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Ford and Chow own messy first Toronto mayoral debate

Posted by Chris Bateman / March 26, 2014

Toronto mayoral debateOlivia Chow and John Tory came out swinging in the first Toronto mayoral debate of the 2014 campaign, but it was Rob Ford's bombastic steamroller approach that dominated the discussion. The five candidates sparred over the Scarborough subway, downtown relief line, the city's finances, and what makes good leadership with Stintz and Soknacki struggling to make their voices heard.

Surprisingly, none of the candidates took Ford to task over the crack cocaine scandal or any of the other allegations contained in recently released court documents. During questions from the media, Cynthia Mulligan from CityNews asked Ford to directly address the controversies. "People have heard the story - it's rewind, rewind, rewind," he said. "I'm the first one to say I'm not perfect."

Jimmy Kimmel, who was apparently watching the debate, said Ford was like JFK compared to some of the candidates.

"John, you had your chance at the province and you fell flat on your face, you know it and I know it," Ford said to Tory in one of the debate's more heated exchanges. Earlier, Ford said Chow had "sunk the ship" during her time on city council.

The debate was frequently chaotic with the candidates yelling over each other.

Chow said Ford had made Toronto "an international embarrassment" and pledged to "take down the circus tent at City Hall." John Tory said Ford had "run out of gas" after four years in the mayor's office.

A Soknacki team post-debate press release said their candidate brought "a calculator to a knife fight."

The results of rough CityNews poll suggested Olivia Chow had won the debate with 43 per cent of votes cast by the public during the broadcast. Rob Ford was second on 34 per cent and John Tory third with 19. Stintz and Soknacki - 3 and 2 per cent respectively - barely registered.

What did you think of the debate? Were you surprised by Ford's dominance? Should the other candidates use the crack cocaine scandal in the next debate? Who do you think came out on top?

Chris Bateman is a staff writer at blogTO. Follow him on Twitter at @chrisbateman.

Discussion

104 Comments

Lye Detekter / March 26, 2014 at 09:22 pm
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Debates be more fun if everyone took them clothes off. Except for ford cuz he will want 5 minutes to beat down some1. Chow is fierce, you see her tell Tory its not golf? Wow. I burst out laughing. And ford with that nervous laugh, its real creepy. Speaking of creeps, are debaters allowed to walk off like ford did with doug? Youd think doug was coaching rob on every bit. Just too bad nobody called rob a fat f}£=>. Was hoping to see the big lug lose his shhhh and charge at Chow or Soknacki. Overall pretty boring debate. Then.again so is Toronto.
Peter / March 26, 2014 at 09:46 pm
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No way Olvia can win, most people cant stand her voice...
Sandro Lisi / March 26, 2014 at 10:02 pm
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Yes, Ford's fat red face shone through. Really surprised that no one asked Fatso if he could reassure Torontonians that, if re-elected, he would not be jailed during the four years or even worse, dead. While Chow may speak "Engrish", Ford (like his supporters) has a vocabulary of roughly 50 words.
W. K. Lis / March 26, 2014 at 10:02 pm
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First full debate. Unfortunately, there will be many, many, many, many more. Too many.
Mar / March 26, 2014 at 10:08 pm
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The funny thing is ford had bots plowing the polls and chow still came out on top.
lol / March 26, 2014 at 10:28 pm
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chow is so bad lol
DEB / March 26, 2014 at 10:28 pm
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Olivia Chow organized a debate watching party so her numbers of the live polling maybe slighty skewed. Not saying she did anything wrong, just that her party organized at the Firkin to watch and vote

https://www.facebook.com/events/277527299090390/
Mac / March 26, 2014 at 10:33 pm
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Ford new his stuff and spoke with confidence the others were constantly referring to notes, and reading their closing remarks.
Bob / March 26, 2014 at 10:34 pm
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The crack head thug will be in prison before he can turn Toronto into another drug cartel controlled Bogota Colombia anyway. We must protect of our children. Doing any less is a cost too high for any person to bear.
fatherof2 replying to a comment from Mar / March 26, 2014 at 10:36 pm
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Of course he did. Like he had associates flooding radio shows pretending to be supporters. This Ford gang can't do anything on the up and up.
Tori replying to a comment from DEB / March 26, 2014 at 10:36 pm
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Why is Chow inviting people to a bar/pub to drink alcohol and watch the debate? Did she not think to check the max capacity of the bar before she sent the invite to 1.6K people?

Completely irresponsible - she is not a good role model for out children.
john replying to a comment from Mac / March 26, 2014 at 10:38 pm
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ahahahaha ford bleated brain dead debunked slogans like an idiot robot....he got tripped up so many times when he had to answer a real questions I think he was going to have a cocaine stroke !
Zach Swan / March 26, 2014 at 10:39 pm
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Anyone But Chow. Please.
GangsKillChildren replying to a comment from DEB / March 26, 2014 at 10:39 pm
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Because goodness knows her supporters wouldn't simply be voting at home, anyway right?....LOL !.....The dying Frod Nation are getting desperate now hehehehe
Eddie replying to a comment from DEB / March 26, 2014 at 10:44 pm
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Chow can't even speak to us in her opening remarks directly and openly without having to look down and read them? At least Ford speaks confidently and from his mind and heart and not from something that's been written down and edited.


You can watch all the opening remarks and debate clips at CityNews YouTube Channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/citynewstoronto/videos

http://www.youtube.com/user/citynewstoronto/videos

http://www.youtube.com/user/citynewstoronto/videos
DEB replying to a comment from GangsKillChildren / March 26, 2014 at 10:47 pm
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Yes some were voting at home BUT not the same at an organized event when they are reminding you to keep voting.

ALSO most of FordNation was working or on the way home from work at 5-7pm, not freeloading and going to an event at 5pm.
Jamie replying to a comment from Sandro Lisi / March 26, 2014 at 10:58 pm
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These candidates cannot think that Rob won't be in this for the long haul or they'll loose there position if they're thinking he'll be out of the race or jailed and they can capture his votes That is not a winning strategy, they have to fight to win regardless of whether Rob is in our out.


Stintz and Soknacki will most likely drop out before the election, it costs alot of money to run a campaign knowing your gonna loose. Also they can then run for councillor positions. Their 2-3% of voters will then go to Tory.
douglas replying to a comment from DEB / March 26, 2014 at 11:01 pm
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And here is a classic Ford troll, Deb.

Yes, anyone who voted for Chow must have been unemployed because they voted at 5 when anyone who is employed must be working or finishing work at 5.

After all, on one works an early shift. Yes that is sarcasm.

Seems the tells age back. Ford must be putting lackeys on the internet again.
YOLO / March 26, 2014 at 11:02 pm
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Just watching the clips now on the CBC new - STOP READING CHOW!!! you look unprepared!
SECOND DEBATE TOMORROW / March 26, 2014 at 11:08 pm
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ANOTHER DEBATE TOMORROW NIGHT - WITH ALL CANDIDATES EXCEPT CHOW. SHE SAYS SHES NOT ATTENDING FOR PERSONAL REASON.

MISSING THE SECOND DEBATE - NOT GOOD CHOW
Rhonda / March 26, 2014 at 11:13 pm
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Can the candidates stop referring to us as tax payers/cash cows and refer to us as residents and citizens of this city or are we just a tax number to them?
doug replying to a comment from SECOND DEBATE TOMORROW / March 26, 2014 at 11:16 pm
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Thanks for writing in caps - how are things going in the war room Dave from Scarborough?
LIVE FROM THE WAR ROOM replying to a comment from doug / March 26, 2014 at 11:48 pm
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DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION ON THE MAYORAL DEBATE OR ARE YOU JUST OPINION LESS EXCEPT FOR WHEN IT COMES TO TYPING STYLES
Angela / March 27, 2014 at 12:10 am
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All the Candidates were just shown minutes ago on Jimmy Kimmels monologue!! They're all gonna be celebrities, I guess Kimmel now knows who Sagonacki is - need to change Sagonacki's campaign marketing asap
Mr.A / March 27, 2014 at 12:58 am
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Nobody is going to convince Idiot Nation that their low-IQ hero isn't the best ever. They just don't have the smarts to reliably assess his lack of intelligence, his horrible judgment, his dishonesty, and the falsehoods keeps spouting.

If Ford had saved "a billion dollars," why did he try to get a few million to clean up the ice storm? Why doesn't he just pay cash for that subway to nowhere? Where's the billion dollars in the bank? Why are taxes going up if he's so damn good with the money? Why is customer service at its lowest?

Facts won't sway dummies. They look at the fake blue-collar that rich boy Ford has, they listen to his third-grade level english, they see someone who hates the homos, and they see themselves.
douglas replying to a comment from LIVE FROM THE WAR ROOM / March 27, 2014 at 01:58 am
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Yes, you look like you are screaming. What to be more persuasive, write normally.
John Labatt / March 27, 2014 at 02:24 am
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The Crew From Dixon where Rob buy his Crack what do they think of this. They decide who will be the next Mayor yo.
John Labatt replying to a comment from Janet Thompson / March 27, 2014 at 02:34 am
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Hi Janet: Olivia Chow did say Engrish several times doing the debate are you voting for her and calling us intelligent people racist for what reason. She also called Rob Ford unfit for orafice. and an unfit canditrate.
Rob Ford / March 27, 2014 at 07:01 am
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I came, I sweated, I redfaced it! I saved a billion farts, subways, subways, subways! Oops, I farted again! They won't like that in jail!
Rob Ford / March 27, 2014 at 07:10 am
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Wan't wearing underwear on TV last night!
Eddie's Unsteady replying to a comment from Eddie / March 27, 2014 at 07:18 am
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What are you talking about. Let's say Chow was a kindly, if filthy old hobo. But Ford was a suit-and-tie wearing child rapist. You're trying to tell me you would let Ford babysit your kids instead of Chow, just because he presents better?!

If Rob Ford (or Ford Nation) can't make the right call on something this black & white, how are we to ever take their opinions seriously on anything??

Anyone but Ford.
Rob Ford / March 27, 2014 at 07:38 am
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Wanna see video of my crack?
Rob Ford / March 27, 2014 at 07:40 am
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Lucky nobody asked to see my needle marks!
Rob Ford / March 27, 2014 at 07:41 am
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Dixon Bloods sure know how to flood text!
John / March 27, 2014 at 08:17 am
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Chow to Tory "This is not the place for a partisan attack!"
Umm yes it is your in a political debate, there is no better place. Chow can attempt but she can't take it. She doesn't even let others speak to her without talking over them. At least in most cases Rob stands there listens and then responds. Chow just talks over everyone, this first debate was for the candidates to let's us know where they stand and what their position is, they all failed at that EXCEPT for FORD.
Brian / March 27, 2014 at 08:21 am
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Yo EddiesUnsteady let's stay in reality here, we have the debate and enough facts to talk about, we don't need let's just say in an imaginary world Chow was a unicorn and Ford was an abominable snowman.......nonsense.
Brian / March 27, 2014 at 08:25 am
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Let's just say Ford is Batman whos had his utility belt taken away and Chow is C3PO. Are you telling me you'd let Batman babysit your kids because he's more human thanC3PO. ANYONE BUT BATMAN!
I agree with DEB replying to a comment from DEB / March 27, 2014 at 08:29 am
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Good for Chow for firing up her base like that! And well she should.

As was widely-reported last week, she (and the other candidates) know that Team Ford is spending hundreds of thousands of Deco Labels' money on this upcoming free booze/food-fest rally. So Chow inspiring grass-roots get-togethers and places for progressives to mingle and talk is only smart.

I think Solnacki, Chow, and Tory will need to do a TON of this kind of stuff if they have any chance of counter-acting Rob Ford's obscene vote-buying offensive that's underway. It looks like they're pouring tons of the family warchest as fast as they can into small neighbourhoods everywhere trying to buy this election. Not cool, or fair. But we've come to expect this from Rob and Doug--no dirty trick is off the table.
Brian / March 27, 2014 at 08:39 am
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OK Chows a tryceratops and Fords a Brontosaurus who wins?
Steven / March 27, 2014 at 08:39 am
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Ford a clear winner. Watched with an open mind but the others seemed they were just there because they were invited. There are other people that running for mayor and WHY won't the media interview all of them??????????????
Brian, Kept Tryin' replying to a comment from Brian / March 27, 2014 at 08:51 am
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No, if your analogy was to be apt, it would be Ford is Jabba The Hutt (criminal, repulsive, hangs out with scum), and Chow is R2D2 (short, kind of hard to understand, bit of a clever underdog).

And would I want to let Jabba babysit because instead of R2D2 because he's more human? No way. Jabba is rich, self-serving slob like Ford, Artoo is a feisty spirit who looks out for everyone else.

Besides...I'd get home and Ford would have left my kids in the backyard with a bag of fries, two hookers and a starters pistol while he was face-down drunk in the basement; whereas Artoo would have built them an awesome hovercraft out of Lego and teaching them how to pilot it.

No...I'll stick with Chow, thanks.
steven makes a fair, if misguided point replying to a comment from Steven / March 27, 2014 at 08:59 am
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Whether you are voting Ford or anyone else, there should be a level playing field--fair's fair. Some of these candidates will never see the light of day. They just can't compete with the juggernaut that is Big Deco. The Ford Bros. have so much illegal money funnelled into this election, it isn't funny.

But they know if they spend a whack of dough now, they can siphon it all back (and then some) with all the sweetheart contracts for their business buds later. So I guess there is a method to their madness. It just sucks though. We voted him in to get rid of the gravy, and now the gravy he's saved is just going into rigged contracts, of which he gets a taste.

When is it going to end? And why none of the other candidates gone after Ford for getting his hand caught in the cookie jar so often with these contracts, I'll never know.
Adrian / March 27, 2014 at 09:19 am
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I'm not a fan of Ford, but Chow should stop saying that he is a 'poor example to her grand children'. She never mentions that 'grandpa got caught at a rub-n-tug' many years ago.
FromThisPlanet / March 27, 2014 at 09:34 am
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Ford took that debate hands down. He was the only sincere person there who had a clear message and plan. Well done Rob. That Chow is so phoney. I can't believe a member of the NDP, is going to give the finger to Scarborough and take away a subway those residents need and want. The NDP, aren't the NDP no more. If Chow can't wrap her head around what one neighborhood needs, she won't be able to wrap around her head what this entire city needs. I can't believe she'd be dumb enough to build her platform around screwing Scarborough. Had to laugh at Stinz, wanting to sell off a portion of hydro to pay for TTC. Brought back memories of when Miller sold a portion to pay for TCHC. City councillors like Liberal Augimeri and a so called womens rights lawyer by the name of Zahra Dahnani misappropriated that money to the stock market (all of it). Karen's nuts if she thinks people won't remember that one.

Since when were the police concerned with facts, Mr.A? Everyone with half a brain who pays attention to city politics knows Ford had his powers removed by your buddies on the left (you know the ones who give the police anything they ask for, come budget time?), so if you have a gripe about no money in the coffers take it up with them. If Fordites are grade 3, then Chowbites are illiterate.

Don't sweat it Ford Nation. We're the clear winners here. Keep your eye on the prize, and vote.

FORD MORE YEARS!
FromThisPlanet / March 27, 2014 at 09:34 am
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Ford took that debate hands down. He was the only sincere person there who had a clear message and plan. Well done Rob. That Chow is so phoney. I can't believe a member of the NDP, is going to give the finger to Scarborough and take away a subway those residents need and want.
Soren replying to a comment from DEB / March 27, 2014 at 09:35 am
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Deb, you could only vote once in the City poll. Stop making stuff up.
matt mernagh / March 27, 2014 at 09:40 am
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Great arguments. Could have been more entertaining. I think Kimmel is correct.
damn / March 27, 2014 at 09:44 am
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If this is the best we can get for mayor candidates we are screwed.
Kris replying to a comment from Adrian / March 27, 2014 at 09:47 am
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I totally agree with your point on Chow's 'poor example' disingenuous comment against. We can go a few steps further about this on her side, with her and Jack's history of living in taxpayer subsidized 3-bedroom apartment with rent of $800/month while earning $120,000/year. Also, as a former school trustee who has admitted to smoking pot. She should not go down that road unless she has a perfect record. Smacks of desperation!
Grant / March 27, 2014 at 09:54 am
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Prediction: Ford is arrested shortly after warrants executed at residence, Deco and City Hall. Ford absent from next debate.
Just the facts replying to a comment from Kris / March 27, 2014 at 09:56 am
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Please learn what mixed-income co-op housing is and then get back to us. While the co-op itself received a government subsidy, Chow and Layton lived in a 'market rent' unit never intended for low-income people, and they did not receive any subsidy money. Your ill-informed comment smacks of desperation.
Just the facts replying to a comment from Adrian / March 27, 2014 at 10:07 am
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From Wikipedia: "On April 29, 2011, a retired police officer told the Sun News Network and the Toronto Sun newspaper that in 1996, Layton had been found in a massage parlour when police, looking for underage Asian sex workers, raided the establishment. The police informed Layton of the potentially questionable use of the business and recommended that he avoid it in the future. No charges were filed... Layton has said there was no wrongdoing in the matter, saying that he simply "went for a massage at a community clinic" and did not return after the police advised him not to. He also referred to the release of the police report as a smear campaign against him... As for political damage from this story, that same day's update of the Nanos Leadership Index, which assesses public opinion on the Canadian federal leaders' trustworthiness, competence and vision for Canada, Layton rose from 80% to 97%, surpassing Harper at 88% and Ignatieff at 39%. The polling company speculated this improvement is due to strong sympathy by the public for a political candidate they judged as being unfairly maligned. The Toronto police launched an investigation into how official police notes were leaked to Sun Media. Police notebooks are closely guarded and may contain unfounded and unproven allegations."
Irwin Mimico / March 27, 2014 at 10:08 am
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You guys have to admit, Mr. Ford was in control on this one.
Deb replying to a comment from Soren / March 27, 2014 at 10:14 am
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Clear Cache. Delete Cookies. register and Vote again. cheers
iSkyscraper / March 27, 2014 at 10:23 am
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That debate was a total disaster for anyone who is hoping to avoid Vote for Stupid.

Giving Ford a platform like that to lie, yell and come across as the guy in charge was a terrible outcome. I'm not quite sure how to deal with someone who has no interest in the truth. They may have to play the crack/drunk card more often to knock him off script.

Idiocracy has a real chance after that debacle. I just don't know if Tory and Chow have the brass knuckles for this.
Bruce / March 27, 2014 at 10:42 am
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What a mess. I don't like any of them.
mar / March 27, 2014 at 10:43 am
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slow and steady wins the race (soknacki)
Laura / March 27, 2014 at 10:44 am
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I'm still voting for Ford. I like him better than the rest of them.
Irwin Mimico's Mommu / March 27, 2014 at 10:45 am
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How would you know Irwin? I was giving you a bath during the whole debate!
mar / March 27, 2014 at 10:51 am
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I have a feeling that they will have to fight dirtier. no one wants to get dirty but ford lives in filth. I understand them not wanting to stoop to his level but it isnt working
steve / March 27, 2014 at 10:51 am
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What a bunch of pathetic looser. You have to go back a full generation to try and find wrong doing. Even there you can find nothing so you make lie about it, and twist the facts and the truth to suit your needs.
Once your boy is gone you loosers will have no martyr. your platform of hate and intolerance will fizzle away. Yet you will still scream your idiotic rants looking like the morons you are.
susanne / March 27, 2014 at 11:20 am
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Getting quickly tired of what is a good role model and influence for Chow's grandchildren. May i suggest bubble wrap.My god it's going to be a long summer till October's election.


spellcheck / March 27, 2014 at 11:21 am
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@steve-It's spelled losers.
Irwin Mimico's Mommy / March 27, 2014 at 11:39 am
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Irwin - did you tell people you are a graduate of the opportunity class? I'm so proud!
Rob Ford / March 27, 2014 at 11:40 am
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Bombastic Bullies look good on TV to non-thinkers
kem / March 27, 2014 at 12:01 pm
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I don't understand how Rob ford still has supporters. Speaking as a young woman, after he made the disgusting comments about "having more than enough to eat at home'' and blatantly disrespecting all women with such language on a public level, I will not be voting for him. Ever.

Moreover, though i appreciate torontonians' postivie attitude towards Ford and them giving him a second chance, I don't think anything about Rob has changed. In fact, he lives for the media circus he has created. Instead of trying to win back the trust of voters, by reforming himself, he is starves for lime light. Therefore, can we stop painting all his traits positively?

All in all, I don't see the appeal he has since behaves like a vulgar thug. Is that who we want representing the citizens of Toronto? I certainly don't.
Yumi replying to a comment from Rob Ford / March 27, 2014 at 12:05 pm
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Why think when you can watch on the idiot box? We're clearly being played by all sides even the media.

The response for why the Debates are at the horrible 5-7pm time when most can't watch from CityTV is because of US TV syndication? Why are we catering our debate times for the USA? Do we really need that much attention and viewership that we need the debates syndicated across the USA?
kem's a gem! / March 27, 2014 at 12:22 pm
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Does anyone with a brain in their head (or any hard-earned tax dollars still left in their wallet) want a drug-dealing, cokehead, wife-beating, drunken pathological liar, Silver Spoon trustfund brat to represent you even ONE more day?

The man --as a politician, as a public figure, as a husband, as a father, or just as a human being-- is just so GROSS.
eff all THAT noise / March 27, 2014 at 12:58 pm
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look, i just want someone who isn't going to waste all our money, and ford has proven himself to be worse than miller ever was. and that mess he made of the subways and lrt??? to think i shook his hand once. id sooner punch him in the face now for wasting our money and our time and making us look stupid to the whole world while that a-hole kimmel gets richer.

just give me someone who is going to do what they say they are going to do. that's why i voted for bozo in the first place. im an adult, things cost money, infrastructure doesn't grow on trees. so i can live with a tax increase. but justify it. with hard numbers. not this "i saved a billion dollar" hooey. it sounds like someone in grade school would say, it's embarrassing.

i like this solnacki guy, he's telling like it is. but he hasn't a chance in hell. so i gotta hold my nose and hope either chow or tory can thread the needle? slim pickins.
CW / March 27, 2014 at 01:05 pm
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Ford now has a proven track record of increasing property taxes.

He can save as many billions as he wants, but you will be paying more in taxes.
Domie replying to a comment from CW / March 27, 2014 at 01:43 pm
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Spending and saving at the same time works for me, same as my house old budget. I spend on what I have to, and put a little away. Next!
Irwin Mimico / March 27, 2014 at 02:31 pm
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Where was Sarah Thompson and her horse and carriage? Karen stintz has the worlds fakest smile, and David soknacki is just wasting his own time. Like it or not ford nation will get Mr. Ford re elected. Ford more years!
Rob Ford / March 27, 2014 at 06:22 pm
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CORRUPTION!CORRUPTION!CORRUPTION!CORRUPTION! Vote Corrupt, Vote Stupid! Vote Ford! Be Stupid! Vote for a Stupid!
Doug Ford / March 27, 2014 at 06:24 pm
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Keep Rob Off The Streets And Out Of My Hair At DECO! RE-ELECT USELESS TWAT MAYOR!
DEB / March 27, 2014 at 08:39 pm
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Do none of you care to hold a discussion on what's happening in this city? Or are you just to stupid to understand. The comments on here are idiodic, do you just love resorting to bevis and butthead every chance you get? This city is truly screwed and does not deserve any mayor to run this preschool of ass hats.
DEB / March 27, 2014 at 10:13 pm
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Rob Ford saved the city a billion dollars. Toronto's CFO has confirmed this again today



http://www.insidetoronto.com/news-story/4435828-toronto-cfo-s-briefing-note-supports-mayor-ford-s-claims-to-have-saved-taxpayers-1-billion-over-ter/



James / March 27, 2014 at 10:34 pm
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Kathleen Wynne political scandals again. Personal scandals for Ford and political scandals with Wynne and the Liberals. While they both are running for different jobs, this is starting to make Fords personal scandals mean nothing, I'd personally not want to have all the political scandals of Wynne running this province. Wynne is full of scandals this province needs to bring down the liberal circus tent over this city.
Ian / March 27, 2014 at 10:39 pm
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These yahoo cilty counciollors are getting 100K+ and Rob Ford gets $177,000 a year no wonder were getting this garbage in offer,if these people were actually skilled and educated they'd go to the private sector and make a lot more. You want some over paid under skilled councilor making decisions about the island airport and the city budget. We need to attract better skilled talent in these positions...
Walt / March 27, 2014 at 11:10 pm
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No matter who gets in were fucked. These power hungry assholes have put thier whole careers on the line for this and will flip and flop and flip and flop telling you what they think you want to hear. Have none of you realized the high school popularity contest that this is? So everyone's resigned flip flopping but yet throwing questions at the other candidates trying to define their answer.

e.g.- Do you support raising taxes to support the growth of transit? Yes or no? Don't talk I said Yes or no! You discussed this, but didn't answer the question I wanted Yes or no!!!!!
Alex replying to a comment from Domie / March 27, 2014 at 11:31 pm
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Bingo! If not for money and the idea of bartering, well it gets a little existential of course but hey... This "tax and spend" line is silly - money is meant to be spent! And saved too. So you can do both, but not without the revenue aka taxes or income. Can't have all the pretty things we need and want without it.
Hey Deb! / March 28, 2014 at 08:54 am
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Rob & Doug= Beavis & Butthead
Drew Peacock / March 28, 2014 at 11:09 am
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Ford is Awesome!! He will always win!

Toronto loves Ford


Montgomery triangle is awesome!
Drew Peacock II / March 28, 2014 at 02:02 pm
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Ford is an awesome liar! He will always lose! Toronto loves ABF!! Four More years in jail! Drugs OUT! Drunkeness in public OUT! Lying OUT!
No, these are the facts / March 28, 2014 at 02:40 pm
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Tory is just in this race to take votes away from Ford. He's knows he doesn't stand a chance. He had a wicked hissy fit a
No, these are the facts / March 28, 2014 at 02:48 pm
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Tory is just in this race to take votes away from Ford. He's knows he doesn't stand a chance. He had a wicked hissy fit at last nights debate trying to get the crowd going. Except for a few hecklers, who weren't students (they must be filling in for Chow who had better things to do) at all, he still came out on top. Is there no end to the stupidity on the left? Rob's not the one coming across as the bully, YOU ARE!

680News.com reports: "OPP probing former Liberal chief of staff over deleted emails" But don't worry guys, your secrets are safe with the police. I understand 12 hard-drives (or is it 20?) got erased, and there's a possibility one of them is Wynnes. So who are the other 11? Inquiring minds want to know. Let me predict what's going to happen. They'll arrest the computer technician (who likely thinks of himself as an engineer), who obviously wasn't there to erase emails in relation to the cancelled gas plants, but just felt a tad impish and wanted to play because he'd never been to Queens Park before, and he'll receive a suspended sentence (from one of many corrupt liberal judges here in the province of Ontario) and as long as he promises not to erase anymore hard-drives he won't have a criminal record. Lets see how close I come. I wonder if Wynne will step down the way Dalton McGuinty did to avoid prosecution?

The provincial NDP leader needs to shut the hell up. You know your numbers are weak; and your party will be supporting the liberal budget! Maybe if Andrea had shown some initiative and backbone, things would've been different. Have a little faith Andrea.

Chow and Layton were in a subsidized (RGI) unit. Why do you think Chow avoids the subject altogether? Maybe while your heckling Ford, you could ask Chow some tough questions too. Or do you only care to point out Fords' shortcomings which have hurt no one but himself?

The cop who caught Jack knew what Jack was doing there. I believe Olivia when she said she supports her husband, but she's definitely lying when she said she believed her husbands explanation of the event. You were a good wife Olivia. I'll give you that, but it doesn't qualify you for Mayor. There are ugly things happening under the noses of our Toronto residents. We don't need someone whose going to continue to turn a blind eye to the obvious. Things need to change here.

Rich or poor, we were all taught to save money for a rainy day, and when business is slow, business operators take a different tack (re-invent themselves) and spend less, while still turning a profit, providing things people need and want. This city needs to do the same thing. The left politicians take way too many risks with our money. They take us for granted. What they did with gas plants, and playing the stockmarket (losing all that money) was insane! If we took the money wasted from the province and added it to the money wasted by City Hall, how much in total do you think that would be? I think it's ironic we're building subway extentions to areas outside the city to accomodate people who don't pay city taxes, while putting a negative spin on a subway long ago needed by people who do pay taxes here, in Scarborough. The people at City Hall don't have their priorities straight. They do the same thing year after year, and man isn't this city getting boring? We can't just continue to make money off of realestate. Rob will change that.

I'm asking for four years for Rob to work his magic, and to replace obsolete councillors who will support Robs' new ideas for our city. They can't possibly do a worse job then what the left has been doing. I think Rob had some good ideas, and he at least knows how to run a large business. If you don't like what he does for you, you can bring back the old clunkers and go back to letting them waste your money. You know, maybe if they hadn't wasted so much money over the years, people wouldn't worry so much about union wages. We have to fix this. We need (a majority) conservative and progressive conservatives to step up in this city. Please vote for change. Vote for Rob Ford.
QED replying to a comment from No, these are the facts / March 28, 2014 at 05:07 pm
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In order:

1) No, the hecklers were students. Who had three more years of university education than Ford.

2) Provincial politics, not relevant.

3) Provincial politics, not relevant.

4) No, Chow and Layton paid market rate in a co-op. You don't seem to understand basic real estate terminology.

5) So, to be clear, Olivia's loyalty to Jack makes her the bad person doing unsavory things and not, say, the mayor who pees in parks and frequents crack dens?

6) Ford is a populist who spends like a drunken sailor when it suits him (bike lanes, anything near Deco, wrongful terminations, transit contract terminations, subways in the wrong place, trying to bury an LRT, subsidizing casinos and NFL stadia if he could...) So any points about the appeal of fiscal conservatism do not apply to Ford. He had his chance.

7) I don't think anyone is interested in any additional period of time of Rob Ford "working his magic". Change is indeed needed, but you are barking up the wrong tree. I'm assuming you are either irrational or not very bright?
SANCHEZ replying to a comment from QED / March 29, 2014 at 11:47 am
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You can't possibly be so stupid. Scandals are scandals. Self-interest is self-interest retard.
Wacky Sanchez / March 29, 2014 at 11:55 am
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Does anybody know what he's talking about? Maybe he's Kimmel's security guard Guillermo.
No, these are the facts / March 29, 2014 at 12:34 pm
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You just keep doing what you're doing QED. I just love how you represent the left in your own special way. I would never dream of wooing you over to Rob Fords side. Have you heard the good news? Rob Fords' approval rating spiked again. I knew those numbers on CityTV were bogus. One only has to see Rob Fords' name along with bike lanes and spending to know that your entire post is a pack of lies. Keep up the good work.
Sandra Pavan replying to a comment from No, these are the facts / March 29, 2014 at 02:43 pm
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Who cares if Rob Ford smokes crack. But there's something I don't like about Olivia Chow smoking weed...she should set a better example for kids!
No, these are the facts / March 29, 2014 at 03:42 pm
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Olivia Chow has the most deleted Facebook posts, according to a Toronto Star article. The article brought out the big gun words like "mysoginist", "abusive" and "racist" to describe the deleted posts. If that's true, Chow and Facebook have a responsibility to inform the police as so many people are bullied on line, paticularly teenagers and children. Doing nothing sets a bad example for us all. It tells the abusers, go ahead. Personally, I think she just has a hard time having her ideas challenged, and wants her Facebook page to reflect only positive feedback from Toronto residents. What do you think?

Shooting your mouthes off about Ford, crack and his weight just isn't getting you what you want. Generally speaking, you leftees should try something completely new, and take a different tack.

Have you noticed leftees are trying to get their politicians elected solely on the basis, Ford smoked crack last year? You'd think they'd be highlighting their past accomplishments, and singing the praises of their platforms and how that will work for the City of Toronto. Nope. They're so boring. SSDD.
Pablo Honey / March 29, 2014 at 03:49 pm
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Olivia Chow spouts on about how Mayor Ford isn't a good role model for her grandkids. Does she let her grandkids know what Papa Jack was up to at the massage parlours? Ford is a moron but he scares me less then Chow. She's a true Socialist and would do far more harm that Rob Ford has ever done in the past 4 years. Truly i think all the major candidates are losers, but here is hoping that John Tory can put it together and win as he's the best of the worst in my opinion.
Pablo Honey / March 29, 2014 at 04:08 pm
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Why does blogTO censor comments that don't support their view on socialism?? we don't live in north Korea!
Rob Ford / March 29, 2014 at 05:39 pm
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Wanna see my crack.................................................
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...video?
Rob Ford / March 29, 2014 at 05:44 pm
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My Plan For Toronto: To not be convicted until after the election, reign over the city while out on bail and then - THEN - do the first Kimmel interview from a jail cell! And you greenhorn Ford Nationers would STILL vote for me because you think I saved you money! Tee-hee! SorrySorrySorry! for larfing but it is pretty funny!
Chowbite / March 29, 2014 at 07:49 pm
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CHOW down on this:
"Glen Murray awarded TTCriders' sardine honour" I don't know what this is, but it can't be good.
Fordbite / March 29, 2014 at 10:44 pm
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Fortz this: Doug Ford was awarded "Drug Dealer of the Year" 5 years in a row. I don't know what that means, but it can't be good.
OR / March 29, 2014 at 11:53 pm
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Chow missed the second debate, it was held at Ryerson. Not good! Shame
TheRealness / March 29, 2014 at 11:54 pm
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Olivia Chow smoked pot 'a little bit' as school-board trustee

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/olivia-chow-smoked-pot-a-little-bit-as-school-board-trustee-1.2572962
The RealnessII / March 30, 2014 at 03:52 pm
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Rob Ford used hard drugs A LOT, is an ALCOHOLIC, DRIVES DRUNK, DOES DRUG DEALS, ORDERS HITS, SUPPORTS GANGS, BEATS HIS WIFE and is a member of a CRIMINAL FAMILY ORGANIZATION! Oh yeah...he's a lying incompetent mayot WHO IS IN LOVE WITH IRWIN MIMICO!
hahaha.... replying to a comment from No, these are the facts / April 2, 2014 at 08:49 am
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...you still use terms like "leftees".

finish your high school equivalency and then we'll talk
Ryan / April 8, 2014 at 02:02 am
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What is more embarrassing Rob Ford ? Or that according to latest Forum research poll Chow is only 1% ahead ? OC 33% RF 32% - She had 43 % a month ago and Ford has had more scandals since then . I honestly can't support someone who has to resort to requesting absentee voting in Hong Kong in order to win - our mayor smoked crack - he should be in last place - but Tory doesn't have a platform and chows is - protest vote ford out - and give CUPE full control of garbage and the city again and a terrible transit plan - Ford is tied with chow because it's either crack mayor with good policy for subways - bustin city unions and calling out idiots on council or it's the pretend nice anti ford who would not have a chance if he wasn't in the news or in the race .
It's pathetic - The US is laughing more that Ford should be out of race because of such strong chalengers BAMP wrong what a joke
ALPHAFitter / April 16, 2014 at 07:35 pm
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How terrible would it be if Toronto did not follow suit with other world class transit systems? That's where we are headed when the candidates talk about anything like LRTs or 10% more of anytype of surface vehicles. We need subways and it doesn't matter how they are paid for its a matter of traffic and pollution. Ford may be the only one that understands that.
walking a dog / June 3, 2014 at 04:24 pm
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