Eat & Drink
Revisiting the Beer Store monopoly (and why it sucks)
Many tend to think fondly of visits to The Beer Store as a unique, Ontario experience, whether it be grabbing a six pack and heading to the park, filling the trunk with beer and ice for a weekend barbecue, or grabbing a 2-4 on the way up to the cottage.
With its dusty wall of labels to choose from, metal conveyor belts, and line-ups, it's easy to think of the Beer Store as a sort of provincial institution — a no-nonsense, government-controlled, beer distribution centre. The truth is, of course, that The Beer Store is not a government institution at all. It's a privately owned company. And, while the experience of visiting The Beer Store is indeed unique to Ontario, these days it really has less and less to do with the beer companies who are actually based in the province at all.
Because when you buy beer at The Beer Store, you're actually supporting massive corporations based at least in part in the States, in Brazil, in Belgium, or in Japan — regardless of the brand of beer you actually buy.
The Beer Store, as you probably already know, is actually owned by Labatts, Molson-Coors, and Sleeman, and however Canadian these household brands may sound, they're not. Molson isn't really just Molson anymore. It's Molson-Coors, a company with equal ownership in Canada and the United States. Labatt Brewing Company is owned by Anheuser-Busch InBev, a Belgian-Brazilian multinational company headquartered in Leuven, and, since 2006, Sleeman has been owned by Japanese brewer Sapporo.
As the owners of The Beer Store, these three brewers are not only taking in an astounding 79.2% of the market share of all beer sold in Ontario, but they also gets to make up standards and fees to which any other brewer must adhere if he or she wants the store to stock his or her products.
A report from the Fraser institute entitled, "The results of beer regulation in Ontario" recently detailed those fees:
There are two fees that TBS charges breweries to have their products sold in its store. The first is a one time listing fee with a base charge of $2,650.14 plus $212.02 per store that the product is sold in. This amount is paid per product that the brewery would like to sell. For example, if a brewery had six distinct brands of beer and wanted to sell each brand in packages of 6, 12, and 24, they would need to pay a listing fee for 18 products. The second is what TBS refers to as a "handling fee." This fee is charged at between $43.40/hectolitres and $49.40/ hectolitres or between $3.65 and $4.15 for every case of 24 beers. Both of these fees only apply to non-owner breweries.
So the big brewers profit not just from sales of their own massively popular beers and the sale of other beers in The Beer Store, but also just for letting other breweries sit on their shelves.
Of course, as an old Toronto Star article explains, The Beer Store doesn't use the term "profits." Instead "the stores operate on a "cost-recovery" basis, meaning the fees are supposed to cover its costs. When the fees exceed the costs, the store issues a rebate - but only to The Beer Store's owners. If costs exceed the fees, the owners make up the difference. No one knows when or if the owners get a rebate because the privately-owned chain isn't required to make that information public."
Surprisingly, the historical roots of this system come from a desire to protect small brewers. The Beer Store (then the Brewers Warehousing Company Ltd. and later Brewers Retail) was originally a co-operative established after the end of Prohibition in 1927 after the government decided it didn't want the responsibility of distributing beer in the province. It was originally owned by every brewer then in business in Ontario.
Now, thanks to years of successive consolidation of brewing companies, ownership rests in the hands of these three companies, putting us in the weird position of living in a province whose government's regulation is protecting multinational companies.
Of course, The Beer Store touts its considerable charity work, notably positive environmental impact (saving the province countless dollars in recycling costs by accepting bottle returns), and its friendly fee structure for smaller brewers as evidence that they're not the controlling monopoly they're made out to be.
And the argument can also be made that The Beer Store offers brewers the ability to present their products to consumers in over 430 stores across Ontario, a market they wouldn't otherwise have access to given Ontario's strict liquor laws that dictate where booze can be sold.
Which seems like a fair argument, until you consider that the "exposure" being offered is typically no more than a spot with all the other brands on the wall of labels. Thanks to the The Beer Store's lack of any real "browsing experience" or signage, it's highly unlikely a consumer will wander into the get-in-and-get-out set up of a Beer Store and come out with a new craft brand that seemed interesting.
What little "marketing" does happen at the Beer Store likewise only serves to help the big guys. The "Ice Cold Express" for example, that wall of refrigerated beer, is really just a showcase of brewers with a willingness to shell out some more money for the right to be there (and guess who has that kind of dough to spend?).
Other "marketing" measures like "The Big Ten," that list of The Beer Stores' top sellers, also serve to further compound the problem by helping the big guys continue to push their own brands--because they are already the best-selling beers.
Ever see "Ten Ontario Beers You Should Try" or "Ten Great Craft IPAs" listed at The Beer Store? Not bloody likely, and you probably won't any time soon.
The Beer Store is a wildly successful monopoly wherein the three biggest players in the market are somehow being allowed to not only dictate the terms by which their smaller competition gets to enter the biggest outlet for their products but actually force them to pay for the right to do so!
So how does this effect you? Because this province's craft brewers, who make delicious, complex, and interesting beers, have to pay more and work harder simply for the right to sell their beer somewhere, we, the consumers, typically have to pay more to enjoy their products. They need to up their prices to cover the expenses of producing their beer and, if they so choose, paying The Beer Stores fees.
They also have to work extra-hard to market their products against the guys that have millions and millions to spend on advertising, so we're forced to pay more to support Ontario's craft brewers. The alternative is that we turn a blind eye to the situation and buy lagers off the Big Ten list whose most redeeming feature is how very cold their beer can be. Either way, we lose.
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/grabs torch and pitchfork
More of a duopoly then a monopoly. This Rogers/Bell for tv
And the claim that small brewers are given access to a whole province of consumers is two-fold. The Beer Store can be a big steel door blocking the promotion of local product. You can't play in the big leagues if the coach doesn't pick you.
Screw the Beer Store. Mother/Destroyer.
I bet if you were to randomly poll people just out walking around, that 90% or more would state confidently that the beer store is government run.
I can't think of many parts of Ontario or Toronto that don't HAVE LCBO's at some location nearby... if you dislike the options at the Beer Store, don't shop there.
everyone should write to Dalton McGuinty:
https://correspondence.premier.gov.on.ca/en/feedback/default.aspx
2) The Beer Store is 3x more profitable than the LCBO and the province doesn't lift a finger. In fact, one could argue that we have shifted the burden to the large breweries, that if they want to make money selling a product that has dangerous effects, it will cost you.
3) It creates well-paying jobs with benefits. Comparatively to privately run retailers in other provinces/states where they are low-paying service jobs
4) I have lived in BC, Quebec and have travelled extensively in the rest of Canada and the US. Ontario has the best run alcohol and liqour sales that I have seen for relatively low prices.
It seems people are mad just at the idea of a monopoly. But we still have control and the government can regulate how the Beer Stores operate. Pressure on the Ontario government to showcase independent labels seems like the better way to go.
And as far as the union angle goes, customer service in both places (Beer Store and LCBO) is terrible, with workers often having their own private jokes/discussions/arguments in front of the customers or ignoring the customers at the cash register. And god forbid you ask them to door get something for you. There are some good workers there but you'd think that they'd have a better attitude considering the coin they make.
Also, minimum wage union jobs for a small amount of people is moot compared to the entrepreneurial opportunities that would exist for people - essentially allowing them to create their own destiny instead of working at a shitty thankless job.
The Beer Store is dead.
i don't want a beer "browsing experience" or to be inundated with more beer marketing from small manufacturers while i'm in getting a case - that's what social media is for - like a sign in a beer store is going to take me away from my old favorites on a saturday night.
and for anyone complaining about the attitude of beer store employees, shame on you, yuppie swine. i looked forward to the no nonsense sarcastic nature of my beer store experience. you don't like it? head down to the beer boutique and grab a 4 pack of mike's hard lemonade.
Oops I forgot...blog to is all about LOCAL!
If they had shot down my article pitch because they let advertising dollars dictate content, then you'd have something to get all CAPSLOCK about.
It's a monopoly and consumers/taxpayers always end up suffering for it.
Anyone who defends this system is a big fat retard and Dalton's unwitting mouthpiece.
Politician should be hung by the balls for not having the courage to stand up for something.
I nearly don't drink anymore as the the LCBO / beer store experience makes me sick to my stomach, and I don't like the idea of giving the government more of my money.
you work 9-5, buy car/house, raise kids, save for retirement, and hope nothing tragic happens in your life. you are supposed to abide by the rules. be a good citizen. get that economy running.
say you are free.
-- the idea that there ought to be a single system of beer distribution in Ontario (which is actually probably a net positive for small brewers and the like, certainly a positive for recycling. Small brewers have a harder time in the U.S.)
-- the idea that three large beverage companies should make excess profits off beer distribution (bad)
-- the idea left over from the Temperance days that alcohol should be priced quite high to discourage consumption (positive for small breweries but negative for beer drinkers)
All of these factors are present in the modern alcohol system in Ontario, and it is possible to criticize parts of it while supporting other parts. The Beer Store system is not 100% bad. If the government took ownership and eliminated the minimum beer pricing rules, everybody except the multinational beverage companies would win.
I can appreciate the Beer Store's commitment to the environment and safe service; however, your comments don't address the inherent flaw with having the big brewers competitors pay them for the right to be sold there. Surely you can see how that might be perceived as harmful to smaller brewers and massively advantageous to the big guys.
I also don’t think the Beer Store can take any credit for the growth in craft beer sales. Sorry. I’d argue that virtually all credit is due to the hard-working craft brewers of this province who are busting their asses to sell their products and are doing so in spite of a system of laws that makes it exceedingly difficult for them to get their products to people who might want to drink them.
I’m not arguing that we shut down the Beer Store outright, but changes could certainly be made to allow other brewers more of a say in how beer is sold in this province. Whether that be more owner-brewers at The Beer Store (if that’s even possible) or craft-focused retail outlets--I can’t say, but surely the Ontario consumer and the small Ontario brewer would benefit from re-examining the system that’s currently in place.
I didn't say the product was cheaper in Ontario than quebec. I said when you factor in Liquor prices it was similar. However, I have yet to find any store that provides anywhere close to the selection the Beer Store provides. However, the cheapest cases aren't that far apart in comparison. It's the more expensive cases that become cheaper in Quebec. You can buy a case for 27 dollars in Ontario, and support independent local brands like Brick.
And as for your other point. I don't know if you're describing convenience stores as great entrepreneurial opportunities. However, there are those opportunities in Ontario. With less risk of robbery thanks to Alcohol sales. Also, beer stores jobs are probably more shitty and thankless because of customers who don't thank them. (maybe you?) I try to thank all service staff who help me. I hope others do the same
And I know a few people who work at Beer Stores, and they all seem to enjoy it actually. Only a small sample, but still. I worked at a convenience store for 5 years. It sucked. It would've sucked a lot more if we sold alcohol.
One concern I have is with the new "browsing experience" stores is that they can not be nearly as environmentally friendly as the older stores.
Is that supposed to be funny? 'Cause funny it is.
The only downside is returning empties can be a bit of a pain when I have 30 loose cans and bottles :-P Very small price to pay though for excellent beer.
Indeed they have a large selection, horribly displayed with no accompanying information, don't touch the bottle displays, etc. Ask for a beer not in their top 10 sellers and the entire process grinds to a halt as they search for it in the warehouse, the line behind gets restless, the warehouse flunky comes to the front asking to spell the beer name, the cash register flunky is searching for the hotkey on the register. Truly a horrible experience.
It's painful to admit but the province does reap benefits from both the beer store and LCBO retail models. But they also greatly harm small and new drinks' entrepreneurs. Simply Ontario needs a third beer, wine and spirits retail marketing system, perhaps a beer store similar original intent in the form of a made in Ontario retail consortium whose only entrance requirement is just that: made in Ontario.
When I was in Quebec, i went to a Dep and bought a boatload of Quebec microbeer, none of which you can get in Ontario (in other words: tax revenue Ontario lost). I then went to Atwater market, where I bought bottles of Les Trois Mouskatiers. More Quebec beer, more tax revenue that was gifted to Quebec.
Same story in Calgary - i bought lots of Alley Katz (Edmonton microbrewery).
If I had to guess, I'm now spending $200 a month on beer, and none of it is from the LCBO or The Beer Store. Its all directly from Ontario breweries, or mostly from out of province purchases (Michigan and New York say hello). That's a LOT of tax revenue that doesn't get funnelled back into our province.
And why? Because we allow mega-corporations that ARE NOT CANADIAN to operate a beer monopoly.
Such an opportunity lost.
That said, all the reasoning and rationale aside, I genuinely cannot think of a single reason why a privately owned, government-sanctioned (I say "sanctioned" because they allow it happen aren't inclined to change it) virtual monopoly on beer distribution in Ontario is a good thing.
There are certainly arguments to be made about the LCBO monopoly, but at least we own that. The Beer Store on the other hand, besides being a privately held company isn't even Canadian owned anymore - meaning that decisions about how beer is distributed in this province are made in Colorado (don't kid yourselves in thinking Molson/Coors is an equal partnership. The Coors side calls the shots), Japan and Belgium/Brazil, all with our government's blessing.
How on earth is that a situation that makes sense?
At the end of the day, I'm not exactly willing to take to the streets and Occupy Beer Stores over this, but seriously, that's messed up.
Please list all of the beer sold/SKUs by the following Toronto breweries:
Bellwoods
Spearhead
Augusta
Great Lakes
Duggans
Now, let's list the number of Quebec and Manitoba breweries you list. You know...those provinces located next to us? Like:
Half Pints
Dieu du Ciel
Fort Garry
Les Trois Mouskatiers
Charlevoix
Trou du Diable
Cheval Blanc
Hopfenstark
Shall I list more?
You guys make it impossible for the little guy to succeed. You're a fat, bloated, gross monopoly that's happy to pump out beer and not promote independent breweries. Surprised you don't have girls in Bud bikinis at each Beer Store, "suggesting" to your patrons what they should drink
The way beer is ordered and brought out is so archaic (buying single cans also tends to grind things to a halt) that it would be a total failure if any other retail outlet in the world adopted it. The wall takes forever to read and people have no idea if they actually have anything on the wall in stock. And in a lot of Beer Stores the empties go to the same register as purchases which slows it down even more. A total failure on all counts.
This is Canada and we are use to a lack of selection. Look at your choices for cable, wireless, internet. The Beer Store and LCBO have a huge selection, they may not have every micro brewery known to man but many of the larger breweries buy up these micro breweries once they gain in popularity anyway. I personally am overwhelmed with the selection of beers these days.
And yes the Beer Store being a monopoly is not a good thing, but again something we have come to deal with in this country. The fact that it's not even a Canadian monopoly is more of a concern. Yet the fact that it's foreign ownership we don't even get all of the beer that they produce. Again are we really complaining we don't have enough of a selection?
I think the LCBO has done a great job over the years making sure they have enough locations in the downtown core, the BS not so much.
I think the other key concern for many people is convenience. There are clothing stores open later than the LCBO and Beer Stores and I wish that if we wanted a basic 6 pack (again we don't need a huge selection here, just the basics) we could get it from a convenience store or gas station. I mean if you can buy cigarettes at these places why not beer or wine?
This isn't the old days anymore when beer didn't have to taste good, it only had to contain beer. And as far as that huge selection at the Beer Store goes, it doesn't matter when it's a huge selection of crap which is why most micros are found in the LCBO.
Instead every Beer Store in my neighborhood has a huge parking lot out front with zero bike parking.
It's small potatoes, but sours me on their whole "We're Green!" marketing bullshit.
We need more independent chains in this country to give some sort of real option and uniqueness. We have so much potential to be different, but we're so monopolized, it's a little sad.
Convience stores in Toronto often have a wide variety of things, they'll have a lot less space for everyday products if Beer takes over the store. Also there is quite the selection of beers at the beer stores. Once you give it up to the convienience stores two or three major brands will own all the shelf space it will be all Bud, Labatt, and Molson products
Perhaps something similar could be proposed for craft beers in Ontario; specialized stores selling only craft beers.
Depanneurs in Quebec do carry beer from some smaller brewers, but most of the beer they carry is from the large breweries.
jesus F.
all people want is a couple of coolers full of cold beer, not to turn it into another beer store.
Also, there are huge labour issues with beer - it's the big reason you cannot bring beer over provincial borders. Say if Molson went on strike in Ontario (separate union from Quebec), it stops Molson from bringing beer in from Quebec. Just another angle to think of but Craft Breweries should be able to help employ a lot of Ontarioians.
I've only heard this through others... so I might be wrong.
And I do want to eliminate the beer store or add ownership to from the Ontario Craft Brewer's Association.
The reality is that in a pure competitive market that store would have nothing but Molson Canadian and Labatts Blue in it. It's essentially an isolated outpost with no competition.
The fact that you could get a quality microbrew a half hour north of the middle of nowhere is the sort of thing that only happens when market demand isn't the only driving factor.
I despise the beer store. I despise the monopolistic pricing. I despise the fact that different stores are open different hours on different days- and closed completely at times of highest demand (holidays). I despise the fact that there is rarely one within easy walking distance. I despise the mountain of white trash beer gear on display in nearly every store. I despise the shitty, miserable little buildings that are always surrounded by huge parking lots. I despise the 'Sovietness' of the entire purchasing procedure. And I really, completely despise the fact that the employees can be such idiots at times. My girlfriend and I were once refused service for "exhibiting signs of inebriation" even though we'd had nothing to drink. Our crime? Tickling each other in line. This was 10 minutes before closing and too late to walk to the next 'nearest' (lol) store so we had to go to the party and mooch off friends all night.
Of course the foreign owners love this setup. They only have to deliver to fewer than 100 retail outlets rather than thousands of corner and grocery stores. They can set hours that
will save on payroll and fuck what the customers want. The can set prices to whatever they like and fuck the customers. They can tell the customer to simply fuck right off for that matter. They can push their swill brands, charge outrageous shelving fees and fuck the competition- there's a reason that Bud and Coor's Light are the number one brands in Ontario and it's certainly not the quality!
Don't just close these shitty little shacks down- BURN them down! They're a travesty that only exist in Ontario. I wonder why?
Are the convience stores gonna take back the cans and bottles? Or will we just remove the deposit and through them all in the garbage to recycling like other countries?
http://www.brouehaha.com/ (in @#!! Gatineau)
http://www.premierwines.com/ & http://www.premiergourmet.com/ (Buffalo)
http://www.citybeerstore.com/ (San Francisco)
http://www.binnys.com/ (Chicago)
The current duopoly model stifles price competition and ensures that the little guy is kept out of Beer and Liquor stores. The LCBO doesn't even use its size or market penetration to pay the least possible price. The LCBO agency store program makes it clear that small businesses in Ontario can sell booze just fine without all hell breaking loose.
I only go into the Beer Store to return empties. Thanks, Dalton.
Also keep in mind that Alberta still has a complete distribution monopoly.
Outside of Ontario there would probably be dozens of gas stations and stores along the way where you could pick up a decent selection because micros can afford to sell where they don't have to pay 'listing fees'. I doubt you'll find Mill Street or Steam Whistle in too many rural locations when it costs them thousands of dollars just to enter each dinky little store- the rare time that you can find one.
As for the Quebec and Manitoba brews you list this likely has nothing to do with the Beer Store and everything to do with interprovincial trade barriers. Maybe your question really should by why aren't they at the LCBO who have the right of first refusal for any beer from out of province.
The province sets the price. Everything goes through the AGCO. Putting beer in corner stores will reduce selection while the price remains the same. At least until a whole lot of other provincial law is changed regarding beer pricing and good luck with that when government is addicted to the easy tax revenue from alcohol in general.
Foreign owned??? This really is an issue? Why? Do you shop at Walmart? Do you buy your gas from Shell or Esso? Do you drink booze or wine from only Ontario and only locally owned? Give me a break. The whole of Canada is foreign owned. Get over it.
I don't think the system is perfect but I also think between the LCBO and The Beer Store we have more selection than any other province in Canada.
It hasn't happened in any other retail market in Toronto. What makes beer magic?
Loblaws, Walmart, etc... are all about large brands that they can needle for steep discounts to improve their retail margin.
I guess they'll somehow act differently when selling beer?
If you think the Beer Store is a "steel door" try getting a product onto a Loblaws or Walmart shelf.
Ben - you should investigate how Chapter's manages it's retail. When you see what the real world looks like, the Beer Store will look like a saint in comparison.
Seriously people get a clue - retail is friggin vicious.
until then I given up trying to support craft beer here.
The fact of the matter is that there is no other retail environment like ours for beer and as soon as a customer experiences a better one (be that in a nearby state or province) they realize how much better we could have it.
Everyone appreciates donations to cancer research, please stop hiring assholes.
There are some good posts explaining why price comparisons are not straightforward.
Norway-Vinmonopolet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinmonopolet)
Sweden-Systembolaget (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systembolaget]
Iceland-Vínbúðin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%ADnb%C3%BA%C3%B0)
Finland-Alko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alko] (all of these are the ONLY places in the nations mentioned to buy wine, beer AND spirits, and all are owned directly by the goverment.)
Many of the nations mentioned also have the same laws against drinking outside of the premises as Ontario does as well. So, while you all decry both the LCBO and The Beer Store, please remember how worse it is in the nations I've shown here (especially considering these are the nations that most North Americans hold as being what North America should be more like in public policy and everything else!)
It's obviously going to take a lot of time to change opinions and minds as to how alcohol would (and will) be retailed, as well as consumed. We all (not me, because I don't consume alcohol as a matter of thumb for me, as I have medical problems, and I never developed a taste for spirits or beer) have to work hard at changing said attitudes toward how alcohol is served, consumed, and sold over the course of the 21st century (the same also applies to other drugs as well, but you don't need me to spell that obvious fact out.
Seriously, maybe you can't find that Organic flavour everywhere because there isn't a big enough market for that package? So it's only available in selected stores that are big enough to have the shelf space to dedicate to a low return sku. It's highly unlikely you are going to find it at the corner variety store unless the owner also likes that flavour. Meaning you have to travel to get a specialty item.
Do you really believe we don't have monopoly grocery stores? Loblaws flies probably half a dozen different banners but at the end of the day they are all Loblaws. Same for Metro and Sobey's. Three big players for groceries in Ontario plus Walmart wherever they have grocery and that is certainly not everywhere. How is that so different from two for beer and booze?
Yes I would agree the hours suck but maybe people should plan a head a little bit. I don't know that any retailer stays open if there is not some profit in it for them. Not to mention that my guess would be that many customers late at night are quite possibly impaired (at least under current law). Also, don't try and tell me that the little local store has the variety and selection of some of the mass merchandisers in any retail field. In today's world of globalization what you want is not what you are going to get from retailers unless they see a way to profit from it.
Other than that I agree that current rules in many ways allow the craft brewing industry to thrive in Ontario. If any domestic (Ontario) brewer chooses not to utilize the Beer Store for whatever reason that is not the fault of the Beer Store.
There are too many people who believe that 1) price will fall if beer is in corner store. It won't as long as price is regulated and uniform across the entire province.
2) That all craft brew is created at arms length from the big boys. There are many craft brewers who have some financial backing from the big three.
3) That the Beer Store has some sort of goal of eliminating craft brew. If that was the case they wouldn't have all the brews they currently carry now, it would be big three only.
Is it a perfect system, no. But if you think it would be better by just getting rid of it then think again. Perhaps there is a happy medium and ownership could be opened up but consider that right now the current owners take all the risk of running the system. If I was a craft brewer I'm not sure I would want to add that potential risk to my bottom line.
http://www.finewineandgoodspirits.com/
Utah loosened up a bit recently, although it still has a lot strange regulations.
That said the LCBO & Beer Store duopoly is fairly unusual--especially giving all large foreign breweries their part of a beer duopoly.
I don't think you will find consensus on your other statement that Scandinavia is the place that "most" North Americans hold dear.
The LCBO could remain just as profitable as it is now and still make beer drinkers happy at the same time by lessening some of the rules and allowing beer-savvy people to make the ordering decisions. Wine and spirit people seem to be well taken care of.
But if the Beer Store ever pushes up the daisies I wouldn't even stop to piss on its grave.
1) People who have never lived anywhere but Ontario or have rarely ventured outside of Ontario
2) People who seldom drink beer or don't drink at all
3) People who drink Bud Light and live right next door to a Beer Store
4) Beer Store employees and their lackeys
5) Saudi Arabians, Iranians, and that guy that recently moved here from Salt Lake City
There has not been one single compelling argument advanced which would indicate that the Beer Store is the way to go.
My guess is that you would also be able to find a Mill St or Steam Whistle product in Huntsville since the Muskoka area is full of Torontonians for half the year.
About the Scandinavia comment: I wasn't trying to insult Scandinavia, I was just saying that for such an enlightened continent, its nations seem to have very regressive liquor control regulations.
TRUTH: Beer store is a monopoly which benefits large Multi-National Brewers whose only will is to crush Craft Brewers. BUT: In reality, would a deregulated market help OCB's? Hard to believe. Like a deregulated market for..say clothing, any store can sell anything, anywhere. As such clusters based on dominant consumer groups form. E.G.>; In Yorkville you could visit an ALL Craft Brewers store, and at Dufferin Mall you could go to an ALL discount store. Access to Craft Beer, and soon amount of OCB competitors would go down as fewer and fewer 'regional' players would be able to gain scale. Your argument hinges on the regulations which are interjected in the fight between Multinationals and the OCB. Given Multi-billion dollar budgets of these Multinationals, you think OCB's would be BETTER off with less regulatory protection? (think...in the deregulated market, Molson [with its scale advantage] starts both the Wal-Mart and Banana Republic of Beer stores...Rule #1? No OCB's allowed). Don't believe me? Try the QC craft brewery market on for size. Shelf Space complaints? Try having your product wedged between the Cheetos and the Grape Soda. Lack of Marketing? The only beers that get front of house placement is Carling.
PS: you also claim that all Beer Store defenders have either NEVER lived out of Ontario, or, JUST moved here. So basically everyone in the world...?
Seems like there's a lot of debate going on in the comments. Maybe you should post it on equibbly.com and let the public vote for who's right?
I moved to New York in 2000, around the time that craft beers started taking off in the US. When I lived in Toronto I never cared about selection but now I'm seriously into brews like Unibroue and Dogfish Head. While you can get beer at many retail stores in New York like any product most places carry a limited selection of big brands and you have to go to the more "gourmet" spots (be it an enterprising deli, upscale supermarket, wine store, specialty store, whatever) to get the good stuff. People are free to shop where they want when they want for what they want. Works fine.
Somehow, I've never minded the LCBO monopoly. I think there is still an argument to be made there for a couple different reasons and even as a form of "sin tax", well, so be it. But beer should be freed of its bonds. Kill the Beer Store and let anyone sell beer.
Until the monopoly is disbanded (ie never?) the best way to support small breweries: word of mouth advertising and putting your money (or beer) where your mouth is!
Social responsibility has been used as a fig leaf for too long to cover the fact that the system is anachronistic and needs to be brought out of the 19th Century, and give us, the consumers a choice we are currently denied.
The last time I looked this wasn't Russia, we don't need totalisitc state (or beer co troika for that matter) control of something as banal as beer, tax it by all means, just relax the methods by which it can be purchased, and treat us like the adults we are, not as kids, who need to be told when to put the lid on the cookie jar.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/07/25/toronto-beer-stores.html
The system is fine the way it is. All this "but my rights as a beer drinker" talk is retarded. The Beer Store and LCBO business work fine and there's no need to change them.
Additionally, Craft/micro/whatever brewery terms are meaningless as everyone defines it their own way and only serve to reenforce a false sense of elitism.
Here's an example. Moosehead produces less beer than Sierra Nevada, which is claimed as a craft brewery based on volume. That's absurd, because Moosehead must therefore be a craft brewery based on volume. The delineating factor is that they use adjunct and therefore aren't considered craft.
Hop City is owned by Moosehead and doesn't use adjunct. The parent company is theoretically small enough to be considered a craft brewery in its own right barring the use of adjunct. So what exactly is Hop City? Some kind of mash tun parade for indigent brewmasters?
Look at Molson and Creemore and the Kellerbier. Didn't exist until Molson bought them. Sometimes huge conglomerates do good things.
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The argument that craft breweries would be most negatively impacted is simply not valid. Just the other day in Chicago I went to the Jewel-Osco (comparable to Metro), and to my delight, right next to all the big brand name beer was a very impressive wall display of all craft brews from the region and beyond. If anything, craft brewers would have an easier time getting their product to local consumers without jumping through hoops in order to get theirs onto LCBO shelves.
Please Free Our beer!
Sad to say, it will be here forever. Even when the issue does come up, the hicks choose to breathe their fire on the LCBO, which despite it's own monopoly, actually serves a social purpose rather than controlling the sale of a product and funneling it to a foreign country. Sad. I realize the sale of beer is not our province's most pressing need, but this longtime economic rape and complete compliance really says a lot about the province's citizens.
This was taken from a recent letter to the editor of the Toronto Star from our awesome President.
'Looking at the cost of beer comparison between Quebec/NY/Ontario a lot of it has to do with taxes. If they decide to sell beer in corner stores the price will not go down. The biggest driver of beer prices in Canada is our high tax rates.
Ontario commodity taxes alone on a case of 24 cans total $9.81. In New York state the commodity taxes are only .32/case, or 3% of the Ontario taxes. In Quebec, the provincial commodity taxes equal $4.26/case, or only 43% of the Ontario rate. Ontario needs to cut its beer tax levels.'
*On a side note, I wish they would do an 'Undercover Boss" for The Beer Store for the pure purpose of customers seeing what its like. Most people have no clue what is involved in working there. Remember, it's not the LCBO which has at least 7/8 staff members all the time (just stocking and scanning) We are mostly understaffed and overworked(although we can handle it so it continues). The employees that are getting paid as well as you think have been there over 15 yrs. Everyone starts at minimum wage...unlike the LCBO.
Most of us are hard workers that love our jobs, and of course like anyone would, we might get frustrated by customers complaining to us about prices/empties procedures..especially when there are more important issues in the world to complain about:)
Plus the most important thing-customers, unfortunately they do get staff with attitudes sometimes, it shouldnt happen, but this is reality and it does. Everywhere.
All this being said- i agree that changes can be made to improve service and beer selection...many of the complaints i have read can be addressed or have a reason why they arent,
one fact to remember-TBS may be owned by the big three, BUT it is governed by the LCBO, the government. The big three may be many things, but they are allowed to be whatever they are by those governing us.
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