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Should There Be a TTC Riders' Bill of Rights?
The TTC is looking to outside experts to help them improve customer service.
With the recent fare increase and a 15 per cent rise in rider complaints in 2009 (31,000 in total), most would agree that something needs to be done to enhance the experience of riding public transit in Toronto. But, the cynic in me wonders if this isn't just one big PR move. With ridership on the decline and customer dissatisfaction reaching alarming levels, this newfound commitment to better service rings a bit hollow.
And, with the cost sure to run into the tens of thousands (and probably much more) for private consulting services, I'm forced to wonder if there is -- ah hem -- a better way.
Despite the staggering number of customer complaints that serves as the putative impetus for the putting together of a blue-ribbon panel, I've yet to hear Adam Giambrone indicate that the commission plans on soliciting extended advice from its ridership in connection with this initiative.
On the other hand, he did drop a hint that an airline industry representative might be one of those appointed to address the problem. Judging by the recent experiences of countless fliers, such an individual will likely have a glut of experience to lean on.
But, I wonder if this is the best industry to turn to for help.
It wasn't so long ago, after all, that disgruntled fliers deemed it necessary to form the Coalition for an Airline Passengers' Bill of Rights. After numerous instances of customer neglect on planes stranded on runways, a small but vocal group decided that enough was enough.
Well, that group has grown to over 25,000 strong, received much media support/attention, and made significant strides toward holding airlines accountable for their actions. On December 21, 2009 the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) announced a new set of strict rules for the treatment of airline passengers.
Chief among them is the stipulation that airlines must let passengers off planes that have been stuck on the tarmac for three hours, regardless of whether airport gates are overbooked. Failure to comply with the DOT's policies will now result in fines of $27,500 per passenger.
While no one riding the TTC is likely to be stuck for three hours on a subway or a streetcar, the recent rash of subway line closures has surely seen some people's commutes delayed beyond the point of minor inconvenience. And if anecdotal evidence is to be trusted, the number of people who feel that they're consistently treated unfairly while riding the "rocket" is rapidly increasing.
Just the other day I was reading complaints from riders who are regularly forced to wait while streetcar and bus drivers stop to take unannounced breaks mid-route. I've experienced a few of these waits myself, some lasting as long as 20 minutes.
Should this be tolerated?
I appreciate that drivers are entitled to breaks and that the nature of their job makes it difficult to schedule them easily and conveniently, but the notion that it's acceptable for riders to sit trapped on a static bus for anything more than five minutes is ludicrous.
So perhaps the time has come to form a coalition for TTC rider rights.
There's been attempts to institute one in New York for a number of years. And Boston already has one that stipulates, amongst other things, that a delay lasting over 30 minutes is grounds for a refund of fare.
That this idea is less than revolutionary, however, is no reason to frown upon it. Given that the TTC is only now taking the step to review their customer service on a macro level, one could be forgiven for not holding his or her breath waiting on concrete results via self-governance.
When the first stories of passenger outrage at their plights on the tarmac came out in 1999, the airlines responded to the pressure with the Customer Service Initiative, a document that was squarely criticized by industry pundits for continuing to absolve the companies of any responsibility for customer service failings.
Will the TTC's soon-to-be appointed panel produce something of a similar shape -- lot's of pledges and promises, but nothing with any real teeth?
I strive to be level-headed and realistic when it comes to the shortcomings of the TTC. As such, I don't expect that commuting will be inconvenience-free. But, the funny thing is that it wouldn't take a whole lot to keep me happy. Hell, even a passenger bill of rights like the one found in taxicabs would be a start.
A little attentiveness goes a long way. For instance, an honest explanation and a heartfelt apology are often enough to quell the bitterness that wells up over the course of a long delay. And a mere smile from a fare collector can help to make the prospect of a long commute more palatable.
Most of us know a customer uprising won't be a cure for all that ails the TTC. Not only is the system chronically underfunded, but an enormous number of citizens rely on public transit so heavily that they're powerless to boycott it in a meaningful enough way to effect change.
Yet, it's also clear that the TTC continually fails to meet the minimum requirements of transparency and accountability that one should expect of a service-oriented organization. And given its track record, the chances that the recommendations of the panel in question -- even it is comprised of outside experts -- will finally mean that "the better way" lives up to its name are dubious at best.
So instead of engaging in yet another complaint-sharing therapy session, I'd be fascinated to hear what you think a hypothetical rider bill of rights should include. Refunds when a delay lasts longer than 30 minutes, as is the case in Boston? Consistent delay notifications for those waiting at station platforms for buses and streetcars? Better knowledge of routes and neighbourhoods on the part of drivers? Minimum standards of cleanliness? A free ride on your birthday?
Who knows, maybe somebody will actually listen.
Photos by Mike Campbell Photography and karenclaire, members of the blogTO Flickr pool.


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I thought ridership had shot way up in recent years, and that a decline was forecast due to the recent fare jump.
- right to actually hear the messages being said over the loudspeaker. I was at St. George a few weeks ago when they were evacuating the station due to a possible fire in the tunnel. People (including me) were still entering the station, and putting in a fare, only to walk down the stairs and try to hear the message over the loudspeaker that the station was being evacuated.
- right to be told BEFORE paying a fare that there is a significant delay or slow down.
- right to be spoken to in a professional and polite manner
I'm not sure how we would be compensated for these items, but implementing them feels like common sense
1) A basic level of cleanliness, bright lighting, etc -- washrooms in the TTC are disgusting.
2) Up to date signage that is actually useful -- again, the TTC now is like going into a McDonald's and seeing a menu from 15 years ago that has items they no longer carry, and doesn't have items on it that they now do.
3) A basic level of customer service and politeness from all staff. The guys behind the booths are ridiculous. A simple please and thank you and a human-level response to queries should be a default state, not something we have to fight for. I've gone out of my way on several occasions to help out tourists who were treated with utter contempt by the TTC staff.
The list could go on. But the very fact that the TTC needs an outside consultant to help them figure out the very basics of customer service, which somehow every other organization in Canada can manage, no matter how big or small, tells you that there is something very, very rotten at the core of the TTC.
1. Knows the major routes - I've had TTC drivers ask me which way to drive because they didn't review the route before starting their day.
2. Is courteous and provides assistance - I don't think anyone will disagree here.
3. Provides a safe ride - I witnessed a driver almost take out a father pushing a baby carriage the other day while making a right turn...he clipped him while he was crossing the street and had the right of way.
4. A quality vehicle that is in good mechanical and physical condition - how about the windows that don't open on the new hybrid buses? Try those on a 30 degree day!
5. Has a clean passenger area - I can't recall the last time I was on a bus/streetcar that wasn't absolutely PHILTHY.
• Full refund of fare for delays lasting more than 30 minutes on surface routes, more than 20 on the subway.
• Clear, correct and up to date signage and directions in all stations and printed/screen materials.
• All permanent and temporary signage in stations, vehicles, and waiting locations/shelters displayed in English, with French, Chinese, and Italian in smaller type. (Consideration should also be given for the location of services in specific ethnic neighbourhoods - i.e. Christie and Bathurst might have Korean. I don't have tourist statistics for Toronto, but they might also shape which secondary languages are used.)
• Clean stations, shelters, and vehicles.
• Barrier-free entry to all bus platforms, effective immediately, and barrier-free entry to all subways in all future/planned stations and renovations.
It is amazing to consider that minimum wage in McDonald's or WalMart given cleaner locations and better service than our expensive TTC system. This so-called panel will simply spend a lot of money on consulting fees and come out with toothless recommendations that will never be enforced. We need the government to step in because the TTC clearly can't police itself.
And on that matter, if Giambrone thinks he'll get my potential vote as a mayoral candidate after his ineffectual leadership at the TTC he has another thing coming.
I think transit in the GTA.. well at least the TTC and GO transit is a huge JOKE!
Don't you think a subway conductor could get off his or her rear end and announce why there's a stoppage on the subway? Don't you think the TTC could fix the perennial signal problems on the Yonge line? They don't care.
2. Refund for abuse of rude treatment from a transit worker
3. Bus delay information/explanation delivered by the drivers upon entering vehicles
4. No driver breaks in the middle of a route
5. A complaint process that has some semblance of accountability
6. Nastiness-free washrooms
7. Vehicles in decent working order
8. Operators obliged to help direct passengers
I just wish more of the employees would take some sort of pride in their work and make an effort to make things better rather than just worrying about their own rights. It borderlines hypocrisy.
-Passengers deserve to know if a vehicle is short turning sooner than the block before the vehicle kicks everyone off. Ideally the driver should know to anticipate when they are nearing the end of their shift and ensure the vehicle shows the proper short turn signage.
-Passengers should have the right not to be harassed by other passengers. It is the TTC's duty to remove disruptive passengers from their vehicles and property.
-TTC drivers should be required to provide all possible assistance to people with disabilities. Telling a blind guy 'dunno' in response to a question he really should have known the answer to is unacceptable. Someone with a dissability should have the right to ask the driver ahead of time to stop at a particular stop or let them know when they've reached a certain point.
- If people are denied entry onto a vehicle due to the vehicle being full the driver should be required to ensure the bus is -actually- full and not just a half dozen people crowding around the front entrance. Pressing the automated 'please move back' announcement and shrugging your shoulders when people don't move back isn't acceptable.
-Riders have the right to hear announcements over the PA and for those announcements to be frequent enough to be useful. PAs in stations and vehicles that do not work need to be replaced and annoucers need to speak in a clear manner and provide all necessary information.
For example:
Bad (annoucing once as the subway pulls into the stop): "There is no subway service between this station and station B. This subway is going out of service, please exit the vehicle"
Better (announcing periodically): "There is no subway service betwen Station A and Station B. This subway will be turning back at Station A.
Best and what should be required (announcing at every stop after people have boarded and before the train departs the station): "There is no subway service between Station A and Station B. This subway will be turning back at Station A. Shuttle buses will be opperating (out of bus bay 7[if known]/. Please see a TTC employee at Station A for shuttle bus location[if not]") OR "There are no shuttle buses opperating at this time, however the delay is only temporary"...etc
- I agree with the short turn issue Ryan L mentions. I should know before I get on the streetcar whether it's going all the way to the station. I've gotten on late at night before, making sure I was getting on at a safe (ie, well lit and lots of foot traffic) stop and getting off at a safe stop, only to be dropped at Dundas and Lansdowne: not so safe a stop late at night.
- rudeness: though there are many friendly and competent TTC workers, surly drivers are a real issue. Heaven forbid someone ask them a question regarding their route.
If all of the busses streetcars above ground vehicles have GPS in them, how much extra would it be to connect it to mobile devices? Perhaps this is in the works, but this would be super useful in terms of timing.
I honestly don't think you'll be able to fix the rude employees issue, people will be people, perhaps if there was a complaint system that we knew actually was addressed/ more people would feel comfortable in complaining (CONSTRUCTIVELY).
FYI, there is complaint form thats easy to fill out on the TTC website, that I have bookmarked on my phone. Perhaps if more people were more critical (constructive), more change might happen? Just the proposal to create this Bill of Rights/ customer coalition thing seems to be a result of a step towards a dialogue. Let's not sully this step with pessimistic attitudes towards a 'doomed problems thats never going to be fixed'.
I think there should be a couple things that could be implemented to keep people happy.
1. All non operators be non union, includes engineers, office staff, supervisors etc. Unions salaries are running huge overhead (look at the auto industry). Lower overhead = less fair hikes
2. Semi privatize the system, oversight by the government (municipal, provincial), but make it competitive (asia and europe already do so, some successfully some not so much).
3. Electronic based fare system. Why are we still using paper tickets?! I know the presto card is being "reviewed" by the TTC, but c'mon... Get that in place, eliminate waste. It will make it more efficient, I promise. ie fair collector sitting at yonge station with the gate open watching people put tickets and tokens in.
4. Clean air days, like in san francisco when the smog index goes above a certain level public transit is free (encouraging transit usage)
5. Implement something like VIVA has in its shelters, where the next bus is scheduled. A lot of time I wait for the bus for 20 min and 4 of them show up at once. Real time updates. Or perhaps a smartphone or web app that will do so. Cheaper to implement and enough people these days have a mobile device that are web capable
-real-time updates like Viva up in Vaughan at all major stops. Or at least an app that would do so. This way we can just flag a cab if we know the next bus/ streetcar won't be there for another 45 minutes.
-or, if they were to keep the current "scheduled times" posted at the stops, update them accurately. According to current signage, you shouldn't be waiting for more than 10 minutes at almost stops at any given time during the day; "FS" or "Frequent Service". We all know how untrue this is. At least if it said there is only a bus every 30 minutes in off-hours, we could know this and plan accordingly.
-clean washrooms.
-announcements when the subway stops randomly for no apparent reason for more than 5 minutes. And if the subway is stopping for an extended period of time, it should
a) let us know approximately how long we should be planning to stay there
b) bring us to the nearest station and open the doors so those of us who need to get off and take a cab the rest of the way can do so
c) apologize
-and finally, nicer people working in the booths
Example; Exiting Runnymede Station, I see an older lady trying to buy a Metropass from the ticket booth. She ask for one, and the collector, doesn't say anything, he just points to a piece of paper on the glass window. The lady doesn't understand, and asked again. This has drawn the attention of a few people now, because both the collector, again pointing at the sign and now saying 'LOOK AT THE SIGN, LADY', and the women are becoming upset.
By about the third, or fourth time of the lady asking for a metropass the collector finally blurts up, 'Look at the fucking sign, lady. We're sold out!', and she turns away and walks out of the station.
Likewise, I've seen plenty of lesser incidents, where drivers yell at people asking for a transfer on a bus/streetcar parked in a closed off station like Dundas West (not knowing they should get one from inside). Drivers that refuse to give directions, drivers that harass passengers over the loud speaker with sarcastic comments when the streetcar is full, and people are having issues getting on.
Pretty miserable customer service if you ask me.
buying fares from them is even hard. the guy at yonge & eglinton is such a douchebag and there not even polite also the diverting cars and shut down of subways. don't we get something to get back into the station. for the delays instead of paying extra fare? also delays in streetcars. i swear i waited almost 20 mins at bathurst station and nothing showed up. wtf. i used my token take the 7 bus back to bathurst station and i had to end up going all the way to spadina just to get home cuz there wasn't any streetcars running on the bathurst line.
Ultimately, no one seriously holds the TTC accountable because nobody cares.
Unless the monopoly ends, or the service providers (ticket takers, bus drivers, people who manage stations, TTC chair, anybody) are at risk of losing their jobs/bonuses then there will be no improvements.
http://www3.ttc.ca/Contact_Us/Complaints_Compliments_Suggestions/index.jsp
It is really things like this that will greatly improve everyones riding experience from the beginning and cut down on complaints.
A sloppy, shabby, handwritten sign taped the the glass bulkhead behind the driver, reading "REDUCE SHORT TURNS -- USE REAR DOORS TO EXIT"
Hey Brad Ross, is that sign an official, TTC-sanctioned communication? Moreover, is it an official TTC position that short-turns are the riders' fault?
I think we do need a Bill of Rights. Or at least, we need the TTC to ratchet up its standards.
What TTC employees (and Toronto Police Service officers) need is some serious customer service training. Hopefully, they will come to realize that the taxpayer is their customer and not merely an inconveniece.
Those pixel-board signs that they installed and then did nothing with at track level? Move them up to each subway entrance. Display realtime info on subway status. In other words, tell me if things are fucked up BEFORE I get on the damn subway.
For people coming in from out of town, this would also be a big help. During the whole ticket/token fiasco late last year after the fare hike, my father came into town and had NO idea what was going on, why his tokens didn't work. And of course the boothmonkey just snorted at him when he asked what was going on.
Information. Information. Information. Tell us what is going on so we can plan our ride (or alternate) accordingly. Would go a long, long way.
Ang On, above me, is clearly a TTC employee. Taste the bitterness.
Keep on taking pictures people. TTC staff work for us.
Funny how the chair of the TTC decides to run for mayor instead. Must be because of the bad press he's getting these days.
The TTC has no choice but to get revamped from the brass down to the unions. They are aware that we are genuinely pissed.
So many horror stories on this thread and unfortunately it's only a drop in the bucket.