "We regret that these false statements were made in a public forum, and that the owners of Cycle Solutions have been spoken ill of without reason or justification," it reads.
For their part, Cycle Solutions have taken the situation in stride. When contacted earlier today, co-owner Roger Martins calmly denied the claims and said that he and his partners would be gathering evidence from their suppliers to prove that the accusations are baseless. They plan on posting these documents publicly to ensure that the store's reputation is not negatively affected by today's storm of attention, which included hateful emails and even a few death threats. I'll update this article when these become available. They've also contacted Reddit moderators about the libelous post that started all of this.
After the initial barrage of comments about what an awful situation the post describes and what terrible people the owners of Cycle Solutions must be, finally a few people bring up what should be obvious — what if the claims are false or exaggerated? One forum member in particular sums it up perfectly. Addressing the other members, he offers what should be a pretty common sense bit of advice: "[You] need to stop jumping to conclusions. Your actions were completely uncalled for and could damage a businesses [sic] reputation that potentially doesn't deserve it. Is it that difficult to wait until we actually have some proof as to what's really going on?"
Update (7:00 p.m.):
Right around the time that Norco rep Nat Roy distributed a letter denying the allegations against Cycle Solutions (see above), the original Reddit post was updated with a portion of an internal email correspondence between Charlie's workers that seems to indicate that they did believe the other store was interfering with their efforts to secure suppliers (this post also appears in our comments section below).
From what I can gather, the correspondence itself is not fabricated, but the information it contains has been presented out of context. Clearly at some point there was concern on the part of Charlie's that Cycle Solutions was complicating their relationship with suppliers, but there's currently no evidence to suggest that this was actually going on. Reached again by phone, Charlie's owner Derek Chadbourne stressed that "to [his] knowledge Cycle Solutions never wrote any letters trying to block us from opening. The person who wrote the post misconstrued information."
As far as the supplier mentioned in the leaked emails goes, Chadbourne tells me that the difficulty his charity/store has encountered in setting up an account with them relates to timing not third party interference. "OGC doesn't open new contracts in the spring, but the rep's going to look at us in the summer." Meanwhile, Roger Martins of Cycle Solutions tells me that his store plans on posting additional information to clear its name over and above the Norco letter it received this evening. We'll post those documents if and when we get our hands on them.


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In any case, I hope the charity gets up and running. Seems like a great things for the city.
Its a shame that this whole ordeal had to happen. I couldn't recommend a better bike shop (high-end, low-end, kids bikes, service..., nor could I recommend more honorable business men.
I would like to take this opprotunity to thank Nelson and Roger for the amazing service they've provided to the community over the past decade.
Just a friendly note for you to take with any salt you wish, accord means agreement, a chord suggests you're hitting a harmony. Both are cool. Accord is the one people used to use exclusively.
You got the "make ends meet" one right, but not this one. If it were correct, it would be "struck an accord" because "struck accord" neither makes sense nor is grammatically correct.
In fact, I have just received our first letter from our Norco rep confirming that we have done nothing of the sorts that Cycle Solutions is falsely being accused of. Norco would not lie on our behalf.
We are a family run business with 2 stores that probably account for under 0.25% of Norco's total sales! They have their reputation to uphold, and would not risk themselves by telling a lie on our behalf.
Here is a letter from Norco in PDF form of the original I received at this link http://i.imgur.com/YP3Bl.png
PS Anybody know a good libel suit lawyer ;-)
struck accord, not struck a chord. I understand how you made the mistake since I used to say 'make ends meat' instead of 'make ends meet,' so I'm not trying to harp on you from a position of all internet authority.
Just a friendly note for you to take with any salt you wish, accord means agreement, a chord suggests you're hitting a harmony. Both are cool. Accord is the one people used to use exclusively.
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ha ha ha ha uhhh, no.
It IS struck a chord.
As in strike a chord - create an emotional response; "The music struck a chord with the listeners"
To use the word accord you would say "strike an accord", i.e. come to an agreement.
It's okay to be wrong sumtimez.
Excellent satire! But also terribly banal. I don't quite believe now that either of the two entities who are principals in this cosmic tragedy actually exist outside cyberspace in the otherwise real world. Yet, we are Aristotelians all, and the really really (Francis Schaeffer) casts a long shadow on our sense of existence and true truth (ibidem).
Also, there is more than one store named Cycle Solutions, and the original post from Reddit makes NO MENTION of ANYONE named "Derek Chadborne".
I call bullshit on all of the "follow up" information provided by this "Derek Chadborne" and Norco.
GTFO
N_C, if your "spidey sense" is telling u that there is a conspiracy here, y don't u blow the lid off of the whole thing and contact Norco? I'm sure they would get pretty pissed off to hear that I forged a letter!
Cheers
And "make ends meat"? Are you stupid? Sorry but unless you're in grade 1 there's no excuse for thinking the end of that colloquialism is "meat". Do you think before speaking?
As team manager for Cycle Solutions/Angry Johnny's Cycling Club I have some major concerns about these accusations.
First of all Cycle Solutions has been our title sponsor for five years now. CS/AJCC is a not for profit club that supports the development of over 80 riders from the beginner to Elite levels annually. (We even sent a rider to World's last year as a member of Team Canada.) Cycle Solutions has provided more support to our riders then almost any other store in Toronto is able to provide. Every member, regardless of competition level, gets sponsorship discounts and benefits from Cycle Solutions.
Cycle Solutions has been supporting the sport of cycling by being the title Sponsor of the Ontario Cup DH Series for many years, are title Sponsor for the Tuesday Night Albion Series and have come on board this year to become the title sponsors for the Southern CX Series. They also sponsor 24hr races, the xc O-Cup series as well as supporting events like Crank the Shield.
They also have sponsored Derek Chadbourne's own event, the Toronto Icycle, with prizing for the last few years.
Even with all of their sponsorship commitments Cycle Solutions always supports any Charity Events that our riders are involved in like Gravenhurst's Puppy Pedal, which many CS/AJCC riders participate in annually. Cycle Solutions has made a donation to this event as well as provided prizing for the event for the last 3 years that his event has been happening.
I am very concerned that these accusations are baseless and may effect Cycle Solutions and our team by association. This is not what CS/AJCC is all about. We are committed to supporting and developing the sport of Cycling in any way.
I hope that those that have made these comments publicly would consider exactly what consequences their words can have before speaking out in the future.
Thank you,
Emma
Strike a chord - creating an emotional response
Looks like you need more research.
Someone talks smack about a bike shop, hurting their feelings - suddenly everyone wants to punish that person for his words
f that
In addition, it's nto logical to ignore smaller issues simply because they're smaller (in your opinion). I think some religious fanatics in afhanistan could stand to ignore some moron in florida though.
accord [əˈkɔːd]
n
1. agreement; conformity; accordance (esp in the phrase in accord with)
2. consent or concurrence of opinion
with one accord unanimously
4. pleasing relationship between sounds, colours, etc.; harmony
5. a settlement of differences, as between nations; compromise
of one's own accord voluntarily
vb
1. to be or cause to be in harmony or agreement
2. (tr) to grant; bestow
[via Old French from Latin ad- to + cord-, stem of cor heart]
strike a chord - evoke a reaction, response, or emotion; "this writer strikes a chord with young women"; "The storyteller touched a chord
Secondly, everyone at Charlie’s is horrified that these accusations have come forward by someone who does not even belong to our organization.
“pain-perdue" was a part of our organization, as a volunteer. He had no authority to speak on behalf of the organization as he did, nor did he have accurate information. He posted the articles purely of his own accord without our knowledge or consent and continued to post once we told him to stop. Pain-Perdu took our emails about the situation out of context and threatened to write letters to Cycle Solutions, Norco as well as OGC. Even after we told him it was unneccesary, he made his post on Reddit.
Cycle Solutions is a community bike store, they are not a corporate monster. I have done cycling events in the past and they have always been generous with their prize contributions. We never thought that Cycle Solutions was trying to block us from getting distributors. As of last Friday we were opening an account with Norco and OGC come summer.
We hope that this situation is rectified and the good name of Cycle Solutions will remain untarnished. While we are dismayed by the events that transpired this weekend, we want to put this behind us and move forward with our youth programming and opening our store April 17th.
Das ist mein erster Post hier, ich wollte mich nur kurz vorstellen! Das mag ich gerne: Hasen.
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Ich bin 33 Jahre jung ;) und habe 2 Kinder und eine Frau!
Ich hoffe man versteht sich hier.
Bye