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The Best Pet Stores in Toronto

Posted by Elizabeth / February 24, 2010

Pet Stores TorontoThe best pet stores in Toronto can be found in almost every neighbourhood in the city. There's no denying Torontonians love their pets, every popular retail block seems to have a handful of specialty boutiques with products and services dedicated to pampering your precious fur baby. As a creepy cat lady in training it comes as no surprise to me that the majority of these shops go to the dogs, as there are plenty of spots to get your pup clipped and coiffed, massaged and photographed by a professional (my cat Nigel assures me he is not interested in any of this!).

Having a doggie birthday party? Why not order a custom dog cake from Big Dog Bakery in the Beach. Find high end designer dog clothing straight off the doggie runways at Cosmopawlitan on Queens Quay. Or maybe you want sleek and modern dog furniture from Timmie's Doggie Outfitters?

Rest assured fellow cat worshipers, you have not been totally overlooked! Feline fun can be found at some of these 12 spots, nominated by our readers as the best pet stores in Toronto.

Previously: The Best Pet Grooming and Daycare in Toronto

Timmie Doggie Outfitters

Timmie Doggie Outfitters

Timmie Doggie Outfitters brings style to your dog and cat accessories and products. Two graphic designers running shop has it filled with unique, modern designs for everything from pet furniture to leashes to dishes and bowls. Order online or visit the Leslieville or West Queen West shops, the latter conveniently located next to Helmutt's Pet Supply, making it a one stop shopping destination for stylish pets. More »

Helmutt's Pet Supply

Helmutt's Pet Supply

Helmutt's will give you everything your pet needs from nutritional food products to organic treats, bowls, toys and everything in between. If they don't have it in stock, just ask and they'll try to get it for you. Local, healthy food for your dog or cat. Located right next to Timmie Doggie Outfitters, it's the perfect place to stock up on the basics. More »

Annex Pet Supplies

Annex Pet Supplies

Annex Pet Supplies will deliver what your pets need on the weekends, if you're too busy playing fetch to get out to the store. The emphasis here is on local and healthy as much as possible. Toys, treats, litter pans and scratching posts, this store caters to both cat and dog lovers. More »

The Bone House

The Bone House

The Bone House features 85% Canadian made and 100% eco friendly products for pups. This cute little Queen East shop carries a wide range of products from doggie bathrobes to "business bags". A photographer offers a fun alternative to more traditional pet portraits. More »

Kennel Cafe

Kennel Cafe

Kennel Cafe doesn't serve coffee to dogs, but it does stock a wide variety of natural, organic and earth-friendly products. Check the website for nutritional seminars, or submit a photo to the annual pet photo contest, or cat adoption days. Delivery available and frequent buyer programs make this a must shop for Roncesvalles pets. More »

Big Dog Bakery

Big Dog Bakery

Big Dog Bakery in the Beaches offers a unique spin on baked goods, offering local, premium, human grade ingredients. But if you're not fond of chick pea flour and salmon cupcakes, maybe your dog or cat might be! Big Dog does custom dog cakes for all occasions, with 10 varieties to choose from. More »

PetPod

PetPod

PetPod is a modern alternative to the traditional pet store, with sleek designs and the most fashionable litter boxes this side of Manhattan. Local, hand made doggie coats and sweaters cut from the remnants of nearby designers workbenches, ensure your pup is looking at least as good if not better than you while you strut your stuff down King West. More »

My Dog Spot

My Dog Spot

My Dog Spot offers skillful grooming for your dog (or cat), starting at $45, as well as a variety of other spa-like services. The staff are friendly here and obviously love their furry clients. The shop also features a quaint selection of treats, toys and accessories for both cats and dogs. More »

Planet Dog

Planet Dog

Planet dog specializes in natural and holistic diets, and also offers full service grooming or just quick bath or towel dry after a muddy play session outside. As well, at Planet Dog you can find bedding, fun toys, stylish clothing and boots and accessories, grooming supplies and natural herbal remedies. More »

My Pet Boutique

My Pet Boutique

My Pet Boutique is a stop for the most fashionable dogs in Yorkville, offering up gourmet treats, quality toys and gifts for both cat and dog lovers. Order up a ready made gift basket, or have My Pet Boutique custom design one just for you and your favourite pet. More »

Cosmopawlitan

Cosmopawlitan

Cosmopawlitan offers up spa treatments that are vital for the heath and wellness of your dog or cat. Drop them off for a day of play and socializing and know that they'll be well taken care of in a cage-free environment. Also at the shop is a huge selection of clothing, for every pet-occasion, as well as toys and of course the basics. More »

Small Wonders

Small Wonders

Small Wonders Pet Emporium is chock full everything pet. Two resident cats keep a close eye on customers as they browse a huge selection of toys and food and pet supplies and friendly staff are on hand to make sure that you get just what your pet needs. More »

Discussion

79 Comments

Dawn / February 24, 2010 at 10:12 am
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YAY TIMMIES!!!
The one thing I miss about not living in Leslieville is Timmies. Such a great shop, so friendly and lot's of cool things in there that aren't ridiculously expensive. Pretty reasonable.
Simon / February 24, 2010 at 10:24 am
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I'm not sure how Menagerie was left out of this! Aside from the great stuff they have for dogs and cats they're one of the few places that have a great selection of OTHER kinds of pets too! Everything from some amazing birds to snakes to tropical fish and its staffed by a great group of people.

ALSO...a lesser-known spot on Dovercourt near Hallam is Earth Echoes. Bearded dragons, all sorts of snakes, lizards, geckos and all the supplies you'll ever need backed by some amazing knowledge (tough to find) make this a great place.
Kate / February 24, 2010 at 10:24 am
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I'm surprised to find that Menagerie Pet Shop isn't on this list.
They've got an amazing fish department - but this list seems pretty slanted towards things with fur.
Peter / February 24, 2010 at 10:28 am
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I too echo my awe at the omission of Menagerie on Parliament. The people there actually care about the pets and special note to the bird section and that they do bird sit (for a fee).
keven / February 24, 2010 at 10:39 am
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Guys! This is a reader's poll. If you wanted something included, you should have added it when the call for submissions went out.

I can't believe that EVERY single time there is a best of on blogTO that someone has to repeat this lol.

Timmies is missed by our family after we moved far away from it :(
We now go to the petview on John/Queen, it's pretty decent actually, but it ain't no Timmies.
N / February 24, 2010 at 10:40 am
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Elizabeth, two things:

1. This list should be called "The Best Mutt Supply Shops in Toronto". This is a dog list. This is not a pet list. Pets are myriad. Surely you had a hamster growing up.

2. The omission of the Menagerie -- one of the best and most varied pet stores in the province -- is foolish, even given #1 above, as it's a fine place for mutt supplies as well.

Research, research, research.

Also, get a cat.
I Haz Read? / February 24, 2010 at 11:00 am
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"(my cat Nigel assures me he is not interested in any of this!)"

Taken directly from the article. Way to nullify anything you said prior to that.
Pascale / February 24, 2010 at 11:02 am
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I too cannot believe that Menagerie was overlooked! Unless this was a list of best "Pet Boutiques". For my part, I couldn't care less if a place can bake a custom cake for my dog's birthday party. I do however, care that I'm paying $10 more for the came bag of dog food or that the staff there knows nothing other than the fact they carry Juicy Couture for chihuahuas...

I know I may be exaggerating a bit here but I've been to most of the places listed and still go religiously to Menagerie, even though it is out of my way, with the once in a blue moon stop at either Timmies or Small Wonders.

Menagerie may be a little cluttered inside and they may not carry the latest designer pet duds or pooch pastries. They do however carry an extensive selection of quality foods and treats, with a lot of healthy, organic, holistic, and biologically appropriate options. The staff is very friendly and knowledgeable and you instantly notice that are true animal lovers.

Services they offer above and beyond your normal pet store
(at a fee of course):
- Bird nail and wing clipping as well as boarding
- Reptile boarding
- Self serve dog/cat bathing station

Any true animal lover should at least check these guys out, It's well worth the detour! My pooch and I have been going there for over 4 years now and I don't foresee it changing any time soon.
JayDub replying to a comment from Kate / February 24, 2010 at 11:02 am
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I'm also surprised that Menagerie is missing from the list. It's really darn hard to find quality ferret supplies in this city. Everyone's supplier is whitewashing the stores with Marshall's junk.
keven / February 24, 2010 at 11:19 am
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let's say this ALL together now people:

"nominated by our readers"

It's so annoying how these threads are 95%: Why isn't such and such place on the list!

Short Answer: Cause you DIDN'T NOMINATE IT!
Victor / February 24, 2010 at 11:19 am
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Wow, the claws really come out when defending pet stores! :)
Ratpick replying to a comment from N / February 24, 2010 at 11:26 am
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I guess not many orangutan owners chimed in to the poll!

Insight to take away from this is that dog owners spend a fortune on pet-lifestyle accessories ... cat owners do not.

Elizabeth / February 24, 2010 at 11:37 am
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For what it's worth, I also love Menagerie and was disappointed it did not make this best of list. As for these shops being skewed towards dogs, lets face it - dog owners love it and any cat lover knows they only care about the box their stuff comes in anyway. :)
jim / February 24, 2010 at 12:33 pm
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the dog lounge rules!!!!
dla / February 24, 2010 at 12:35 pm
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I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE MENAGERIE WAS NOT ON THIS LIST !
foufou dog / February 24, 2010 at 01:28 pm
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All these great pet shops need to carry www.foufoudog.com

We are a canadian company that specializes in designer doggy wear and accessories. We have given functional a new twist :)

Pls visit our site for more info or contact us at 416.628.1916

For the nearest retailer or if you are interested in selling our brand

Happy shopping :)
bumdarts / February 24, 2010 at 01:48 pm
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If you love your pet, don't embarrass it by making it wear a damn tutu! Please!
Krissy / February 24, 2010 at 02:21 pm
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re:keven
Ok, so what does it matter if the list was nominated by readers, people can still comment on how they are surprised something didn't make it. It also gives people looking at the list more options of places...
Dawn replying to a comment from Krissy / February 24, 2010 at 02:52 pm
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OR?
You could nominate and see your choice listed, than you wouldn't be 'so' surprised that it wasn't listed! ;) Cause honestly, if all of you actually nominated this store, it would have made the list.

WTF / February 24, 2010 at 03:22 pm
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Am i the only one who is shocked that Menagerie didnt make this list?
I really thought more people would have voted for Menagerie.
But nothing. Not a peep from any commetors either.
My vote is for Menagerie.
Everyone should check it out. Thats Menagerie. Great place.
Once again for those you dont know..its called Menagerie.
mathew / February 24, 2010 at 04:27 pm
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i just wanted to thank everyone for our nomination and wanted to share my wife Melanie's and my sincere appreciation for our shop, PET POD being chosen for the list. i also want to put in a good word for menagerie, which is where i personally get my marine aquarium livestock and food for our pet ball python and leopard geckos. i see there are alot of menagerie fans posting replys to this article, add Melanie and i to the list! menagerie only stocks captive propigated corals and marine livestock and as anyone who has shopped at Pet Pod knows, we are all about being as environmentally consious as possible. we specialize in dog and cat accessories and select food and treats, and basic fish foods but i have no hesitation referring clients to menagerie for exotics and non cat/dog items, as well as to the above other shops and umbrella pets if we don't carry what you are looking for. my wife and i are pet lovers first and if we don't carry it, it won't hurt our business one bit to send you where we know you can get what you are looking for. plus it will mae your pets and you happy, and you just might come back to us next time you are looking for something else!

thanks again to everyone,

Mathew and Melanie, owners, Pet Pod
Doose / February 24, 2010 at 04:38 pm
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Just wondering HOW you nominate a location for the Best of Toronto?
Dawn replying to a comment from Doose / February 24, 2010 at 04:44 pm
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They post an entry calling for nominations, you just have to watch for it!
Kate replying to a comment from keven / February 24, 2010 at 05:32 pm
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If "95%: Why isn't such and such place on the list!" then maybe that's a HUGE indication that the polls aren't obvious enough on the site.

I'd look to correcting some flawed web design rather then trying to insult readers.
5andman / February 24, 2010 at 10:04 pm
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Shouldn't this be THE BEST CAT & DOG PET STORES?

I've got a rabbit, and unfortunately I have to go the suburbs to get my treats for my pet!
James / February 24, 2010 at 10:36 pm
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We have two guinea pigs and in order to get their proper food (Oxbow Hay and Pellets) we have to go to Global Pet Foods at Yonge and Davisville. It's the only pet store in the city that supplies Oxbow products, which is by far the best brand for guinea pigs, rabbits, chinchillas and other small animals.
HUK / February 25, 2010 at 07:35 am
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What is the process to nominate a particular business on this website?
laurel / February 25, 2010 at 07:53 am
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maybe less people know about it, but menagerie definitely should have been on this list! (and I did vote for it!) really reccomend it for reptiles, fish and the fluffy ones. really, really awesome staff, reasonable prices, and they take proper care of their animals, unlike the major pet stores.

www.menageriepetshop.com/
laurel / February 25, 2010 at 07:55 am
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Mathew, I'll definitely be checking out PetPod soon, you guys sound great!
mathew / February 25, 2010 at 09:12 am
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@ laurel, thanks, we look forward to seeing you.
also, i just wanted to say that as we are a small store, we try to stock what our customers are looking for, so you can buy what you want, rather than what we want to sell you. if you are looking for something we don't have, we can defiantly look at doing a special order for you and if enough people are looking for the same product/line, etc, we can look at carrying it full time. we opened with a very small inventory and asked everyone coming in what they were looking for and are trying our best to tailor or inventory to our customers, while also striving to carry as many environmentally friendly products as possible.

thanks again for everyones votes,

Mathew, Pet Pod
keven replying to a comment from Kate / February 25, 2010 at 10:35 am
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No amount of "web" design can fix people refusing to read instructions.
whateves / February 25, 2010 at 11:42 am
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this thread was hijacked to advertise your small biz, MATHEW?
Tacky!!!
ps. spell check is something you should give a try.
mathew / February 25, 2010 at 11:57 am
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@whateves, i wasn't hijacking the thread at all. people were commenting that all the above shops only sold cat and dog items and i was only saying that we could special order for people looking for supplies for other animals. I was also praising menagerie, as were a lot of other posters for the great job they do and for the fact that they sell supplies for other animals, not just cats and dogs. my original post was to thank everyone who voted and to also support the other shops that were mentioned along with a few that were not. I don't see how praising other shops and referring others to them is advertising my business, being on the list is advertising enough for me. Sorry about the spelling errors, i don't have spell check on my work computer. thank you again to all who have supported us, we truely appreciate it!
Tate / February 25, 2010 at 02:34 pm
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I'm just glad the Bark & Fitz franchise didn't make this list.
They only care about profits and a high percentage of their goods are NOT from Canada. I'm happy to see that people are supporting their local neighbours and NOT A FRANCHISE :)
Pascale / February 25, 2010 at 09:48 pm
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@Keven

Where the heck do we nominate or vote on these Best Of poll???

I've scoured the website and found nothing, is it hidden and only available to certain user???
James / February 25, 2010 at 09:51 pm
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Just looked at the Menagerie website... it looks like they sell guinea pigs. Is this true? I hope not. I'm only going to say this in case someone stumbles upon this site when they're searching for a guinea pig: Please do not purchase a guinea pig from a store. Like cats and dogs, there are shelters full of guinea pigs that are thought to be "throw-away" pets, only unlike cats and dogs people don't think to look into shelters for them. Guinea pigs in pet stores tend to be sick, and sometimes inbred. Buying them from a store only perpetuates the cycle. So please, if you're going to get a guinea pig (preferably you'd get two so they have a buddy as well) please go to a shelter. Sorry about hijacking a bit, but my gf and I try to educate about guinea pigs where we can because they're awesome pets that often don't get proper care. For other guinea pig info go here: http://www.guineapigcages.com/
Jack / February 26, 2010 at 12:45 am
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It sounds like some of you either work or own Menagerie,...or you're just some weird and scary person that shops there,...

Your passionate comments may hurt the image of Menagerie. Look above,...now you have activists getting involved, making Menagerie look even worse, since they supports guinea-mill's that breed these animals in terrible conditions.

Next time, blogto may have an extra category. Best Live Pet and Supply Shop in Toronto. All the haters of nice pet shops can all vote then.

BTW, if you're so hardcore about getting your votes in,...maybe you should read the blog more often, so that you don't miss a thing.

Congratulations to Helmutt's for making the list. By far the best Pet Supply shop in west Toronto.
M replying to a comment from James / February 27, 2010 at 07:51 pm
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Helmutt's Pet Supply carries those items! I have bought for my rabbit there many times..and they are always willing to order me stuff that you mau want but do not see in store
tega / March 1, 2010 at 12:34 pm
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I love The Bone House they have cozy beds, healthy food, yummy treats, and the coolest toys. I like the eco friendly canadian made concept as well. The prices are the best in the city so my human loves it too.


Tega
James replying to a comment from M / March 1, 2010 at 07:50 pm
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That's good to know. When we first got our two GPs, my girlfriend called a few dozen places and none carried what we needed. Not sure if she called Helmutt's, but it's good to know that they supply proper food. Far too many stores sell crap that isn't meant to be eaten at all by small animals and pass it off as daily essential food.

@Jack: I'm not an activist who is against Menagerie. I just happen to be a pet owner who owns a kind of animal that a lot of people think of as "throw-aways". It's not activism, it's education. That's all.
Barry replying to a comment from Tate / March 2, 2010 at 05:30 am
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I disagree. I shop at the Bark & Fitz in Bloor West Village. The staff are super knowledgeable not to mention extremely friendly. Bark & Fitz is Canadian, with three stores in different parts of the city. And they sell plenty of Canadian products. My dog's harness is made by Smoochy Poochie, which is an independent Canadian maker (I think it's one woman that makes them). I know they have very strict guidelines as to what time of food they'll sell, (ie. nothing with corn, wheat, gluten, by-products, etc). And the food I buy (Orijen) is also Canadian. When I first got a dog, I was clueless and would have bought anything. But the owner of the Bark & Fitz actually talked me out of buying stuff I didn't need. She wasn't in for a quick buck, and has kept me as a loyal customer because of it.
Miss Kodee / March 5, 2010 at 02:46 pm
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Oh dear, so many stores, so little time!! Many thanks!
Olga / March 6, 2010 at 01:55 pm
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Does someone knows of good place for rabbit treats? :)
Thank you!
And yes, I totally agree with Pascale, it is a Pet Boutiques list for dog owners.
MrPotato / March 6, 2010 at 09:35 pm
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Petpod & Timmie Doggie Outfitters are my favorites! I also love the Pawsway near Harbourfront.
TC Sclocco replying to a comment from James / March 9, 2010 at 08:47 am
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First, let me say thanks to all who voted for us...it's nice to see our name in print! No doubt the majority of our business is for our four-legged furries, but we've always made sure to have supplies for birds, fish and small animals too. And if it's not on the shelf, and we can lay our hands on it, we'll get it in for you. Oxbow is an excellent brand, and I'm happy to say it's our main one for small animal supply. Cheers all! and Thanks again!
BTW...I can't believe no one nominated Menagerie either! Excellent shop, none the less!
TC Sclocco replying to a comment from TC Sclocco / March 9, 2010 at 09:27 am
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I suppose it would have been helpful to actually mention our shop's name...from the gang here at Helmutt's, thanks.
Nena replying to a comment from Barry / March 9, 2010 at 01:23 pm
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I agree with some of what Barry has said. First of all, it is a Canadian franchise. However, there's allot that is NOT Canadian with the exception of Smoochy Poochy. I have shopped in all 3 locations, Yonge, Bloor West and The Beach. And let me tell you..........
Bloor West - Absolutely Fabulous, caring, friendly, knowledgeable staff. Nothing negative to say about them.

Yonge - So-so on the staff BUT the prices are wayyyy cheaper than the other 2 locations. I know, I have shopped around between all three to get the better deal. The beach location is the highest.

The Beach - The last time I was there, I asked a staff member about the food (actually I've been told she's the new manager - about a year) and she pulled a bag of food and read it to me. Very knowledgeable, indeed, NOT (I can read the bag myself, thank you very much). I also overheard her say to one of her staff that, "LESS TALK AND MORE SALES - YOU DON'T SELL - WE DON'T MAKE MONEY - YOU DON'T GET PAID". Maybe, that's the attitude that Tate has witness in order to have said that they only care about profit. I've been told that the beaches community is not very fond of that store's new management (I have allot of friends there). I myself, live in the Queens Quay area and work in the retail industry. So, I have to travel to buy the goods. So, I go where the staff is fabulous and the price is low and most of all where the staff and the clients are treated with respect and dignity. And that will NOT BE THE BEACH LOCATION OF BARK AND FITZ.

There's a new store in The Beach, TAILS, I've been to it, it carries everything and it's locally owned by a well educated owner, Dianne. Check it out people, i think you'll like it.
jim / March 10, 2010 at 01:56 pm
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Feel jipped for not getting your vote!
Vote for your Best of T.O in Now Toronto
http://www.nowtoronto.com/bestof/index.cfm
diane / March 12, 2010 at 12:47 pm
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Thanks for the mention, Nena. We are an independent pet store and try our hardest to stock only the best lines for all animals. The small animals, birds, reptiles and fish that we carry are very well looked after and we make every effort to make sure they all end up at the best homes. In regards to guinea pigs, we love the little furballs and would never let them live alone or sell them to someone with a "throwaway" mentality. We also carry the full-line of Oxbow for those fans!
Nena replying to a comment from Nena / March 12, 2010 at 01:40 pm
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What I forgot to mention was.... because of the attitude at the beach location of the Bark and Fitz and now that I know better. I WILL NEVER SHOP IN ANY OF THE BARK AND FITZ STORES and I will make sure that none of my family and friends do, either. PRETENTIOUS, GREEDY FRANCHISE.
Harold replying to a comment from James / March 13, 2010 at 10:17 am
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@James. The Menagerie gets 99% of their GP's from customers who've had litters of them and trade them for supplies. We do not buy guinea pigs from suppliers that mass produce animals. We also rarely have any in store. We also sell Oxbow products as well as Cavi Nature line from Europe which most stores haven't even heard of. Have you actually talked to anyone from the Menagerie about the animals we sell? Assuming a pet shop gets it's animals from dubious sources just because they have a picture on their website is pretty short sighted. The Menagerie probably refuses more sales of small animals, birds, reptiles and even fish then we sell if we feel the persons interested are not willing to provide proper care.

thanks to all the nice comments from everyone. We have a lot of awesome customers many of whom have been coming for decades and that's the only poll that matters to us!

Support your local independent pet supply shop!
Mike / March 23, 2010 at 10:37 pm
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My Pet Boutique is by far the best. They always update their inventory.

Jed / March 27, 2010 at 11:14 am
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Are there any good aquarium supply stores in the city?
AJ / April 30, 2010 at 08:15 pm
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How could My Pet Boutique rank 2 spots higher than Small Wonders? I suppose if you use cost or fanciness as your criteria, but other than that, there is NO COMPARISON!

Small Wonders wins out in quality, variety, diversity, knowledge, service, professionalism, etc. And to boot, their staff have been around for years, so there is continuity.

At My Pet Boutique, even the 'healthy snacks' aren't even the best on the market, to name a few of the differences I see.
K and T (and little J) / May 29, 2010 at 05:28 pm
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We love Cosmopawlitan! First off, the owner and staff are very knowledgeable and friendly! They'll do anything within their power to special order products that you need. Second, they have some of the cutest cat and dog outfits/beds etc. around. Third, they're fairly priced and in a great and convenient location (lots of dog walking in our area) :) If you're in the area, you should definitely drop by!
diane replying to a comment from Jed / May 29, 2010 at 07:32 pm
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Hi Jed! I went to highschool with you (Schickerowsky), and just coincidentally, own a pet store in Toronto! We have a good selection of aquarium supplies, and will certainly order in anything else you may need! I'd love to have you drop by to see!
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Bart B. Van Bockstaele / October 18, 2010 at 03:08 am
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I am surprised that "pet stores" that do not sell animals manage to be nominated. They are properly called "pet supply stores" not "pet stores".

Why the Menagerie did not get nominated, I do not understand. It is a wonderful store, with great people. They deserve our support and admiration.

The only reason I did not buy my previous hamster and my present hamster from them, was because they didn't have any in stock. They are fairly close to where I live, and I have always given them the first opportunity to sell me an animal.

I do not understand the hatred spouted against stores that sell animals.

My previous hamster was bought from PJ's at Yonge and Eglinton. It was a great experience. My present one was bought from the PJ's at Yonge (close to Lawrence). It was a wonderful experience.

As for Bark & Fitz, to me, they look pretty much like the Whole Foods of the pet supply world. Pretentious, overpriced, largely useless junk that is overhyped by meaningless blather.

I refer to buy stuff that my pets need and are likely to enjoy, not junk that tries to be some of weird status symbol.
Bart B. Van Bockstaele replying to a comment from AJ / October 18, 2010 at 03:13 am
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AJ said: "At My Pet Boutique, even the 'healthy snacks' aren't even the best on the market, to name a few of the differences I see."

That reminds of Noah's "health" food store. They used to have "Dutch stroopwafels". They sure are delicious, but how ruthlessly unscrupulous does one have to be to call them a "health food"?
Nicole replying to a comment from 5andman / October 31, 2010 at 06:13 pm
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Where do you go in the suburbs for rabbit supplies?

Anyone with a pet rabbit in the GTA should check out The Toronto Rabbit Cooperative. There's online listings of rabbit-friendly supply stores and more. Post your own listings and reviews, too: help build up the store of knowledge! http://torontorabbits.wordpress.com

(This is not a business.)
Teresa replying to a comment from Bart B. Van Bockstaele / November 29, 2010 at 03:01 pm
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The hatred spouted against stores that sell animals is based on the pet overpopulation problem.

Animal shelters and rescue groups throughout the GTA are literally stocked full of unwanted pets. A vast amount of these pets are killed because there's not enough room for them (most shelters are not "no-kill").

Meanwhile, breeders keep pumping out more pets, placing them in pet stores, and a significant percentage of them end up killed at a shelter.

If pet stores stopped selling pets, the breeding industry would take a huge hit, and more and more people would go to shelters for their pets. The overpopulation crisis would definitely improve.

The Menagerie is great for supplies, but next time you're in the market for a hamster, please: Don't Shop! Adopt! (Yes, the THS does have hamsters.)
Sandman / November 29, 2010 at 04:00 pm
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Great slogan!

Don't Shop! Adopt!

Don't Shop! Adopt!

Don't Shop! Adopt!
Bart B. Van Bockstaele replying to a comment from Teresa / December 11, 2010 at 05:07 pm
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That hatred is directed at the wrong people. Cars kill thousands of people every year, but we don't spout hatred at the manufacturers. Likewise, it is not the store's fault that some people are irresponsible.

"No-Kill" sounds great, but isn't, and makes rather little sense. Many, if not most, pets are carnivores. In order to feed them meat, animals must be killed. There are thousands of unwanted animals in shelters. Might just as well feed them to the carnivores rather than breed new animals as feeders.

The THS also has snakes. Feed the hamsters, mice, rats, guinea pigs to them. What sense does it make to keep them in an overpopulated shelter while at the same time buying feeder animals to feed these snakes? None.
Teresa replying to a comment from Bart B. Van Bockstaele / December 11, 2010 at 08:29 pm
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Hatred isn't at issue - this is criticism. But it is the store that's being irresponsible, by selling this product.

No-kill isn't about vegetarianism, it's about not "euthanasizing" animals because of space reasons. Thousands of animals are killed every year just to make room for more animals - that's the problem. I don't know about carnivorous pets, but I'm sure any shelter that keeps them is feeding them properly.
Bart B. Van Bockstaele / December 13, 2010 at 01:32 am
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Not quite. The store is simply doing what stores are supposed to do: sell. It is not the store's fault when a customer misuses or abuses what he or she bought, regardless of what it is.

I got obese because I love cheese: brie, camembert, port salut, gouda, cheddar, goat cheese, roquefort, stilton... That is not the store's fault. It is mine.

As I said, most of our pets are carnivores. Dogs are meateaters, so are cats. Together, they are the vast majority of pets. But hamsters, rats and mice eat meat as do many other rodents. Snakes may be a much smaller category, but most of them are meat eaters.

In the case of snakes, the no-kill standpoint is about as ridiculous as it gets. If THS has snakes, and it has hamsters, rats, mice, guinea pigs, rabbits and other animals up for adoption while it is feeding the snakes feeder rodents, there is some serious disconnect there.

"I'm sure any shelter that keeps them is feeding them properly" is about as naive as it gets. The THS got in trouble precisely because it was not treating its animals properly.

No one is arguing that there are no irresponsible pet owners. But blaming the stores instead of these owners, makes no sense, and is of a nature of making the thinking part of the population turn away in disgust from shelters and animal protection agencies.
Teresa replying to a comment from Bart B. Van Bockstaele / December 13, 2010 at 11:36 am
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"It's not the store's fault if a customer misuses what he bought" - I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm not talking about animal abuse. I'm talking about the pet overpopulation crisis, which breeders and retailers contribute to directly by the very acts of breeding and retailing. It's about the market, not how consumers treat the product once they get it home.

"Dogs, cats, and rodents are carnivores" - I don't understand your point.

"If THS has snakes..." - I think we've gone off-course. First of all, why are we talking "if"s? Let's stick to what we know and not waste time with conjecture. Second of all, while I understand the conflict of interest you're suggesting, ultimately it doesn't affect my argument because (1) the vast majority of animals killed in shelters due to overpopulation are cats and dogs, which aren't fed to snakes anyway, and (2) it doesn't change my point that new hamsters shouldn't be bred while other hamsters are awaiting adoption in shelters.
keven replying to a comment from Bart B. Van Bockstaele / December 13, 2010 at 01:14 pm
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While it might be the customers fault for buying a pet that they later would rather discard then take care of, it's not the fault of the living, breathing pet that will now have to be killed to make up for the customer's bad judgement.

Likewise, if a pet store is selling pets (9/10 times from pet mills, which causes a HOST of other problems), knowing that there is a pet over-population and that there is a 80% chance of euthanization for the animal in the near future that is irresponsible on the part of the pet store.

Supply and demand is critical here. There is a HUGE supply and little demand. Pet stores are adding more supply into the mix for no other reason than their bottom line. If you don't see a problem with that, you're probabaly not an animal lover and therefore I'm unsure why you would even bother reading comments in an article about pet stores.

"What sense does it make to keep them in an overpopulated shelter while at the same time buying feeder animals to feed these snakes?"

What part of the name Toronto "HUMANE" Society are you having a problem grasping exactly?
Bart B. Van Bockstaele replying to a comment from Teresa / December 13, 2010 at 03:11 pm
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I realise full well that we are talking about overpopulation. That's precisely the point. It makes no sense whatsoever to keep unwanted (or, possibly more correct: wanted but no longer cared for because the owners couldn't afford it for some reason) animals alive, while buying food that comes from the killing of animals to keep them alive.

Or more bluntly: How humane is it, to kill a cow to feed an unwanted dog because you don't want to kill the dog? Or is our "love for animals" limited to only those that just happen to be seen as cuddly in our culture? That's not being humane, it's being speciesist, and that's as condemnable as being racist.

The "if" was simply a rhetorical question. The Humane Society DOES have reptiles. And it DOES feed them feeder animals. Again, where is the "humaneness" in breeding and killing feeder animals to keep these reptiles and other carnivores alives, when there are plenty of animals in stock nobody wants?

The hamster example is a prime example. So killing an unwanted hamster in order to feed a snake is inhumane, but keeping this unwanted hamster alive while feeding the snake a hamster that has been bred specifically to feed the snake is humane? Is it that hard to see an ethical contradiction/hypocrisy here?
Bart B. Van Bockstaele replying to a comment from keven / December 13, 2010 at 03:13 pm
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The comment I made to Theresa is the answer.

As for the 90%, on what data is this based? I'd like to study that data, as this subject is of very high interest to me. Thank you for providing a reference.
keven replying to a comment from Bart B. Van Bockstaele / December 13, 2010 at 04:52 pm
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Sorry I won't feed a troll.

However, if you're as ignorant as you come across but have actually been hiding under a rock since Bob Barker started telling people to get their pets spayed/neutured and actually are as interested in learning as you claim (lots of debating for someone who claims that are "interested" in learning more, btw -- just an observation), then there are plenty of resources on the internet and at your local elementary schools that you can read up on to learn more.

kthxbye
keven replying to a comment from Bart B. Van Bockstaele / December 13, 2010 at 04:56 pm
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"ethical contradiction/hypocrisy here"

Look up the word: "Domestication". That may be a good start for you.
Bart B. Van Bockstaele / December 13, 2010 at 04:59 pm
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Since you need ad hominems, red herrings and straw men, it seems clear that you are only seeking to confirm a prejudice. That is your right. I have no time for that type of thing.

However, you could prove me wrong quite easily. Explain in terms even an ignoramus like me might understand why keeping unwanted hamsters alive while breeding hamsters to feed other animals is more humane than using those unwanted hamster as feeders. Maybe there is a serious argument there. In that case, it is an argument I am too stupid to see.

Bart B. Van Bockstaele replying to a comment from keven / December 13, 2010 at 05:32 pm
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I don't think so. Hamsters used as feeders are with near-certainty just as domesticated as the ones that are not. The reason for this is that all hamsters on this continent are almost certainly all coming from the same original nest, something which has long been suspected, but which now seems to be confirmed by genetic testing as well.

Furthermore: I would submit that even if there were a difference between domesticated and non-domesticated hamsters, I fail to see why it would be more ethical to keep the domesticated one unloved in a cage on a shelf while happily feeding the non-domesticated one to, say, a snake, the way nature intented (sort of, since nature has obviously no "intentions").

I also like to emphasize that this issue is not a trivial one. I am limiting myself to the hamster example for simplicity and brevity, but it is potentially just as applicable to any other animal:

In Korea, people will happily eat dogs, something most westerners balk at. In Europe, many people have no qualms about eating horses and rabbits, something many Americans would not accept. In South America, many people love eating guinea pigs, something most westerners will condemn...

I submit that these are not ethical issues per se, but cultural issues, and that "humaneness" is therefore not part of the equation, even if it is presented as such.
Teresa replying to a comment from Bart B. Van Bockstaele / December 13, 2010 at 07:01 pm
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Surely you realize that we (our society) are not in the foreseeable future ever going to allow the killing of shelter pets in order to feed other shelter pets? Such a thing is so outside the realm of practical reality in our given context: regardless of how right you may be on the logic and ethics of it, it ain't gonna happen. In a theoretical philosophical debate I'm sure your argument has plenty of merit and presents much food for thought (sincerely), but in a practical discussion of the pros and cons of no-kill shelters and of animal breeding/retailing, it's simply nonsense.

Personally, I'm not interested in a theoretical philosophical debate. Unless I've missed something, you haven't mounted any practical arguments against my position.
Bart B. Van Bockstaele replying to a comment from Teresa / December 13, 2010 at 10:32 pm
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I hope you realize that I am not trying to "win" some type of debate here. I am merely pointing out that, as most things in life, there are issues to be considered here that are usually glossed over because the public tends not to want to be bothered with anything more complicated than with knowing who are the goodies and who are the baddies. And it's just not that simple. Simple questions with straightforward answers tend to quickly become a lot less comfortable when seen in a greater context.

The issues of suffering and happiness are important, at least to me. And it is very much in this context that I am talking. It is too easy to condemn another point of view when we ourselves happily and unquestioningly give in to our favourite taboos. It is also profoundly dishonest.

To give one example: my hamster is -at this very instant- enjoying a chicken bone. Many self-proclaimed hamster lovers have condemned me for that. However, reality is that hamsters are not vegans. They love meat, just like rats. When he is enjoying his chicken, you can just see how happy he is. On the other hand, I realize that the chicken would likely have a slightly different opinion here.

In short: I have very little respect for shelters who proudly proclaim that they are "no-kill" when it is obvious that this is merely a marketing gimmick, and not the result of seriously considering what is best for the animals, in spite of what they tend to claim. It's application of the no-kill policy is one of the things that got the THS in trouble, by the way. For good reason.



Teresa / January 21, 2011 at 06:28 pm
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Bart, you raise interesting points regarding the troubled relationship humans have with other animals, but you aren't engaging with what I'm talking about.

You said earlier that pet stores aren't to blame for the thousands of animals killed every year in shelters across Canada - killed just to make room for more animals; you said that they're just doing their job.

This is what I've been trying to argue, but since then you've been talking about meat eating, and irresponsible pet owners, and shelters that misuse the "no-kill" label - all important, socially-relevant issues, but not what I'm talking about.

The most basic reason these animals are being killed is overpopulation or, since pets are a commodity, overproduction. There isn't enough responsible demand to handle the supply. You can't deny that. You can blame the consumer for being irresponsible, and you wouldn't be wrong, but the producer is also to blame. And the retailer is just another agent acting in this mess. The real no-kill shelter (not a THS/Trow fiasco, but the shelter that does not kill any animal just to make room for another animal), is doing its best to manage this overpopulation, but they can only do so much. Do you disagree?
L / January 22, 2011 at 04:50 pm
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Hi,

Further to the discussion on adopting pets, here is a great little site if you want to adopt or surrender a Turtle:

http://www.littleresq.net

Cheers.
hayley / November 6, 2011 at 07:07 pm
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TAILS ISNT ON THIS LIST?! I love tails. and btw they carry oxbow for the person above who says that global was the only ones. They are actually a pet store that carries pets and all the supplies for snakes geckos turtles hamsters ferrets hedgehogs buns pigs dogs and cat and probably anything i missed. They're dedicated and knowledgeable. :) I vote tails.

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