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Toronto Through the Eyes of Denzil Minnan-Wong

Posted by Crystal Luxmore / September 20, 2009

Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong's pinstripe suit clashes with the fairyland on the wallpaper behind him, and the couch he's sitting on is flowered in the same pattern as a bedspread my mother bought in the '80s.

Working a suburban ward lined with strip malls, there are just a few choice places to be a "man of the people," and the Valley Fields Family Restaurant is one of them. We met last week, and as the Councillor sipped ice tea and waited for his large plate of fries, he smiled and told me that he just got tickets to the TIFF premiere of The Men Who Stare at Goats and would thus need to duck out in about half an hour.

The right-wing Councillor for Don Valley East was first elected in 1994. He moved into the neighbourhood when he was 8-years-old, after his parents bought a three-bedroom bungalow, their first house. We chat and easily finish the interview in 20 minutes, and then his girlfriend pops in wearing a black sequined outfit before they step into a silver convertible and head for the red carpet.

What was your childhood like?

It was great. We had great little community centre with a little outdoor pool. [It had a] very close-knit feel too it. Back then we had fireworks every Canada Day and everybody came out.

Where are your favourite places to eat?

One of my favourite places is the Lahore Tikka House down on Gerrard Street in Little India. They have fantastic, fantastic Indian food. Another restaurant is Dhaba down on King Street -- fantastic Indian food there too.

When you think of Toronto, what three words come to mind?

Great city to live in. And that's not three words, but it is a great city to live in.

Describe an ideal Sunday afternoon in the city.

Get up. Go to church. Go for brunch with some friends or my girlfriend. Then I'd come back home spend some time in my garden. I've got a big garden in my backyard. I love to cook. I'd whip something up and have dinner with friends and family.

What do you do in the city after dark?

Go out to restaurants from time to time. But because I like to cook, sometimes I like my own cooking more than that at restaurants.

What's your favourite dish to make?

I'm a carnivore so I like cooking roasts, pastas, rack of lamb. My favourite meal to cook would be rack of lamb, mashed potatoes with sundried tomatoes and goat cheese. And apple pie. I have an apple tree in my backyard that I can pull apples from.

Do you make your own pastry?

They say you can tell a good chef by two things: one of them is how well you can make a pie crust, and the other is gravy.

How do you get around the city?

I drive. I live in the suburbs and I work downtown. Ideally I'd like to take the bus but because I have to be at multiple meetings throughout the day... and I often have to go to night meetings, driving is a necessity. Plus during wintertime it's more practical to be able to drive around. We have a really good arrangement in this community and an express bus that goes from Underhill and Lawrence all the way downtown. If I was just going to be downtown all day I would take that.

Is there one place in Toronto that people should know about?

The Don Valley and the ravine system there, and the bike system and trail system there. It's gorgeous. If you want to leave the city and still be in the city, that's one of the places you can lose yourself in.

You've got a reputation among cyclists in Toronto as not being so friendly towards the bike. In a newspaper editorial you wrote you suggest that "until our downtown is bike-friendly, the city has a duty to enable its citizens to enjoy the benefits of mobility, including trips taken by car." How is the city ever going to become bike-friendly if we continue to support cars?

What we have to realize is that there has to be, and there can be, coexistence between the two forms of transportation, and there are ways to do that. Not only downtown, but in the suburbs as well. There aren't enough bike lanes and one of the problems that we're seeing is that [motorists and cyclists] conflict with each other, so let's look at some innovative ways where we can separate them.

Why can't we, in suburban areas for instance, have bikes be able to legally travel on sidewalks? In the suburbs, pedestrians by and large walk within subdivisions and in communities but they don't walk a lot on Lawrence or York Mills or Eglinton Avenue. So there are places that they could have the sidewalk all to themselves. They'd have to yield to pedestrians, but there's a solution where there could be have coexistence between both cars and bicyclists.

Downtown... it's not practical in Toronto right now to have bike lanes on every north-south route, but let's determine where there might be one or two of them that they can use and let's invest in those.

But cyclists like me brave the roads at some peril. I got in an accident this summer, which left a big scar on my chin. You're taking a little bit of a risk where there are no dedicated bike lanes. And if there's maybe one dedicated bike lane and it's say on Bloor Street and I live on Queen, and there's another one that's north-south, again like five blocks away, I'm not going to cycle all the way up to that street just to take the bike lane and then cycle all the way back down to where I need to be. Having one or two big lanes isn't really fair to cyclists when cars can drive anywhere they want.

If it's not going to work to have bike lanes on every street because that's going to lead to more traffic congestion, then you've got to look at alternatives. Drivers are going to have to make a sacrifice and cyclists are going to have to understand that they can't have everything that they want either.

What about the green bin program? This summer the Star revealed a few snags in how our organic waste is being processed and you were a big champion of that story. So how do you solve the problem?

The number one thing is that we have to get the public to trust and have confidence in the system. That means that we have to start with the truth. And instead of suggesting that 30 percent of organics are being recycled, let's tell them the truth - that it's much lower. Let's also understand that we could be doing a lot more to monitor the organic system because we don't know enough about what happens to those organics. Most people think that the organics turn into compost that we can throw on our garden. A lot of it, I'm told, ends up in landfill; it ends up in places where they have land reclamation, or it's used as an absorbent on the shop floor. Let's go to the next level and start taking out some of the contaminants that make our organics so un-useable.

So you mean plastic bags and diapers?

Absolutely.

Where do you go in the city for inspiration?

You know, there are some nice spots along the Scarborough Bluffs and along the waterfront. And if you go for a walk early in the morning and late in the evening when it's quiet, then you can think and clear your head and even come up with some really good ideas.

If you could tell City Hall to do one thing right now, what would it be?

Understand that we need to govern pragmatically and not through ideologies. We need to look at what's possible and put aside partisanship and if we do that then we'll all be doing a better job.

But you are proud of your right-wing stance, aren't you? When you were trying out cycling for the first time you made a joke about not being able to turn left, and now you're proposing this need to put aside partisanship.

And I do put aside partisanship. I've voted for a number of things that Mayor Miller's put forward. Through the last capital budget process I recommended (counter to City Hall) spending a billion dollars more on capital infrastructure rather than cutting back. I've just put forward an initiative to work toward and establish free Wi-Fi in social housing. Those are hardly initiatives that would be seen as being ultra right wing.

Have you been back on the bike since that fateful day?

Yeah, I was on one last Saturday, and I rode all the way down to King Street.

Wow, that's progress.

Yep.

Discussion

19 Comments

Citizen of Toronto / September 20, 2009 at 10:56 am
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The Toronto Star did a great piece about him a few months ago. Turns out, due to his over protective parents, he never learned how to ride a bike. Now, while one can understand such childhood matters, what I did not appreciate was how he boasted about driving his convertible down the DVP everyday to work. If he has desires of becoming Mayor, he needs to understand that Toronto needs a TTC advocate and that the TTC moves Toronto. Put away your car and take the TTC like Mayor Miller does.

Lastly, if you ever watch the broadcasts of Toronto Council, you'll agree that Councilor DMW tries his best to disagree with anything the Mayor says, has no good ideas of his own and that he is wasting Council's time.

People of Don Valley East, his time is up. Vote for someone who will work towards improving your Ward and City, not someone who wants to advance his own agenda.

When I think of a great Councilors, I think of Adam Giambrone and Adam Vaughn.

When I think of bad Councilors, I think of DMW, Rob Ford, Karen Stintz, Howard Moscoe, and many others.

For the next election, don't just vote for the incumbent - vote based on the character of the candidate and learn what they stand for.

During the strike this summer, many Councilors enjoyed blaming the Mayor for the lack of progress. However, none of them had any suggestions of their own on how to end the strike. The irony is that they thought any deal with the Union was far too expensive but they also wanted the swimming pools, for example, opened again because their constituents demanded it. They were on the fence and didn't want to take either side. Let's blame our City Councilors for the 5 week labour disruption - I'm sure they'll all be crying foul like babies.

We need an overhaul of Toronto's City Council. Let's clean house this election. I'm tired of politicians assuming that since their the incumbent they'll always have their job. They too need to work hard in order to keep their position.

Councilors like DMW slow down Council and add to our City's demise.
AC / September 20, 2009 at 11:29 am
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Agree with the comment above. Though its good to have someone who challenges the mayor he has come across as a general naysayer and weasel so many times that its hard to change my opinion. Lets hope he changes his ways - this city needs bold moves not divisive politicking.
cocoa / September 20, 2009 at 11:39 am
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He does come across as reasonable and pragmatic in this interview. That conflicts with the perception I have of him as a contrarion hardhead, which is primarily the result of reading The Star. I wonder where the truth lies? Safe to assume it's somewhere in between.

To the poster above (Citizen of Toronto), I have two thoughts:

1. The effectiveness of the TTC downtown is very different from its effectiveness north of, say, Eglinton or east of the DVP. Simply put, it is awful in areas outside of the core. I don't own a car and currently take transit everywhere but if I had a daily commute from even the closest suburbs I would buy a car.

I have been in the unfortunate circumstance of having to take the TTC daily to an inner suburb (North York) and I will never do it again. The routes are heavily used, underserviced and often unreliable. The TTC doesn't have the same infrastructure or resources in those areas and it shows. Public transit is a last resort.

Mr. Miller lives in Cabbagetown and has the luxury of decent TTC service. I don't fault Minnan-Wong for driving.

Second, the 'conservative wing' of council is and has always been, in Miller's time, a minority. Miller controls the majority of council and it's fatuous to blame a small rabble of conservatives for any ill this city faces. Miller, for better or worse, has the mandate and council support to push through his initiatives. Council's failures (and its successes) fall in his lap.

I do agree that councillors like Ford detract from the quality of our council. However people like Minnan-Wong or Michael Thompson offer at least a weak check on the mayor. There is no strong conservative figure (for instance, a John Tory) on council and I think it's to our detriment. A diversity of (intelligent) views leads to moderation and compromise - that's how Toronto should be run.

My only comment on Vaughan is that your view of him is different from many in the city. For reference look at the comments in blogto's interview with him. He's controversial, to say the least.

Anyway, good interview but it was somewhat bland. DMW sounds cautious.
jamesmallon / September 20, 2009 at 11:46 am
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People who rarely ride bikes (Like DMW) have no place commenting on bikes in traffic; people who rarely drive have no place commenting on cars in traffic; people who rarely take the TTC have no place commenting on it: those of us who use all three know what we are talking about. Like many people who live in the urban part of the city, I use all three. In my case the car is Autoshare. Knowing all three, it's obvious that this city is far too auto-centric for a city its size. The bike and transit infrastructure would be suitable for a city 1/3 this size: Hamilton?
Elle Driver / September 20, 2009 at 01:01 pm
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Perhaps someone should point out to Mr. Minnan-Wong that encouraging alternate forms of transportation (aka. building bike lanes) will actually IMPROVE traffic congestion in the long run, as it means fewer cars on the roads.
Jarek / September 20, 2009 at 02:11 pm
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In his particular case I can almost support his choice for driving a car to work. I'm not sure the 350Z is quite necessary - doesn't sound like he really needs anything larger than a Matrix, or a Mini if you want to stick with cooler cars - but if you regularly need to go to appointments in varying locations north of St. Clair, the TTC may not be the answer. (Though using a half-decent mobile trip planner helps a lot.) Same deal if you have a specific disability, are a contractor, etc - some people do have to drive.

What grinds me is that now some people will point at him and say "well, /he/ drives, so why shouldn't I?" without owning up to their own situation. "Well, my neighbour drives, so why should /I/ have to deal with being around other people or exerting physical effort?" "People need to drive, so we shouldn't expand bike lane network or improve the TTC, just widen the roads to reduce ~the~ ~gridlock~."
Torontonian replying to a comment from cocoa / September 20, 2009 at 02:27 pm
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Incidentally, cococa, the Mayor lives in High Park.
A couple of former mayors do live currently in
Cabbagetown, but not Miller.
Jonn replying to a comment from Torontonian / September 20, 2009 at 07:46 pm
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...and the Mayor also has a driver on city payroll.
jean-guy replying to a comment from Elle Driver / September 20, 2009 at 08:00 pm
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Elle:
having more bike lanes won't put suburbanites on bikes to get to work downtown. Do you really think someone who lives at York Mills and Lawrence is really going to ride downtown if there were more lanes? Hardly. The fact is, it isn't downtowners who are causing the vehicle congestion it the city centre, especially at rush hour - it's suburbanites and they live too far away from the core to leave their cars behind. A mass of people leaving their cars to ride a bike from Thornhill or Burlington every day? Never gonna happen.
Commenting Commenter replying to a comment from jean-guy / September 20, 2009 at 08:14 pm
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York Mills and Lawrence = Intersecting roads fail!
Angus / September 20, 2009 at 11:19 pm
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Lame interview, cycling and green bins are fringe issues. Who cares where he eats?
o_O replying to a comment from Angus / September 21, 2009 at 01:01 am
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This was a brutal interview. Looks like the writer did nothing more than a search of the Toronto Star web site and called it research. This interview was a great opportunity to take DMW up on the indefensible positions he takes down at city hall on the issues that get debated every day in BlogTO's Morning Brew posts but the writer failed to examine how DMW has voted and what comments he's made on things like transit, environment, community development and so many other hot button topics. That he gave the writer was given 30 minutes and finished in 20 shows just how ill-prepared she was.
Torontonian replying to a comment from Jonn / September 21, 2009 at 06:59 am
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On normal days, David Miller takes the subway in
from High Park station.
gadfly / September 21, 2009 at 08:04 am
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I think we can all agree that this city has not invested in infrastructure of any type for the past 30 years. I have driven, cycled and TTC'd this city since the early '70s and ALL forms now suck. However, having driven the Gardiner for all of last year, (and the DVP for 10 years before that) anyone who is serious about transportation in this city should stop the 'suburban versus downtown' crap: it is a divisive argument and plain wrong. The Gardiner is stopped in BOTH directions virtually all day, every day. I had the misfortune of taking friends to the airport along the 401 at 8 pm last night, and it was backed up from Jane St. The Express lanes are anything but. With all the construction downtown and all the jobs moving out of town, we have succeeded in gridlock in BOTH directions. Now that is progress!

Bicycle lanes are not the answer, plainly because for 8 months they are not used. But that is the dirty secret. We have forced bike lanes along Wellesley and Sherbourne (where I live) and if they are not used now, how will they be used the rest of the year when we have crappy weather? Meanwhile, 10,000 new condo/apartment units are now going to be dumping onto city lanes that are basically 1 lane!!!
In a perfect world, it would be nice to include bicyle lanes, but since we have no room for the traffic we have, perhaps improving the TTC would help, but I doubt it. Maybe widening streets like Finch, Keele St and others so that buses can move would help, but again (looking at Eglinton East) I doubt it.
As long as Miller is around, we will continue having the tail wagging the dog (island airport, bicycle lanes), which only interest a downtown few and not the vast majority.
I would vote for Stinson in a flash. We need to stop thinking that the downtown is the center of the universe and start thinking of the city as a whole.
gadfly / September 21, 2009 at 08:05 am
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Does anyone read the Star anymore? I stopped a few years ago when their biased, poorly researched articles attacking General Motors made me sick to my stomach. I prefer the Sun - at least when it gets it wrong it is funny!
mark. / September 21, 2009 at 08:35 am
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I love how he says he's opposed to ideology, then says that more bike lanes will cause congestion - that's ideology at work! (Research shows bike lanes reduce congestion!)
David / September 21, 2009 at 09:56 am
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The best people we have at City Hall are the ones who stick to issues in their Ward & only go on the news to discuss the committee issues they are part of. All of the ones so far mentioned aren't those people. They're just hot-heads on the news.
Randolph / September 21, 2009 at 10:58 am
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He certainly doesn't sound as nasty during an interview as his sound bites that appear in the media.

He seems to fuss too much about the years of slow transition when drivers are increasingly unhappy but cyclists and transit commuters are only marginally more happy with incremental improvements in infrastructure and service. Doesn't seem like much of a vision, more like a maintenance of the status quo: keeping drivers happy.

Denzil, Lahore Tikka house serves Pakistani food. You won't find to
gadfly replying to a comment from mark. / September 21, 2009 at 12:05 pm
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Horsefeathers! If we were talking about ADDING bicycle lanes and leaving existing roadway lanes alone, then perhaps that would be true; however, since this city was so badly planned in the past, Council is always talking about taking away traffic lanes for drivers and giving it to cyclists, with about a 20:1 ratio of people who actually use it.
Since it costs too much (and would not be politically expedient) to move curbs, sewers, etc. and ADD bicycle lanes, the city takes the lazy way out to cow-tow to a vocal minority and paints pretty white lines down roads, taking away lanes from drivers which only creates MORE congestion, not less.
Good grief, one need only stand at any point on Wellesley to see the mess that has become. It is now far faster to drive along the side streets than to take Wellesley at any time of the day.

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