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Toronto's New Brewmaster

Posted by Rick McGinnis / January 20, 2010

Toronto BrewmasterBack in the 1980s, Mike Duggan could be found behind the drums in any number of bars and clubs downtown, playing for beer and a cut of the door. Today, Duggan owns the door - he recently opened Duggan's Brewery in a long-empty heritage building on Victoria, putting his name up front after a long career working at practically every craft brewery in the province and beyond.

Those of us who were there remember Duggan as a rock-solid drummer, the indefatigable engine behind bands like Woods Are Full Of Cuckoos, The Lawn, Plasterscene Replicas and more - part of an underappreciated scene from which only The Rheostatics and, to a lesser degree, Change of Heart managed to produce more than a debut album or a few demo tapes, and which has yet to see any critical reappraisal. What few of us knew was that Duggan was spending his days studying for a degree in biology; he was working toward becoming a doctor, but looking back he sees it as part of the long and almost accidental apprenticeship that prepared him for a career in beer.

"Playing in a band and being in university nobody had any money," Duggan recalls, so he and Cuckoos guitarist Patrick Gregory started home brewing, a thrifty move that, unfortunately, would often see the product of their labour disappear during a single rehearsal. It was a dismal age for beer, Duggan recalls, before the appearance of small brewers like Connors, Wellington, Creemore and Amsterdam, and by the late '80s Duggan had a job at the Connors plant in the east end.

Duggan says that his biology degree helped him understand the process of brewing, but adds that a job at a Coca-Cola bottler in his teens - the same plant that his grandfather had unionized decades earlier - gave him an understanding of the engineering challenges involved in putting liquids in bottles. It was just one of the many fortunate accidents that he can now see almost inevitably led to a career that he never really planned for.

By the turn of the '90s he'd finished his degree and was touring with the Plasterscene Replicas, but it was a hand to mouth existence. "It was evident that it wasn't going to be my full-time job at that point," he recalls, and over the next few years he put his brewing credentials to good use, taking part in the microbrewery explosion in Canada and south of the border, where he helped set up countless small operations, even traveling to Cuba to work on a now-shelved brewpub project. "I just fell into these jobs because I had knowledge and connections, and some of it's luck and being in the right place at the right time, and I seem to have this flair for designing recipes that I enjoy, and I'm lucky that other people seem to enjoy them as well."

With two partners, Duggan started up Mill St. Brewery in the Distillery District, where his successes with their Organic and Tankhouse Ale increased his profile - all while continuing to work with other small brewers like Cool Beer. A disagreement with his Mill St. partners over expanding the business - Duggan was against it - led to his departure, and a search for a location to start his own brewery under his own name. "I made the mistake at Mill Street where I should have done it then, and I vowed not to make that mistake again."

The building on Victoria Street was once home to the Louie's/Growler's/Conchy Joe's brewpub complex, but had sat empty for years, and Duggan says it's been real work getting it in shape again. "It has beautiful bones, this building, but every contractor and utility guy has been in here, and it's got a terrible history." It has given him a chance to control his destiny, however, and he's even managed to put a few old bandmates and fellow musicians on the payroll - while we talk, one of them can be heard building a stage in the downstairs bar where Duggan plans to play.

"I don't see myself as just a brewmaster. I still play drums. I'm hoping to use the brewery to get the old band together - a place to play and a reason to play. I don't see myself as that one dimensional guy in my job."

"The thing with getting the band together is that it's music that I really enjoyed playing and loved hearing and the only way I can do some of that now is to play it. I kind of feel like it hasn't really changed at all. It's not the 80s, obviously, and we're not really as carefree - I have over 40 people now who I'm responsible for their income, so it's a bit more pressure, but I don't feel that different. I don't feel almost 50 - not yet."

Discussion

38 Comments

Rico / January 20, 2010 at 11:02 am
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Wow. Every craft brewery, eh? Where blogto gets their information from, is beyond me.
Nexus / January 20, 2010 at 11:16 am
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I went to Duggan's last friday.
Food was "ok" - I liked the cesar salad (not a ton of dressing which is good imho, found the "grilled" calamari more like pan fried and minuscule but tasty for the $12 that was charged.
Beer was "ok" and inexpensive for a downtown eatery. Service, on the other hand, was atrocious. I was disappointed that they were "out" of the Asian Lager, the Fest, and the #9 IPA was only available in bottles. Also disappointing was watching the two servers (on the right hand side of the brew pub) trying to pour the beer. Just watching them try to pour the German Pilsner was an exercise in frustration. I'd watch glasses that were quarter filled with beer and three quarters filled with head. Then there was the wait while they "scooped" the head off and have to try to fill up the rest of the glass only to have to wait while they once again, had to scoop out a second amount of head and try a third time to fill the glass.
If Mr Duggan has 40 staff that he is responsible for, there were, maybe, 5-8 actually working the floor on a Friday evening @ approx. 8pm. - not nearly enough to accommodate for a packed house. I know the place hasn't been opened that long but you'd think, knowing that this is downtown Toronto, that you'd have a pretty good idea of which nights are going to be your busy evenings (Fridays maybe???). I do hope that the joint succeeds though because I believe Toronto NEEDS to have more brew pubs and less dependency on Molson / Labatt's / Sleeman's (i.e. Molson/Miller/Coors & Inbev & Sapporo).
Rico / January 20, 2010 at 11:21 am
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Problem is, brewpubs don't make money. Also, that model means you're heavily restricted to how and where you can sell how much beer. His volume can't be that big. He's working on 10 Hl brewlength with some styles that need aging. He's using unitanks which helps, but a brewery of that size can't financially support that many staff, unless the restaurant really kicks ass, and they can sell beer in house. It also helps to package in small sizes, but again, that's probably done by hand, as he has no brewery real estate to spare for anything automated, and not much beer to waste. The solution to all this is to fire the LCBO and put in some way small brewers can actually grow.
Anthony / January 20, 2010 at 12:06 pm
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I've been twice. Once for a late lunch on a Monday where we were the only people there and once during a busy Friday lunch hour.

I had a very decent steak sandwich which, for $16, wasn't exactly a bargain, but didn't disappoint. The duck confit poutine was pretty tasty, although I wouldn't consider myself qualified to give it a comprehensive appraisal.

The service the first time was fast and efficient (we were the only ones there!) if a little stiff and severe. The service the second time suffered a bit due to the crowd and the bartender looked tense and not yet comfortable behind the taps.

The beer list didn't blow me away. I had the #9 IPA which was good, but maybe not as earth shatteringly amazing as I had hoped it would be. The German Pilsner is, imo, delicious and I would go back just for that. Haven't had a beer quite like it anywhere in Toronto. Will have to go back and check out their other offerings. It didn't seem like a cask conditioned ale was on offer, but it would be nice if a cask beer was added in the future.
Corporate Conspiracy / January 20, 2010 at 12:06 pm
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Why are Connors, Wellington, and Creemore linked, but not Amsterdam?
John Coates / January 20, 2010 at 12:12 pm
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Rico - excellent points

The LCBO needs to be reworked. I like a larger alcohol chain where you can guarantee some quality, but it screws small brewers and anyone who likes specialty beer. Even in the US, the beer distribution system screws small and regional breweries.

Also, when is Duggan going to do some casks at his brewpub?

The Brewpub also needs to step up its service. I was very disappointed when I went. It takes forever to order and receive another pint.

Cheers,
John
keven / January 20, 2010 at 12:39 pm
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"The solution to all this is to fire the LCBO and put in some way small brewers can actually grow."

Almost all the brewers mentioned in the article are available at the LCBO. If they are relevant to consumers, consumer demand will have them on lcbo shelves.

It's not up to the LCBO to market beer for micro-breweries. I think you seem to be missing that. Rico, the LCBO isn't a government welfare crutch for bad business-people and shitty beer. Privatizing won't help at all as supply and demand is the crux of that market.

You seem to have a major disdain towards the LCBO, otherwise I would have expected you to say something like:

The solution to all this is to <em>partner</em> with the LCBO and put in some way small brewers can actually grow.
Rico replying to a comment from keven / January 20, 2010 at 12:43 pm
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So that's it then? Just open a brewery and go through a select number of LCBO stores? Like I said, you know nothing about any of this. The LCBO is the only option for many brewers. And no, the LCBO does not distribute product out to the province. So you're stuck. Proper marketing of product goes way past the LCBO. If you had a food product in Ontario, imagine having one government run out let for food. Or clothing for that matter. Privatization of the LCBO would be one part of a strategy that allows real business, including other retailers. Canadians think Monopoly because they have so many industries where protectionism is alive and well. The LCBO only partners with large foreign owned companies, and companies like Bacardi that can give them kickbacks. They're a corrupt, ignorant, selfish organization, just like all those the Ombudsman of Ontario reveals day after day. Why you believe in this organization so much is beyond me. They are hopeless.
olasup / January 20, 2010 at 02:07 pm
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Rico - who says brewpubs don't make money?? That is an absurd comment to make. And isn't Duggan's is a brewery with a restaurant - can't he sell kegs of his product to other locations like the Granite Brewery on Mt. Pleasent?
keven replying to a comment from Rico / January 20, 2010 at 02:16 pm
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I guess you didn't read the story. As clearly the LCBO is not the ONLY option for brewers :P But I can tell you have selective reading glasses on by your first post in your omitting of the word "practically".

"The LCBO only partners with large foreign owned companies"

Really? I wasn't aware that for example Steam Whistle is a large foreign owned company? :P Same goes with Trius, Angel's Gate and so on and so on.

This mis-information you're spouting is clearly personal and from a business perspective highly skewed as you have a stake in an industry which you feel is not helping your business, which makes your opinion NOT very impartial and I would take it with a grain of salt.

"Why you believe in this organization so much is beyond me."

I guess you hate not paying directly for Ontario roads, schools, hospitals and other important social programs, to which LCBO net profits go. I don't. I'm a citizen first. Beer consumer second.

Your own selfish interest in this is clearly white-washing your words and thoughts, cause I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that you'd be on this SAME blog complaining that your taxes were raised if the LCBO was sold off.

It's hard to take an industry zealot and stakeholder such as yourself seriously as you only have your own selfishness in mind. Your simply a brewer drone. Droning on about b/s with nothing to back it up.
keven replying to a comment from Rico / January 20, 2010 at 02:18 pm
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"So that's it then? Just open a brewery and go through a select number of LCBO stores?

Cleary a brewer and not a businessperson. If that is your sole market strategy for a product with a global potential, find another job.
bittles replying to a comment from Nexus / January 20, 2010 at 02:38 pm
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i was in this week and noticed the same issue with the bartenders pouring head off beer. i asked them about it and they explained that the compressor upstairs had been acting up all week and creating fobby beer. also the fest was just a seasonal and is being replaced by something new
bittles replying to a comment from Nexus / January 20, 2010 at 02:40 pm
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also as someone who works in the industry, nexus how are you going to walk in on a friday at 8pm within the first month of a biz opening and feel that you can judge. what a rookie time to go to a resto.
scottd / January 20, 2010 at 02:55 pm
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How come every time I read a Rick Mcginnis story there are factual errors or broad generalizations. I think were a few more bands than the Rheos and Change of Heart that came from the Toronto scene did well and depending on your vibe it could have been anything from Martha and The Muffins, to Parachute Club, Chalk Circle, Jeff Healey, Cowboy Junkies, Blue Rodeo, 13 Engines,and many more more who were all part of the same diverse scene. There are too many bands to recall really and it is hard to believe that at one time you could see bands in a one night crawl of your own in this order: Rex, The Bev, The Rivoli, The Shoe, The Cameron, The Cabana Room in The Spadina Hotel and maybe the Holiday if you could still stand. Hey I would throw in the Diodes in there too. Ask Mike, he was there.
Nexus replying to a comment from bittles / January 20, 2010 at 03:32 pm
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So, I should allow for x months to pass before trying out a place that seems to get good reviews (i.e. the review here at BlogTo was what prompted me to go in) - perhaps BlogTo shouldn't publish reviews until x months have passed then - because, according to you, that's a "rookie time to go to a resto". Regardless, I was disappointed and I have found out I was not the only one. That said, an "apology" from the hostess was welcomed. I'm just surprised that you'd have a brew pub that had, that one room, only two servers and no bartender on a Friday night. (oh, wait, no, I was wrong there, one of those two servers WAS a bartender; so one server for upwards of 30+ or more people).
Rico replying to a comment from olasup / January 20, 2010 at 03:55 pm
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Um, I say they don't make money. I don't know one that does. I've worked in several. In fact, ran one for over 2 years. No he can't sell beer like any other brewery. Look up the legislation. The restrictions are huge.
Rico replying to a comment from keven / January 20, 2010 at 04:00 pm
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Keven, like I said, I do have my MBA. I have owned breweries in Ontario. Going global means you have to buy a half decent packaging line, supported by a decent brewery of decent size. Minimal investment on any brewery you want to grow, is $5m. That packaging line, a Krones, would put you into the hole half a million. That doesn't cost real estate, staff, training, nor any bottle inventory. And Steam Whistle isn't a large brewery. It's not even a regional. But you don't know what they mean either. And yes, I have backed up everything I said. LCBO has thumped a whole industry only for their own placement. And no, they do nothing with regards to supporting the government. They oversee the taking of tax, which would happen if the industry was open. It's you that's showing how ignorant they are. You are probably a government worker that's whining about their $30/hour box-opening job. You have little education and zero experience. So that's how you've perfected your whining.
unconcious objector / January 20, 2010 at 04:04 pm
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Holy crap Keven what a toady too big government you are. Typical tyrannical socialist, leftard who thinks he knows best and dollars to donuts probably works for them (bias much).

Please link to the actual amount of money the LCBO gives back to it's pet projects such as roads & hospitals etc...And while your at it, how much do the people at the LCBO (we the taxpayer support) line their pockets with gold plated pensions and perks for their crappy and inflated union run service?

We're waiting.
I'm Thirsty / January 20, 2010 at 04:26 pm
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I don't like how Duggan's is serving beer out of 16 oz glasses. A pint should be served at 568.26 ml or the customary 20 oz.

Also: Rico, I'm thinking that you've got a tiny peen.
Rico replying to a comment from I'm Thirsty / January 20, 2010 at 04:29 pm
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More brainiacs. 16 ounces is a customary American pint glass. Ask him why he's using it. I'm thinking you have a tiny brain. Oh right, another government employee.
keven replying to a comment from unconcious objector / January 20, 2010 at 04:41 pm
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You do realize that the LCBO is owned by the province the the net profits go to pay for stuff and things right?

This accusation of me being a gov't employee b/c of my defense of our social net is laughable at best.

"And while your at it, how much do the people at the LCBO (we the taxpayer support) line their pockets with gold plated pensions and perks for their crappy and inflated union run service"

wow, this is so funny I'm almost unable to comment. Yes, the LCBO's net profits soley pay for employees gold bars in their pockets :P Idiot.
Rico replying to a comment from keven / January 20, 2010 at 04:47 pm
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Welcome back, government zero. This is my last post educating you. Net profits. Not much comes in terms of profits. Taxes yes, but profits, no. Second, it's what's called an opportunity cost for the economy of Ontario, where business should be set. Government has no business taking an industry away from retailers, throwing legislation onto domestic manufacturers, giving an alternative SOLE route for distribution to foreign owned businesses through legislation (even domestic ones, for that matter), and then ending up not providing the possible available of diverse product lines, all while being selfish in their payment strategy and inefficient practices. That, best sums up how government behaves, at the best of times. It's obvious you work for government. Only government employees stand up for that joke of a bunch of zeros. You, sir, are the idiot here. I have worked at the #10 store, which is at Summerhill and Yonge when I was a kid. It's a bloody farce. You're just too stupid to realize it.
Paulo / January 20, 2010 at 05:01 pm
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Anyone who has tried to do "business" or be a "partner" with the LCBO knows how incredibly incompetent, unfair, bloated, biased, and backwards the organization is.
keven replying to a comment from Rico / January 20, 2010 at 05:02 pm
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"LCBO has thumped a whole industry only for their own placement."

And private business would be any different how, Rico? Please explain Mr. MBA how the private sector would NOT thump an entire industry for their own placement? What a load...

It's also quite rich that you claim to have backed up anything with factual data.

"You are probably a government worker that's whining about their $30/hour box-opening job. You have little education and zero experience. So that's how you've perfected your whining."

I'm not going to get in a dick measuring contest with you little guy. I'm not a gov't employee. Then again, I'm not a failing business person with a matchbook MBA who can`t seem to grasp basic concepts of capitalism. Save yourself the embarrassment of this "educational challenge".

"More brainiacs. 16 ounces is a customary American pint glass"

Yea... We live in Canada where 1 pint = 19.215 Fluid Ounces (US)... Braniac.
keven replying to a comment from Rico / January 20, 2010 at 05:20 pm
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"Net profits. Not much comes in terms of profits. Taxes yes, but profits, no."

2008-2009

$1.40 billion Dividend the LCBO transferred to the Government of Ontario for 2008-09 (excluding taxes)

48.3 LCBO's profit margin, expressed as a percentage

15.9 LCBO's operational expenses as a percentage of net sales, in 2008-09

yea you're right, not much profit there and it all goes to pay for employees... 1.4 BILLION is a mere drop in the proverbial bucket, genius
Still Thirsty replying to a comment from Rico / January 20, 2010 at 05:23 pm
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Actually Rico, you may find the definition of a pint in Canada quite interesting to you. http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/regu/crc-c-417/latest/crc-c-417.html

Enjoy!
agentsmith replying to a comment from Rico / January 20, 2010 at 05:36 pm
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". . . giving an alternative SOLE route for distribution to foreign owned businesses through legislation (even domestic ones, for that matter) . . ."

For those who don't get this reference, he's talking about The Beer Store... owned 49% by Molson, 49% by Labatt, and 2% by Sleeman, all of which are now majority owned by foreign companies. But I'm sure they never try to screw the smaller breweries. Oh wait, they do... just ask Brick.
olasup replying to a comment from Rico / January 20, 2010 at 09:39 pm
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You have owned breweries and worked in two brewpubs?? Care to mention which ones? And saying brewpubs don't make money....I don't know man, there are many in this province that are going strong, same in BC, NS.
drunknow / January 20, 2010 at 11:05 pm
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Ontario needs to change liquor laws.

Selling off the LCBO will not change anything.

See The Beer Store.
CHardy / January 21, 2010 at 06:03 am
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"Rico" might have a point about the LCBO being inefficient and, although he didn't call it this, paternalistic in its operations. But the idea that it doesn't generate revenue for the province is ridiculous, and has thankfully been debunked already in this thread.

A more interesting criticism, I think, regards its promotion of certain brands, to the detriment of others-- not being carried by the Likbo can kill a brewer, obviously. This is definitely a problem, but is it one privatization can solve? I'm not so sure. Visit your average alcohol retailer in Quebec and see what they carry. You'll be lucky if they have Heineken, let alone whatever hoppy, overrated Ontario microbrew you prefer.

The LCBO needs reform. In my opinion, it needs to abandon the idea that is knows best for Ontarians, whether this be inflating the price of cheap beer or preventing certain brands (say, Delerium Tremens) from reaching the market. But this is an issue that needs to be divorced from a knee-jerk anti-government mentality, or cheap union-bashing. Having worked for the LCBO during my college years, I can tell you that their employees are far from pampered. They might be well-off compared to other retail workers, but that's an argument for raising the standards of private retail, not gutting whatever slim benefits government employees have. I still remember that the assistant manager of the store I worked at, who had been with the Board for at least a decade, was still considred a "casual" employee, and thus did not receive any sort of benefits or job security.

Ryan / January 21, 2010 at 08:44 am
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Go to New York State and see what a decent beer store like Premier Gourmet in Buffalo, Beers of the World in Rochester, or Brilbecks Corner Market in Syracuse is like. Hell, even a grocery store chain like Wegmans manages to stock more Unibroue products than the LCBO or the SAQ. Private business beats the piss out of government at providing consumers with large selection of products to choose from.
Jake / January 21, 2010 at 10:02 am
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We're putting the band back together.
Monte replying to a comment from Rico / January 21, 2010 at 10:21 am
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Brewpubs don't make money? Check out the Granite.
keven / January 21, 2010 at 11:05 am
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Interesting paper on the privatization of the LCBO done by York U. I found these 2 points in the summary and conclusions to be most eye opening. The paper was done in 1994, it would be interesting to see an updated version, but I'd imagine not much has changed, unless a new economy has been created without anyone noticing.

12. A study found that in the United States prices were on average more than 11% higher in 27 "private-license states" compared with 16 "monopoly states", and that the treasuries of the monopoly states collected more per capita revenue from alcohol sale than the private-license states. The Ontario Committee on Taxation also found "private retailing system yields on the average a much lower return to the Public treasury"; the Committee had "no doubt as to the superiority of public over private liquor outlets". These findings are supported by recent price comparisons in Alabama and Iowa, and in Alberta.

26. Privatization in Alberta has resulted in higher product prices, smaller product selection, higher warehousing and distribution costs, and higher social costs. Alberta Premier Ralph Klein has conceded that the ALCB privatization is "counterproductive".

http://www.yorku.ca/nuri/lcbo.htm
sandy / January 21, 2010 at 11:27 am
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Hey Mikey what about Station Twang the rock band you have been playing in for the last 20 years!!
We just did a gig at the Dakota in December & I beleive we hit the stage at Duggans Brew Pub this friday no?
Enjoyed the new Japanese style brew maybe we can pour it at Reposado bar this summer.
sandy replying to a comment from keven / January 21, 2010 at 11:46 am
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i agree the lcbo does a great job on retail & pricing especially for wines are very good.
But licensees are left at a huge disadvantage by the lack of a re-sale price point( we basically pay full retail and have to mark it up and collect an add a 15% tax on the marked up price.
So the ont. government collects a huge windfall for licensees and gives nothing in return to the hospitality industry.
The CRFA puts the average net profit for bar/resto in Toronto at -.03%
In other words for most its a licence to lose money.
Paulo replying to a comment from keven / January 21, 2010 at 01:32 pm
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Keven,

Please read the <a href="http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/consultations/basr/report.html";>Report of the Beverage Alcohol System Review Panel</a> and stop being a parrot.

Thanks.
keven replying to a comment from Paulo / January 21, 2010 at 03:46 pm
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I've never said there wasn't room for improvement, there is ALWAYS room for that.

But privatization is not the answer, Rico.

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