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Why I just don't get Toronto Maple Leafs fans
The Toronto Maple Leafs. Where to begin?
In the interest of full disclosure, let me start off by saying that I don't know a whole lot about hockey. To me, icing comes on top of a cupcake, Face/Off is a John Woo movie (and an excellent one at that!), and hooking is the oldest profession in the world.
It's damn near impossible to avoid hockey in Toronto. Despite limited exposure prior to my arrival in this city, I've learned a few things about the sport in my two plus years here and have had numerous debates with Torontonians on both the Leafs and hockey in general.
Here's my thing: Torontonians are so into their beloved Maple Leafs that it completely turns me off. I just can't get into it. Hockey, and the Maple Leafs are tantamount to religion here. It's just too much. Now, don't get me wrong — I've been to a lot of live sporting events, and hockey is up there with the most exciting of them. It's great to watch, and the level of skill and athleticism is extremely impressive. I just can't get behind the Leafs.
The problem is that the rampant fandom is just too much. During the NHL season all you see on sports channels is hockey. During off-season, all you see is... hockey. You can't avoid it. It's an assault on the senses. It even takes precedent over other sports that are in season!
I find it quite astounding that there is such a strong following for a team that, let's face it, has been terrible for 40+ years. When was the last time they won anything? I lived in Cleveland for a year and that's the most depressing sporting city in North America, but at least the people there are realistic! They know their teams are useless. It's actually impressive that there is such a loyal fan base here. That's one thing that I like about it. It shows true love!
Or madness. Don't get me wrong — I'd love to see the Leafs do really well. I think it would be great for the city, and that Brian Burke chap seems like a great guy.
The apartment I live in is occupied by three Irish guys and one poor chap from Canada. Let's just say that if he wants to watch hockey on TV, there's a sports bar down the street. As a group we've adopted much of the so-called Canadian way of life, but hockey hasn't been a big part of this. I think we can share the blame — we could have done more to get into it, but have been completely turned off by the saturation of hockey in the city.
And that's not to mention the pragmatics. Leafs tickets are expensive and hard to get. Plus as a team, they're not that good (current four game win streak aside!) and don't have any bona fide superstars (sorry, Phil — score 50 and we'll talk). Where's the incentive for us? Granted Toronto is the biggest hockey market in North America, and I'm sure the franchsie could care less about trying to get me and my kind to go to games, which is absolutely fine.
I'd like to think that one day I'll be a Leafs fan. In an effort to sway me, my roommate (the Canadian one) bought me a Maple Leafs cap, t-shirt and mug for secret santa this Christmas. He even wrote a nice Christmas card with a message saying that this is the year they win it all... and that hopefully we'll be able to watch some more hockey on TV.
See what I mean...
Guest contribution from Ian Byrne.
Ian moved to Toronto from Ireland just over two years ago and loves the city (if not the Leafs). He's here as a temporary resident and hopes to make it permanent sometime in the near future.


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Enjoy the ballet.
Yeah...no it hasn't. hasn't won a championship, but that's doesn't mean terrible.
Made the conference finals multiple times and were legitimate contenders for some good periods as well.
but hey, with an attitude & knowledge like you currently have you can be a sports reporter for the Star or Sun right now.
Besides, real fans cheer for their team through good and bad, not just when they're on top.
For many it's the team you grew up watching. The same team your dad watched and even his dad watched. There's a lot of history there.
I'm realistic about the Leafs and I'm well aware of how long it's been since they've won a cup. But I'd never let that get in the way of rooting for my home team.
I really just don't think you get it, which is fine. But I'd recommend you then don't go write an article complaining about it.
And also, what Jamie said. I don't know how you approach football or rugby, but I'm willing to bet that the sentiment is exactly the same back in Ireland, you just don't notice it because you grew up with it.
I'm a realistic Leafs fan. Coming out of the lockout in 2004-2005 I wanted the see the team blown up and suck for a number of years getting high draft picks. That didn't happen and the team sucked until Burke came in to retool. It's taken a bit of time (as it should) but I think the ship is headed in the right direction now. A playoff berth this year is realistic, finally. Stanley Cup? That would be awesome but no. The team still needs work to get to that level.
There's no doubt about it that there are some Leafs fans that live in la-la land with unrealistic expectations. I know that's the case for fans in other sports too so you shouldn't be surprised by this.
I don't suppose the writer has ever heard of the Boston Red Sox and the curse of the babe. Loyal Red Sox fans waited 86 years for a world series win. Can you imagine that feeling of winning after that many years? It probably blew all Yankees celebrations out of the water. Its like marriage, for better or for worse. It would be easy for me to just switch teams and cheer for the the Canadians, or the Red Wings ( my chances at seeing my team win a cup would sky rocket), but loyalty is part of being a good sports fan.
You don't get it because you are thinking too hard. Sports are supposed to be fun. Cheering for the underdog is always a good time. If you don't like the leafs, try the Marlies, great hockey being played at Ricoh.
It's also a nice touch to condescendingly mention our "so-called" culture.
Go Leaf Go!...Go Leaf Go!
B)If you have a problem with how ppl are about the leafs/hockey-get the fuck out of 1)Toronto 2)Canada
C)Just leave Toronto, now
D) Go Habs Go
He also makes a good point about how our broadcasters show too much hockey, especially in the off season. If you don't like hockey in Toronto, you're pretty much screwed in getting any other sports content, unless it's some sort of championship.
It also seems unique to Toronto. Being from the west, I've never a level of fanboy-ism in hockey until I moved here.
Love,
The People of Toronto.
Goddamn Irish hipsters.
What does that say about Toronto?
People here like hockey, people here like the leafs. To the authors point, I should stop supporting the Leafs because they haven't won the Stanley Cup recently? You do not stop supporting your team when they lose. Thats ridiculous. You think true fans only support winning teams? No, true fans support their team always.
Go certain cities in the U.S., and see how much they support their football team. Go to Europe and see how much they support their soccer teams and see if Toronto/Leaf fans are still obsessed.
And yes ticket prices are expensive, supply and demand...
Really ridiculous, irrelevant and pointless post for Leaf fans or haters.
It's really the intensity and sensationalism of the hockey media coverage that irks me. Canadian hockey media reminds me of American cable news - the coverage is so over the top. Also, being cynical by nature, I don't enjoy the way the game gets tied in with a sense of nationalism and patriotism (ie you're Canadian, so you must enjoy hockey, or there's something wrong with you).
As a result, I follow the Jays and Raptors very closely, but just maintain a casual interest in the Leafs. I'm a fan, just find myself unable to get too invested.
1. What is the thesis of this article? (Note well: it is not "I hate the Leafs")
2. What is the subject of this article? (Note well: it is not "strictly about the Leafs")
3. Can the author write about his experience of fandom in Toronto without being a hockey expert? (Hint: "yes")
4. When someone calls this article troll bait in the comments section, he/she is calling herself a troll.
Happy reading!
If he/she doesn't understand something doesn't mean it can be slagged. It takes a lot more than a couple of years to understand the love of hockey Canadians have, those that do have it. The Leafs are a part of it for some Torontonians. Does the writer fail to understand Yankee and Red Sox fans?
The point is, they are in no position to write negatively about it. Its like if I were to write about Opera, that I dont understand the love for, and say its mind goggling how someone can sit there and listen to it, not knowing the language and enjoy it. It would be ignorant of me to say or think like that. I cant understand the beauty of it, doesnt meant the next person cant or is an idiot for doing so.
Also, have you been to Saskatchewan, the Rider Fans are probably the biggest, most loyal fans out of all professional sports in this Country and that is Football. It is a 365 day a year love obsession.
To the writer - if you don't like the Leafs and their fans, but like the game, you can always pick another team to follow. I know lots of non-fans who became fans after watching 24/7 on HBO because the show was so good at defining the differing mentalities and histories of the teams involved. The great thing about the NHL is that teams generally have fairly consistent identities and so it's easy to pick a style of play and players that you like, in the same way that most football fans I knew in England often supported "their" teams over a hometown squad.
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That said, you can't start an argument about hockey by claiming that you don't really know anything about the topic. No one is going to take you seriously. It would be like me saying "Now, I don't really know anything about flying, but I'm going to give piloting this passenger jet a shot." People will not be supportive of this idea. Just as Leafs fans - or hockey fans in general - will not take kindly to told why they're stupid from someone who knows nothing about the sport, beside that "It's everywhere!" If you can't make an educated argument you should probably just keep your opinions to yourself.
Seems like the Leafs fan is the only considerate one in your place.
I made my point.
Let the team try and do something for you for once, or the abusive relationship will continue.
As a stress relief and distraction, sports as entertainment can be defined as productive as well.
This piece, and 90% of the comments following are a complete waste of time.
But I'll be nice. Here's your crash course on hockey.
- Leafs haven't won a championship in over 40 years, but during that time, they've missed the playoffs 20 times. Hardly terrible.
- There are roughly 800 players in the the NHL. of that, 29 players last year scored 30 or more goals. That means 9.6% of players are regarded as true offensive talents. Kessel has been in that echelon for 3 consecutive seasons.
- "Superstars" transcend sport, and in the NHL there are only two. Crosby and Ovechkin. Your Brodeurs, Lidstroms, and Iginlas are future HoF. Your Stamkos, Duchene, Giroux, Chara's, Toews, are just exceptionally good players. Only two superstars.
- The Leafs are actually a good team this year. No, not the best. But far off from being "not very good". They sit 6th in a tight Eastern conference and 3rd in a competitive division.
This is in no way exclusive to Toronto. Pointless rant.
Ian, you think seeing hockey on TV a lot is a big deal? Football and college football let alone is a certified religion in the US. Some teams are dreadful yet they sell out every season. In terms of winning... Yeah Toronto hasn't won the Stanley Cup but if that is your sole measure of success then the whole concept of competitive sports must seem like a foreign concept to you.
Oh and who is a NHL superstar in your opinion? There are few "showstopping" stars in the NHL. And Kessel is doing better than Ovechkin, Crosby, and most of the rest of the league.
I don't see Leafs fans as being any more irrational than any sports franchise with the history the Leafs have.
Sun website down today or something?
Wooosh!
Note to Ian - don't visit Montreal and post the same blog. If you think this is bad. Try this with Habs fans. Hehe.
"sorry, Phil — score 50 and we'll talk"
Um, there are nine active players who have ever scored 50 goals...
Mission accomplished, hipster. Mission accomplished.
Compare the Carolina Hurricanes in the last five years with the Leafs...true devotion to hockey should not be blind and stupid.
I will give my props to the fans for their loyalty but it has to end at some point. If you are not happy with the performance by the Leafs STOP showing up to the game and maybe management will get the memo. Why up the payroll and get better players when the mediocre product on the ice packs the ACC every night regardless.
It basically comes down to this, the Toronto Blue Jays are a MUCH better team compared to the leafs. Granted they haven't made the post season since 1993 but they have to beat the Yankees and Red Sox each year to get a playoff birth, a lot harder than finishing 4 games above .500 with some lame overtime losses and still make the playoffs like a typical Leaf season. How you get points for losing is beyond me....
The Jays are an EXCELLENT young team with the MLB leading home run king for the past 2 years with tickets starting at $14 and a great seat will cost you only $60. You can't even get in the ACC front doors for less than $80.... The Jays are 7 wins away from returning to the post season and they might do it this year but this city needs to get behind them and support a real team, not the Leafs.
When the Rogers Centre only gets 15 000 fans per game in a 55 000 stadium, it is a crime. It is disgusting when the Leafs have waiting lists for tickets yet in a city of over 2.5 million people can't fill a stadium of 50 000 people for a fraction of the cost of a Leaf ticket. Typical Toronto mentality...
let me guess, u love soccer. i knew it
I have never seen the leafs ever in the cup finals.
When will this happen what years 8012.
They seem to fool the people in this city all time year after year