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The Fight Over, and Future of St. Clair West and Caledonia

Posted by Rick McGinnis / September 23, 2009

St. Clair West and Caledonia, looking northwestThe corner of St. Clair West and Caledonia has never been a particularly pretty intersection, but it does offer a snapshot of the sort of mixture of activity that made Toronto an industrious town, despite the aesthetics. A new study being initiated by the city, however, might change all of that, and it's making tempers flare all around the neighbourhood.

The public phase of the study began last week, with a meeting at City Hall between planning officials and landowners concerning a lopsided rectangle of land on the western side of the intersection. Officially, the study is an adjunct to the Avenue study for St. Clair West, meant to "create new housing and job opportunities while improving the pedestrian environment, the look of the street, shopping opportunities and transit service for community residents," and it continues next month with a community meeting and design charette.

The focus, however, is on the block of "employment areas" on the northern edge, dominated by New Sabby Concrete & Supplies, a cement mixing yard that's been in operation there for three decades - photos from the city archives show a coal yard in operation at the site in the 1920s. Owner Filipe Francisco wasn't at the meeting, but wonders if it's just the latest front in a long skirmish with locals. "Who knows if somebody is behind all this and trying to get us out of here, so they can build," he tells me. "There's huge money behind the scenes, but how can you prove that?"

New Sabby concrete yardNew Sabby's landlord, Pino Curtoso, says that Ward 17 councillor Cesar Palacio has been trying to force New Sabby out for years, and recently made an unprecedented appeal to a provincial ruling that the concrete yard, which is deemed in legal non-conformance with city zoning, was in compliance with environmental regulations. "I can really feel for the residents," he says. "It would be a really nice thing to see a retirement home, some commercial on the bottom or condos."

With the western edge of the properties bounded by the CN/GO rail corridor, it would seem an unattractive spot for development, but an application to the city for 52 stacked townhouse units has been filed immediately to the south, where Darrigo's, a grape wholesaler, has done business for years, and condo developments have been completed near Davenport. Space for new construction is at a premium in Toronto, and the rail corridors, long since deprived of their industrial function, are suddenly attractive.

The city planning office wasn't returning calls yesterday, though an official from the office insisted off the record that the study was speculative. Curtoso says that he isn't convinced. "This is Canada, man," he complains. "It's not frickin' Russia. You can't just kick somebody out. These guys have been there, they've been doing business. You want them to move, you sit down at the table and ask how much it's going to cost to set up a new plant and move. That's the way things should been done, but what they've been doing up to this point has been disgraceful."

St. Clair and Caledonia in 1927

St. Clair and Caledonia in 2009

Discussion

24 Comments

mikeb / September 23, 2009 at 10:31 am
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It's ironic that this is happening at St Clair W and Caledonia. A short distance away near Keele and St Clair W the city (eventually supported by the OMB) wouldn't allow condos build on the old Benjamin Moore Paint plain because they wanted it retained for the traditional industrial use.
gadfly / September 23, 2009 at 10:33 am
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This city won't be happy until every high paying job (other than the leaches in the Civil Service, the robber barons on Bay St. and the condo developers themselves) are driven (literally) out of the city.
In it's rush to 'gentrify' every damned neighborhood, the high paying jobs are being forced out of the city. Ironically, in it's quest to put a bicycle in every driveway, by driving these jobs out of the city, they are only going to force more people to get cars to drive OUT of the city to get to their jobs. Exhibit A is the virtual gridlock on the Gardiner in BOTH directions in the morning and evening.

St. Clair W used to be one of the few arterial roads in the city that actually moved beyond a snail's pace, but then that is exactly why the city is hell-bent on destroying it: cars and trucks can actually use it! Gasp!

It is both frightening and disgusting that the city is embracing the cause du jour and passing up many opportunities to fix the planning mistakes of the early 20th Century: our 4-lane road system is wholly inadequate for a city of 3 million, let alone the 4 or 5 million that it will become.
Case in point, is the disaster of Keele St., which does a contortionist dance from Roger's Rd, joining Weston Rd. (thus assuming 2 major streets worth of traffic), then slamming into all the new development at St. Clair. What a joke - and what an opportunity lost.
Mark my words, 20 years from now (when yet another generation of urban planners is disgourged from the bowels of York, Ryerson, etc.) will wring their hands in disgust and have to 'undo' the damage being done on this city now.
Mara / September 23, 2009 at 11:51 am
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As a Ryerson Planning grad, a developer AND a local resident of the St. Clair/Caledonia neighbourhood I must say:

Take a look at the state of this neighbourhood.
It is in ramshackles.
It is surrounded by industrial, rail, 'legal non-conforming'.
The TTC project has forced businesses to shut down.

Of course local residents don't want a cement operation abutting a residential neighbourhood! It doesn't take a behind the scenes investor to bring that point to the table. Perhaps if Sabby's was forthright with their environmental reporting, this might not be so much of an issue....We also have the Province (and Metrolinx) telling us Diesel locomotives pose no threat to our health....can you understand why we might all be a little sensitive here?

The city's planning department has not seen an application for development along St. Clair beyond Bathurst all year (apparently).
But there are changes occuring starting with the new Master Plan that will improve the overall well being of the neighbourhood over time - and it doesn't have to be classified as gentrification. What's wrong with new employment uses on a site that is just no longer appropriate for cement production? Pull a Tormont move and offer the guy money for the site already!



Andrew replying to a comment from gadfly / September 23, 2009 at 01:14 pm
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Yes, heaven forbid the neighborhood be a place that people actually would want to live in, walk through and shop. I just moved to the neighborhood and like it specifically because it is being made more transit- and pedestrian-friendly. The goal of an urban planner should not be how fast people can get out of the city, it is about making it a good place to live/work/shop. I'm sorry if that makes it harder for you to get home to Mississauga.
Reality Check / September 23, 2009 at 01:45 pm
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"we're losing high paying jobs" err no, you're not. Almost all industrial work is low paying, or else headed for extinction (was going to say bankruptcy, but GM, Ford, etc are already there).

It isn't great for low IQ people, but they are easy to replace with foreign labour or capital equipment (printers obsoleted by computers, for example, and the virtually empty electronics factories). Changing industrial lands to retail/residential is a good thing (see Manhattan's meatpacking district and London's Spitalfields/Docklands) and part of the growth of a metropolis.

As to the NIMBYs attacks on rail corridors being used for trains... no lower form of scum than someone who moves into an area with an existing infrastructure and then proceeds to whine about it. Islanders attacks on YTZ, suburbanites complaints about Pearson, or new exurbanites who complain about farm smells and pesticide application are all pure, unadulterated scum. Cheap housing is cheap for a reason, if you don't want to take the trade, then go summer without the negative affects.
mikeb replying to a comment from gadfly / September 23, 2009 at 02:19 pm
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If you don't like driving through Keele and St Clair W now, you're going to love it when the new big box development goes up on the NW corner.
Tanja / September 23, 2009 at 02:25 pm
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The south side of this corner also houses the neighbourhood's legendary Dairy Freeze diner (which though left out is a more prominent property than Darrigo's as it is on the corner and has been for generations). To push a successful business like that out in favour of a few townhomes that back onto busy GO transit railroad tracks, will do little for the intersection.
mikeb replying to a comment from Reality Check / September 23, 2009 at 02:25 pm
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Do recognize that when a rail corridor, airport or whatever's volume, pollution or other such disruption increases by a factor of X, concerns or locals do have legitimacy and derserve a fair hearing.
Cobretti / September 23, 2009 at 03:49 pm
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If anything happens to Dairy Freeze, there will be hell to pay. I can't believe the most important business on that corner was omitted.
Reelair replying to a comment from Tanja / September 23, 2009 at 04:10 pm
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For those defending Dairy Freeze;
Have any of you eaten there in the last few years?
I have a few times and it was the most disgusting experience.

It appears to be under new management.
I got a cheap, cardboard like frozen patty that I could get at any greasy spoon that was swimming in condiments applied by a un-bathed man who took absolutely no pride in his work and apparently not his hygiene either!

Put that with some frozen fries and you have a $10 meal that went into the garbage pail. Only thing we liked of our meal was the fountain pop.

Mara replying to a comment from Reality Check / September 23, 2009 at 04:40 pm
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Increasing diesel train traffic from 50 to 300+ COMMUTER rides a day would surely interest you more if your home backed onto the corridor.

Having said that - I've heard whisperings of a GO Station being considered for the area....HEY, I know a GREAT place where that could go. It's currently a cement factory or something.
Marion Cobretti replying to a comment from Reelair / September 23, 2009 at 04:40 pm
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Haven't been in a few years, but it sure was good when the Greeks were in charge. They even slayed a Harvey's incursion across the street. I'm going to have to investigate.

Seems like all the St. Clair "Dairy"s are dying. First Queens Dairy at Christie, now the Freeze? For shame. At least we now have plenty of highly authentic burger joints like South Street Burger.
Marion Cobretti replying to a comment from Mara / September 23, 2009 at 04:54 pm
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The meatpacking district in NYC was derelict. This is a profitable business. Big difference. I hope they stick around for a long time and continue to prosper. Gentrification, when it's time, will happen organically.
gadfly replying to a comment from Andrew / September 23, 2009 at 05:14 pm
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Yes, yes, the 'every neighborhood is precious' argument. Unfortunately, this isn't the 1700s: people do want to travel beyond their neighborhood, otherwise, why don't we all just live in huts and call it a day?
Vibrant neighborhoods are fantastic, but so is being able to get around and 'through' a city. St. Clair used to be one of those corridors. Heck, if we stopped to shop in every neighborhood, we'd have no time to make money to pay for that shopping (or pie-in-the-sky experimental city projects of the day, for that matter!) But then the social engineers are rarely concerned about earning money, only taking OTHER people's money.

And since you've personalized this, my friend, I live downtown, not Mississauga; although (and I'd wager a bet on this) in 20 years Mississauga will have left this city far behind in all leading indicators. Toronto seems incapable of undoing the narrow-minded thinking of the early 20th Century, and only replaces it with narrow minded thinking of the 21st Century.
gadfly replying to a comment from mikeb / September 23, 2009 at 05:25 pm
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In my opinion, criminal charges should be laid on Council for these (and past incompetent) acts. Even if one is a lover of all things TTC, surely we can all agree that the likes of Keele St. should have been widened BEFORE allowing all this development.
Good grief, even SF and London have 6 lane arterial roads! Weston Rd. grinds to a complete halt on a lazy Saturday afternoon, just south of its junction with Keele St., because of the foolish thinking in the past. That area of houses was built up in the 1920s - did they never imagine that one day Toronto would grow up around it? Other cities, like Vancouver, did!
What if the tree-hugging crowd wants to put a dedicated streetcar line down Keele St. one day? I'd truly hate to see the day come when a future Council is forced to expropriate and bull-doze entire streets to make up for the mistakes that are being done right now, mistakes that could have easily been rectified by setting back development (as was done along Finch St., Sheppard and other main roads north or the core) to enable the road to one day be widened!
The champagne from celebrating the cancellation of the Allen Expressway may be long forgotten, but the day will come when spectres of the past will have to be addressed. This city will not be able to efficiently move the 10 million that will one day (soon enough) live here.
Mara replying to a comment from Marion Cobretti / September 23, 2009 at 05:26 pm
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Marion, how much more organic can you get than change as a result of local consultation and persuasion? You're not dealing with a bunch of Starbucks owners. We are local residents who are interested in the possibilities.

I also mentioned nothing about the Meat Packing District. Our proximity to the downtown would not have me making those comparisons...apple and orange for sure.
Andrew replying to a comment from gadfly / September 23, 2009 at 05:34 pm
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Sorry if I got your location wrong. This still sounds vaguely like "I got mine, forget you bub". It's great you live downtown, if you want to get across town quickly you have access to the Gardiner, 427, and DVP. Then you can take one of the suburban avenues like Finch or Sheppard or Lawrence. Apparently you want your "vibrant neighborhood" but the rest of us can be sacrificed so you can cut your commute time. Some of us are trying to make a conscious decision to not own a car and do as much living as we can locally. Mississauga (specifically its mayor) has now realized the massive roads and ensuing sprawl were completely wrong and are now trying to aim for density. In short, they are trying to be more like a city.
Marion Cobretti replying to a comment from Mara / September 23, 2009 at 05:41 pm
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The other guy mentioned NYC.

The point is, the business is there, it's properly zoned, it's prospering, so why kick them out? My opinion: people see other neighborhoods gentrified and think they can force it on your own by pushing out undesirable neighbors before their time. If I lived in that neighborhood, I'd rather the cement guys stay until the land is worth enough for some proper housing to come in as opposed to more "Stockyard style row house" crapola. Anyway, I don't live there, so what do I care. Hell, I can't even drive through that hell-hole right now to shop the Canadian Tire.
gadfly replying to a comment from Andrew / September 23, 2009 at 10:01 pm
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Wow, that is a really great, cosmopolitan attitude. Why don't we dismantle Pearson and put up condos: afterall, why not just live locally and to hell with world beyond Toronto - who needs them! We can live, work and die within 5 kms of where we were born - how 1600s is that?
Is that the best we can come up with, after 100,000 years of civilization? Is that the best our imagination can come up with? We live in a global economy, but want to 'live and shop locally?'
Mississauga is growing naturally and will have the space to intensify in a planned fashion. All manner of things can be done with Mississauga: bicycle lanes, dedicated streetcar lines, subway - all because it was designed on a grid pattern that encompasses 6 and 8 lane arterial roads. In 20 years, as their population tops 1 million, they will have the density to all of these things and more.
In Toronto, we get a cement plant that is surrounded by a bunch of run down row-houses and we call it a neighborhood. Soon we will have traffic so bad that not even the social engineers that are ramming streetcar tracks on 2 lane roads will even want to live here. Sadly, our urban planners of the 1920s couldn't see beyond their neighborhood.
And we are doomed to repeat that, apparently.
Marion Cobretti replying to a comment from gadfly / September 23, 2009 at 10:44 pm
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Yea, and Mississauga has all those way cool chain restos. Plenty of space and Milestones ... PARADISE!!
Reelair replying to a comment from Marion Cobretti / September 24, 2009 at 01:56 am
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You had to bring up Queen's Dairy. I was heart broken when I went and found it closed.
I have no idea how anyone would let that place go. With that patio being one of the only ones in the area it was a sure thing, until they destroyed St Clair that is.
Mara replying to a comment from Marion Cobretti / September 24, 2009 at 07:52 am
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See that's where you're wrong.
It's not properly zoned.

And as long as land values continue to rise, how feasible do you think it would be for a land developer to buy the land, and then actually build something that lends itself to the improvement of the area besides stockyard style row houses? Cheap product gets built because of shoddy builders and expensive land, not the opposite. Consultation here and now is paramount in order to get the right tools that will ensure good design and a quality product might one day be brought forward.

And gadfly - I'm sorry but where are these 'run-down row houses' you speak of? I live in a lovely century old semi, surrounded by many other single and semi detached homes with owners who lend a huge amount of pride in ownership to our neighbourhood. Yup, neighbourhood.

Ann / October 24, 2009 at 02:04 pm
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I was just would like to know what is going to be built in the area that is being cleared off at the corner of St. Clair Ave West and Keele Street at the NW corner. I notice that the notice said retail business but I thought it was going to be freehold townhouses.
SandraK replying to a comment from Ann / October 27, 2009 at 12:49 pm
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It was going to be townhomes but the environmental assessment found that the land was contaminated from years of Bunge putting crap into the soil. It has to be all hard top now. My understanding from the most recent plans I saw was it is NOT more big box but a combo of 1 and 2 story retail with a "street front" feel. I am terribly concerned as I live on Birdstone and my street will eventually continue into the the new development. I see it from my living room window. What I have seen looks nice...nice round about with a fountain and tree lined streets, but the plans seem to be changing all the time, as is the developer. There is a meeting Nov. 10 at Etobicoke City Hall at 7:30 to look at changing the zoning from industrial. That's all I know currently.

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