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TTC Management to All Employees: "Our Customers Deserve Better"

Posted by Jerrold Litwinenko / February 6, 2010

ttc customer service problemsTTC Chief General Manager Gary Webster has just issued a stern statement to all Toronto Transit Commission employees concerning their roles in "allowing the TTC to drift into a culture of unacceptable operating discipline." In a rather rare move, the commission has also decided to share this full statement with the media.

Webster's memo suggests that rather than being reactive on a case-by-case basis and hoping that the few bad apples get the picture and adjust their behaviour, the commission will instead move to broadly reinforce that "employees need to be held accountable for their poor performance." He continues by firmly stating that the "culture of complacency and malaise that has seeped into our organization will end."

The statement follows a string of several recent highly publicized incidents involving poor performance in the realm of customer service, and what's resulted in a serious downward spiral in public sentiment towards the employees of our troubled transit system, calls for action including a Passengers' Bill of Rights, and web sites expressing frustration.

It's also unfortunately created a tense us-versus-them mentality that's turned your average Joe and Jane transit users into a mini-army of roving citizen reporters trying to record and blow the whistle on workers perceived to be slacking or inconveniencing riders.

I can image that much like in the photo above, TTC management have been driven up the wall with the outpouring of complaints and negative media attention. Hopefully this statement has some positive impact on both employee performance and the public's view. In the very least, it demonstrates that a call for action is coming from the top.

It'll also be interesting to see if Amalgamated Transit Union 113 head Bob Kinnear has a rebuttal to issue to the members of the union or the ridership - a response more official than this claw-back Tweet from a new, unconfirmed "ATU113" Twitter account.

Read the full statement below:

Our Customers Deserve Better

February 6, 2010

I don't know about you, but I am becoming increasingly tired of defending the reputation of the TTC; tired of explaining what is acceptable and what is not; and tired of stating the obvious: that much of the behaviour being reported is, indeed, unacceptable.

You have heard me say that I am proud of the TTC. I still am, but I am not proud of what we have been dealing with over the last several weeks.

Two weeks ago I said that the vast majority of TTC employees care about the organization and do a good job, but we can all do better. I asked everyone to respond well. Some of you did. Clearly, some of you did not.

We all have to accept responsibility for allowing the TTC to drift into a culture of unacceptable operating discipline. In other words, we have deemed it acceptable for some employees to not do all aspects of their jobs.

We have two choices. We can continue to react to issues, deal with individual employee problems, and hope that the rest of our employees get the message, behave themselves and not get caught doing something they should not be doing.

The other choice, and the one we are going to take, is a much broader approach. Expectations need to be clear, especially for frontline employees. And employees need to be held accountable for their poor performance.

We are in the customer service business, but some of the behaviour our customers have encountered recently would suggest otherwise. Our customers pay a fare and the City provides hundreds of millions of dollars every year to the TTC. This public transit agency belongs to the very people we serve.

As Chief General Manager, I am ultimately accountable to our customers. As employees, you - and you alone - are accountable for your actions. The culture of complacency and malaise that has seeped into our organization will end. I hold all of management responsible to make this happen. Reviews and plans are under way to address systemic issues regarding customer service, but real change starts with you.

Gary Webster
Chief General Manager

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Photo: "CT Tram" by v i p e z.

Discussion

70 Comments

tired / February 6, 2010 at 05:49 pm
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It's finally time a tangible plan of action shows up. This has seriously gone on for far too long that they have no idea how diseased the whole organization is. hopefully things will change for the better, but the union has management by the balls and wont give up without a fight.
JH / February 6, 2010 at 06:11 pm
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Finally. It sounds like some real accountability for what we have been putting up with for years.
I am continually amazed at the lack of basic manners some TTC employees have. From brusque replies, to downright laziness, this has to stop. We need to remember that WE are the customers, and even though they have the monopoly, it doesn't mean they have any right to do this.
(last example for me was the other night when a short-turning 506 driver informed me at 2am that he didn't care when the next car was coming, that he was going home to sleep. He then shut the doors and left. I am a woman - traveling alone. Not only rude, but inconsiderate).
It happens daily, to everyone I know.

There are some fantastic drivers out there (and collectors, other staff). But the bad apples have spread the rot. Is it really so hard to smile? Is it really that difficult to be helpful or courteous?

In this day and age when so many are unemployed, they should be grateful, and they should remember that if they don't like being in customer service they should transfer out of the public eye. They are making our city an embarrassment.
Will / February 6, 2010 at 06:15 pm
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It's PR. This is just damage control, I'll believe it when I see it.
"seeped in"... riiiiight / February 6, 2010 at 06:40 pm
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I encourage everyone to become fans of the "Can this clump of dirt get more fans than the TTC" page on Facebook.
Over It / February 6, 2010 at 06:46 pm
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Yawn... too little, too late.
Christopher Hylarides / February 6, 2010 at 06:51 pm
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You'll excuse me if I sit back and believe it when I see it. They've got little reason to make me consider otherwise.
Lee / February 6, 2010 at 07:12 pm
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What We Can And Can't Live With When It Comes To The TTC:

(excuse this if it has been mentioned ad nauseum already here or elsewhere)

Firstly, I appreciate that folks at the TTC are beginning to take ownership of the problems noted in Gary Webster's letter, although it does sound a bit like damage control and telling people what they want to hear. That said, me and some friends sat down and came up with this:

We can live with the odd TTC employee taking a nap on the job. We do it sometimes, too and good coverage appeared this week on the value of napping as related to overall/longterm productivity and performance...

We can live without a trip planner app. We see its great value, but it seems like a second-tier problem right now.

We can live without knowing when the next train will arrive in the remaining stations that lack the screens. We know that it will be there relatively soon.

We can live with grandstanders, buck-passers and other things of this nature surrounding the TTC problem, which, btw, seem equally embarrassing as being caught on camera napping at work....

We can even live with the fare increase.

But we can't live with the consistent and seemingly terminal lack of cleanliness in subway cars and vehicles, stations, turnstiles, escalators, etc. We remembered that these days, the issue is greater than ever since our fair city must contend with flu, bedbug epidemics, and who knows what else.

As customers, we think vast improvements with TTC cleanliness would be the first valuable step to overall resolution.

Chris Orbz / February 6, 2010 at 07:33 pm
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What? I don't give a damn about the cleanliness. You expect vehicles to be mopped between every stop as people trek through in winter coats? Whatever, neat-freak.

I care about the fact that I waited a half hour in the cold at 3 am at Jane and Bloor to have the finally-arriving bus drive right past me, me waving, without so much as a glance at the stop, a drop in speed or even a slight veer towards the sidewalk and away from the left lane he was driving in. Cost me $20 to basically follow the SOB home in a cab, but without getting close enough to get the vehicle number and with a black-hole complaints process, I know full well there's no chance that employee will be punished or I will be compensated. And the driver knows that too, and were I a more vulnerable and more broke person, I couldve been actually endangered by this.

I've definitely moved into the Fire Them All school of thought on this joke of a "service."
RKMK / February 6, 2010 at 07:35 pm
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Speak for yourself, Lee. I don't need to touch anything in the TTC, and rarely do. What I *do* need, is service that isn't breaking down or short-turning constantly. That is, if I'm paying for transit, I need to <i>get reliable transit</i>.
pas de nom / February 6, 2010 at 08:09 pm
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I find it interesting that in the hundreds of articles written about improving transit in this town or complaining about service on the TTC, everyone misses the obvious solution to this mess; End the governments monopoly over transit.
b / February 6, 2010 at 08:12 pm
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You are right, I really don't care about them telling me when the next bus is arriving....

BUT I need them to be quick and reliable - I want the bus to come when it's supposed to. What good does it do me when I'm standing there in the cold for an hour?

I want the subway to take me to my destination without delay. (I know I sound like Jack, but) if this is somewhere else in the world, any service delay would probably go on the news, and heads would probably roll, and the same kind of thing would not repeat itself again.

Either increase reliability, or lower fares.
Bubba / February 6, 2010 at 08:27 pm
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I'll believe it when and if I see it, also just a point, even though the front line works are taking the brunt of what has happened recently the general attitude and mood at the TTC has to have come from some where, and usually it's a trickle down effect and quite frankly there has been no transparency and accountability at the very top at the TTC and if anything needs to change it needs to start there as they have been silent through out all of this. Why is it none of the board of directors has come forward to deal with this, this transit system is getting the majority of it's funding from us the customers, and they need to be accountable to us. It's time for the citizens of this city to take back the TTC.
James / February 6, 2010 at 08:49 pm
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The problem is the union, and the union alone. It's no wonder that employees are complacent, rude, lazy, etc. when they know that the union will shield them from getting fired. Unions condone substandard work behaviour by defending their employees actions (or in this case, inaction). If the union were not there, lazy employees would just be fired and replaced with employees who are willing to do the job they're being paid for.

Economically speaking, unions create inefficiencies in the marketplace. To be effective, management must have to ability to manage their workforce as they see fit. This includes hiring and firing at their discretion (obviously must be in line with labor laws, etc.). By removing that ability, unions are tying the hands of management and make it impossible to run an efficient business.

Unions make sure that inefficient workers remain in jobs that are not suited to them. If those workers were fired, they would have to find work elsewhere, eventually landing in a job that is more suited to them, in which they will be efficient and productive. This type of movement with the marketplace provides benefit to the workers, and to society as a whole.

Unfortunately, most people will never understand this, and so unions will continue to hinder efficiency and productivity.
jamesmallon replying to a comment from pas de nom / February 6, 2010 at 08:51 pm
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'End the monopoly' is the kind of stupid that put the TTC where it is: falling apart and demoralized. Only neo-con morons won't accept that society costs money: returning provincial funding to pre-Harris levels would do. You conservative $%^&-wits have had your two decades stealing the toys and pissing all over the sandbox. Time to go home and grow up.
Sarah M replying to a comment from RKMK / February 6, 2010 at 09:04 pm
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SOmething needs to be done about the shitty service on th THE 510 Spadina line!!!

40 minute waits ARE UNACCEPTABLE!!
Greg J. Smith / February 6, 2010 at 09:10 pm
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@James Wow. You sure have "unions" and "the marketplace" figured out. Thanks for vividly describing your tunnel vision for all of us.
Sean / February 6, 2010 at 09:12 pm
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If you think that what we actually see is bad, I can't wait for the expose of the behind-the-scenes guys, the card games during the afternoon, and the sleeping quarters they've built in nooks and crannies of the system. Maybe what we need is a TV movie about the things I've heard laughed away, about the second full time jobs that they're able to keep by getting adequate rest during their TTC shift.

It's all here-say, I grant you that. But from what I've heard, and the decades of absolute and utter waste, it's no wonder why our transit system is in the state it's in.

PS: about the only thing that will prove that the TTC means a commitment to service is to reduce fares. If New York and Chicago can charge $2, so can Toronto.
mjp replying to a comment from Sean / February 6, 2010 at 09:30 pm
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NY and Chicago transit get government subsidies that far outstrip what the TTC gets post-Mike Harris, as someone else already brought up. Public transit requires subsidy as it is part of the urban infrastructure, and since the province took their money away the TTC has been slowly drowning in debt.
mick / February 6, 2010 at 09:32 pm
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Riding the Ossington bus the other night, I got picked up by a driver whose g/f was accompanying him on the trip. I didn't mind so much (even though she was somewhat blocking the aisle entrance by standing right beside/behind him) because it's pretty harmless if she isn't being a distraction. Only, she was, and a huge one at that. These two were heavy in conversation and clearly he wasn't paying nearly as much attention to the road as should have. Before long, we were flying along King, wheeling around Shaw and Ossington, clipping street corner curbs, charging into bus stops....it was crazy. And the only reason I didn't take my camera out and start filming to post it online is I had a change of heart. With the shitstorm they've endured in recent weeks, I just thought maybe they'd seen enough. Now I'm wishing I had filmed it.

More than anything, I think the TTC needs it's feet held to the fire for a sustained period. They need to know just how far they've fallen from grace and how angry riders are as a result. More importantly, they need to know how disappointed we are in the ranks for letting something we once cherished into a laughingstock.

Sure...everyone fucks up at some point at work and drops the ball at work. So I'm willing to give Gary Webster and the TTC the benefit of the doubt. But I have to start seeing real change, and effective immediately. Otherwise, there thousands of people out there who have stories like mine and whose patience has long run out. Most of them have cameras, and all of them have the abiltity to call/write/visit the TTC and let hellfire fly.

So yeah, Gary, I appreciate the gesture. Now rally the loyal, decent, hard-working rank-and-file that make up the bulk of your staff, beatdown the inevitable blowback from the neanderthal union heads, and turf any idiots at any and all levels who can't (or won't) change with the times. Oh, and prepare to tough-out a long frosty spell with the average rider; we want to be proud of the TTC again...you just have to earn our trust back first.

As for LEE's comments...I don't think we should waste any time debating what thigns our our wishlist get addressed, and in what order. I think we simply demand better from every single TTC employee, and watch as the rising tide of professionalism floats ALL wants/needs higher.
saltspring replying to a comment from Sean / February 6, 2010 at 09:33 pm
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$2??? Wake up and smell the fragrant harbour in Hong Kong...now, C$2 would be ~$HK14, and I can go one hell of a lot farther on HK's MTR than the TTC. Plus, it's clean, efficient, helpful (even for a gwai lo), and totally safe. The TTC is for shame.
Tina / February 6, 2010 at 09:47 pm
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TTC is by far one of the worst transit systems in a metropolitan city. Even big cities that depend on buses perform better than TTC. There have been one too many close incidents with bikes and buses to be acceptable. Customer service is usually quite rude (though I'd have to admit I've experienced worse in other parts of the world) but TTC is consistently disappointing. I'm glad that the manager is issuing a public statement about the awful performing of TTC employees. I have experienced one too many bad situations, some of which I'm only witness to. The system needs a reform, especially if they're going to charge outrageous fare prices as they do. Compared to every other Canadian city, you get the least bang for your buck with the TTC. I hope to see some improvements.
bosses rule / February 6, 2010 at 09:58 pm
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I love the simplicity of the anti-union folks. Yes, once you introduce a union, all employees turn into jackasses and stop working, much to the dismay of highly motivated, highly educated, highly capable managers. Right, that's the story?

Let me tell you what happens in a unionized workplace. Management sits back and does nothing aside from becoming experts in blaming the union for everything negative that happens and still taking credit for their "leadership" for everything positive that happens. The truth is, in a unionized work environment, union and management form a terrible symbiotic relationship where NEITHER party does any real work aside from blaming the other party as a full-time job. Yes, unions are bad, but guess what? Managers in a unionized environment are even worse parasites (or at a minimum equal partners in crime).
James replying to a comment from Greg J. Smith / February 6, 2010 at 10:03 pm
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@Greg You'll have to forgive me if I have no sympathy for organizations that indirectly encourage laziness, under the guise of "protection" for the union members. If you think employees will work efficiently and productively, then why would they need a union? What employer would willingly fire someone who is a valuable asset to the organization?

Having a good understanding of economics doesn't equate to tunnel vision. However, your lack of understanding about the inefficiencies that unions introduce into the marketplace (not sure why you put it in quotes? You, as well as every other living person, is an active participant in the marketplace) is, almost by definition, tunnel vision. Whereas I look at the whole picture objectively, I suspect you like to ignore objectivity in favour of emotional thinking. What you fail to realize, is that if these lazy TTC employees were fired, you would be providing them with the opportunity to find a job that they love, and thus would be effective in it. By shielding these employees from the marketplace, the union is doing more harm to them than good.
gabriella / February 6, 2010 at 10:07 pm
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i call bullshit.
wanda hartot / February 6, 2010 at 10:08 pm
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I am collecting all pics and funny (not so funny) video about the TTC and putting in one place.
Please visit
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erica replying to a comment from wanda hartot / February 6, 2010 at 10:57 pm
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The 'living off the fat of the land' photos have nothing to do with customer service.
jeff / February 6, 2010 at 11:02 pm
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Mr. Webster I don't believe a word. And you have proven to me personally you are not going to change my beliefs with action.

I have personally written you about problems from empty, idling buses in the summer to the lack of repair of tracks resulting in corrugation, vibration and noise for 10 years and more. Have you ever responded? NO. Your own assistant was shocked when I spoke with her and assured me you would call... 7 months ago.

Your staff behave like yourself and other TTC execs. They slough off every comment, complaint or request. You have demonstrated by your own lack of response that that is the way to treat customers. And you do it every day. Nothing matters to TTC but itself. Not safety, not customers, not service. Just a lot of Brad Ross spin.

Your culture and its leadership are to quote Archie Bunker 'dead from the neck up'. Nothing will change on the TTC until you and your staff are all replaced.

If I sound angry at you I am because you personally failed me no differently than all your rude, sleeping, entitled staff.
Bah! replying to a comment from "seeped in"... riiiiight / February 6, 2010 at 11:04 pm
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contrary to popular belief the best move to make in PR is not to lie. especially in this day and age if changes aren't made everyone will know and releasing this statement will make the TTC look even worse.

it's one of the rules of crisis management, never lie and never release a statement that you can't back up.
gofigure / February 6, 2010 at 11:53 pm
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http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100206/TTC_Coffee_100206/20100206/?hub=TorontoNewHome

"In an email to media outlets, TTC spokesman Brad Ross said that the commission won't be responding to any more interview requests and would not comment on photos or videos taken by riders."

basically he is saying, our drivers attitudes suck and we have run out of excuses.
Evelyn / February 7, 2010 at 12:32 am
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Up until December 2009,there was a driver on the Christie bus that goes to St. Clair West would refuse to hand out transfers. I would get the bus just before 7:00 in the morning. I would put my ticket in and stretch my hand out and it took ages for him to hand me a transfer.I would go home at the end of the day and tell my family how annoying it was. I think he was was expecting riders to grovel in order to get a transfer. I made several attempts to phone in with a complaint.But since the new year, I have not seen the burly dark-straight-hair bully on tyhe early morning Christie bus.
Fed up / February 7, 2010 at 01:05 am
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i'm glad to see regular riders taking the extra step to expose the rot festering in the TTC. God knows the politicians and bureaucrats can't and won't do anything. As usual the mayor hasn't said a word about this. Miller is probably busy scrubbing the union bosses' shoes.

I'm also a fed up rider who experienced (and will continue to experience) the multitude of delays with late trains and buses. Almost daily, I've witnessed riders asking for directions only to get yelled at or ignored by TTC personnel.

unfortunately, I don't see how this problem can be fixed since none of them can be fired. So let's keep our video phones on standby because it's our only way to keep the lazy and arrogant, union somewhat honest.

jack replying to a comment from saltspring / February 7, 2010 at 01:21 am
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taipei subway is actually better than hk.. average cost of subway ride is about 70 cents to $1 cdn... the subway platform is way more spacious.. all have clean washrooms.. the washroom signs even tell you how many meters you are away from the nearest washroom in the station..plus there are incredible restaurants and food stores underground that actually serve amazing food at very low price
jackandcokewithalime / February 7, 2010 at 02:15 am
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It's the right statement, about a month too late. Anyway, lets see what happens. I know that our glorious and heroic public ttc watchdogs will continue to capture all incidents of ttc failure, so regardless of whether they do anything, we'll still be watching.

And I can't help but make one comment about the subliminal Giambrone manipulation in that statement..

"As Chief General Manager, I am ultimately accountable to our customers. As employees, you - and you alone - are accountable for your actions."

It sounds a bit convenient that suddely Webster, the Chief General Manager, is "ultimately responsible to our customers". Yes yes, it's not Adam Giambrone, the Chair of the TTC...right? And then the employees, who are "accountable for [their] actions". Again, it's not Adam Giambrone's lack of leadership...right?

http://jackandcokewithalime.blogspot.com/

wolfshades replying to a comment from b / February 7, 2010 at 09:10 am
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It could be much worse. To be sure, some of the horror stories mentioned in the comments here are inexcusable. Someone said that any other transit system in the world is better, and that it becomes front page news when the vehicle doesn't arrive on time. Not true. Check out the transit systems in France, notably Paris, where the operators stop their vehicles on a moment's notice and walk off of the job, often for the flimsiest of reasons, and counter to any end-of-contract dispute.

As bad as we sometimes have it, it could be worse.
wolfshades replying to a comment from Bubba / February 7, 2010 at 09:13 am
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Bubba, you're absolutely right. Whenever there's a bad attitude on the front lines, you can bet that the poisoned atmosphere has spread from the top on down. Whenever I walk into a place and get uniformly bad service, I *always* look to see what's happening in management. And I'm always right - there's usually at least one or two primadonnas who don't give a s**t about their employees and that make that fact quite clear.

Why, for example, did that one bus driver feel the need to take a seven minute break on his nightly Bathurst run? Could it be because he wasn't getting a break period?
wolfshades replying to a comment from James / February 7, 2010 at 09:17 am
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Sorry James but you're wrong. Union members can and do get fired. Trust me on this. The only problem in a unionized environment, is that management has to document everything and show just cause before an employee can be let go. It's an onerous process, and the steps are gradual. Many who believe unions are bad just want the right to fire an employee for the flimsiest of reasons, and on a whim. Unions make management accountable. Take a look at any union contract: you'll see the management-union agreed language in there for graduated discipline, leading up to termination.
Mark Dowling / February 7, 2010 at 10:17 am
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Yet another TTC fail: http://ipoint.to/jjnqj8
TokyoTuds / February 7, 2010 at 10:25 am
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I am willing to take Mr. Webster's statement at face value, but will also apply the old Reagan policy of "trust but verify". Riders need to keep a zero tolerance stance for a sustained period as stated above (such as 6 months). Keep filming and photographing, people, and make Mr. Webster deliver.
Randy / February 7, 2010 at 11:11 am
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If TTC employees treat customers like dirt, why are they so surprised to be treated the same way in return? I think few people reading this actually enjoy being mean to others, but a number of TTC staff bring it on themselves.

Suggestion to BlogTO: create a list of 50 ways the TTC can be improved. I'd like to see them actually wear their uniforms. In some cases on the Queen streetcar, the driver is so poorly dressed that it looks like some homeless person has taken control of the 501 !


TTC rider / February 7, 2010 at 11:28 am
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It's about time someone in TTC management addressed the attitude and performance problems of some (many) TTC employees-- drivers and subway booth operators being the most visible, and visibly rude, to the public.

I commend Mr. Webster and, as a rider, thank him for this initial attempt to deal with those problems. Hopefully it will not be a one-time bandaid, and he will continue to push for change within this most dismal of 'public service' institutions, the TTC.
Roger / February 7, 2010 at 12:34 pm
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In light of all these images popping up, I was reminded of < ahref="http://www.flickr.com/photos/wordfreak/2401807761/"; target="_blank">this photo</a> I took almost two years ago of what appears to be a TTC bus driver smoking on the job.
Yep replying to a comment from James / February 7, 2010 at 01:00 pm
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Exactly. If the union employees wouldn't be so protected from being punished for pathetic behaviour, maybe we wouldn't be having these problems right now. It's no wonder people refuse to take transit even when they can. Who wants to deal with stubborn, stuck up drivers day in and day out?
Yep replying to a comment from wolfshades / February 7, 2010 at 01:06 pm
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Yeah, so all that means is that the union workers know that management is lazy and won't want to fill out all the forms and evidence docs against an employee, so they know they are safe when they do stupid things in public sight. No one saying all the wrong is on the employees, but the employees are definitely not helping themselves in this matter. At all.
Scott / February 7, 2010 at 01:07 pm
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3 Memorable Moments on the TTC- Etobicoke Edition:

1- About 4 years ago, I was driving down Scarlett Road passing by the good old 79 Scarlett Bus and saw it pulled over in front of a KFC! There was one older lady at the back of the bus looking very confused as she was staring out the window. I could fully see the TTC driver standing in line waiting to place his order.

2- 35 Jane bus. It was night, raining hard and the bus was packed with people. The driver pulls over to a bus stop and a family gets on the bus with a baby in a stroller (this is the older bus that you had to take a couple steps to get on the bus). As the dad is struggling up the stairs, the TTC driver actually had the nerve to yell "Hurry up! I don't have all night!!!". I was SHOCKED. The man said "sorry, sorry" and hurried up the stairs with the huge stroller.

3- 79 Scarlet bus. I am halfway through the intersection, right across from my bus stop trying to catch the bus I see coming down Scarlet Road with another stranger. The bus drives past us in the pouring rain waving goodbye with a huge grin on his face(it gets worse). The lady beside me yells "asshole!" to the bus driving by. The bus driver then stops the bus. I thought he was letting me on so I ran to the bus and as I got to the door he drove off again and stopped, and made me run again. When he finally opened the door, he yells at me "you called me an asshole!" (referring to the stranger who was standing beside me at the bus stop and yelled asshole to him as he drove by waving". He finally lets me on the bus and I plead with him that I did not call him an asshole and he lectures me. I had a couple run-ins with him after..it was either he wouldn't give me a transfer when I asked or he would tell me I gave him incorrect bus fair when I totally gave him the right amount. He always gave me a hard time.

This behavior is appalling and TTC drivers are on a total power trip and think they can disrespect you and degrade you because there is no one else on the bus in charge but them.
James replying to a comment from wolfshades / February 7, 2010 at 01:38 pm
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@wolfshades I guess I wasn't clear. I am aware that union members CAN be fired. But the process you described is exactly the reason why the union create inefficiencies. There is no need for graduated discipline (that rarely leads to termination). If an employee is not doing their job, they should be terminated. Leave the three strikes to baseball where it belongs. I'll ask again. If an employee is effective and productive, why would an employer fire them? The only reason to fire an employee is if they are not a valuable asset to the organization. If you are not valuable to the organization, you have no right to be there. The union imposes a barrier to the effective management of the TTC.

On the subject of breaks. You cannot claim that operators do not get breaks, because labor laws require that employees get breaks. What you mean to say, is that the employees aren't getting the amount of breaks that they think they deserve, and so they are taking them anyways, knowing that the union will shield them from termination. In a non-unionized work environment, that is grounds for immediate termination, and rightfully so. If you think you deserve more than your employer is giving you, find a better job instead of stealing from your current employer. In case you didn't realize it, taking a unscheduled coffee break while on the clock is stealing from your employer. You are being paid for that time, while doing no work in return.

An employer needs to be able to fire anyone they want, provided that they abide by the rule of law (labour law in this case). This ability is necessary to ensure that businesses can remain efficient. But again, no manager would fire someone who is valuable to the organization. The only people who have to worry are the ones who aren't effective in their jobs. But those people do not deserve to be employed by that particular organization anyways. Let them find a new job in which they will be effective.
gsg / February 7, 2010 at 02:12 pm
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James' comment: "On the subject of breaks. You cannot claim that operators do not get breaks, because labor laws require that employees get breaks."
Actually James, the breaks that most TTC operators get are far less than what is typically mandated by labor laws. Some assignments don't even have any breaks built into them but the operator is expected to use judgement in taking a quick break if necessary. The way the TTC gets around the legislation is by having the union members agree to be exempt from the legislation regarding breaks. Complying with the legislation fully would require a system of relief drivers which would be extremely expensive.

Sleeping on the job and doing personal banking in the midst of a streetcar route are unacceptable. But I don't think a periodic 6-minute break (7 minutes minus 1 minute for arguing with the passengers) is unreasonable for an operator who is doing a shift with virtually no built in breaks. (Of course, the operator should COMMUNICATE with passengers about what he/she will be doing.)

The TTC may have a problem with 'customer service' of some front line. There are some problems related to the TTC being a system that isn't properly funded by the other levels of government. But it has a bigger problem in terms of the horrendous management decisions made over the years and the inability or unwillingness of TTC Commissioners (the politicians including current Chair Councillor Giambrone) to hold management accountable for using available resources wisely. The TTC's passenger count is about 1% higher than it was in 1989 -- but its staffing is 30% higher. I think the public is owed a full explanation for this beyond just the frequently cited claims that it's carrying more passengers than ever before. Yeah, there are more passenger trips -- 1% more not 30% more.
steve / February 7, 2010 at 02:39 pm
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gsg writes: "Actually James, the breaks that most TTC operators get are far less than what is typically mandated by labor laws. Some assignments don't even have any breaks built into them but the operator is expected to use judgement in taking a quick break if necessary. The way the TTC gets around the legislation is by having the union members agree to be exempt from the legislation regarding breaks. Complying with the legislation fully would require a system of relief drivers which would be extremely expensive."

Actually gsg, this is simply untrue. If you are in fact a TTC employee/operator and you believe this to be the case, I suggest you approach your local union rep to read out to you the details of your contract. The union could no more exempt itself from laws regarding break time than it could exempt itself from laws about discrimination or minimum wage.
gsg replying to a comment from steve / February 7, 2010 at 03:08 pm
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Steve, you are misinformed.. I know TTC operators and the exemption is based on agreement between the TTC and the union, a move that IS permissable under the legislation in exceptional circumstances.
parker replying to a comment from Evelyn / February 7, 2010 at 03:10 pm
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Ugh I hate the hide-the-transfer game. I find the Queen 501, which requires proof of payment, especially bad with drivers reluctant to give transfers. Why make us beg? Why pretend like you didn't hear please? Why act like you don't know what a transfer is or why my hand's still sticking out after I paid my fare. Only male drivers do this btw.
jack / February 7, 2010 at 03:44 pm
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we have money to bail GM, and money to rebuild Haiti.. but no money to improve our public transit and productivity...when haiti is done rebuilding, they will have a better subway than ours
R replying to a comment from parker / February 7, 2010 at 03:49 pm
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Drivers on the Queen 510 looking stunned when you ask for a transfer happens all the time! They are REQUIRED to give you a transfer automatically, since it is a Proof of Payment system.

I just love the streetcar drivers who look at you all weird when you ask for a transfer, as though you've just said something offensive about their mother. Then they look down, slowly, move the metal triangles denoting time on the transfer pad, slowly tear off a transfer, and give it to you as though they're passing you a used Kleenex.

Then there's the look they give you: the steely-eled stare reminiscent of Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry. "Go ahead, punk... take the transfer." Everytime they do this tough guy act, I feel like bursting out in laughter.. except there isn't anything funny about how pathetic the TTC has become.
Mark / February 7, 2010 at 05:00 pm
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Thanks for sharing Mr. Webster's memo. I deconstruct it <a href="http://whatisthemessage.blogspot.com/2010/02/message-to-ttcs-gary-webster-it-aint.html";>here</a>, noting that his entire last paragraph is wrong, sentence by sentence. Complaining about individual operators is not going to fix the problem; in fact, I suggest that it will make matters worse as the union and workers become increasingly more defensive, and management increasingly more reactionary.

What is needed is a major intervention in the organizational culture of the TTC, and this will take time, assuming - and this is a big assumption - that Gary Webster is willing to admit his own culpability in all of this, aside from his disingenuous "I'm ultimately responsible" claim.
Rachel / February 7, 2010 at 05:56 pm
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Apparent PR move. Instead of releasing a comment, release a strategic customer service plan.

It would be nice if the TTC put more effort in to streamlining their services for customers, instead of increasing fares and giving us nothing in return. Even the Metro Pass Discount Plan only saves people what? $10 a month? Thanks...?

Idea: Get rid of the "customer service" mentality when it comes to the employee's at the toll booths. Get rid of toll booth employee's and replace them with the systems they have in Europe. The less money spent on the TTC's "wonderful" employee's, equals more money for updates to the things that really matter; the subways and streetcars that actually transport us.
Solex replying to a comment from jamesmallon / February 7, 2010 at 06:48 pm
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I just wish that they could shut up about the TTC completely. The people who bitch about it are the one who most likely voted for Harris and then for his neocon lite replacement McGuinty, and expect better service. If they voted for the NDP or the Greens like they should have (especially in last week's election) they wouldn't have to worry about the so-called 'bad service' they think that they get from a transit commission that's increased bus service in the suburbs and a ton of other improvements that they choose to ignore. Instead, they do the same thing, and they get the same results.
Solex replying to a comment from jack / February 7, 2010 at 06:49 pm
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So then, why not get up off of your ass and move to Taipei?
Dave9845 / February 7, 2010 at 07:42 pm
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Do people use the complaints number?

I used it last week and my problem was solved the next day. Driver was making stops on an express bus (Picking up and dropping off passengers and making coffee stops) and no problems since.

It was nice to know they are listening.
a / February 7, 2010 at 07:53 pm
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Now maybe the streetcar drivers will actually adhere to schedule instead of stacking all the cars at one end of a loop so they can honk at their passing buddies. Fucking losers.
Simba replying to a comment from R / February 7, 2010 at 11:59 pm
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the funniest thing I have read in a while
ATP / February 8, 2010 at 12:27 am
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I think Jeff's comment above @ Fri Feb 6 11:02pm is insightful, about the writer behind this TTC memo.

What it seems none of you know - this memo coincidentally was issued one day after another major incident: Fri Feb 5th ~3:58pm northbound Spadina line, leaving Glencairn station, subway train operator comes on over the speaker system, blows twice into it to make sure it's clear / get people's attention, and says something to the effect of, "Hey bud, do us all a favour and jump next time. Thank you."

There is nothing that can make that acceptable.

Yes, I called the TTC complaints line to report it, and someone there took down the info. Making use of the complaints line has been a challenge in the past when I've gone to use it if it's after business hours Monday - Friday, something I think they ought to fix, make more open.
mick replying to a comment from parker / February 8, 2010 at 12:47 am
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Parker, I agree. What is it with male drivers who think they can simply ignore you or make you "earn" your transfer? They always have such a sour attitude.
Shaun / February 8, 2010 at 03:34 am
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The only people in the city who are worse than the TTC for service are those a-holes who work at the Beer Store. Both are an embarrassment to the city.
Get to know Rocco Rossi / February 8, 2010 at 08:05 am
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A video that will help you get to know THE REAL Rocco Rossi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLtyiafurQk
R replying to a comment from Shaun / February 8, 2010 at 09:14 am
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Agreed, some Beer Store employees are bad, but at least there is an alternative: buy beer at the LCBO, where you also get Air Miles, whoo!

As for alternatives to the TTC, there are none, which is why the system needs to shape up.

TTC employee logic defies me. How is taking photos of people slacking off "harassment"?
X / February 8, 2010 at 10:44 am
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Being married to a TTC employee, I can assure you that these guys take a lot of abuse. I've seen my husband go from being a mild mannered and very friendly young man to an easily angred and depressed person with serious health issues brought on by the stress of this job. Part of the issue is that while these guys have a union that enables them to get away with a lot, they are also not supported by management in the way of training or support for the everyday abuse and stress that they take from a large number of their customers. In fact, the abuse is to such an extent that the UofT is conducting studies of the effects of this on the staff and it has been likened to post-traumatic stress disorder. Coping skills training should be mandated for all staff and attendance required on a quarterly basis. This might help to alleviate the poor attitude of the staff as well as the vast amount of sick time being logged.
Meh replying to a comment from X / February 8, 2010 at 11:25 am
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And part of your spouse's union contract allows the use of - over-the-top health benefits (including psychological); and numerous paid sick days (has the TTC reached 130 <b>paid(/b> sick days yet?). Use it!!! Very few workers today have access to this kind of assistance. Still isn't happy at work? Type a resume and look for another job.
Solex replying to a comment from Meh / February 8, 2010 at 11:51 am
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Just goes to show how cold heartless assholes like you can make TTC employees feel like shit....
TTZZZ / February 8, 2010 at 12:11 pm
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Awww, poor TTC. Let me break out the world's smallest violin.
wolfshades replying to a comment from James / February 8, 2010 at 12:59 pm
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@James: I should provide a caveat here: I'm a supervisor in a union environment. Just so you know where I'm coming from. Yes, the process for disciplining an employee brings its own problems but I choose not to see everything in black and white. These are people we're talking about here, not defective TV sets. There are reasons for the way people behave, and not all of them have to do with laziness. The media showed us one side of the story in all of these cases - I'm always interested in the broader picture, and not just the one fed to us. I didn't, for example, claim that the employee didn't get any breaks during his shift - I asked the question, because I honestly don't know. He looked a little older - does he have a problem with incontinence? How would I know? How would you?

I believe in graduated discipline, once again because people are people and deserve second chances. I've never had to go that route with my employees because we treat each other as professionals.

The management-union system works, and I'm grateful.
Randy replying to a comment from X / February 8, 2010 at 03:25 pm
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My sympathies to your husband; I agree, some passengers are jerks (a friend of ours is a 25+ year driver, and he has been sworn at, threatened, the works. The only thing that sets him over the edge is when someone spits at him).

That said, a lot of jobs are stressful... not having a job is stressful. So is being a paramedic, a cop (Jane and Finch, anybody), a pilot, a lawyer, etc. Any any person in media how they feel right now with all the layoffs and outsourcing to India, and the last thing you'll hear is "relaxed."

Not everyone is cut out to work for the TTC as a driver. There's no shame in admitting that.
X replying to a comment from Meh / February 10, 2010 at 03:24 pm
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actually he gets 5 sick days a year and has to have a doctors note in order to be paid for them. His health benefits don't even have coverage for massage therapy or accupuncture which are pretty standard today. 'Walk a mile' before you pass judgement

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