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Should There Be a TTC Riders' Bill of Rights?

Posted by Derek Flack / January 21, 2010

TTC StationThe TTC is looking to outside experts to help them improve customer service.

With the recent fare increase and a 15 per cent rise in rider complaints in 2009 (31,000 in total), most would agree that something needs to be done to enhance the experience of riding public transit in Toronto. But, the cynic in me wonders if this isn't just one big PR move. With ridership on the decline and customer dissatisfaction reaching alarming levels, this newfound commitment to better service rings a bit hollow.

And, with the cost sure to run into the tens of thousands (and probably much more) for private consulting services, I'm forced to wonder if there is -- ah hem -- a better way.

Despite the staggering number of customer complaints that serves as the putative impetus for the putting together of a blue-ribbon panel, I've yet to hear Adam Giambrone indicate that the commission plans on soliciting extended advice from its ridership in connection with this initiative.

On the other hand, he did drop a hint that an airline industry representative might be one of those appointed to address the problem. Judging by the recent experiences of countless fliers, such an individual will likely have a glut of experience to lean on.

But, I wonder if this is the best industry to turn to for help.

It wasn't so long ago, after all, that disgruntled fliers deemed it necessary to form the Coalition for an Airline Passengers' Bill of Rights. After numerous instances of customer neglect on planes stranded on runways, a small but vocal group decided that enough was enough.

Well, that group has grown to over 25,000 strong, received much media support/attention, and made significant strides toward holding airlines accountable for their actions. On December 21, 2009 the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) announced a new set of strict rules for the treatment of airline passengers.

Chief among them is the stipulation that airlines must let passengers off planes that have been stuck on the tarmac for three hours, regardless of whether airport gates are overbooked. Failure to comply with the DOT's policies will now result in fines of $27,500 per passenger.

TTC DelayWhile no one riding the TTC is likely to be stuck for three hours on a subway or a streetcar, the recent rash of subway line closures has surely seen some people's commutes delayed beyond the point of minor inconvenience. And if anecdotal evidence is to be trusted, the number of people who feel that they're consistently treated unfairly while riding the "rocket" is rapidly increasing.

Just the other day I was reading complaints from riders who are regularly forced to wait while streetcar and bus drivers stop to take unannounced breaks mid-route. I've experienced a few of these waits myself, some lasting as long as 20 minutes.

Should this be tolerated?

I appreciate that drivers are entitled to breaks and that the nature of their job makes it difficult to schedule them easily and conveniently, but the notion that it's acceptable for riders to sit trapped on a static bus for anything more than five minutes is ludicrous.

So perhaps the time has come to form a coalition for TTC rider rights.

There's been attempts to institute one in New York for a number of years. And Boston already has one that stipulates, amongst other things, that a delay lasting over 30 minutes is grounds for a refund of fare.

That this idea is less than revolutionary, however, is no reason to frown upon it. Given that the TTC is only now taking the step to review their customer service on a macro level, one could be forgiven for not holding his or her breath waiting on concrete results via self-governance.

When the first stories of passenger outrage at their plights on the tarmac came out in 1999, the airlines responded to the pressure with the Customer Service Initiative, a document that was squarely criticized by industry pundits for continuing to absolve the companies of any responsibility for customer service failings.

Will the TTC's soon-to-be appointed panel produce something of a similar shape -- lot's of pledges and promises, but nothing with any real teeth?

I strive to be level-headed and realistic when it comes to the shortcomings of the TTC. As such, I don't expect that commuting will be inconvenience-free. But, the funny thing is that it wouldn't take a whole lot to keep me happy. Hell, even a passenger bill of rights like the one found in taxicabs would be a start.

Toronto Taxi cab bill of rightsA little attentiveness goes a long way. For instance, an honest explanation and a heartfelt apology are often enough to quell the bitterness that wells up over the course of a long delay. And a mere smile from a fare collector can help to make the prospect of a long commute more palatable.

Most of us know a customer uprising won't be a cure for all that ails the TTC. Not only is the system chronically underfunded, but an enormous number of citizens rely on public transit so heavily that they're powerless to boycott it in a meaningful enough way to effect change.

Yet, it's also clear that the TTC continually fails to meet the minimum requirements of transparency and accountability that one should expect of a service-oriented organization. And given its track record, the chances that the recommendations of the panel in question -- even it is comprised of outside experts -- will finally mean that "the better way" lives up to its name are dubious at best.

So instead of engaging in yet another complaint-sharing therapy session, I'd be fascinated to hear what you think a hypothetical rider bill of rights should include. Refunds when a delay lasts longer than 30 minutes, as is the case in Boston? Consistent delay notifications for those waiting at station platforms for buses and streetcars? Better knowledge of routes and neighbourhoods on the part of drivers? Minimum standards of cleanliness? A free ride on your birthday?

Who knows, maybe somebody will actually listen.


Photos by Mike Campbell Photography and karenclaire, members of the blogTO Flickr pool.

Discussion

55 Comments

Ratpick / January 21, 2010 at 10:10 am
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"With ridership on the decline..."

I thought ridership had shot way up in recent years, and that a decline was forecast due to the recent fare jump.
Derek / January 21, 2010 at 10:16 am
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Yes, on the decline post fare increase...given that it's already in place.
Joe Cool Sin Bitch / January 21, 2010 at 10:17 am
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The TTC needs to fire whoever is in charge of the budget and Adam Giambrone (however you spell his name). He can't run the TTC, yet he thinks he can run for mayor of Toronto. The new Sheppard line that they're going to build is going to be just like the subway line... cost way too much and end up being useless.
Brit / January 21, 2010 at 10:21 am
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The sad state of the TTC is a symptom of how badly broken Toronto is. I've done a lot of traveling over the past few years (Sydney, Paris, London, Hong Kong), and all of those cities put T.O. to shame in terms of urban planning, transit, etc.
muriel / January 21, 2010 at 10:29 am
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Bill of rights could include:
- right to actually hear the messages being said over the loudspeaker. I was at St. George a few weeks ago when they were evacuating the station due to a possible fire in the tunnel. People (including me) were still entering the station, and putting in a fare, only to walk down the stairs and try to hear the message over the loudspeaker that the station was being evacuated.
- right to be told BEFORE paying a fare that there is a significant delay or slow down.
- right to be spoken to in a professional and polite manner
I'm not sure how we would be compensated for these items, but implementing them feels like common sense

JOhn / January 21, 2010 at 10:45 am
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The problem is that the TTC has a really hard time getting even the BASICS right. No one is asking them to go above and beyond the call of duty. I'd be satisfied with the level of customer service one might find in a budget fast food restaurant, like a McDonalds.

1) A basic level of cleanliness, bright lighting, etc -- washrooms in the TTC are disgusting.
2) Up to date signage that is actually useful -- again, the TTC now is like going into a McDonald's and seeing a menu from 15 years ago that has items they no longer carry, and doesn't have items on it that they now do.
3) A basic level of customer service and politeness from all staff. The guys behind the booths are ridiculous. A simple please and thank you and a human-level response to queries should be a default state, not something we have to fight for. I've gone out of my way on several occasions to help out tourists who were treated with utter contempt by the TTC staff.

The list could go on. But the very fact that the TTC needs an outside consultant to help them figure out the very basics of customer service, which somehow every other organization in Canada can manage, no matter how big or small, tells you that there is something very, very rotten at the core of the TTC.
ttc hater / January 21, 2010 at 10:45 am
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TTC = Take the Car
Val / January 21, 2010 at 10:46 am
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With the recent news of TTC hiring external consultants to assess customer service issues, it's clear that they are just playing appearances and politics. Go ahead, take the ttcsurvey.ca - the questionnaire is about the digital displays in the system. They are gathering data to sell more digital ad space instead of using the survey to accurately assess what riders really think of the system. A month or so ago I wrote about a collector that solved crosswords each day instead of looking at fares: http://www.new-media.ca/blog/ttc-collector-the-best-job-in-the-world/ He was quickly replaced with series of other attendants that wear sunglasses so that they can take naps or solve crosswords unnoticed. Nothing will change at TTC unless their leadership and unions change.
Walter / January 21, 2010 at 10:50 am
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I think a lot of the items from the Taxicab Passenger Bill or Rights could be applied to the TTC:

1. Knows the major routes - I've had TTC drivers ask me which way to drive because they didn't review the route before starting their day.
2. Is courteous and provides assistance - I don't think anyone will disagree here.
3. Provides a safe ride - I witnessed a driver almost take out a father pushing a baby carriage the other day while making a right turn...he clipped him while he was crossing the street and had the right of way.
4. A quality vehicle that is in good mechanical and physical condition - how about the windows that don't open on the new hybrid buses? Try those on a 30 degree day!
5. Has a clean passenger area - I can't recall the last time I was on a bus/streetcar that wasn't absolutely PHILTHY.
jack / January 21, 2010 at 10:58 am
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TTC is really helping blogto to provide content.. without all the subway problems most news outlets will have nothing to talk about
Askmontreal / January 21, 2010 at 10:59 am
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They should ask Montreal transit for help, Montreal transit is much better then the TTC. Sure montreal does have their own problems, but still better service over all.
rek / January 21, 2010 at 11:14 am
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• Notification of existing and expected delays/cancellations prior to paying/entry, at stations and before boarding vehicles.

• Full refund of fare for delays lasting more than 30 minutes on surface routes, more than 20 on the subway.

• Clear, correct and up to date signage and directions in all stations and printed/screen materials.

• All permanent and temporary signage in stations, vehicles, and waiting locations/shelters displayed in English, with French, Chinese, and Italian in smaller type. (Consideration should also be given for the location of services in specific ethnic neighbourhoods - i.e. Christie and Bathurst might have Korean. I don't have tourist statistics for Toronto, but they might also shape which secondary languages are used.)

• Clean stations, shelters, and vehicles.

• Barrier-free entry to all bus platforms, effective immediately, and barrier-free entry to all subways in all future/planned stations and renovations.
stuart / January 21, 2010 at 11:18 am
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What is the point in a bill of rights, if you cant enforce it. This is a classic band aid over an open wound - gangrene will set in and then we need to amputate. What we need is a proper overhaul before all is lost - that means tackling the staff & unions.
Rico's General Opinion / January 21, 2010 at 11:24 am
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I think this article is just trollbait as we all know how much BlogTO readers like to sit and bitch passively from their cushy government desk jobs.

Brian / January 21, 2010 at 11:42 am
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Agree with Stuart. Nothing matters until there is an overhaul at the TTC. The Union has no interest in changing unless it it forced and there is no signs anyone will force them. The Union has repeatedly given the public the middle finger, last year with the wildcat walkout and every day with wretched service.

It is amazing to consider that minimum wage in McDonald's or WalMart given cleaner locations and better service than our expensive TTC system. This so-called panel will simply spend a lot of money on consulting fees and come out with toothless recommendations that will never be enforced. We need the government to step in because the TTC clearly can't police itself.

And on that matter, if Giambrone thinks he'll get my potential vote as a mayoral candidate after his ineffectual leadership at the TTC he has another thing coming.
rebecca / January 21, 2010 at 12:12 pm
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How can you increase fares for commuters then turn around and spend money on a consulting firm to answer questions that don't need answering. Ask the people what they want--even though the TTC knows this from the feedback they have gotten from commuters.
I think transit in the GTA.. well at least the TTC and GO transit is a huge JOKE!
RKMK replying to a comment from Val / January 21, 2010 at 12:14 pm
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Colchester / January 21, 2010 at 12:25 pm
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Totally agree on a TTC Riders Bill of Rights. However, agree with Stuart. This is a classic example of a public sector monopoly for the benefit of incompetent management and unions. Why bother with the customer.

Don't you think a subway conductor could get off his or her rear end and announce why there's a stoppage on the subway? Don't you think the TTC could fix the perennial signal problems on the Yonge line? They don't care.
Dawn replying to a comment from Rico's General Opinion / January 21, 2010 at 12:31 pm
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You included!
Paul / January 21, 2010 at 12:33 pm
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I hope all of the people complaining have written to their MPs and MPPs to demand better funding for transit. All those other transit systems that people point to as being better run are also substantially better funded by higher-order governments.
Christine / January 21, 2010 at 12:33 pm
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1. Refunds for delays over 30 min.

2. Refund for abuse of rude treatment from a transit worker

3. Bus delay information/explanation delivered by the drivers upon entering vehicles

4. No driver breaks in the middle of a route

5. A complaint process that has some semblance of accountability

6. Nastiness-free washrooms

7. Vehicles in decent working order

8. Operators obliged to help direct passengers

Simba / January 21, 2010 at 12:33 pm
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What a silly question. Yes of course there should be some sort of bill of rights..the government should make them accountable for the type of work the union and non union employees do.

I just wish more of the employees would take some sort of pride in their work and make an effort to make things better rather than just worrying about their own rights. It borderlines hypocrisy.
Ryan L. / January 21, 2010 at 12:39 pm
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-Chatting on a cellphone, hands free or not should be grounds for dismissal. Period.

-Passengers deserve to know if a vehicle is short turning sooner than the block before the vehicle kicks everyone off. Ideally the driver should know to anticipate when they are nearing the end of their shift and ensure the vehicle shows the proper short turn signage.

-Passengers should have the right not to be harassed by other passengers. It is the TTC's duty to remove disruptive passengers from their vehicles and property.

-TTC drivers should be required to provide all possible assistance to people with disabilities. Telling a blind guy 'dunno' in response to a question he really should have known the answer to is unacceptable. Someone with a dissability should have the right to ask the driver ahead of time to stop at a particular stop or let them know when they've reached a certain point.

- If people are denied entry onto a vehicle due to the vehicle being full the driver should be required to ensure the bus is -actually- full and not just a half dozen people crowding around the front entrance. Pressing the automated 'please move back' announcement and shrugging your shoulders when people don't move back isn't acceptable.

-Riders have the right to hear announcements over the PA and for those announcements to be frequent enough to be useful. PAs in stations and vehicles that do not work need to be replaced and annoucers need to speak in a clear manner and provide all necessary information.

For example:
Bad (annoucing once as the subway pulls into the stop): "There is no subway service between this station and station B. This subway is going out of service, please exit the vehicle"

Better (announcing periodically): "There is no subway service betwen Station A and Station B. This subway will be turning back at Station A.

Best and what should be required (announcing at every stop after people have boarded and before the train departs the station): "There is no subway service between Station A and Station B. This subway will be turning back at Station A. Shuttle buses will be opperating (out of bus bay 7[if known]/. Please see a TTC employee at Station A for shuttle bus location[if not]") OR "There are no shuttle buses opperating at this time, however the delay is only temporary"...etc
Sam / January 21, 2010 at 01:06 pm
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- real time information being available at streetcar/bus stops. I have waited 30+ minutes (an hour, on one occasion) before finally deciding to walk or take a cab, only to find out that the route had been shut down. There should be a way to communicate to people waiting at stops, especially in winter. Not everyone has the option to walk, and could be waiting indefinitely with no information.

- I agree with the short turn issue Ryan L mentions. I should know before I get on the streetcar whether it's going all the way to the station. I've gotten on late at night before, making sure I was getting on at a safe (ie, well lit and lots of foot traffic) stop and getting off at a safe stop, only to be dropped at Dundas and Lansdowne: not so safe a stop late at night.

- rudeness: though there are many friendly and competent TTC workers, surly drivers are a real issue. Heaven forbid someone ask them a question regarding their route.

A. non / January 21, 2010 at 01:21 pm
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Out-sourcing to a "blue-ribbon panel" huh? I wonder which son/daughter/niece/nephew/"good friend" of a politician is being appointed/being "recommended" for this panel. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, know what I mean?
Mal / January 21, 2010 at 01:37 pm
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I guess outsourcing is okay for the TTC as long as it's not called "contracting out."
JM / January 21, 2010 at 01:43 pm
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I second the' real time info issues being necessary', and probably would take the hassle off drivers announcing everything. I really don't mind more ad/infotainment boards as long as it has those train time/delay announcements running at the bottom. Obvi it'd be ideal to not have to have ads, but if that means its going to have up to date info in the trains, timelines etc, Id be willing to suffer. Alternately London has simple LED train time info boards( and yes perhaps these arn't always correct, but they did help in terms of planning alternate routes if need be) (and yes, these will cost money if they are to be ad free)

If all of the busses streetcars above ground vehicles have GPS in them, how much extra would it be to connect it to mobile devices? Perhaps this is in the works, but this would be super useful in terms of timing.

I honestly don't think you'll be able to fix the rude employees issue, people will be people, perhaps if there was a complaint system that we knew actually was addressed/ more people would feel comfortable in complaining (CONSTRUCTIVELY).

FYI, there is complaint form thats easy to fill out on the TTC website, that I have bookmarked on my phone. Perhaps if more people were more critical (constructive), more change might happen? Just the proposal to create this Bill of Rights/ customer coalition thing seems to be a result of a step towards a dialogue. Let's not sully this step with pessimistic attitudes towards a 'doomed problems thats never going to be fixed'.
Jansen / January 21, 2010 at 01:48 pm
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A bill of rights will be pointless unless there is strict enforcement. Implementation of that will be quite difficult, more hires = more overhead.
I think there should be a couple things that could be implemented to keep people happy.
1. All non operators be non union, includes engineers, office staff, supervisors etc. Unions salaries are running huge overhead (look at the auto industry). Lower overhead = less fair hikes
2. Semi privatize the system, oversight by the government (municipal, provincial), but make it competitive (asia and europe already do so, some successfully some not so much).
3. Electronic based fare system. Why are we still using paper tickets?! I know the presto card is being "reviewed" by the TTC, but c'mon... Get that in place, eliminate waste. It will make it more efficient, I promise. ie fair collector sitting at yonge station with the gate open watching people put tickets and tokens in.
4. Clean air days, like in san francisco when the smog index goes above a certain level public transit is free (encouraging transit usage)
5. Implement something like VIVA has in its shelters, where the next bus is scheduled. A lot of time I wait for the bus for 20 min and 4 of them show up at once. Real time updates. Or perhaps a smartphone or web app that will do so. Cheaper to implement and enough people these days have a mobile device that are web capable
shay replying to a comment from muriel / January 21, 2010 at 01:53 pm
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I totally agree with your statement the "right to be spoken to in a professional and polite manner", I can't tell you how many times I have asked for help from TTC employees who give you attitude. It's completely disrespectful.
agentsmith / January 21, 2010 at 02:38 pm
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The TTC is in shambles, to put it mildly. The entire system looks decades old and crumbling, the administration is bloated and incompetent, and the union/employees are bloated and selfish. They may be "chronically underfunded", but no one is better than the TTC at pissing away money... they're masters at taking a $1 job and blowing $2 to $5 on it. My employer does consulting work for the TTC, and believe me, we could fill a book with examples of ridiculous waste and general retardation on the part of both the administration and the union.
lily / January 21, 2010 at 03:23 pm
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I agree with most of the suggestions made. Especially:

-real-time updates like Viva up in Vaughan at all major stops. Or at least an app that would do so. This way we can just flag a cab if we know the next bus/ streetcar won't be there for another 45 minutes.

-or, if they were to keep the current "scheduled times" posted at the stops, update them accurately. According to current signage, you shouldn't be waiting for more than 10 minutes at almost stops at any given time during the day; "FS" or "Frequent Service". We all know how untrue this is. At least if it said there is only a bus every 30 minutes in off-hours, we could know this and plan accordingly.

-clean washrooms.

-announcements when the subway stops randomly for no apparent reason for more than 5 minutes. And if the subway is stopping for an extended period of time, it should
a) let us know approximately how long we should be planning to stay there
b) bring us to the nearest station and open the doors so those of us who need to get off and take a cab the rest of the way can do so
c) apologize

-and finally, nicer people working in the booths

JLanky / January 21, 2010 at 03:37 pm
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There's plenty wrong with the actual operation of vehicles (unannounced delays, streetcar drivers and their randoms stops for snacks), but I'd just take friendly service over any of it. Ticket booth collectors, and bus drivers have to be the most rude people in the city.

Example; Exiting Runnymede Station, I see an older lady trying to buy a Metropass from the ticket booth. She ask for one, and the collector, doesn't say anything, he just points to a piece of paper on the glass window. The lady doesn't understand, and asked again. This has drawn the attention of a few people now, because both the collector, again pointing at the sign and now saying 'LOOK AT THE SIGN, LADY', and the women are becoming upset.

By about the third, or fourth time of the lady asking for a metropass the collector finally blurts up, 'Look at the fucking sign, lady. We're sold out!', and she turns away and walks out of the station.

Likewise, I've seen plenty of lesser incidents, where drivers yell at people asking for a transfer on a bus/streetcar parked in a closed off station like Dundas West (not knowing they should get one from inside). Drivers that refuse to give directions, drivers that harass passengers over the loud speaker with sarcastic comments when the streetcar is full, and people are having issues getting on.

Pretty miserable customer service if you ask me.
exlibris / January 21, 2010 at 04:15 pm
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Please keep in mind that about 85-95% of front-line operators and collectors do *not* live in this city. They drive in from Barrie, Ajax, Pickering, and Mississauga and such places and basically think the city is full of filthy animals (read into that what you will) and treat people accordingly. This is a fact the TTC does *not* want you to know about, and the result is a workforce that could not care less about the city and the operation of the system. So this "survey" is window-dressing, pure and simple.
piccola / January 21, 2010 at 05:52 pm
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In exchange for the higher fares, could we please get hop-on, hop-off transfers? It's ridiculous that I have to pay two fares if I need to, say, drop off books at the Gladstone library on my way home.
serena / January 21, 2010 at 06:31 pm
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theres plenty wrong with the ttc.
buying fares from them is even hard. the guy at yonge & eglinton is such a douchebag and there not even polite also the diverting cars and shut down of subways. don't we get something to get back into the station. for the delays instead of paying extra fare? also delays in streetcars. i swear i waited almost 20 mins at bathurst station and nothing showed up. wtf. i used my token take the 7 bus back to bathurst station and i had to end up going all the way to spadina just to get home cuz there wasn't any streetcars running on the bathurst line.
David McKenna / January 21, 2010 at 06:40 pm
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The reality is, they have a monopoly and it doesn't really matter if they lose customers or customers feel unsatisfied. Not only do they have a monopoly, but it's the government so they don't even have to satisfy the owner/shareholders or anybody.

Ultimately, no one seriously holds the TTC accountable because nobody cares.

Unless the monopoly ends, or the service providers (ticket takers, bus drivers, people who manage stations, TTC chair, anybody) are at risk of losing their jobs/bonuses then there will be no improvements.
Shawn / January 21, 2010 at 06:43 pm
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All I want is to have delays properly communicated (they seemingly never update the mobile alerts or delays on ttc.ca even when streetcars get into major accidents, the speakers on subway trains and streetcars are nearly inaudible, etc.) and for streetcar service to not be so slow and unreliable...
agentsmith / January 21, 2010 at 06:52 pm
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The article about the Queen streetcar line from a couple days ago tells you all you need to know about how much the TTC and the operators give a shit about the riders. Why pay drivers overtime to complete their route or change them mid-route when you can just "short-turn" or go out-of-service? I mean, it's not like you're trying to provide a service or anything.
Jenny / January 21, 2010 at 08:19 pm
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Perhaps you should all be sending these comments to the ttc directly, you know... so they know why we can't stand the service and that there are many of us who are fed up!

http://www3.ttc.ca/Contact_Us/Complaints_Compliments_Suggestions/index.jsp
Kanye / January 21, 2010 at 10:20 pm
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Hire staff that aren't miserable sons of bitches for starters.

Ang / January 21, 2010 at 10:32 pm
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The problem with most TTC riders is that they forget too put there brain in gear before engageing their mouths.TTC patrons have no transit ettiquet what so ever.They do not realize how much they slow down service.1-No fare ready when boarding.2-Useing front doors to exit the vehicle.(Like little children they have to be asked to use rear doors)even though there are signs requesting this.3-They are like cows who follow the first one when entering the vehicle as in streetcars yet ummmmmmmmm there are 2 DOORS.4- most are too stupid too read the huge signs that are on all vehicles stateing it"s destination.5-They always seem too shoot their yaps when leaveing the vehicle at their stop to the driver,instead of informing their elected official in their area(That takes a lot of balls especially when exiting the vehicle)6-It seems to me that most drivers and I am not saying all treat the passengers the same way they are treated.(B an ahole and u get treated like one seems)7-About the expense part I see many people who do not put in the proper fare or enter by the rear doors with no fare.or say this is all I have.Yey they just put there smoke out or are drinking a coffee.Or better yet smell like booze or weed(LOL).Maybe just maybe if some of these suggestions are followed it will help things move along faster.8-Maybe just maybe you should take a step back and think aout thing before you go shooting your collective mouths off about things you probabley don't no about and especially have no idea about.Stop being all about you and think of All others,even if it is just for a second or two.P.S.-Don't blame it on the drivers,they are just driveing as safe as possible under extreme conditions and going by the instructions given too them.Like I said most riders have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to transit.It is all about THEM to THEM and no one else.What I find particularrly weird is the stupid questions.Example-Snow storm.Why are you late.Uh DUH.And the list goes on.Thanks and good luck with that rider union or whatever.Wake up all and smell the coffee.S happens so deal with it as this is just a weeeeeeeee bump in the road and nothing too get all hoy and bothered about.There is more too life than listening to cronic complainers.By the way life is short.Thanks all and very good luck in your endeavour.
mouse replying to a comment from Ang / January 21, 2010 at 10:49 pm
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Sorry Ang, but it's just really difficult to respect your opinion when your lack of proper spelling and sentence construction suggests that you are an idiot.
Ang replying to a comment from mouse / January 21, 2010 at 11:15 pm
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That explains my whole story there.I never said I was an english major.Or expert typer.See another that forms opinions and shoots their mouth off before they get both sides of a situation.Always two sides.IDIOT.But thanks anyways. now go figure it out which ugh I no you can't.LOL
Eric / January 22, 2010 at 01:20 am
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Honestly, I'd just like to see staff that is pleasant. I know not EVERY ttc staff will be pleasant all the time, sure we all have bad days. Right now i can honestly count on my fingers the number of staff that i have run into that were even MOSTLY pleasant, if not all the way.

It is really things like this that will greatly improve everyones riding experience from the beginning and cut down on complaints.
Ratpick / January 22, 2010 at 09:25 am
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Spotted on my streetcar this morning:

A sloppy, shabby, handwritten sign taped the the glass bulkhead behind the driver, reading "REDUCE SHORT TURNS -- USE REAR DOORS TO EXIT"

Hey Brad Ross, is that sign an official, TTC-sanctioned communication? Moreover, is it an official TTC position that short-turns are the riders' fault?

I think we do need a Bill of Rights. Or at least, we need the TTC to ratchet up its standards.




Lyle / January 22, 2010 at 09:50 am
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CUSTOMER SERVICE!

What TTC employees (and Toronto Police Service officers) need is some serious customer service training. Hopefully, they will come to realize that the taxpayer is their customer and not merely an inconveniece.
N / January 26, 2010 at 04:24 pm
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I have taken Toronto, Mississauga, Brampton, York Region Transit, GO Bus, GO Train, and out of the 6 listed here Toronto is by far the worst in customer service and cleanliness. Something need to be done and done in a hurry about situation like this. Because of striking issues such as this, I rather charter a cab or give someone gas money to take me to Toronto just to escape taking the bus.
Ryan / January 28, 2010 at 10:51 am
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I think simple notification would go a long way.

Those pixel-board signs that they installed and then did nothing with at track level? Move them up to each subway entrance. Display realtime info on subway status. In other words, tell me if things are fucked up BEFORE I get on the damn subway.

For people coming in from out of town, this would also be a big help. During the whole ticket/token fiasco late last year after the fare hike, my father came into town and had NO idea what was going on, why his tokens didn't work. And of course the boothmonkey just snorted at him when he asked what was going on.

Information. Information. Information. Tell us what is going on so we can plan our ride (or alternate) accordingly. Would go a long, long way.
Ryan / January 28, 2010 at 10:52 am
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Also...

Ang On, above me, is clearly a TTC employee. Taste the bitterness.
Lyle / January 28, 2010 at 11:34 am
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I would like to see a greater discount on the montly TTC pass. Under the present pricing structure, if you ride only on weekdays, some months it is better to buy tokens that a pass. This does not make sense. In Edmonton, a ride costs $2.75 versus $3 here. However, a monthly pass in Edmonton is ONLY $81 versus $121 here, a $40 difference! There should be more incentive/reward here to buy the monthly pass.
Benedict replying to a comment from Brit / January 28, 2010 at 12:43 pm
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cannot agree more
Sean replying to a comment from Lyle / January 28, 2010 at 03:24 pm
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The taxpayer is not their customer, WE ARE THEIR EMPLOYERS. WE PAY THEIR SALARIES
Sean / January 28, 2010 at 03:36 pm
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Token machines in malls.

Keep on taking pictures people. TTC staff work for us.

Funny how the chair of the TTC decides to run for mayor instead. Must be because of the bad press he's getting these days.

The TTC has no choice but to get revamped from the brass down to the unions. They are aware that we are genuinely pissed.

So many horror stories on this thread and unfortunately it's only a drop in the bucket.
Pepper replying to a comment from Ang / February 6, 2010 at 03:11 pm
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I actually agree with Ang On's January 21st assessment of the brain capacity of TTC riders.By the time I get to work every morning, I want to punch someone..just as a result of my daily commuting experience. STUPID RIDERS are the #1 problem on the TTC, Idiots that block doors at heavy traffic stops..uh like Yonge/Bloor...when masses of rush hour commuters exit the trains - and they just stand there looking like the moron they are. Self absorbed teenagers who think stair traffic only goes one way and the poor souls who happen to be going the opposite way of the masses get crushed. Catatonic mommy's who think rush hour is a good time to teach junior how to master walking up/down stairs....and my all time favorite....the 300 lb heffer who, what, doesn't realize? their giant size ass doesn't fit squished into the middle seat of a 3-seat row on the subway....note to those pigs: YOUR ASS DOESN'T FIT, STOP SITTING ON ME!!!!!Clearly the brain dead passengers are the problem, and no I don't work for the TTC, lucky for me given my daily desire to choke the living shit out of some selfish halfwit, I work in a hospital!!
Pat T / February 18, 2010 at 11:08 am
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I agree - hiring operators who actually live in Toronto might improve customer service.

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