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Rossi would repair Toronto bridges "off-site"

Posted by Robyn Urback / September 15, 2010


After his announcement to expand the Spadina Allen Expressway, mayoral candidate Rocco Rossi has continued to tout his transportation plans this week, today announcing his strategy to repair Toronto bridges.

Standing at the Jameson Avenue bridge, Rossi said his "rapid bridge replacement" plans won't disrupt traffic since replacement bridges will be built at an off-site location. He added that replacement bridges could be lowered into place in a matter of hours. Doesn't that sound expensive good?

"We've got eleven major bridge projects coming up," Rossi said, "and we can't afford to use anything but the latest technology,"

Discussion

13 Comments

Rob / September 15, 2010 at 11:57 am
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Lol

I've built bridges. There are compromises with this approach. Someone really needs to give this guy a reality check.
Jacob / September 15, 2010 at 11:59 am
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It's not actually a bad idea. I saw a news report of them doing it in Hamilton, and it seemed pretty time-efficient.

Given how busy Toronto roads already are, it may be worth a try.
Brew Darrymore / September 15, 2010 at 11:59 am
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That sounds like the most fu*ked up idea ever. Bridges aren't Mattamy Homes.

Are there any engineers who can confirm that this is actually feasable and not a cooked up dream and if so, is it a fiscally responsible idea?
skeeter / September 15, 2010 at 12:19 pm
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"Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river." - Nikita Khrushchev
Sean / September 15, 2010 at 12:25 pm
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I'm sure Rossi will want a bridge to the Island airport.
History repeats itself.
Mark Dowling / September 15, 2010 at 12:46 pm
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Dublin had a Calatrava bridge <a href="http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=842602";>built in Holland and floated to Ireland on a barge</a>. So yeah, it's possible but not sure how that would work for anything other than a west or east bridge to the Islands or one or two in the east docklands so the question is how much help this would really be. Sounds like the proposal to build a tunnel to downtown with no idea where it comes out.
Mark Dowling / September 15, 2010 at 12:57 pm
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@Sean - Rossi is on record as favouring a bridge. The reality is that the airport is now a benefit to the city in a way not thought of seven years ago when Miller ran on the issue, when Air Canada was still running putt-putt Dash8-100s for $600 round trip to Ottawa only.

Are any of the "media selected" candidates against an airport bridge now? Pantalone presumably?

The bridge I'd build would be an openable streetcar/emergency vehicle/bike/pedestrian bridge across the east channel, with the streetcars running down Cherry Street. This would relieve the massive lineups for the ageing ferries not to mention the price premium that people must pay to access the islands compared to the rest of the city. Cars could come too, if they paid a toll.
m / September 15, 2010 at 01:05 pm
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I’m an engineer and sure, it’s a feasible concept but it’s expansive. There are a lot of factors that affect the ability to do this (location, access, bridge size)

In the case of the Jameson bridge, not only did the super structure (Bridge deck & beams) need repair but the reason for the lane closure is to repair the middle pier and abutments. There is no way around the approach they’re using right now. If it was only the deck that needed to be replaced its easy to do onsite without interrupting traffic. It happens all the time.
gr1 / September 15, 2010 at 01:20 pm
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I AM AN ENGINEER. WE SHOULD BUILD TURRETS, NOT BRIDGES.
The Shakes / September 15, 2010 at 01:45 pm
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Rossi's fighting hard for the stupid vote, but Ford's got them all locked up.
Traveller / September 15, 2010 at 02:19 pm
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Rapid replacement is certainly possible, and it has recently been done overnight a couple of times on the 417 in Ottawa (easy to google for videos, e.g. http://ivany.org/time-lapse-video-of-the-clyde-avenue-bridge-rapid-replacement/), but as was mentioned earlier, it doesn't apply in every case (does ANYTHING?).

What Rossi is proposing to me just highlights that he doesn't know what he's talking about. A decent engineering firm would include a rapid replacement option in the design analysis (bridge repair design is as much or more about how you stage the repair work as what that work is), and it would be selected if it came out as the best option. How you weigh the cost of delay to motorists against hard cash of the City is another question (rapid replacement is likely always more expensive), and you also need a large plot of land nearby for the actual bridge work. To imply that rapid replacement will always be better is just stupid.
bullring / September 15, 2010 at 08:02 pm
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yea but what is he going to do about all the gravy bridges.
Jerry Cassel / September 16, 2010 at 12:56 pm
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GOOD / FAST / CHEAP ... pick any two.

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