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Toronto start-up 500px looks to take a bite out of Flickr

Posted by Derek Flack / June 17, 2011

500px photography websiteAre you on 500px yet?

I've been hearing this question asked a lot from photographers who've previously relied solely on Flickr to share their photos and interact with other shooters. In fact, traces of the Toronto-based start-up can be found all over the world's biggest photo sharing and storage site, whether it be the subject of discussion threads or in the form of notes that read "you can also see my work at 500px."

Given this rise in popularity and a recent $525,000 venture capital investment, it seemed like the right time to find out a bit more about the local company and why so many photographers have added it to the portfolio of websites through which they share their work. Accompanied by Tom Ryaboi, blogTO's photo editor, I headed down to Ryerson's Digitial Media Zone to meet with the members of the 500px team, Oleg Gutsol (Technical Director), Ian Sobolev (Creative Director), and Andrey Tochilin (Director of Marketing and Sales).

500px officesOver crappy coffee and a box of butter tarts — this is a start-up, after all — Sobolev tell us that 500px had its roots back in 2003 as LiveJournal blog that featured a tightly curated selection of reader-submitted photos. To some extent, it still works this way today, but a community voting system and ranking algorithm take care of ensuring that the site features photos of the highest quality. Unlike Flickr, which requires that users submit photos to groups for evaluation and feedback, this interactive functionality is built into every photo page on 500px.

Although it took a while to generate interest in this more community-oriented model after the site's official launch in fall 2009, the last few months have seen enormous growth (of their 100,000 some odd users, over half have joined in the last six months). Part of that has to do with influential Flickr members like Thomas Hawk endorsing the project, and part of it has to do with the fact that, for photography enthusiasts, the product is just better than what's on offer elsewhere.

Not only does the free-version of site look slicker than the competition, but with premium accounts ($50) photographers are able to create personal (i.e. unbranded) portfolios/websites that look like they're built from scratch and save money on hosting fees (the $50 covers everything but a domain name). Considering that iPhone and iPad apps are in the pipe, this is an attractive package for photographers looking to increase or improve their web presence. So far the number of premium users is relatively small, but as the overall popularity of the site grows, I'd expect this revenue source to increase considerably.

500px blogTONow that 500px has taken off, so to speak, it becomes realistic to talk about the company grabbing some serious market share from Flickr, which has been the default choice for most enthusiast photographers for quite some time. When asked how he'd differentiate the two sites, Gutsol's succint. "Quality, community and the user experience," he says of the advantages he thinks 500px offers. Having used the site, I tend to agree. This isn't a place to store a bunch of family photos (which Flickr, on the other hand, works well for), but it will continue to attract the attention of those for whom photography is a hobby or passion.

On the way to meet the 500px team, Tom and I enter the office elevator at 10 Dundas East with a building security guard making his rounds. Curious with our presence, he asks where we're headed. "Fifth floor, the 500px offices," we reply almost in unison. At this, he returns one of the most quizzical looks I've ever had the pleasure of receiving. "Never heard of them," he offers.

"You will soon," came Tom's response.

I can't help but concur.

Photo by Tom Ryaboi

Discussion

22 Comments

MrTeh / June 17, 2011 at 10:56 am
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Good thing security guards are on the ball.
qwerty / June 17, 2011 at 10:58 am
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500px seems more for professional photographers. A lot of the photos on that site are ridiculously amazing. Flickr will always be for the average joe photographer who just wants to share some pics. Plus $50 a year vs $25 a year for flickr. Of course these guys probably spend thousands on lenses so an extra $25 is nothing.
pop / June 17, 2011 at 11:20 am
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The lack of viewable sizes, geotagging, EXIF data, kind of sucks. But the site looks nice.
Llyod / June 17, 2011 at 11:20 am
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Given the management problems I hear Flickr is having, and that the free accounts at 500px are so pretty, expect to see a lot of hobbyists making the switch.
Matt / June 17, 2011 at 11:35 am
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500px asks you to upload only good photos. Amazingly enough, the users listen. Definitely a threat to Flickr - but Flickr has done a good job with groups which allow you greater exposure to be featured outside the site (i.e. BlogTO, Globe and Mail, Toronto Star). Have to say though it is a beautiful site.
Bonnie / June 17, 2011 at 11:56 am
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I have over 35,000 pictures on flickr. Yes, I only make the good ones public, for the public's sake! I like the price, but the social networking part of it can get much when you have a lot of followers. The worst part of flickr is "Explore". Photogs will know what I mean. It's a farce. The best part of flickr is the price, the convenience, the slideshow capability. For years other sites have promised to challenge flickr and none have succeeded. I'm sticking with flickr because it has all I need and this other site is twice the price.
Jim Bowie / June 17, 2011 at 12:12 pm
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I've been on Flickr for 4.5 years and agree with Bonnie re: "Flickr Explore". It used to show the best of the best, but now it is just a popularity contest. I recently started with 500px and although I will never be a pro photographer, I am having trouble getting any traction. Having said that, the brilliance available under "Popular" on 500px is mesmerizing and I hope that it stays that way. I wish 500px great success and really appreciate the opportunity to see some of the world's finest photography.
G / June 17, 2011 at 12:28 pm
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How is Flickr Explore a popularity contest? If that were the case, the most viewed photos would end up on explore, those would be nudes, smut and photos of celebrities. Just because your photos don't end up in explore and that makes you feel unpopular does not make it a popularity contest.
Martin Reis / June 17, 2011 at 12:33 pm
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Like the look a lot. Happy to try it our for a year and support local designers and projects.
Jen Tse replying to a comment from G / June 17, 2011 at 01:09 pm
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G, Flickr Explore is run by something they call the Magic Donkey, which is an algorithm that combines number of views, newness of the account, number of photos in the stream, comments, AND number of groups the photo is in to determine the photo's "interestingness". You can see how some of these things may be exploited by users to get into explore by ways other than the photo's actual merit.

Personally I'm really excited for 500px and it's great that they have such a dedicated team that works their asses off to address comments and ideas on the fly. It's moving forward in ways that Flickr has failed to despite having way more development time. Fingers crossed that the quality of work on 500px doesn't deteriorate as the site becomes more popular.
Mark / June 17, 2011 at 01:15 pm
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Sounds like a neat site... will have to check it out.
keven replying to a comment from Bonnie / June 17, 2011 at 01:17 pm
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Also, flickr has an API (HUGELY useful). Flickr is also about reliability. Will be interesting to see how 500px deals with any huge influx of users. Just doing an initial speed test, Flickr burns 500px by 4x the speed even though the flickr page is 24x larger.

This may become an issue for those of us that use sites like flickr as a linking repository, rather then a community.

Otherwise, it's a really nice site.
Neil / June 17, 2011 at 01:18 pm
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A great article and a Ryerson DMZ project! I love it!
bob replying to a comment from Jen Tse / June 17, 2011 at 01:37 pm
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Too late. I'm in the process of uploading 2000 photos of my cat.
Simon Carr / June 17, 2011 at 02:03 pm
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I've started using them for my "this is really good" stuff. I didn't realize they were local! It does appear to be a better curated Flickr. With a lot of the noise on Flickr, and it's constant teetering on the edge of Yahoo's broadsword, it's nice to have a clean alternative.

An API would be nice, but of course the dark side of APIs is that it can increase the signal to noise ratio if improperly implemented.


I use Flickr for the pretty ok stuff that I'm somewhat happy with, and then I blast Tumblr with complete self-indulgence. http://torontostreet.tumblr.com/
Ian / June 17, 2011 at 03:05 pm
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Personally I think that flickr has been dying over the past few months.
William / June 17, 2011 at 03:25 pm
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Looks promising! Can't wait to try it out!
ukukfy / June 17, 2011 at 04:10 pm
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There are too many photo sharing sites out there and this is no different...except based in Toronto.
Mike Watson / June 17, 2011 at 04:53 pm
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A crowded field but best of luck guys.
Tom Ryaboi / June 17, 2011 at 06:30 pm
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i think its important to note that 500px is working on an API, ipad and iphone apps, community stuff, and many more exciting things..

I think they are doing well for all the right reasons, the company is run by real people, who take a hands on approach to the site. They make moves on the fly, and are adapting to the community on an almost daily basis.

look out flicka
sezme / June 17, 2011 at 10:19 pm
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I hope this takes off. Flickr is all about craptastic user interface and design. But it's free. Which is the only possible explanation I can think of for why anyone would use it.
straghan / January 9, 2012 at 04:17 pm
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new competition from Warner Bros.: http://techland.time.com/2012/01/09/warner-bros-prepares-to-launch-out-my-window-photo-sharing-social-network/

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