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A Note About Our Latest Sponsor

Posted by Tim / February 15, 2007

As everyone knows, blogTO is an advertising supported site. We don't have a ton of ad revenue coming in but we are getting enough these days to help pay our contributors a little bit for their efforts or spring for some food and drinks when we get together for a meeting.

You might notice this morning that we have a new advertiser, MINI, who have just launched their new models for the Mini Cooper and Mini Cooper S. They like what we're doing with blogTO and approached us a while ago about doing something a little bit beyond the usual on the site. The product of our discussions is what you see today.

Inevitably, we expect some of you will think this is pretty cool and others maybe not so much. Please know that what we have tried to do with the latest sponsorship is not negatively impact your experience on the site. You won't see any of those annoying ads that float over the page or otherwise prevent you from getting to the content you came here to read.

Maybe we succeeded. Maybe we didn't. The sponsorship as it appears today will only look like this for a short time period. If you have any feedback, feel free to let us know.

Discussion

55 Comments

Hamish / February 15, 2007 at 09:11 am
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Oh, heck, why not? Sell sell sell. Gotta pay the bills!
emo / February 15, 2007 at 09:14 am
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y'know i didn't even notice it. i'm not sure if that's a good thing for you or not ;]
insidereader / February 15, 2007 at 09:30 am
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The skyline photo at the top fits with blogTO's image, and the ads within the page are totally fine, like usual. I'm not a fan of the background though, for obvious reasons. I'm going cross-eyed.
Jonathan / February 15, 2007 at 09:34 am
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I think the idea behind sponsoring is okay. But I agree, it's a bit busy.
Amy Lavender Harris / February 15, 2007 at 09:42 am
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I don't object to advertiser revenue generating on blogs any more than I do when I see it in newspapers or on television. That is, I ignore the advertisements themselves, but read or watch the media source with a slightly jaundiced eye.

When a media outlet such as yourself starts using advertisements (or, in this case, more visible advertisements) the point of greatest interest is not the advertisements (because we already know they're selling something) but that we now know the price <i>you</i> are for sale for.

As a result, some of the questions that now go along with my reading include:

* What editorial conditions has the advertisement placed on the news/opinion site, and has the presence (or absence) of these conditions been disclosed to readers?
* Are advertisements distinguished clearly from the content? (in your case they do not seem to be -- the Mini inserted into the graphic at the top -- previously reserved for gifted local photography -- seems a bit much.)
* Do advertisers and advertising content seem aligned with pre-existing editorial policies or a long-established direction of the media source, or are there signs of subtle co-opting going on?
* What, if any, limits will the media source observe in seeking further advertising revenue?

As I said, it's not that I object to advertising as such (and certainly understand the interest in generating some revenue for the site), but its presence does affect my 'reading' of news/opinion from BogTO.com, as it would with any media source.
Steve Keys / February 15, 2007 at 09:54 am
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I think the top image with the skyline blends in very well. But, that tiled background is dog shit -- I thought I was on MySpace for a moment. Hopefully, it can be tweaked so it's not so in-your-face.
Tim / February 15, 2007 at 09:56 am
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Hi Amy,

Thanks for your comments. We have a 100% separation between church and state (advertising and editorial). So you won't see any of our writing influenced by any of the advertisers on our site. Thanks for your feedback about the top graphic. We don't really view that space as editorial per se, but I can appreciate your perspective. We just thought it was a neat but not intrusive way to meet the needs of our sponsor. Rest assured, once this campaign is over the graphic will return to showcasing the amazing photos of local artists.

PS: I removed your double comments.
Ryan C. / February 15, 2007 at 09:59 am
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There aren't many media sources that aren't ad supported in some way, so such questions apply for most any public media enterprise. They are perfectly valid questions, though.

For editorial constraints, I can say that I haven't been given any new guidelines as to what is or isn't allowed for contributions. Almost nothing the contributors write goes through an editorial chain before appearing on the site, so the only real censorship is self-imposed.

While the banner replacement may be unfortunate, BlogTO still regularly showcases great Toronto photographers with the weekly Flickr forum, the continuously updated flickr feed onm the sidebar, plus awesome contests like the recent Winterlicious one wherein TorontoGal won an ipod shuffle.

I also don't think we have any reviews of the Mini coming up...

anyways, that's just my perspective.
Jerrold / February 15, 2007 at 10:15 am
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"blogTO is a group of obsessed artists, musicians, photographers, politicos, advertising and media types, dancers, tech geeks, food lovers, aspiring film directors, fashionistas and people for the ethical treatment of animals"...

Maybe we should add: ... "who won't be co-opted by advertisers on the site" ;)

The disclaimer at the bottom of blogTO is rather telling:

"Comments and blog entries represent the viewpoints of the individual and no one else."

This is what makes being a contributor here so great (and what also makes being an editor great).

blogTO contributors are encouraged to speak their mind, without having to conform to any wishes imposed by editors or advertisers.
sookie / February 15, 2007 at 10:37 am
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I hope no one will find it suspicious if I cover the auto show.
Tanja / February 15, 2007 at 10:44 am
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Haha.. Sookie.
I'm with everyone the other bloggers. I was excited about the new campaign -- always good to find some support to keep the blog thriving -- but the background is burning my eyes... I like that lil' car but now it's logo is following me everywhere and that is NOT a good thing.

Otherwise, the header is great. I love it.
RodB / February 15, 2007 at 10:48 am
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The background blows, but I love the new banner image and the inline ads are fine.

Please change the background before I go blind :)
Beth / February 15, 2007 at 11:03 am
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I agree with some of Amy's comments, and my response would be similar to Tim's - we will do our very best to prove to our readers that our content and opinions continue to be our own. We will be as irreverent/annoying/loveable/(insert your opinion here) as we ever were.

That said, the tiled background is in all honesty pretty horrendous. Perhaps if we must keep it, adjust the transparency so it is more "gray"? As it stands it's somewhat Mini-overload, and it would be an unfortunate side-effect of that possible overload to actually turn OFF our readers from this advertiser.
dave_in_t_o / February 15, 2007 at 11:04 am
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If someone paid me to blog or take photos, I'd take the money and run.
Why not?
brokenengine / February 15, 2007 at 11:05 am
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The background must go. Steve's hilarious myspace comment is no less apt due to it's humour.

So, did Cooper contact you directly, or did Taxi? Because Taxi does the marketing for Mini, doesn't it?
Rhalford / February 15, 2007 at 11:13 am
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Until I read the article I hadn't even noticed the symbols on the sides. As long as the content is unaffected the advertising is fine.
Steve / February 15, 2007 at 11:56 am
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I had the same questions as Amy, and you've answered them. I'm split on this. I know it's a reality of money and I certainly have no problem with you guys "gettin' paid, gettin' paid". You have a great site and...oh, what the hell, I still love ya' BlogTO...ya' crazy kid, ya'.
But yes, the background is giving me a grand mal seizure: - ) And at least you went with a cool product.
Amy Lavender Harris / February 15, 2007 at 12:32 pm
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Hey all (BlogTO writers especially); thanks for the thoughtful responses to my comment. I share your view that this is a conversation very much worth having.

I suspect my own views about (not just) editorial autonomy are a little extreme. My view is that the greater truth-claim a writer or publisher (or blog) makes, the greater its responsibility to ensure it does not become beholden to anything other than its principles. If that level of integrity amounts to a vow of poverty, so be it.

At the same time, most of us need to make enough money to live on, and so we sell our labour to employers or clients, or -- as in the case of many well-known blogs -- rely on advertising to subsidize our writing. We render unto Caesar what we must. But it means that -- if we are honest -- we must at least admit the possibility that our perspectives and statements may become transactional goods as well.

For the most part, BlogTO does not appear all that likely to be compromised by its advertisers. In part this is because BlogTO, like Torontoist and Reading Toronto (the forum I write for) do not rely on clearly defined truth-claims. We're too emergent, contingent, local, and diverse. As strongly as any of us may believe in what we write, ultimately our contributions here amount to a kind of playing with ideas. (that is not to say I think of this play as shallow or childish in any way)

But when we get the the point of articulating what we really think and believe in a coherent, sustained, integrated manner -- that is, when we stop playing and seek to hold ourselves up as authorities -- in my view we must choose whether we're going to render unto Caesar or the cosmos.

In the end, it's probably not a problem for BlogTO to be sponsored by Mini, but in my view it would be a bit more disconcerting to discover that Al Gore's <i>An Inconvenient Truth</i> was really just the first foray into a stealth advertising campaign for the company.

P.S. Sookie: I'll be sure to read your auto show write-up looking for signs you've been bought ... :)
lachlan / February 15, 2007 at 01:15 pm
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kind of upset I have to look at this much advertising when I come here. I honestly think you guy's took your self down a notch. The banner tie's into the site (barely) but the background is over-kill. Why don't you tell everyone how much money you got. Someone cleaned up on this deal and it's just another case of "If you can't beat em, join em" I honestly liked this site. You guy's are A Class sellouts!
Tim / February 15, 2007 at 01:30 pm
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Hi Lachlan,

I respect your opinion but I think your comments are a bit unfair. While I won't disclose the amount paid, I can assure you it's not anything that I think anyone would characterize as selling out. Like I said above, we tried to do this in a way that didn't impact negatively on the reader experience. So far, the main recurring point in the feedback has been that the background image is too much. As such, we're looking to address this so that it doesn't make everyone so cross-eyed. Also, keep in mind that this is only for a very short-term. Thanks.
Steve / February 15, 2007 at 01:41 pm
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Well, let's not be so quick to accuse BlogTO of "selling out". It's like those people that accuse musicians of "selling out" or becoming "whores".
Look, for the most part, we're all whores. Unless you would do the job you are doing right now if your' boss told you he/she was NOT giving you a paycheck anymore, then you are a whore. I am. I sell my time for money. I wouldn't show up if they weren't paying me. Would I prefer to be out taking photos or playing music? Hell Yes! But I would starve, I don't have the instinct or drive to turn my hobbies into a living. So, there are sell-outs and then there are those who are just trying to make a living doing what they enjoy. You guys write and take pictures and you can pay the rent, and you did it when you probably couldn't pay the rent. I wouldn't consider you guys sell-outs. You got more balls than I do, you started something and now it's at least starting to pay off a bit. BlogTO started out as a blog and caught the attention of a company like Mini Cooper...I'd say Bravo.
Keep up the Good Work!
Lachlan / February 15, 2007 at 02:11 pm
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I respect your opinion(s). I would try and defend myself just the same if I was trying to make a living off a blog.

Most blogs are done on one's spare time for fun, and to allow people to contribute for fun. I didn't know you guys are in the market of living off them. I will stick to ad free Torontoist. http://www.torontoist.com

They have no limited advertsing (mostly psa's) and no "all male & no booze wii parties"


adams / February 15, 2007 at 02:35 pm
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I'm not a big fan of the advertising. I figured this day would come, where the site kinda loses its innocence (if you will) and starts moving toward corporatedome. I guess its a testament to what a great product you guys put out. Is this the first step on a road leading to articles on the great handling of the new Mini Cooper, or how the Pepsi Taste Patrol is at Dundas Square this weekend? I really hope not. Please just dont let advertising dictate or affect your posts and dont fall prey to over advertising this site.
Tanja / February 15, 2007 at 02:39 pm
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From an editor's viewpoint, you can rest assured, no bloggers are going to be advert-blogging, that's for sure. Can you imagine? Everyone at blogTO writes independently -- advertising just ensures we've got money to pay the poor tech help who's been working 24/7 to fix the comment system (which should be working better now, btw)
Marc Lostracco / February 15, 2007 at 02:41 pm
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Lachlan: Torontoist is not ad-free, as much as David Topping and I wish it were. Nonetheless, we do have policies against intrusive advertising, like flashing backgrounds/text, ads that play sound, ads that generally interfere with the site design template, and those "Congratulations! You're the Millionth Visitor!" or "Click Here to Scan Your Computer for Viruses" ads, which are just plain evil.

Marc
<a href="http://www.torontoist.com/>;Torontoist.com</a>
Jerrold / February 15, 2007 at 02:45 pm
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We should host an all female total boozefest Wii party and post it here. Who wants to sign up? ;)
Wes / February 15, 2007 at 03:08 pm
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the background is driving me crazy
Gloria / February 15, 2007 at 03:12 pm
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The background is really distracting. It seems to slow down load time, and while I wait for the regular white backing to load, I just stare at that dizzying mess.
Ryan C. / February 15, 2007 at 03:27 pm
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There was a bottle of whiskey at the Wii party. Blame me for no girls showing up, as Tanja's troupe was hindered by my awful directions...

I dunno, I like the tiling background... Haven't found the page takes longer to load either.
Ian / February 15, 2007 at 03:41 pm
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I don't mind the banner too much, but I'll agree that the background tiling is (to me) a bit much. As a general rule I think people are willing to put up with a certain amount of advertising (as many of the comments here suggest), but once you start banging people over the head with it you wind up with some pretty <a href="http://www.blogto.com/city/2006/02/dundas_square_gets_uglier/";>unfortunate results</a>.
Dan / February 15, 2007 at 03:51 pm
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Perhaps there's another spot on the site where ads can be posted? It's nice to have the banner reserved for more inspiring city pics, no?
Martinho / February 15, 2007 at 04:17 pm
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It ain't cool. Sorry. But there are far too many car ads already in this town.

Ryan C-3.P.0-no / February 15, 2007 at 04:22 pm
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You guys do realize that it's actually one of those 3D-Calendar type things. If you relax your eyes, Ashlee Simpson jumps out at you.

I'd suggest keeping your eyes attentive and alert.
Lachlan / February 15, 2007 at 04:25 pm
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Can I be invited to the all girl boozefest wii party?
Kevin / February 15, 2007 at 06:59 pm
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There is a right way to advertise and a wrong way, this is the wrong way. Of course advertisement is necessary on a free site, but a giant top bar banner, side flash ad, and worst of all the 60,000 MINI logos behind everything? Hideous.
Zach / February 15, 2007 at 07:32 pm
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RSS readers anyone?
mishka / February 15, 2007 at 08:09 pm
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Owww! My eyes!!

can... hardly... type... with eyes... crossed...

Jerrold / February 15, 2007 at 08:19 pm
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Ahhhhhhh. I feel like I'm floating in a pool of bliss now :)
Steve Keys / February 15, 2007 at 08:27 pm
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Why, Jerrold, did you buy a MINI?
Jerrold / February 15, 2007 at 08:31 pm
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Lol. Nah. I just recently bought a used Ford Escort though, and it's certainly no pool of bliss. A to B it gets me.
kevin bracken / February 15, 2007 at 08:48 pm
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When it comes to advertising, I usually prefer that it is not for an automobile, but the mini certainly gets better mpg than most.
x_the_x / February 15, 2007 at 08:49 pm
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I wonder: will the anti-advertising/public space defending speciousness continue now that you have published one of the most obtrusive, garish ads I have ever seen?
Tamara / February 15, 2007 at 09:55 pm
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I think the ad is cool. It caught my eye, but did not take away from reading and exploring other listings.
If it keeps BlogTO alive- I say stick with it!
megan / February 15, 2007 at 10:26 pm
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okay, so, I was intrigued enough that I clicked on the ad and went through it. And the truth is, I found it all quite amusing. It reminded me a lot of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy actually. I liked it enough that I clicked through to watch all the little movies. I won't be leaping out and buying a mini, 'cause, well, damn, those things are expensive! but I still quite enjoyed the 10 minutes I spent on the site...
Tim / February 15, 2007 at 10:32 pm
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Just wanted to post an update that we have heard your feedback and replaced the background ad. We think this is a lot less jarring. If you don't see the change, please refresh your browser. Thanks.

Sameer Vasta / February 16, 2007 at 01:20 am
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So it looks like I missed the garish background because I was off the web for a while, but to tell you the truth, I quite like the new banner image. It works.
mishka / February 16, 2007 at 02:16 am
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:sigh of relief:

Lovely to see the change, thanks blogTO, you rock ballz!

Just clicked the black background and it took me to the sleek Mini Cooper site. Now if only others listened to their audience...

Lachlan / February 16, 2007 at 10:16 am
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Thanks to BlogTO for changing the background. Good show!
Steve Keys / February 16, 2007 at 12:28 pm
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Urge to kill... fading... fading... fading - RISING! Fading... fading... gone.
yippeeee / February 16, 2007 at 04:14 pm
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Nicely done!
Jonathan R. / February 16, 2007 at 10:09 pm
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Off-topic, but since we\re talking about editorial content ansd ID'iong ourselves as blogTO contributors where applicable, one small clarification: Jonathan waaay up in comment #4 up there is not me, the Jonathan who writes for this site (I'll post a bio soon, I know it's overdue, despite the proliferation of such paragraphs around these here Internets).

So I guess people like ... stuff ... again?
Bobbie K. / February 17, 2007 at 01:31 pm
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I personally dont mind this blog hooking up with minicooper at all. I own a minicooper and its a GREAT car. Get the word out. Its a car worth owning...why not "blog" about it? Its just another opinion..
lenovo / February 17, 2007 at 10:43 pm
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<I>"I personally dont mind this blog hooking up with minicooper at all. I own a minicooper and its a GREAT car. Get the word out. Its a car worth owning...why not "blog" about it? Its just another opinion..</I>
<BR><BR>Bobbie K, without a doubt, you are definitely an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing";>astroturfer</a>. I take it you're on Mini's payroll?
Bobbie K / February 17, 2007 at 11:54 pm
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Lenovo,

No, I honestly am not an astroturfer. I just love the car. Its just a fun car to drive. Its more than just "transportation".
Ell / February 20, 2007 at 01:49 am
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When I'm at home I don't see the ads at all (an awesome bonus from my adblockers?) but that made it even more disconcerting when I noticed that every time I accidentally clicked the sidebars I went to the mini website..

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