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Is City Funded Media Redundant?

Posted by Rick McGinnis / January 14, 2010

LivewithcultureLate last year, the city very quietly changed their livewithculture.ca website from a catalogue of listings to a blog, although they've only just gotten around to publicizing the change recently. It's a refreshing surprise for anyone - which would mean almost everyone - who was unaware that the city's branded cultural promotion initiative went much beyond street banners downtown and a few subway ads.

Christopher Jones is the principal voice of the renovated site - he has the title of Cultural Affairs Officer (Acting) and has written the majority of the site's posts, which have, at least since the new year began, profiles of the owner of Soundscapes and an artist who collects family photos and films, as well as features on a dance company, Elvis Mondays, and family day at the Gardiner Museum. He admits that the blog looks like a one-man band, though he says he's excited about receiving new posts this week from other workers at the city's cultural affairs department, and is actively looking for artists and arts organization employees to contribute.

"I would love to have people who are on the inside of the culture sector," Jones says, "so they could reveal the inner workings of culture in Toronto. I want people with a point of view - I think a lot of arts journalism suffers a little bit because writers are hemmed in by the format of the vehicle for which they're working. What I love about blogging is that you get more of the voice of the writer, and I think that can really add to the content."

Livewithculture is very much a part of David Miller's mayoral legacy - a city initiative to increase the profile of the arts that lost steam as the banner campaign got less fresh and traffic to the listings-based website had dropped by half. Jones said that despite this, the site still ended up with a high Google ranking whenever he did searches for artists, which led to the blogging brainstorm - a blog veteran himself, Jones got approval for the revamp, after which it took just two months to build the redesigned site, which went live in September.

According to Alexa, livewithculture.ca gets very little traffic, and page views have actually been declining since the revamp.
StatsHere's what its traffic looks like compared to blogTO and Torontoist:CompareThe city's role in online publishing got a bit of friction this week with the launch of Yonge Street, Spacing veteran Shawn Micaleff's web magazine, which attracted criticism from city councilors only just informed of the city's financial sponsorship of the site. Ward 34 councilor Denzil Minnan-Wong in particular wondered why tax money should have gone to help pay a third party to cover city stories, telling the National Post that a press release should suffice - "Communicate that way and that costs nothing."

Yonge StreetIt's an evergreen issue in Canada, and it informs criticism of everything from the CBC to the very existence of the CRTC - why government should compete with private industry, never mind have such a heavy hand in its regulation. With two city blogs already covering arts, news and culture, there's no shortage of arts coverage online, and while livingwithculture.ca can certainly carve out a space for itself, it won't be with posts about Soundscapes, for instance.

Jones is quick to insist that council voted to approve funding for the livewithculture.ca site, and adds that he has no budget to pay outside contributors, and that the only expense in producing the blog is the labour by city employees like himself. "We hoped that this would be a little bit innovative. Around here we really subscribe to the whole idea of the creative city, so we thought this would be a great way to morph something we already had."

There is, of course, an inherent danger in soliciting contributions from artists and arts workers: creative people don't - and shouldn't - choose their words too carefully, and while controversy would probably attract the page views and buzz Jones would love to see, it would also attract attention, much of it unwelcome, from elsewhere in the city bureaucracy, not to mention its critics. To that end, Jones says that while he's eager to find artists who can write, he isn't looking for a fight.

"The goal of the blog is certainly not to be controversial - it is to elucidate and illuminate the arts sector. I would have a conversation with potential bloggers about the piece they want to bring forward, and if it becomes clear that they have a point of view or an axe to grind then we probably would take a pass on it. Controversy's not what we're looking for, though it doesn't mean it has to be boring or static."

Discussion

36 Comments

Bryan L. / January 14, 2010 at 11:32 am
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It is an outrage that the City is involved in YoungStreet. Total crap that Miller threw money at Shawn Micaleff for a webzine. I wonder why he would do something like that?
jc / January 14, 2010 at 11:36 am
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Or perhaps you are just upset the city isn't backing this site... Other voices on covering culture in the city are needed, and just because there are 3 (you forgot now), it doesn't mean that more diversity isn't needed.
rick mcginnis replying to a comment from jc / January 14, 2010 at 11:43 am
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JC - why assume that everyone wants government money? Forgive me for saying this, but it's a peculiarly Canadian assumption. As for livewithculture.ca vs. YongeStreet, you can look at this as an example of bureaucratic inefficiency - while funding (albeit very cheaply) their own culture blog, the city also pays a third party to cover city stories. The best spin you can put on that is that one hand simply doesn't know what the other is doing.
rek / January 14, 2010 at 12:03 pm
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I don't read press releases, Denzil.
Chris Jones / January 14, 2010 at 12:08 pm
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Thanks for the boost Rick; your post will help spread the word about the revamped livewithculture.ca. Our site is young -- only 34 posts so far -- so nobody could reasonably expect us to be pulling traffic numbers in the same range as BlogTO or Torontoist. We've been live since November (the earlier-dated content was part of our effort to go live with some stuff in the bank). I don't suppose either BlogTO or Torontoist was burning down the house after two months online. Give us a year and we'll forcefully stake out our niche of covering every strata of Toronto's culture sector, from the box office attendant to the industrial designer to the orchestra conductor. That's a promise!
vn / January 14, 2010 at 12:21 pm
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i for one was thrilled to see an old, unattractive site filled with a dog's breakfast of generic arts info transform into something that feels like it truly reflects what's going on in the city. sure the posts are eclectic, but i think Jones is a great writer - way better than a few i've read on blogto though i won't name names - not a bad photographer, and the content feels... curated. in a good way. plus i find myself clicking on the sidebar listing of news items all the time - it's a great feature.

and i read blogto too. the more the merrier.
Bryan L. / January 14, 2010 at 12:25 pm
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Word that should be banned when discussing websites: curated.
DS / January 14, 2010 at 12:32 pm
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I'm not sure why BlogTO should even be writing about itself being a Toronto blog, as it has demonstrated several times in the past two weeks that its content covers very little outside the Parkdale/Ossington areas.

vn replying to a comment from Bryan L. / January 14, 2010 at 01:01 pm
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why?
James replying to a comment from rek / January 14, 2010 at 02:41 pm
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Actually, rek, you'd be surprised how many press releases you do read - usually in the format of a news article or, ahem, blog post.
jc / January 14, 2010 at 03:50 pm
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Hey Rick,

Your argument does not make a whole lot of sense. First, i wouldn't say that "everyone" is looking for government money. However, like you say, it is a "peculiarly Canadian assumption" because it is true when applied to the arts and culture in this country and in particular in this city. True, there is more independent and corporate money being put into Art and Culture in this city, but you cannot deny that there is a strong history and legacy of public funds being used towards the Arts. As such, why is this such a surprise or an issue? Hence my comment.

This piece reads like "hey wtf why didn't the city approach us?! Aren't we the coolest cats in town?! wtf!". Hence my comment.

@DS couldn't agree more. Maybe this is a chance for this site (which I do read, but less and less) to get a bit more serious about its title of blogTO and actually start covering Toronto.
rick mcginnis replying to a comment from jc / January 14, 2010 at 04:41 pm
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JC - your argument only makes sense when you proceed solely from your assumptions, which are that a) reliance on public money for creative endeavors isn't an issue and b) that this post was inspired by sour grapes.

For the latter, I can only state that it wasn't, and hope (vainly in your case, I presume) that we'll be taken at our word. As to the latter, there are a lot of reasons to abjure public money in creative endeavors, among them a desire to avoid the mantle of either public art or unofficial propaganda. What I find amazing is your in ability to overcome a basic cynicism about our motives. Hence my comment.
mr. tunes replying to a comment from jc / January 14, 2010 at 04:42 pm
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"This piece reads like "hey wtf why didn't the city approach us?! Aren't we the coolest cats in town?! wtf!". Hence my comment."

agreed
rick mcginnis replying to a comment from mr. tunes / January 14, 2010 at 04:46 pm
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I can't speak for the rest of the blogTO staff, Mr. Tunes, but as a middle-aged, perpetually broke freelance journalist, I hardly feel like the coolest cat in town, yeah?
jc / January 14, 2010 at 05:05 pm
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Rick, thank you for stating the obvious in your first paragraph... It's not that I lack the ability to overcome my cynicism about your motives, it's that I don't understand the need or purpose of this piece or opinion, which is more of a general sentiment of this site in general perhaps.

Case in point (and as a disclaimer I have nothing to do with Torontoist or any other toronto media organization or outlet, I just like to stay in touch with my city) have a look at this article:

http://torontoist.com/2010/01/publisher_of_yonge_street_torontos_new_weekly_explains_his_business.php

Objective, a good point to explore, an interview! Step up your game. And by your game, i don't mean just yours, but the staff.
Scott S. / January 14, 2010 at 05:20 pm
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I, for one, thought the piece on Soundscapes was really interesting. I love that store and it is an important part of the Toronto arts scene. We could use a bit more celebration of some of the normall unsung heroes in this city, and less grousing and compalining, which, frankly, is getting a bit tiresome. Yawn.
mkmk / January 14, 2010 at 05:28 pm
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Agree with Scott, all about those unsung but great folk--Betty's Art Tour, lovely Lorna Geddes and so many other stories thus far on this infant blog. Look back a few pages and you will see that this is what diversity is about...
mkmk / January 14, 2010 at 05:30 pm
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I agree with Scott, it's features all those unsung heroes like Betty's Art Tour, lovely Lorna Geddes and a host of others, just look back a few pages. Read and savor your city...
rick mcginnis replying to a comment from jc / January 14, 2010 at 05:36 pm
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JC - I said you have an obvious animus against this site; you agreed. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Scott S. - yes, less grousing and complaining, for sure, but does that mean criticism is to be discouraged? There is, I think you'll agree, a difference.
Derek replying to a comment from jc / January 14, 2010 at 05:49 pm
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I get the sense that the Torontoist article to which you refer was an internal response to the one of the previous day, which somehow completely failed to mention Yonge Street's sponsorship structure. It's a good article, to be sure, but I'm not sure that it really addresses the problems Rick mentions above.
Jim Pole / January 14, 2010 at 05:57 pm
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haha, we are all arguing about shades of mediocrity, none of these sites are particularly enthralling, nor successful. Torontoist is a diluted NOW, NOW is a too-widely-scoped mess, BlogTO tells me 5 things a day (2 of which are bland music and none of which are enthralling) but is saved by their "best of Toronto" pieces (where the actual best of is found in the comments) and none really take that extra step to separate themselves from the others. City or no city funding, no one is actually trying. Don't bridle those egos though, this is mildly entertaining.
J. Meoff replying to a comment from Jim Pole / January 14, 2010 at 06:17 pm
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I've been coming to this site for a while and never commented. But Jim - wow! You pretty much nailed it. I will of course keep checking all these sites out and maybe these extra hats in the ring will get people to step their game up. Still nice to see that this is growing.
Tim / January 14, 2010 at 06:35 pm
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I think the distinction needs to be made between supporting arts and culture and supporting a media property that covers arts and culture. I don't think anyone here (or at least, who writes for blogTO) feels that the city should cut back on their funding of local arts and culture.

But funding a media property like livewithculture.ca, Yonge Street or something else is a different story. My main concern centers on value for dollar spent. How many people need to read the post about family day at the Gardiner to make it qualify as a good use of tax dollars?

Have any metrics/benchmarks been defined to help measure success? In a city the size of Toronto, if 10,000 people read the post is that a good return on investment? If only 50 people read it is that considered a waste of money?
jc replying to a comment from Tim / January 14, 2010 at 07:01 pm
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I would have to agree with Jim, well said and summarized.

Tim, how is that different then any other corporate sponsorship of arts and culture? Why would the city do something like livewithculture or youngestreet by themselves? And what it would it cost us? Is that what you would rather see? If it is, it doesn't make sense since as you said, your main concern is value on dollar spent.

How do we know if this is money well spent? Here's an idea, go find out and write about that. I would be interested in reading what you find out.

As for accountability, given the nature of the web, if this is a waste of money we will find out soon enough.

rick mcginnis replying to a comment from jc / January 14, 2010 at 07:11 pm
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JC - The city IS doing livewithculture by themselves - it's obvious from the piece that this is a city-funded enterprise, executed by city staff. If you refuse to grasp the basics of the subject at hand, how seriously do you expect to be taken? My question is why they're also giving money to YongeStreet, and the overall question - as Tim articulated - is if this is money well spent. Since livewithculture is only a few months old - and refused to release traffic stats, by the way - and YongeStreet only a day old, I suppose we will find out, in the end.
Seanna / January 14, 2010 at 07:31 pm
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How is it that I have Blog TO on my iGoogle page, enjoy the occasional peice from the torontoist, however this is the FIRST TIME I've even heard of the livewithculture site?
Galt / January 14, 2010 at 08:27 pm
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A blast from the past about government getting into the interweb biz

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2004/02/02/culsite020204.html
Peter K / January 14, 2010 at 08:58 pm
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What does David Miller care? It's not like it's his tax money being pissed up a rope.
Leslie / January 15, 2010 at 08:59 am
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Hadn't noticed this yet, actually very upset! livewithculture.ca used to be a regular website for me as I plan my time... looks prettier but where's the info??? I can find reviews of events anywhere this was the one comprehensive dated listing. Too bad they couldn't have been smart and just put the two concepts together. Anyone have any other suggestions on where to find a good event listing????
rick mcginnis replying to a comment from Leslie / January 15, 2010 at 09:09 am
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Leslie - there's a link in the piece, but the listings site seems to have been moved to http://www.torontoartsonline.org/ .
vn replying to a comment from Leslie / January 15, 2010 at 09:22 am
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i guess you don't go there that often to plan your time, as the site has been this way for at least 2 months... and it looks to me like they did put the two concepts together, just scroll down a bit, look at the sidebar, you'll see a bunch of event listings, along with a link to toronto arts online.
Ste / January 15, 2010 at 09:42 am
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didn't know this site existed until now - thanks Blogto. As for redundancy, it could be argued that you guys are equally as redundant so why bring that up in the first place?
rek replying to a comment from James / January 15, 2010 at 11:17 am
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I'm aware press release info makes its way into articles, but simply issuing a press release doesn't guarantee there will be an article (perceived lack of interest, political or natural disasters knocking everything else off the schedule, etc), or that it will reach the widest audience (the Post might run it, but the Star and Globe might not).

Why shouldn't the city take a more direct approach to informing residents of what's going on? Now, if only they'd allow comments so a community and feedback network can grow...
Keith McDonald / January 15, 2010 at 12:25 pm
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I work at the City - I am on the web re:Brand team - the team is engaging in social media as are other teams working on specific projects: Toronto Elections, Clerks, Live Green, Civics 101 and more. Let me broaden the debate. I can't believe Toronto residents generally would feel that City of Toronto representatives shouldn't be using as many tools to communicate as are available. The fact readers can contribute to discussions when social media is used is a help isn't it? You can slap or kiss directly there. Bring on the voices, the variety and let readers decide who and what they want to read.
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mr. tunes replying to a comment from rick mcginnis / January 21, 2010 at 10:30 pm
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well in all fairness, i was just piggybacking on someone else's point of view, but to clarify: i felt like this post was kind of pouncing on other initiatives going on in the city for no apparent reason.

i agree with many comments here that blogTO is the first place i've seen either of these websites, so at least some good has come from this.

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