McRoad Repair, Stupid Crimes, and Rugby Manslaughter

I second that, ddt.

Agreed!!
We also can't forget how you have to watch your heels too. God forbid they would actually wait for your feet to be on the sidewalk before actually turning.

Being someone who has been hit by an impatient cab driver turning right on a red light, I fully support a right turn red light ban.

I suppose it sucks when you're a law abiding driver, but their anger should really be directed at the ignorant drivers out there that make things like this necessary.

I agree but Also pedestrians are very pedestrian in this city. The amount of people walking around and stepping into traffic without looking is incredible. Pedestrians have thier rights and have the right of way but you still have to be careful and not take it for granted. In other cities pedestrian are very cautious or you'll get smoked. iPods don't help this situation at all either, and people riding bikes with ipods on in this city, come on. I am a non driver, bike rider.

Family guy had it right
"Santa can't be Asian. He doesn't drive 20 miles an hour under the speed limit with his blinker on!"

what does this have to do with anything

Beautifully stated. I thought I was the only one noticing the "driver creep"

I'm all for banning right turn on red, at least at busy intersections. Go watch cars turn right on red at, say, the corner of Queen and Spadina. A lot of cars will gun it just as the walk light turns on, before the pedestrians have a chance to start. Other cars will turn right on red right even while the cars with the green arrow turn left into the same lane.

The problem is also with the lights we have, they are supposed to count down to zero so the pedestrians can cross, then the hand shoudl come up and the green light should stay on for an additional 10 seconds and if no more pedestrians try and run across and obey the light as well, the drivers can make turns.

If we are going to police right turns, we also should start cracking down on J-Walking too.

No right turns. That's exactly what we need - More traffic not moving anywhere and idling at dead light with no one around.

I agree there need to be statistics before we start changing traffic laws with as much of an impact as this would have.

You're not the only one; it's the natural response for people to inflate the excesses of the side of the argument they disagree with to make them feel good. So, cyclists and pedestrians are menaces who never look where they're going, unless it's to throw themselves under the wheels of a hapless car driver, and car drivers are worse than Hitler.

...try walking thru the parking lot of the north york sheridan mall and see if any driver has courtesy

Re: adspace on repair trucks

I actually don't see whats so bad about this if done responsibly (e.g. no negative societal influences like smokes or porn, ads have to be approved anyways right?). It will subsidize road repair and isn't a permanent fixture. Maybe someone just has to list the downsides I overlooked?

"While we're on the topic of traffic, I would love to see King and Queen, for example, converted into one way streets."

According to this article, you're more likely to see Richmond and Adelaide become two-way streets... http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/628981

Personally, I hope councillor Vaughan gets his way.

Which is why it might be more constructive to stick to other areas of the debate and leave the 'who is worse' out of it.

If we can agree that pedestrians and drivers can both be dangers to safe streets then we can debate more constructive things, such as Jamesmallon's point.

(But then it just turns into a social democracy/libertarian debate)

IF everyone knew the rules for the road things would be much better. As a cyclist and walker who has a drivers licence I know the rules of the road and how one may think behind the wheel of a car and this improves my biking and walking in the city.

There are too many bikers that don't know the driving laws in the city, but share the same roads. Anybody can hop on a bike and go out cycle into traffic but they don't understand how the cars are going to react to the upcoming signs and traffic lights or lane dividers and this causes problems.

Yes, of course. The driver's mistakes are amplified, though, because they're in a thousand-pound vehicle which can move a lot faster than any pedestrian can.

@Realist
Of course thier actions are appified driving is a much bigger responsibility than walking, easy to kill some with a car, almost imposible to kill someone with a pair of walking shoes unless its yourself stepping out into traffic


@ForeveR
Yes there are already intersectons with this red light rule where needed BUT now it should be on all red lights?

I know, I know, I know, that's how our government works spend tons on a study that we get no say in, then show us how much we've already spent studying this so we must continue to go through with it...

When I got in a semi-serious bicycle/car accident several years ago I was following the rules of the road, wearing a helmet and being mindful of cars around me. I had no way to anticipate or avoid the person in the SUV who would pass me and abruptly pulled in front of me and my bike, hitting the front tire and sending me onto the pavement.

So I don't really buy the 'everyone is responsible for their own safety' idea. It doesn't really work that way. While everyone should be keeping a watchful eye on their surroundings, there most certainly are times when this makes no difference. There are times when, no matter how much you follow the rules and how cautious you are some unpredictable person leaves you bleeding on the pavement (quite literally: they drove away).

Because of that, there needs to be rules in place legislating people to be responsible for other people's safety as well as their own. Our world would be a <i>much</i> different place if these rules didn't exist.

So I find it rather silly when people get all huffy when the government legislates a no right turn on a red light rule as if they were violating some of their fundamental rights and freedoms. If such a minor change stops a single person from being killed or seriously injured then it is <b>completely</b> worth it.

Would people really trade the extra several seconds at a red light for a stranger's life or well being?