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Rob Ford comes out on the losing end of mayoral debate on heritage issues
"I plead to you, make passionate love to your city," said moderator Paul Bedford to a crowd of several hundred gathered on Monday night for a mayoral debate focused on heritage.
Bedford, former Chief Planner of Toronto, meant that we should take care of our historic landmarks and cultural landscapes, which are priorities the debate's organizers -- Heritage Toronto and the Toronto Historical Association -- are worried don't receive enough attention.
Appropriately held in the historic St. Lawrence Hall, built in 1850 and restored in 1967 for Canada's centennial, the debate provided the top five candidates, plus Rocco Achampong, the opportunity to weigh in on heritage preservation.
Bedford's first question: How would you make heritage a more important part of the decision making process at City Hall?
Rob Ford, surprisingly, called for more money and staff for Heritage Toronto. "What would you rather have, $100,000 coming to Heritage Toronto...or $100,000 for free food for council at council meetings?" Ford asked. The extra money Ford spoke about would thus come from the reallocation of existing funds.
George Smitherman, riding on the wave of his heritage preservation policy announced earlier in the day, called for a crackdown on those who own and neglect heritage properties, more resources for Heritage Toronto, and a deeper engagement in the preservation process by local groups.
Sarah Thomson spoke about pre-zoning designated areas to protect heritage sites.
Joe Pantalone complained the provincial government is not giving its fair share to heritage preservation, and Rocco Rossi said that heritage needs to become a larger component of the overall planning process.
Lastly, Achampong said he wants more authority for Heritage Toronto, which is currently dominated by larger agencies.
The conversation then turned to the proposal of a Toronto Museum.
"As much as I love the idea in concept, I don't support it in practical terms," Smitherman said. He added that any extra money should be put towards transit and infrastructure.
Predictably, Ford dismissed the idea outright. "We cannot afford it. Period," he said.
Thomson and Rossi were skeptical about a museum, and Achampong and Pantalone supported it.
St. Lawrence Hall was packed with a downtown crowd, and, judging by the volume and the enthusiasm of applause, Smitherman was the clear favourite. By the same standard, Ford was the night's loser.
"You really believe we have to spend $45 million on renovating Nathan Philips Square?" Ford asked at one point of the debate. Spontaneously, the audience shouted back "Yes!"
During his closing remarks he told everyone to ask themselves on election-day who they trust to avoid scandals at City Hall. The audience exploded with laughter.
And during another awkward moment for Ford, when asked where he'd like to hold a heritage walk, he said "I'd love to do a walk, but I'd rather do a jog because I could lose a hundred pounds."
Monday's debate allowed Smitherman to speak about his work as a provincial MPP in the preservation of Massey House and preventing new condo developments from dwarfing St. James Cathedral, which endeared him to the heritage conscious crowd.
Achampong, however, came across as nervous and failed to win more than polite applause. He ran out of time at several points and conceded he "needs to learn to debate in bullet point form."
With the election winding down to the final stretch, including fringe candidates is little more than a token gesture. Narrowing the race down, on the other hand, would have given more time to individual candidates to get beyond the sound bites and engage in real conversation.
Since the real race will begin in a week, the debates should become more focused. In light of last night's performance, that may or may not be a good thing for Rob Ford.


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We can speculate that Ford would be a poor leader, but George has already proved that he is a poor leader.
Not that I'm a Ford fan. Just thought it was neat that even he is mildly progressive on this issue. (Though he was noticeably silent when Smitherman started talking tough on negligent property owners.)
Also, business owners don't automatically love Ford.
There is a reason why he did not fair so well in this debate, i doubt he spends much time in the core of the city. I hope more of this happens as people will see more of his true colours.
My vote is for Toronto! Take that!
AT CITY HALL!
My question is this: what would YOU ask, if given the opportunity to ask just one question? We created a forum <http://bit.ly/d3iG4g> where you can suggest a question and I'm going to pick one question to ask on the show.
So please, if you have a great question for these 5 candidates, let me know!
Smitherman was the best choice for eHealth too.
Everyone "fears" what Ford may do but we know what Smitherman has done. Even if you hate for on such petty grounds, Smitherman is hardly the "best choice", bbb/bob/<alias>.
i read fiction
you clearly don't read anything
so i guess you're voting liberal in this municipal election
yay for dummies!
Let's spend tax dollars on our future, not on a small group's past.
And I'd wager that monumental buildings do mean something to people born outside Canada. Would you like to see what remains of ancient Tokyo or London or Rome torn down for office buildings?
You misunderstand the issue.
It was just that dillon taking an air of intellectual superiority because he dropped a Rowling reference was too, too funny.
Property is cheap in North Bay and parking is free. Please move there immediately, Mr. Shmeritage et al.
Here's a hint: think before you type.
smitherman thinks the citizens of toronto are idiots.
Oh, and if Ford had any imagination, he could have offered to do a heritage/Jane's-type walk in his own family backyard, so to speak: the Weston Wood/Royal York Plaza zone. And no, I'm not being sarcastic: it really would be a terrific Jane's Walk kind of "this used to be my playground" thing, at least if you suspend all stigmas attached to the Ford clan...
I'm glad there were people criticizing his every word, otherwise there would be some pretty bad mistakes coming our way.
And how can people think that tax dollars should go to this cause?
i) It's a fallacy that Toronto has a spending problem and that cost overruns are a critical issue:
(under EXPENDITURES) Over the past decade, however, the city spent 1.1 percent more than it budgeted, on average, therefore performing among the best provinces in Canada on this measure. ...
ii) What IS true is that more transparency is needed in planning and reporting budgets as there are large deviations btw planned (capital) and actual (operating) budgets:
(under EXPENDITURES) The most useful single-word summary of Toronto’s fiscal management on the expenditure side would be erratic (Table 2). The accuracy measure of 4.5 percent over the decade would put Toronto, if it were a province, ahead of
only Prince Edward Island, and resource-rich Alberta and Saskatchewan...
iii) Many claim that our $3 Billion debt is a problem, growing too fast. Now, I checked this with the financial statements from the City of Toronto for 2008 (2009 reports are not published). There's a report titled "2008 Consolidated Financial Statements" , from http://www.toronto.ca/finance/financial_reports.htm (see attached pdf). The balance and income shortfalls in these statements need to be addressed. But it doesn't strike me as a crisis:
7.1 B Assets
10.6 B Liabilities (incl. 3+ bil in debt)
(3.3) B Net Position
9.5 B Revenue
10.2 B Expenses
(0.64) B Net Position
So I definitely agree that spending has to come under control and that there needs to be better transparency. But "fiscal crisis", seems a bit tenuous. And I'm just Joe Public, taking a cursory glance at the books. Now here's the question...
Question: To avoid miscommunication in our fiscal position, what's the best way improve the transparency of budgets?
Thank-you
Tim Washington
Why?
With the exception of perhaps Fox News, the media has one simple agenda: make money through advertising.
They do this by trying to provide the most valuable product to advertisers (i.e. the more viewers the better).
So to them, viewership is King. They give people what they want to see first, then start worrying about being objective*.
Spending time on fringe candidates doesn't do this. Focusing on the big 5 does. People want to be updated on Ford and Smitherman, not 12 other candidates whose names they don't know.
*They are being objective in their minds by giving Rocco and Thompson time to speak and not just the front runners, Ford and Smitherman.
I will not sink to your level of ignorance and insult you. But will say if you have nothing constructive to say keep it to yourself.
Perry Missal (www.perrymissal.ca) the Ward 27 City Council candidate cares about protecting our history.
What does Smitherman know anything about, except sodomy and theft?
Where's the billion bucks you stole from eHealth, George?
Bastard!
"I plead to you, make passionate love to your city,"
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