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Reddit thread about Toronto bike shop goes very wrong

Posted by Derek Flack / April 3, 2011

reddit post Toronto bike StoreA note on Reddit accusing local bike shop Cycle Solutions of trying to deter parts suppliers from doing business with Charlie's FreeWheels, a soon-to-launch charity bike store in Regent Park, resulted in a fast and furious backlash from the online community today. Submitted to the online forum early this morning, the post, which was made under the username pain_perdu, makes the following claims:

"A big retailer named Cycle Solutions has written letters to all the major bike and parts suppliers to threaten them into refusing to do business with my charity, Charlie's FreeWheels....We were hoping to launch our shop in downtown Toronto in mid-April but major suppliers like Norco and Kryptonite [refuse] to work with us because Cycle Solutions has told them not to. In addition to making bikes, Norco makes the majority of the parts we need and so without access to new parts we're unable to operate."

The story of alleged bullying struck a chord and eventually made Reddit's top stories section, where it has racked up over 400 comments, the majority of which offer support and advice for what sounds like a wrongly targeted charity. Even blogTO's editorial email account was flooded with concerned citizens hoping to bring attention to the questionable-sounding behaviour on the part of a local retailer. Despite this torrent of outrage, however, the owner of Charlie's Freewheels, Derek Chadbourne, claims that the accusations in question are false and, moreover, that Cycle Solutions has done nothing wrong.

"The person who wrote the note had no authority to do that, and is no longer affiliated with us," Chadbourne told me in a phone conversation earlier this afternoon. "There is no truth to any of this, and we just feel horrible about it. We want people to know that nothing like this happened."

Upon hearing about the thread, the Charlie's FreeWheels team formulated a response discrediting the initial post on Reddit, but unfortunately it's currently lost near the bottom of a sea of comments. "We regret that these false statements were made in a public forum, and that the owners of Cycle Solutions have been spoken ill of without reason or justification," it reads.

For their part, Cycle Solutions have taken the situation in stride. When contacted earlier today, co-owner Roger Martins calmly denied the claims and said that he and his partners would be gathering evidence from their suppliers to prove that the accusations are baseless. They plan on posting these documents publicly to ensure that the store's reputation is not negatively affected by today's storm of attention, which included hateful emails and even a few death threats. I'll update this article when these become available. They've also contacted Reddit moderators about the libelous post that started all of this.

After the initial barrage of comments about what an awful situation the post describes and what terrible people the owners of Cycle Solutions must be, finally a few people bring up what should be obvious — what if the claims are false or exaggerated? One forum member in particular sums it up perfectly. Addressing the other members, he offers what should be a pretty common sense bit of advice: "[You] need to stop jumping to conclusions. Your actions were completely uncalled for and could damage a businesses [sic] reputation that potentially doesn't deserve it. Is it that difficult to wait until we actually have some proof as to what's really going on?"

Update (7:00 p.m.):

NorcoRight around the time that Norco rep Nat Roy distributed a letter denying the allegations against Cycle Solutions (see above), the original Reddit post was updated with a portion of an internal email correspondence between Charlie's workers that seems to indicate that they did believe the other store was interfering with their efforts to secure suppliers (this post also appears in our comments section below).

From what I can gather, the correspondence itself is not fabricated, but the information it contains has been presented out of context. Clearly at some point there was concern on the part of Charlie's that Cycle Solutions was complicating their relationship with suppliers, but there's currently no evidence to suggest that this was actually going on. Reached again by phone, Charlie's owner Derek Chadbourne stressed that "to [his] knowledge Cycle Solutions never wrote any letters trying to block us from opening. The person who wrote the post misconstrued information."

As far as the supplier mentioned in the leaked emails goes, Chadbourne tells me that the difficulty his charity/store has encountered in setting up an account with them relates to timing not third party interference. "OGC doesn't open new contracts in the spring, but the rep's going to look at us in the summer." Meanwhile, Roger Martins of Cycle Solutions tells me that his store plans on posting additional information to clear its name over and above the Norco letter it received this evening. We'll post those documents if and when we get our hands on them.

Discussion

32 Comments

Joe / April 3, 2011 at 05:03 pm
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Who cares?? Where are the SlutWalk Pics?????
Dale7809 / April 3, 2011 at 06:00 pm
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I was reading this post this morning. Seems like a bit of info. Must be a hint of truth. Tho, I can't seem to get a store doing such a thing.

In any case, I hope the charity gets up and running. Seems like a great things for the city.
pain perdu / April 3, 2011 at 06:10 pm
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Original e-mail log from FreeWheels volunteer in charge of dealing with suppliers: http://imgur.com/VyMQY
j.c / April 3, 2011 at 06:34 pm
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I have known Roger, and his brother/co-owner Nelson for years. They are the owners of our local bike shop, and its a damn good one at that. Its a small shop with only a handful of workers. The sales guys are incredibly knowledgable, but never intimidating. Both Roger and Nelson have young families, and are huge supporters of local charities. If anything, they would have offered support to Charlie's Freewheels - coaching, mentoring.

Its a shame that this whole ordeal had to happen. I couldn't recommend a better bike shop (high-end, low-end, kids bikes, service..., nor could I recommend more honorable business men.

I would like to take this opprotunity to thank Nelson and Roger for the amazing service they've provided to the community over the past decade.
Hiya / April 3, 2011 at 06:49 pm
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struck accord, not struck a chord. I understand how you made the mistake since I used to say 'make ends meat' instead of 'make ends meet,' so I'm not trying to harp on you from a position of all internet authority.

Just a friendly note for you to take with any salt you wish, accord means agreement, a chord suggests you're hitting a harmony. Both are cool. Accord is the one people used to use exclusively.
Jeff replying to a comment from Hiya / April 3, 2011 at 06:57 pm
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No, actually, there is no such thing as "struck accord."

You got the "make ends meet" one right, but not this one. If it were correct, it would be "struck an accord" because "struck accord" neither makes sense nor is grammatically correct.
mr. smarty pants / April 3, 2011 at 07:03 pm
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No, actually, I believe the correct saying is "struck a cord". As in, "I struck a cord with my foot when crossing the room".
Roger Cycle Solutions / April 3, 2011 at 07:22 pm
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We have NEVER spoken ill of, nor told any distributor to not sell/support any charity including CharlesFreewheel!

In fact, I have just received our first letter from our Norco rep confirming that we have done nothing of the sorts that Cycle Solutions is falsely being accused of. Norco would not lie on our behalf.

We are a family run business with 2 stores that probably account for under 0.25% of Norco's total sales! They have their reputation to uphold, and would not risk themselves by telling a lie on our behalf.

Here is a letter from Norco in PDF form of the original I received at this link http://i.imgur.com/YP3Bl.png

PS Anybody know a good libel suit lawyer ;-)
Yay / April 3, 2011 at 07:49 pm
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The anonymity of the internet: making civilization sh*ttier and stupider every day.
Police the police / April 3, 2011 at 07:56 pm
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Hiya / APRIL 3, 2011 AT 6:49 PM

struck accord, not struck a chord. I understand how you made the mistake since I used to say 'make ends meat' instead of 'make ends meet,' so I'm not trying to harp on you from a position of all internet authority.

Just a friendly note for you to take with any salt you wish, accord means agreement, a chord suggests you're hitting a harmony. Both are cool. Accord is the one people used to use exclusively.
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ha ha ha ha uhhh, no.

It IS struck a chord.

As in strike a chord - create an emotional response; "The music struck a chord with the listeners"

To use the word accord you would say "strike an accord", i.e. come to an agreement.

It's okay to be wrong sumtimez.
Albert Gedraitis / April 3, 2011 at 08:50 pm
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Excellent satire! But also terribly banal. I don't quite believe now that either of the two entities who are principals in this cosmic tragedy actually exist outside cyberspace in the otherwise real world. Yet, we are Aristotelians all, and the really really (Francis Schaeffer) casts a long shadow on our sense of existence and true truth (ibidem).
bullring / April 3, 2011 at 08:51 pm
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take a car ya freaks
Not_Convinced / April 4, 2011 at 03:58 am
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Have we not learned that corporations LIE, a lot? Just to save face and their own a$$es.

Also, there is more than one store named Cycle Solutions, and the original post from Reddit makes NO MENTION of ANYONE named "Derek Chadborne".

I call bullshit on all of the "follow up" information provided by this "Derek Chadborne" and Norco.
Not_Convinced replying to a comment from Roger Cycle Solutions / April 4, 2011 at 03:59 am
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"Roger"; I could print that up in less than 5 minutes.

GTFO
glueboy / April 4, 2011 at 04:31 am
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Reddit gave me a bunch of viruses and trojans. I wouldn't even bother with the place.
facefacefaceface / April 4, 2011 at 05:40 am
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Yes. You should most definitely stay away from reddit. They're a bunch of creeps who want to eat babies. Don't go there.
Roger Cycle Solutions replying to a comment from Not_Convinced / April 4, 2011 at 09:13 am
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I'm sick of defending myself against unsubstantiated slanderous accusations.

N_C, if your "spidey sense" is telling u that there is a conspiracy here, y don't u blow the lid off of the whole thing and contact Norco? I'm sure they would get pretty pissed off to hear that I forged a letter!

Cheers
Ralphie replying to a comment from Roger Cycle Solutions / April 4, 2011 at 09:26 am
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Actually, since it's in print, or written on the internet it's known as Libel, ex.: I am sick of defending myself against libelous claims...
Ralphie replying to a comment from mr. smarty pants / April 4, 2011 at 09:36 am
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Wow really? It' struck a chord. As in, they're playign my tune, or that was the note that inspired me etc.

And "make ends meat"? Are you stupid? Sorry but unless you're in grade 1 there's no excuse for thinking the end of that colloquialism is "meat". Do you think before speaking?
eemaface / April 4, 2011 at 10:25 am
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I would like to comment about this.
As team manager for Cycle Solutions/Angry Johnny's Cycling Club I have some major concerns about these accusations.

First of all Cycle Solutions has been our title sponsor for five years now. CS/AJCC is a not for profit club that supports the development of over 80 riders from the beginner to Elite levels annually. (We even sent a rider to World's last year as a member of Team Canada.) Cycle Solutions has provided more support to our riders then almost any other store in Toronto is able to provide. Every member, regardless of competition level, gets sponsorship discounts and benefits from Cycle Solutions.

Cycle Solutions has been supporting the sport of cycling by being the title Sponsor of the Ontario Cup DH Series for many years, are title Sponsor for the Tuesday Night Albion Series and have come on board this year to become the title sponsors for the Southern CX Series. They also sponsor 24hr races, the xc O-Cup series as well as supporting events like Crank the Shield.
They also have sponsored Derek Chadbourne's own event, the Toronto Icycle, with prizing for the last few years.

Even with all of their sponsorship commitments Cycle Solutions always supports any Charity Events that our riders are involved in like Gravenhurst's Puppy Pedal, which many CS/AJCC riders participate in annually. Cycle Solutions has made a donation to this event as well as provided prizing for the event for the last 3 years that his event has been happening.

I am very concerned that these accusations are baseless and may effect Cycle Solutions and our team by association. This is not what CS/AJCC is all about. We are committed to supporting and developing the sport of Cycling in any way.

I hope that those that have made these comments publicly would consider exactly what consequences their words can have before speaking out in the future.
Thank you,
Emma
Foxprowl replying to a comment from Hiya / April 4, 2011 at 10:34 am
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Strike accord - finding agreement

Strike a chord - creating an emotional response

Looks like you need more research.
justice, where is it / April 4, 2011 at 11:14 am
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Jones burns Koran and then people die - nobody wants to punish him for his words

Someone talks smack about a bike shop, hurting their feelings - suddenly everyone wants to punish that person for his words

f that
Ralphie replying to a comment from justice, where is it / April 4, 2011 at 12:27 pm
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tbh, I don't give a shit about someone burning a book. they obviously bought the book, if they want to burn it, go right ahead. the book and the act of burning it both hold zero significance to me. You know what? I've rolled joints with bible pages and smoked them before. What bothers me is the people that feel killing innocent embassy officials is justified because some backwoods hick religious fanatic on the other side of the world burned some paper.

In addition, it's nto logical to ignore smaller issues simply because they're smaller (in your opinion). I think some religious fanatics in afhanistan could stand to ignore some moron in florida though.
Ralphie replying to a comment from Foxprowl / April 4, 2011 at 12:36 pm
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foxprowl - no, no, that's not how that phrase is worded if it's going to be considered grammatically correct.

accord [əˈkɔːd]
n
1. agreement; conformity; accordance (esp in the phrase in accord with)
2. consent or concurrence of opinion
with one accord unanimously
4. pleasing relationship between sounds, colours, etc.; harmony
5. a settlement of differences, as between nations; compromise
of one's own accord voluntarily
vb
1. to be or cause to be in harmony or agreement
2. (tr) to grant; bestow
[via Old French from Latin ad- to + cord-, stem of cor heart]

strike a chord - evoke a reaction, response, or emotion; "this writer strikes a chord with young women"; "The storyteller touched a chord
beep / April 4, 2011 at 12:46 pm
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Honda Accord.
the lemur replying to a comment from Foxprowl / April 4, 2011 at 01:03 pm
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You can strike <i>an</i> accord, as in reaching an agreement, but 'strike' is more commonly used with 'deal'.
agentsmith / April 4, 2011 at 02:12 pm
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I'm not sure what's funnier, that someone thought this was newsworthy, or all the linguistics experts in here.
Ralphie replying to a comment from agentsmith / April 4, 2011 at 02:45 pm
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Well, if you eman funny in a pathetic or ironic sort fo way, it's you...
Derek Chadbourne replying to a comment from Roger Cycle Solutions / April 4, 2011 at 03:22 pm
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My name is Derek Chadbourne and I am part of the organization known as Charlie’s Freewheels. The first thing I would like to say is unlike what a poster below insinuated, I am a real person. I am the owner of the Bike Joint and you can call me anytime you like.

Secondly, everyone at Charlie’s is horrified that these accusations have come forward by someone who does not even belong to our organization.

“pain-perdue" was a part of our organization, as a volunteer. He had no authority to speak on behalf of the organization as he did, nor did he have accurate information. He posted the articles purely of his own accord without our knowledge or consent and continued to post once we told him to stop. Pain-Perdu took our emails about the situation out of context and threatened to write letters to Cycle Solutions, Norco as well as OGC. Even after we told him it was unneccesary, he made his post on Reddit.

Cycle Solutions is a community bike store, they are not a corporate monster. I have done cycling events in the past and they have always been generous with their prize contributions. We never thought that Cycle Solutions was trying to block us from getting distributors. As of last Friday we were opening an account with Norco and OGC come summer.

We hope that this situation is rectified and the good name of Cycle Solutions will remain untarnished. While we are dismayed by the events that transpired this weekend, we want to put this behind us and move forward with our youth programming and opening our store April 17th.
Jessica Gray / September 2, 2011 at 03:47 am
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