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Blowing Leaves, Human Chain, Tortured in Leslieville, Possible June Election?

Posted by Jerrold Litwinenko / May 4, 2009

cherry blossoms high parkPhoto: "In the spotlight" by bigdaddyhame, member of the blogTO Flickr pool.

What's happening in the GTA (and sometimes beyond):

Could Liberal leader Micheal Ignatieff's confrontational stance on the current issues affecting unemployment insurance result in a June federal election [Star]? I'm calling hot air on this one, mostly because the consent of all three opposition parties is required to force an election, and I just can't see this being the issue that does it.

Speaking of hot air...
The city's controversial proposal to ban gas-powered, small engine leaf blowers seems to have cooled down some. Rather than pushing for an all-out ban of the devices, the city may move in a less aggressive direction, opting to guilt people and offer incentives for those using cleaner tools instead [G&M].

Be prepared for more traffic disruptions, and more heated debate (aka intolerance rearing its head) about the Tamil protest issues. Word is that yet another human chain is being planned for tomorrow, and organizers hope to see 100,000 people partake [Sun].

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Two dangerous men are being sought, after allegedly torturing a man after he spoke to police about their possible involvement in a robbery that occurred two years ago [City]. While the Leslieville apartment wasn't likely on par with the scene from Reservoir Dogs, it does sound like a terrible way to spend 5 hours.

A young man is dead after being gunned down at a TTC bus stop [Sun]. No, this isn't deja vu - it's happened again, and police and members of the community don't know what would drive anyone to want to kill the teen.

Discussion

30 Comments

Ryan L. / May 4, 2009 at 07:19 am
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Re: Human chain: Tamil population of Toronto is around 72 thousand. Do the organizers believe they can bring out every single Tamil in the city to the protest (some of which you know, have jobs and families) in addition to several thousand non-tamil residents?

apetimberlake replying to a comment from Ryan L. / May 4, 2009 at 08:29 am
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The Tamil population is approx. 200 000.
Ben / May 4, 2009 at 08:49 am
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I'd love a June election. Open air candidates debates are a personal favourite. It would be a lovely way to spend the summer, and hopefully we could get rid of this disastrously bad government we have now.
apetimberlake / May 4, 2009 at 08:59 am
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I think they should have debates in the park with a giant pot luck!!
Ryan L. replying to a comment from apetimberlake / May 4, 2009 at 09:11 am
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According to wikipedia the population of Tamil speakers is: 72,715

This information could be out of date, or wikipedia could be wrong (as it often is), but that's a huge discrepancy.

It's backed up by the city of Toronto's website who lists the top 5 (With Tamil not being part of it)

<i># The top 5 mother tongue languages in 2006 were:</i>


<i>* Chinese (420,000);</i>
<i>* Italian (195,000);</i>
<i>* Punjabi (138,000);</i>
<i>* Tagalog/Pilipino (114,000);</i>
<i>* Portuguese (113,000).</i>

It also comes into conflict with statistics canada reporting that there are only as many as 140,000 Tamil in <b>all of Canada</b>
Ryan L. replying to a comment from apetimberlake / May 4, 2009 at 09:13 am
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Statscan link: http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/data/topics/RetrieveProductTable.cfm?TPL=RETR&;ALEVEL=3&APATH=3&CATNO=97-555-XCB2006010&DETAIL=0&DIM=&DS=99&FL=0&FREE=0&GAL=0&GC=99&GK=NA&GRP=1&IPS=97-555-XCB2006010&METH=0&ORDER=1&PID=89189&PTYPE=88971&RL=0&S=1&ShowAll=No&StartRow=1&SUB=705&Temporal=2006&Theme=70&VID=0&VNAMEE=&VNAMEF= (sorry for the long URL.)
sniderscion / May 4, 2009 at 09:15 am
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Where's English on the list?

"# The top 5 mother tongue languages in 2006 were:

* Chinese (420,000);
* Italian (195,000);
* Punjabi (138,000);
* Tagalog/Pilipino (114,000);
* Portuguese (113,000)."
sniderscion / May 4, 2009 at 09:21 am
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According to the Star- "After the beating, one of the men loaded him into a cab and travelled with him to Dundas St. E. and Coxwell Ave. When the kidnapper got out of the car to complete a drug transaction, the man bolted."
First you have to wonder about the cabbie involved here; I mean the guy must have been in obvious distress but secondly Coxwell & Dundas is right in front of 55 Division :)
Sean Galbraith replying to a comment from Ryan L. / May 4, 2009 at 09:22 am
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Tamil SPEAKERS, sure. There are many, I'm sure, who are Tamil but don't speak the language.

More power to the protesters and their efforts. I may have issues some aspects of what they are doing, but not in the fact that they are protesting... so long as they don't block traffic.
Ryan L. replying to a comment from Sean Galbraith / May 4, 2009 at 09:29 am
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Also, not all that speak Tamil are from Sri Lanka
Sean Galbraith replying to a comment from Ryan L. / May 4, 2009 at 09:34 am
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I agree, though I think there would be a strong overlap of the two populations. So the 72000 figure is likely an inaccurate number of Tamils in Toronto.
Ryan L. / May 4, 2009 at 09:36 am
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http://www.thestar.com/comment/columnists/article/613815

It appears the Star has already touched on the conflicting numbers

"But readers were not given the most accurate or complete account. Given the significant range of difference in data, the reporter should not have stated as undisputed fact that 200,000 Tamils reside in Greater Toronto. Readers would have been better served by being informed of Statistics Canada's "official" tally and the extensive gap between that figure and the number deemed accurate by academic experts. This is essential context here."
James replying to a comment from apetimberlake / May 4, 2009 at 09:40 am
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Man, a potluck debate is a great idea. I'm bringing the parfait!
Samantha / May 4, 2009 at 09:41 am
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English AND French are also mother tongues. People were born speaking them... and for those of you who say that English doesn't count, and you mean immigrant languages... MANY of this countries immigrants from Africa and South America are French.

in the GTA, the number of immigrant french speakers nearly passes the number of people who were born in Quebec or in an Francontarian family.

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All that being said. i hope they get 100, 000 and i hope they snarl traffic to a snails pace. what is happening in Sri Lanka is a trajedy and instead of complaining to and about the protesters, complain to the US embassy, to the Canadian Government to HELP the Tamil people.

Ian / May 4, 2009 at 09:44 am
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My eyebrows raised at your comparison "heated debate" = "intolerance raising its ugly head".

Your definition of intolerance is too broad. In any free country, it is within reasonable parameters to question whether any group supporting any cause should be allowed to shut down a major city artery for days at a time.

If a Sinhalese group were to set up a counter-protest, would that be intolerance?
If one of the hospitals were to petition the police to shut down the protest after a day, is that intolerance?
Is it intolerance if a WASPy editorialists run stories praising the police for actually shutting down the protest after several days?
Is intolerance defined by what you're doing, what your argument is, or simply by who you are?

Personally, i think that tolerance -- stemming from the forgotten English verb 'to tolerate' -- means using words instead of violence, and then being adult about it when you don't get your way. I may not like what you're doing, but i'm not going to start swinging a board with a nail in it.
Ryan L. replying to a comment from Samantha / May 4, 2009 at 10:52 am
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To reiterate what I've said before. I agree that the stuff going on in Sri Lanka is terrible, but both sides are responsible for doing crappy things (I don't think anybody is denying this).

But Tamils and their supporters I think would be better off gathering support without flying the flag of the Tigers. Even without associating themselves with a designated terrorist group they still have an uphill battle in trying to convince Canada to involve itself in another country's civil war when the current mission in Afghanistan is already a touchy subject. (And history has shown time and again that getting involved in another country's civil war ends up badly about 90% of the time)
Keven / May 4, 2009 at 11:06 am
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>"heated debate" = "intolerance raising its ugly head".

I agree with Ian on this one. It actually reads to me as:

If you take the "other side" of this debate we're intolerant of you.
Diane replying to a comment from Ian / May 4, 2009 at 11:14 am
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Further to Ian's remark, it's not intolerance to deplore the LTTE, an organization recognized as terrorist by Canada, the U.S., the U.K., the European Union, Australia and many others.

In Canada, Tamils have every right to protest the plight of their people trapped in this terrible conflict. Terrorists do not.
ian replying to a comment from Diane / May 4, 2009 at 11:24 am
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To be clear, i think everyone knows that 99.9% or more of the protesters -- even those waving the flag -- are not Tamil Tigers, suicide bombers, or swingers-of-boards-with-nails-in-them. They're just protesters. If we ignore for a moment the fact that they're waving a deplorable flag, it's still extraordinarily tolerant -- for any society, western, free, or otherwise -- to allow a protest to completely block a downtown artery for four days straight.

The fact that people are very frustrated by it, but resort to writing letters to the editor and posting on BlogTO speaks of our tolerance as a society.
Justin replying to a comment from Diane / May 4, 2009 at 12:38 pm
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While many Tamils see LTTE as the only active force against an oppressive government right alongside things like children being made to take up arms, it might be tough to see past the people's first objective of fighting the bigger bad guy. It is good that there's noise being made and I'm much more aware of what takes place in Sri Lanka as a result.
Influencing governments hung up on symbolism can be a game, so maybe Tamils would have a better shot at getting Canada to step up with a role in the conflicts abroad were they to put down the flags. It would be quicker than trying to convince them to stop calling LTTE a terrorist organization, that's for sure.
ddt / May 4, 2009 at 12:39 pm
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I think banning small engine leaf blowers in Toronto is a great idea...cuz i'm sure they must disturb the island residents.
James / May 4, 2009 at 12:40 pm
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I'm not even sure what they hope to accomplish any more by all of this. There are perfectly peaceful organization already involved in activist efforts in Sri Lanka I'm sure. If the innocent Tamil people need more help, they should be petitioning such organizations for more help. In the meantime the protesters are only beginning to aggravate people here: creating traffic and holding up access to vital hospital services in the area.

These protests are asking too much and are starting to become a nuisance to the public. It's perfectly reasonable for them to gather in protest, but there are limits that they have crossed. If they continue to persist, they will only be causing further conflict and for me personally, raising my doubts as to the truth and merits of their motivations. They need to stop blocking streets and find a more peaceful way to congregate and share their message.
Dan / May 4, 2009 at 12:45 pm
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What I want to know is how do these Tamil people get the time off work to protest everyday, or are we paying for it with welfare and EI?
Samantha replying to a comment from Ryan L. / May 4, 2009 at 01:30 pm
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I agree with you Ryan, but maybe some pressure to accept the cease fire from big countries like ours would help.
Ryan L. replying to a comment from Dan / May 4, 2009 at 01:56 pm
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I don't think they do, which is why the numbers have been a mere 1 to 3 thousand and why I think the 100,000 number is completely unlikely.
LouisArmstrong / May 4, 2009 at 05:04 pm
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its kind of ridiculous. Yes, shit is going down in sri lanka, yes we should help, but theres no need to block traffic, and screw up a whole city, usually when you want help with something, you dont turn against them. pathetic really.
Jerrold replying to a comment from Ian / May 4, 2009 at 05:27 pm
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I was hoping you'd question by use of the word "intolerance". To be clear, I was referring to the many disturbing comments I've seen and heard about this issue, including comments left by readers on this site. "Go back where you came from" type comments do demonstrate intolerance, and I've heard it one too many times already on this issue.
Kenny / May 4, 2009 at 06:28 pm
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Re: Tamil Protest

I'm being realistic when I say this... but people don't F'ing care. You don't know how many people I've overheard saying exactly that, in fact, they're even more pissed off because of the disruption in traffic, which in turn makes them less sympathetic.

Anyway, the Canadian government has pledged $3 million to Sri Lanka and that has people bother as well: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/628661
Richard S / May 4, 2009 at 07:17 pm
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1) Bring back the Morning Brew title, because I totally skipped over this post. :)

2) Instead of the leafblowers, lets focus on the fogies who water their sidewalks.

3) Alright, wednesday. we'll start an Al-Qaeda rally. Hopefully we can get 100,001 people to show up. If that fails, a taliban rally on thursday. Seriously, the problem in Sri Lanka is definitely grave, but the organizers have now pissed off a ton of people, and are being rather unreasonable (saying the cops who should've shut them down on day one are racist, asking us to support a terrorist regime, waving the flags, etc.).
Jenny replying to a comment from Kenny / May 4, 2009 at 08:46 pm
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Hey Kenny, Do you know how Sri-Lankan government going to use the money? Buying more arms and torture the tamil people. Instead of giving the money they should put their feet down more harded on Sri-Lankan government to go for the ceasefire which LTTE keep offering several times. Tamils do not need the money they only need ceasefire.

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