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After 40 years is Karma Co-op about to go deadpool?

Posted by Sarah Ratchford / March 11, 2013

Karma Coop TorontoKarma Co-op, the beloved non-profit organic food cooperative, is in danger of having its doors closed for good. Members of the co-op received an email late last week. The email, which was later circulated on Reddit, spread concern about the shop's imminent demise —unless they increase sales by $21,000 per month.

Talia McGuire is the acting general manager of the Annex shop, and she says the co-op realized it was in serious trouble at the last AGM in October. Since then, Karma has been hosting internal workshops and events to try to get existing members to be more actively engaged. The co-op also held a membership drive in November, but McGuire says it didn't drum up the support needed to create a significant leap in sales. That leap has to happen by June, or the co-op is kaput.

Opening up the model to accommodate non-members would undeniably ramp up sales numbers, but McGuire says making those changes would be more difficult than it sounds.

"Our model is not set up to allow non-members to shop, but we're re-evaluating that and discussing how to eliminate barriers to joining and make that more accessible." In the meantime, they have extended their trial shopping period from a day to a month, and the membership fee is waived for that period. (Membership is $40 per year).

Karma is aiming to attract 100 new members by June, as well. More details can be found on their site.

Discussion

48 Comments

Ron Thom / March 11, 2013 at 04:06 pm
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What on earth does deadpool mean? Is that even a word? How can you expect to be taken seriously when you're making up words for headlines? Stop it, Blog TO.
Mark / March 11, 2013 at 04:09 pm
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Agree, just say its closing.
Who Gives replying to a comment from Ron Thom / March 11, 2013 at 04:11 pm
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A shop in a back alley with strict rules catering to people who are expected to volunteer actively is not sustainable in this day and age.
ian / March 11, 2013 at 04:11 pm
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i thought they meant deadpool from marvel comics
the lemur replying to a comment from Ron Thom / March 11, 2013 at 04:16 pm
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_pool
the lemur replying to a comment from Ron Thom / March 11, 2013 at 04:17 pm
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Karma Co-Op is not in the Annex.
A Karma Member replying to a comment from Who Gives / March 11, 2013 at 04:42 pm
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Karma is a wonderful institution, store and community.

You can choose to work (volunteer) or you can be a non-working Member. Those interested in great local produce and products should come and try it for the free trials.

People who are interested in alternatives to the main stream should probably join.

BTW the Co-Op is in Seaton Village which is right near the Annex neighbourhood, just steps away from Bloor & Bathurst.
Steph replying to a comment from the lemur / March 11, 2013 at 04:45 pm
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Karma is in The Annex
http://www.toronto.ca/demographics/cns_profiles/cns95.htm
Jane / March 11, 2013 at 04:45 pm
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I wonder what they did for their membership drive. I live quite close to there and I don't remember seeing even a flyer in my mailbox.

Reading their website makes it seem like an intimidating place to go. The location can't be helping matters.
Kickstarter / March 11, 2013 at 04:46 pm
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Hey Karma CO-OP, get Toronto to Kickstart your funding. Set up a kickstarter and ask the community for help.
Steve / March 11, 2013 at 04:46 pm
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And don't forget their prices are higher.

So to sum up: Located in a back alley, only members can shop there, costs $40 a year to be a member, prices are higher than most other grocery stores, members must work there at least two hours a month or pay a fee.

This is not a slam against Karma Co-op, or any organic grocery stores, but it is easy to see how shopping there is prohibitively expensive and inconvenient for the average consumer. One has to be rather well-off with flexible work hours to be able to afford to do the right thing by shopping at Karma Co-op.
Me replying to a comment from Ron Thom / March 11, 2013 at 04:52 pm
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It's an internet Blog, no one takes it seriously anyway.
the lemur replying to a comment from Steph / March 11, 2013 at 05:00 pm
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The city might consider it part of the Annex for convenience (hell, the city even considers Yorkville part of the Annex), but no one who lives near Karma considers it the Annex.

No Annex street signs west of Bathurst = not the Annex.
Lachlan / March 11, 2013 at 05:00 pm
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Only found out about it last week when I was asked by someone for it's whereabouts, while I was walking home on Palmerston for the millionth time...

But I'm interested, for sure. No reason why it can't be as successful (or awesome) as Mountain Equipment Co-op.
Steph replying to a comment from the lemur / March 11, 2013 at 05:11 pm
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The official City of Toronto website is an authoritative source for neighbourhood boundaries and so it is fine for the blog writer to state that Karma is in The Annex. I'm not saying that you're incorrect, but she isn't either.
Deadpool McMortPiscine replying to a comment from Ron Thom / March 11, 2013 at 05:24 pm
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Deadpool has been around for eons, newbie.

www.imdb.com/title/tt0094963/?ref_=sr_2
Bob The Builder / March 11, 2013 at 05:31 pm
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This article interested me.
So i went to the website to check it out and possibly joining.
After reading on how to be a member, I changed my mind.
WAYYYYY too confusing.
I would love to support a place like this. But a confusing membership policy, and other alternatives that are much easier to join.
If it does end up in the deadpool it would not be a surprise to be honest.
me / March 11, 2013 at 05:39 pm
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Place sounds like it was a cult.
Me replying to a comment from me / March 11, 2013 at 06:09 pm
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Pretty much.
Geoff / March 11, 2013 at 09:51 pm
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please. stop using this ridiculous term deadpool.
Rick / March 11, 2013 at 09:54 pm
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Another hippie joint bites the dust - who cares.

This is the real world, the organic food space can be found at all major supermarkets now.
Me replying to a comment from Geoff / March 11, 2013 at 10:06 pm
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Ooh, but it makes BlogTO so EDGEY!
piero / March 11, 2013 at 11:18 pm
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I like the concept though find the details around becoming a member too complex. How much time are they spending on scheduling? Perhaps a MEC or Co-Op model would be better suited to attracting a larger base of shoppers/members. I don't think they can survive with this model in light of all the online and farm CSA options now available to shoppers.
Josh replying to a comment from Me / March 11, 2013 at 11:20 pm
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EDGEY? What are you a director from the 90's?
Me replying to a comment from Josh / March 11, 2013 at 11:26 pm
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Yes.
former Karma member / March 12, 2013 at 09:17 am
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I joined Karma last year for a 3 month trial. I was really excited to find fresh, mostly local, mostly organic produce and free range eggs at a price considerably lower than Loblaws. Then I tried to fill my volunteer hours and 2 hours a month quickly became a demand for 15-20 hours and what seemed like a better way to buy groceries quickly became a part time job (unpaid) that I did not want or need. I provided them with a long list of great ideas (my background is marketing) to help pull in business - they have used almost none of them. They have no one to blame but themselves and this last ditch effort could have been avoided with just a little forethought and work 6 months ago. It's incredibly disappointing.
Rosie / March 12, 2013 at 11:19 am
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I think that it has potential despite all the additional add ons. I regularly shop at the 23 hr metro near Spadina and their prices are ridiculous. Peanut Butter for $8, no thank you. I shop there for convenience ( I'm often at school until night), so I'm not against paying more if I'm receiving a better quality. However, if mismanagement is the issue then I don't know if new customers can do much to solve their internal issues.
linus / March 12, 2013 at 12:44 pm
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Karma Co-op is not for everyone. But it is for people who care about where their food is from (it isn't your typical so called "organic" section at your local grocery store -- the buyers are very knowledgeable and did all the research so you don't have to), are willing to pay a little more to buy organic, and care about the community. It is a member run not-for-profit. As a member, you can contribute to food issue, write for the newsletter, be part of one of the committees and contribute to the co-op.

The member structure definitely has its downfall, but as said in the article, it is working to try to simplify it and open it up to everyone.

By shopping there instead of my local Metro or Noah's, I know I am saving money on organic produce and bulk, contributing to a ethical practice (staff is paid a reasonable salary), and being a part of an amazing community of people who share some similar thoughts on the nature and the food industry.
Kate / March 13, 2013 at 10:58 am
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I am a member and I love Karma, it will be horrible to go back to shopping at a supermarket. Their products are carefully chosen to be as organic, local and fairtrade as possible, so they are more expensive than conventional stuff at a supermarket. But if you compare the prices of similar products at a supermarket or health store Karma is cheaper overall. It's small and friendly, I don't have to think too much when shopping because I trust the buyers choices. I enjoy doing a cash shift for 2 hours a month as I like meeting other members. And my money is going to fairly paid staff and local producers not to a corporation.

So overall I love this place- my weekly shop is cheaper and far more enjoyable and I've met great people there. I just hope there are enough other people who feel the same so this gem can carry on.
Emily / March 13, 2013 at 02:56 pm
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I’ve been a member at Karma for four years and have recently become more involved in one of its volunteer committees. I really like it, and wanted to share my perspective on the price issue and what I see as the bigger picture.

Karma’s prices are actually about 9% lower than nearby competitors, and sometimes as much as 17% lower according to a recent comparison. Regardless, I am personally willing to pay a bit more for food that is healthy and supports local, sustainable agriculture.

Aside from price, here are some of Karma's other attributes:

- Karma sells a lot of its products in bulk with minimal packaging (you can bring your own or buy bags for 5cents). Things like detergents, nut butters, oils, flours, miso, grains, beans, cereals, honey, agave, and (best of all) maple syrup are all sold in bulk. Hard to find elsewhere.

- Very few stores in Toronto have a purchasing policy that compares to Karma’s. It strives to carry local, organic and fair trade products wherever possible and has outright eliminated brands that don’t align with its ethical standards. (e.g Tropicana / Nestle) It is also committed to keeping foods with genetically modified ingredients off the shelves. This guarantee alone makes Karma’s membership fees worthwhile to me. (You can read their Product Policy on their website)

- Karma staff can “special order” products that customers request if they don’t already carry it. And if enough members request a product, Karma will gladly stock it (as long as it aligns with the purchasing policy). It’s this kind of two-way dialogue that is unique to the co-operative model. Karma is an ideal store for consumers who want to be involved and engaged in their food system and choices.

- Karma cultivates strong and lasting relationships with local farmers and food processors and works to pay them what their food is worth. (in my professional life I work with a lot of farmers and they have repeatedly told me even grocery stores who are outwardly committed to supporting local food still try and pay as little as possible for it…which to me does the opposite of supporting local farms).

If you're curious about Karma Co-op, I would recommend just going by the store one day to learn more and get a first hand experience. The staff are very knowledgeable and friendly, so feel free to ask them (or other members) questions about the co-op. Right now you can also shop for 30 days without having to become a member, so it’s a good way to get a feel for how the shopping experience, selection, and price compare to your usual grocery store.
Their website also has lots of good information.
Jim / March 13, 2013 at 05:17 pm
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Karma is the best. I'm glad you fucking losers will never join because you deserve the rotten processed foods that you've become addicted to.
Michelle / March 13, 2013 at 07:42 pm
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I’ve been a Karma member for almost 10 years and I love it. Every time I step into a regular grocery store, I notice a difference and I miss Karma. Here’s why:

1. Atmosphere and People. Karma is a community of people who have a shared vision of a sustainable, fair and healthy food system. This is evident from the atmosphere – from the eclectic music playing (chosen by staff members, not engineered to make you buy more), the community notice board, the quirky signs giving you more information about products, the availability of a washroom for members to use, and on and on. It is also evident because people feel comfortable talking to each other there – whether to ask how others prepare a particular vegetable, or to just shoot the breeze about a local event. I can’t remember the last time I spoke to someone I’d never met before at Loblaws or Qi but I do it all the time at Karma.

2. Learning/Making Connections. Working at Karma is not an obligation, as a previous commenter suggested, but a choice. I’ve really enjoyed putting my two hours/month in at Karma because it has allowed me to get to know a little bit more about how a food store works, and to get to know other members, who I then later bump into in the store, which gets back to point #1.

3. Fair Prices. Karma tries not only to keep prices low for members, but pay fair prices to farmers and other producers. This does not mean that Karma’s prices are necessarily higher (they may seem higher because we list prices in kilos not pounds like most other places), but it’s important to note that good food cannot be gotten at rock bottom prices unless someone (e.g. the farmer or the farm workers) are getting screwed – which is what is typically happening when you buy cheap organics or whatnot at Wal-Mart, and, I sometimes wonder, Herbs & Nutrition or Qi.

4. Democratic Principles. The fact that Karma sells only to members (and prospective members can try shopping there, no strings attached) is not about exclusivity. It’s about the fact that it’s a coop and has cooperative principles. It means we all pool our money and our resources to make it work. This has tremendous benefits. Because we all own the coop, and most of us help to run it, we all have a say and a part in how it is run. To give just one example, our product policy was created by members and through a full membership ratification process. Other decisions are also made democratically – through voting and other forms of member opinion collection. I’m not sure why the building that was originally chosen for the store was located in a back alley, but as a non-profit, this was likely a more financially viable option.

There are so many other reasons to love karma but to keep this short, I will stop listing them here.

New members are always welcome, and anyone can come do a “trial shop” (without first becoming a member) any time!
Linden / March 13, 2013 at 08:35 pm
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I don't understand the volunteering part, it is just a grocery store should not require such commitment even if it is local and organic.
T.IsGood.ca replying to a comment from Steve / March 13, 2013 at 08:44 pm
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What makes you think the prices are higher? I've done price checks and Karma always comes out waaay ahead of the others.
Kumar OMalley replying to a comment from Rick / March 14, 2013 at 10:32 am
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Thanks for cutting through all those thoughts and words and getting straight to the heart of it, Rick!

If more of these hippies would live in the REAL world instead of going on with all that whatever-it-is, people like us wouldn't have to read about it on the Internet.

Much Thanks,

A Fellow Insightful Citizen
the lemur replying to a comment from Steph / March 14, 2013 at 10:53 am
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The city makes up names for areas that are purely administrative and convenient. The Annex and Seaton Village were incorporated into the city at different times, likewise Yorkville. On the ground, no one calls Seaton Village the Annex.
Steph replying to a comment from the lemur / March 14, 2013 at 04:23 pm
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Karma describes themselves as being 'in the heart of the Annex' on their Facebook page. Since they have been in the neighbourhood for more than 40 years I don't know how much more 'on the ground' you can get.
Dwney / March 15, 2013 at 02:17 pm
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Are you the same reviewer who wrote articles about the closing, and then the salvation of Tortilla Flats? I'll suppose you are. Please, you must stop using the word "deadpool." The word makes no sense in this context. Does BlogTO have editors? I'll suppose there aren't.
the lemur replying to a comment from Steph / March 15, 2013 at 04:09 pm
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Even so, I would put the 'heart' of the Annex firmly east of Bathurst.
HUH? / March 15, 2013 at 05:37 pm
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This place sounds like a sequel to Martha Marcy May Marlene.

Be very wary.
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Me / March 16, 2013 at 07:38 am
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Then why the fuck are you here?
Simon Tarses McRoid-Rage / March 16, 2013 at 08:56 am
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Off your meds again, Simon?
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Simon Tarses McRoid-Rage / March 16, 2013 at 09:24 am
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Was I even talking to you, asshole?
Simple Simon: Angry Highman replying to a comment from Simon Tarses / March 16, 2013 at 10:24 am
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Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt your super-important astral trip to Venus.

(weirdo...)
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Simple Simon: Angry Highman / March 18, 2013 at 12:00 am
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I wasn't aware that a response to somebody was a 'trip to Venus', moron. Also, why is my mental state your business?
Steve replying to a comment from T.IsGood.ca / April 21, 2013 at 07:34 pm
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Bananas were $1.69 a pound versus .89 at Metro.
T.IsGood.ca replying to a comment from Steve / April 21, 2013 at 09:33 pm
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Hmmm. I haven't looked at bananas at either place. When I checked amber maple syrup last fall it was 14.98 L at karma vs 34.60 at metro.
Sandy replying to a comment from T.IsGood.ca / April 21, 2013 at 11:56 pm
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Karma will get you - Karma Co-op had its time and its place and we while comparing it to the major big chain grocery stores. We also have to realize that even within their own niche "Organic, Locally Sourced, Free Trade food" other stores and co-ops have opened up all over the city as the trend and/or demand has grown.

What has Karma done to adjust and adapt with all of its direct competitors opening all over the city? What differentiates it from other places that have great knowledgeable staff? The fact that I have to volenteer my own hours to work there so that I can shop there?

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