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DOOM & D-Sisive Highlight the Good and Bad of Hip Hop

Posted by Matthew McAndrew / February 28, 2010

DOOM in concertThursday night's DOOM and D-Sisive concert at the Kool Haus was easily the most frustrating concert experience of my life. Given that I attend an average of two or three concerts a week, this is a mighty feat for the villainous underground hip-hop legend. Delays, technical difficulties and an abundance of false promises had the young crowd thinning from the moment DOOM's planned set time came and went.

Rather than focusing on the negative energy surrounding the masked marauder and his ongoing identity crisis, I'd like to bring up just one question to the Torontonians chucking empty beer cans at the unmasked and undeserving DJs and announcers: what the fuck were you expecting?

For years, purchasing a ticket to a DOOM aka Daniel Dumile show has been a gamble. Fans are subjected to rescheduling, cancellations, massive delays, erratic behaviour and doppelgangers - just to name a few factors that would deter a rational listener from handing over $43 to Dumile. His career post-KMD has been one giant publicity stunt, but still the house was packed.

D-Sisive (Derek Christoff) hit the stage shortly after 9 for a solid thirty minute set that featured healthy portions of both Let the Children Die and Jonestown. The crowd dished out plenty of hometown love for D-Sisive, most notably when he dropped the Lennon-inspired 'Nobody With a Notepad.' D vlogged about the experience:

After D-Sisive left the stage, the Mixtape Massacre DJs kept the audience moving as DOOM's 10pm start time approached. Check out the timeline from here on out:

10:15: Announcer comes on stage to announce that DOOM has been cleared through immigration and will be here in 45 minutes, saying that we should be elated that "he's actually here."

10:20: Three guys start break dancing near the south wall and a crowd soon gathers around them for an impromptu session. Rhymes from Guru, Q-Tip, Slick, Andre 3000, Talib and Jay Electronica pumped through the sound system and kept my spirits up.

10:25: First fight - 300lb bouncer vs. a watery-eyed, baby-faced teen.

11:00: The "We want DOOM" chants begin. The barbacks are having a relatively easy night, as all of the empties are conveniently collecting themselves on stage. The predominantly male crowd becomes increasingly restless.

11:06: Announcer returns - you know it's a bad sign when he opens with "don't throw shit at me." We are told that DOOM is here. 15 minutes...

11:35: Announcer reappears - "calm the fuck down, DOOM is here. Give him a minute, you know how he is..."

11:40: Raekwon's OBFCLII blast through the speakers. Is it really a bright idea to inject some Wu into the already aggressive and intoxicated crowd?

12:00: DJ starts to setup - "whoever threw that shoe, I'ma fuck you up right now." I begin to draw comparisons between DOOM and Axl Rose.

12:12: An obviously fake DOOM takes to the stage as a pre-recorded CD plays. Chicago part two?

12:13: The real DOOM takes to the stage. The rhyming commences and DOOM tears it up, joined by his hypeman, a DJ and a fourth man whose face remained hidden behind a mask, aviators and hat throughout the set. Dumile's flow is furious, his rhymes are incomparable, and his mask is blindingly reflective. So many spliffs ablaze that security doesn't even try to control the situation.

12:19: The crowd eats it up, and it seems as though all will be forgiven if DOOM delivers on his promises to "kill the curfew" and "take it to the wee hours." We are barraged with declarations of love and adulation from DOOM, who referred to the crowd as his family.

12:21: I suspect that the guy in the mask and aviators is none other than Mos Def, who bailed on Toronto earlier this week. Others in the crowd are on the same page.

12:40: The technical difficulties begin. This is what performing a sound check will prevent. Resentment begins to build amongst the agitated crowd. Everyone on stage seems to disappear one at a time.

1:00: After bits and pieces of a few verses, DOOM exits and the house lights come on. The remaining crowd are furious, and the identity of the man in the aviators remains a mystery.

At the end of the day, its shit like this that gives hip hop a bad name, but mystery and villainy make for astounding entertainment.

The media kerfuffle surrounding DOOM's Toronto appearance will only have served to reinforce the simple fact that rumours equate to publicity, and that no press is bad press. Dumile has previously stated that "people are asking more now for live shows and I'm charging more, so it must've worked somewhere."

Yeah, in Toronto. I just hope some of that money went to the rapper that deserved it: D-Sisive.

Check out D on Facebook, Youtube and Twitter. Head to his label Urbnet for a free download of his latest album Jonestown.

Lead photo of DOOM by Alex Kamino. Article by Matthew McAndrew.

Discussion

28 Comments

LISA! / February 28, 2010 at 11:12 am
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First, I'll start by proclaiming my love for DOOM (inability to commit and all). There are several reasons for why I lust/love after DOOM.
1. The music.
2. The rhymes.
3. The originality.
4. The ability to make shit loads of cash off of people who should have known better before buying the ticket, or at the very least not returning it when they had the chance.

DOOM is a self-proclaimed "supervillain". He carries that persona to his gigs. It makes him who he is, and I gotta respect the guy for it. It's not as if he hides it?

My issue with this article is that the author seems to lump DOOM into "the bad of hip hop". I'm not really sure how DOOM's performance, or thereby lack of, has anything to do with "the bad of hip hop". Isn't it just a selfish individual looking to make a buck off of a bunch of chumps?
david / February 28, 2010 at 11:33 am
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It sounds like D-Sisive was unreal, and its a shame that DOOM was only on stage for such a short time

sounds like he was unreal though, aha
Matthew replying to a comment from LISA! / February 28, 2010 at 11:40 am
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I love DOOM too, but from a respect for your fans position, he is bad for hiphop. His persona is genius from a marketing perspective, but it furthers the negative stereotypes attached to many rappers.

DOOM is great hip hop and great entertainment - but he brought out the good and bad in the Toronto crowd - some people were patient and danced, some chucked empties at otherwise undeserving people.

The 30 minutes he did rhyme for was easily some of the best hip hop I've ever seen live - he just couldn't follow through with the big finish he raved about.

The point to this article was to show that Toronto got what it should have expected with DOOM. I'm just impressed it was the real DOOM at all.
dibpal / February 28, 2010 at 01:30 pm
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I've never understood people's obsession with Doom...the guy is nice, but totally undeserving of the mania he inspires. I steered well clear of this show even though everyone was saying it was going to be solid - looks like that proved true.
hip crap / March 1, 2010 at 11:09 am
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ha ha ha people are defending a jackass who keeps fans waiting for no good reason and then insults them with a 30 minute set. Yeah, keep supporting this thief who takes your money and runs.

Lisa! is actually happy he behaved this way. Then she says people shouldn't have the expectation off seeing a performance when they buy a ticket to a performance.

Oh, wait - Doom performs in a mask like an 8 year old pretending he's Batman. Never mind.
KL / March 1, 2010 at 01:17 pm
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Sorry. I'm with Lisa on this. He's never claimed to be interested in live performances. He does it to grab a quick buck from fairweather fans. Good on him. I'm all for thinning out the pockets of those who are moronic enough to shell out money to see his imposters live.
hip crap / March 1, 2010 at 01:26 pm
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hooray let's all celebrate the dooshbag fraud
Marlon replying to a comment from LISA! / March 1, 2010 at 04:02 pm
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can you possibly be serious? you respect him because he rips off his fans? I personally think his lyrics are weak and his flow is hopeless. He raps nonsense at least keith and ghost have flows this guy raps about cereal and cartoon shows but he doesnt rap he just kind of talks. I was shocked they were trying to charge that price even with mos on the bill. What would you consider 'the bad of hip hop' his fans are chumps and you love him? have you thought this one through?
KL replying to a comment from Marlon / March 1, 2010 at 04:49 pm
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His flow is nothing special, but crapping on his lyrics? Really? That's like bringing a knife to a gunfight. You are so wrong about this that you couldn't possibly be more wrong.
hip crap / March 1, 2010 at 04:59 pm
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"How awesome are his lyrics? It doesn't even matter that he rips off people who pay to come to his shows. THAT is how awesome his lyrics are. Did I mention his lyrics are awesome? Because they are."
marlon replying to a comment from KL / March 1, 2010 at 05:30 pm
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That's like bringing a knife to a gunfight? are you quoting jay-z to me or is that just a statement? I dont see it. He gets good beats i definitely give him that. But his flow is so mediocre. I've listened to a couple of his mixtapes, I dont see it. He just says random shit that makes no sense. its the same thing people said about ghost but atleast his was relatable and he was original but the mask and random descriptions he stole from ghost but with a boring flow. you probably think keith is a lyricist too. onions potato purple rottweilers and toenails, the man on the roof! thats not rap its what i hear when i here one of dooms wack tracks. and on another note: 'fairweather fans'? wtf is that supposed to mean? they are only with him when he is good? explain that term to me.
LISA! / March 2, 2010 at 07:56 am
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Look, I don't think it's COOL that he rips people off, I'm just saying that he's entitled to do it and quite frankly the fans should know better.

Hell, I bought a ticket when I first heard he was coming. And then I get word that they're rescheduling the show so I think to myself "hrmmm, let's do a little more research on this guy". Anyway, so I do... and turns out he's ditched/ sabotaged every show he's played in the last few years. All it takes is a few swift keystrokes on google to find that out.
So what do I do? I return the bloody ticket. That's all I'm saying.


hip crap / March 2, 2010 at 09:40 am
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"I don't think it's COOL that he rips people off, I'm just saying that he's entitled to do it and quite frankly the fans should know better."

I think it's cool that someone can actually have an opinion as incredibly stupid as this.
marlon replying to a comment from LISA! / March 2, 2010 at 10:21 am
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The 'should have known better defense'? really? He is entitled? How is he entitled? That girl should have known better to take a ride from that creep? Was he entitled?

That is some logic you got there Lisa. Most people see a concert is postponed and think 'something must have gone wrong oh well. next month it is then' they don't smell a fish and then conduct an investigation. are they suckers? they deserved it? I think his music is 'bad hip hop' because he is nonsensical spoken word in my opinion, but you like it, thats fine, but isnt ripping off and disappointing your followers also a good example of rap at its worst?
Ajani / March 2, 2010 at 03:09 pm
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I heard this was a horrible show!

The live performance aspect of an artist's product is so important.

Too bad.
Supervillain replying to a comment from marlon / March 2, 2010 at 04:36 pm
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Look, you're obviously not very well educated in underground hip-hop. Just because YOU can't parse what DOOM is spitting doesn't me he's wack. I'm sure it's the opposite.

It's not right to rip anyone off, but if you had any prior information regarding DOOM's live performances you would've known that you're money is better spent elsewhere. I'm personally a fan of him and support him through album sales, but there was no way I was going to spend good money for one of his performances (even if D-Sisive was opening). It's part of his character, he doesn't give a shit. SUPER!
karen / March 2, 2010 at 04:53 pm
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Anyone willing to spend upwards of $40 to see DOOM would (I assume) be a fan. And if you're a fan, then you should know what kind of concert experience DOOM provides...(if you're lucky enough to actually get DOOM in the first place.) If you still choose to buy a ticket, that's on you. No one else to blame but yourself. I bought a ticket and I'm kicking myself in the butt for it. Waste of my money and my time. But...that's my own fault.
LISA! replying to a comment from marlon / March 2, 2010 at 08:06 pm
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To answer your question if I think that DOOM ripping people off is an example of rap at it's worse, I don't think that it has anything to do with rap/hip hop. He's just a dude.
Atone replying to a comment from hip crap / March 2, 2010 at 10:37 pm
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There is no hip hop style like DOOM's. He has more recorded tracks than any other rapper, and has been in the game forever. He's the only rapper making good, creative, unique hip hop today. He maintains his villainy and mystery by mind fucking his audience at his shows (there or not). If you were there you got to experience the music and the character (lateness, sketch and all). If your a true fan, and listen to his shit closely, this should have been exactly what was to be expected... for me - ever better.

"We need to find Doom!... Good luck!" - Born like this


marlon replying to a comment from Supervillain / March 3, 2010 at 10:46 am
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lol, easy supervillian. I'm a hip hop scholar. I just think backpack rap is hip hop for nerds. I don't like it. they all sound like high and mighty to me. some of them have beats but they don't flow they rap. I was huge on wu,liks, pharcyde, BCC, DITC, hiero, skhool yard. Nowadays rap is not great, papoose was okay for a minute, Casey Veggies does it, Electronica does it, Nas Jay common some of the old guys still do it, but rap has seen its best days, point is I'm not a pop consumer, to me this is nerd rap and it makes no sense you dont need to tell me about 'education' the guy is wack thats not knowledge thats an opinion. Not showing up or having a wack show ie technical difficulties because you are amatuer and don't prepare is bad for rap. thats what the writer of this article was saying and concur, parse that.
marlon replying to a comment from Supervillain / March 3, 2010 at 12:06 pm
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ps supervillian biting is bad rap. superhero alias (ironman), wearing a mask, his entire swag is stolen from ghostface. his best work is alongside ghost the only difference is ghost flows and doom raps. oh and ghost isnt one dimensional and has a decent live show.
keven replying to a comment from Atone / March 3, 2010 at 01:58 pm
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"He has more recorded tracks than any other rapper, and has been in the game forever."

Both statements are 100% not true. Sorry dude. Back to hip hop school for you.
keven replying to a comment from Atone / March 3, 2010 at 02:02 pm
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"He has more recorded tracks than any other rapper, and has been in the game forever."

Both of these statements are 100% NOT true. Back to hip hop school for you!
keven / March 3, 2010 at 02:03 pm
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"He has more recorded tracks than any other rapper, and has been in the game forever."

Both of these statements are 100% NOT true. Back to hip hop school for you!
keven / March 3, 2010 at 02:03 pm
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"He has more recorded tracks than any other rapper, and has been in the game forever."

Both of these statements are 100% NOT true. Back to hip hop school for you!
keven / March 3, 2010 at 02:03 pm
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"He has more recorded tracks than any other rapper, and has been in the game forever."

Both of these statements are 100% NOT true. Back to hip hop school for you!
Atone / March 3, 2010 at 03:14 pm
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@Kevin - got your point homey, no need to post 5 times ;)

@marlon - "I just think backpack rap is hip hop for nerds. I don't like it."

Fair enough, to each their own.

I can't disagree that DOOM is "backback rap", however- although his shit sounds random, there is deep poetic subtext to it to be interpreted by the listener (ya, I'm nerd). Its poetry, non protest. This is what I dig about DOOM, he's unconventional, his flow(or rap, but i'd still call it flow) breaks any previous convention. "Knowledge" drive rap, like mos, talib, Nas Common... is literal and direct. DOOM is poetic, its creative and there is definitely knowledge there, its just not spoon fed to ya, you need to interpret. He's doing something different and to those who can appreciate it, elevated - and to my mind that deserves respect in today's hip hop scene.



keven replying to a comment from Atone / March 3, 2010 at 03:37 pm
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lol I have no idea why it did that

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