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Do people actually like Astral's street furniture program?

Posted by Chris Bateman / March 12, 2013

toronto astral bus shelterDissenting voices on Astral Media's street furniture agreement with the city are a "vocal minority," says Ron Hutchinson, Astral's senior vice president in charge of the program.

The controversial bus shelters, garbage cans, newspaper boxes, and ad pillars have drawn the ire of Torontonians in the past for perceived ad creep and intrusion on public space. Last summer several of the company's ad holders were hacked by a group of activists amongst other interventions we've reported on in the past.

"I guess you could characterize that group as a vocal minority, and an effectively organized minority," Hutchinson says. "Just remember the program is 26,000 pieces of furniture on the streets of Toronto over a 20 year period, not less than 100 info pillars, that were, by the way, part of the RFP [Request For Proposal by the city] - not something we invented."

"I would contend maybe don't understand the program - it's a fantastic deal for the city because they generate $900 million ... there's 46% less advertising on the streets of Toronto now."

The Coordinated Street Furniture Program turns five years old this month. In a survey commissioned by Astral Out-of-Home, the division responsible for the design, installation, and maintenance of the products, Leger Marketing found 96% of Torontonians believe the items contribute to the functionality of the streets.

"I think what it says is the majority of people see benefit in the program, and like it," Hutchinson says.

Is that undoubtedly the case? The belief that the items "contribute to the functionality of the streets" doesn't necessarily infer that one sees the program as beneficial. And therein lies the (potential) problem with the promotion of this survey. What's missing is a list of the questions that gave the results. We can't really know whether or not those surveyed like Astral's furniture, just that they see the benefits of having a place to stand while waiting for transit and a place beside the sidewalk to put trash. Hardly a glowing endorsement.

toronto astral street furnitureThe survey also purports to show strong support for the new design of garbage cans, benches, and bus and streetcar shelters among the 539 people asked. The previous models - which were particularly battered and joyless - are shown above. It's probably not hard, then, to convince people the new, shiny designs are better.

The number of info pillars planned for the city is also being scaled back from 120 to 85 over negative feedback and new, tighter installation guidelines. Fixes for defective garbage cans with broken foot pedals and jammed opening mechanisms are also appearing in high-traffic areas of the city, Hutchinson says. The cost of that retrofit, footed entirely by Astral, is $350,000.

Astral also recently decided to strictly limit the number of new open-sided waiting areas due to complaints over lack of protection from the weather.toronto garbage canDelays keeping up with the installation schedule agreed between Astral and the city, another source of friction for observers of the program, are reportedly tied to design tweaks and staff shortages at city hall. A few months ago the company reported it was 87% on track with its revised roll-out plans.

"[Deployment] was interrupted by the garbage strike and disputes over a couple of things," Hutchinson admits. "Everything we do needs to be surveyed, needs a permit, needs a process so the redeployment of managers slowed down that process. I think the city is satisfied the reasons for the slight delay are design related. I don't think they're upset about it."

How do you feel about the quality of street furniture in Toronto? Are you surprised at the reported high level of support among those surveyed?

Chris Bateman is a staff writer at blogTO. Follow him on Twitter at @chrisbateman.

Image: "The Androids are Among Us" by AshtonPal and "Return of the Garbage Can" by Neil Ta and City of Toronto/blogTO Flickr pool.

Discussion

39 Comments

Wilson / March 12, 2013 at 01:51 pm
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Seems the folks at Astral are tone deaf to public complaints and even worse blind to how poorly designed some of the furniture is, especially the garbage cans. The foot pedals are typically broken and the garbage bins are too small for high traffic areas. The info pillars are obstructive and the information provided is pointless. As for the bus shelters, I've encountered too many that offer no shelter to the elements. While Astral media may claim that$900 million over 20 years is a good deal for the city, I'd like to know what Astral media is making on the deal.
Alexander / March 12, 2013 at 02:06 pm
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Did Astral pay for the survey? Enough said.

I worked in the survey business and you can bet that the questions were very very carefully selected (as well as the available answers) to allow for the result Astral wanted. Lord, I remember one survey where a golf course wanted carts and the results came back 52% against. Oops, amazing how 6% (consisting of all "no carts" responses) managed to disappear into the shredder and suddenly 52-48 against became 52-48 before.

Survey people know whose paying the bills and they always get the answer that brings back repeat business.
Phil / March 12, 2013 at 02:08 pm
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Count me as one of the 96%. I realize the street furniture could be better, but it is I think nearly infinitely better than what came before.

There was an early iteration of the info pillars. As I recall there was a grand total of one or two of them. The maps didn't show where you are. They didn't dispense the promised brochures, etc. The new ones serve two purposes: they tell you where you are if you don't know, and the provide space for ads. If you don't need to know where you are, you are sure to be irritated by the advertising. On the other hand, if you need to know where you are, they do the job. And they would certainly not exist without the advertising.

Trashcans in very busy areas like Chinatown are often broken and overflowing. But this was the case before. And elsewhere they do the job just fine whatever you think of the design. I agree they could be more functional and attractive. But they could be, and in most cases were, a hell of a lot worse.
AV / March 12, 2013 at 02:14 pm
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From 2 years ago... Astral doesn't care, nothing changed, they continue to profit from the deal:

http://www.torontolife.com/daily/informer/cityscape/2011/04/21/astral-media-finally-admits-that-its-sidewalk-rubbish-bins-are-garbage/

Added info on the deal:

http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2012/pw/bgrd/backgroundfile-45963.pdf
ohlenna / March 12, 2013 at 02:18 pm
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They asked a whole 539 people? For a city this size that is a poor representation. The "shelters" - and I use that term with trepidation here - are unbelievably ill-conceived. You can easily tell that they were designed by someone who does not live or has ever lived in a climate with more than one season. A city with winter conditions cannot have shelters that do not have walls that go to the floor. By leaving the space at the bottom of the glass, it's actually worse being in the shelter on a wintery stormy day then being out of it as it beautifully guides the wind and snow right up your pant leg or skirt freezing you beyond belief. Whatever the city is getting out of this ill-conceived deal with Astra, it's doing so on the frozen backs of its citizens - as it seems to do with all it money-making schemes.
100% Hate / March 12, 2013 at 02:35 pm
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fuck no
McRib / March 12, 2013 at 02:43 pm
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the plastic, often broken, garbage cans are a disgrace.
Alex replying to a comment from ohlenna / March 12, 2013 at 02:48 pm
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I don't like Astral either, but this seems to be a trend everywhere with transit shelters. In York region the shelters are even worse, since the glass doesn't go up to the ceiling, or the sides fully, either. I'm not sure who decided that transit shelters shouldn't provide any actual shelter anymore, but it's spread all over and needs to be stopped. It's idiotic design for something that should be simple and obvious, and it's one of the easier things for a transit organization to fix if they want to make their riders a little more comfortable and less irritable.
Joseph / March 12, 2013 at 02:52 pm
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Ok, so correct me if Im wrong, but Astral decides to put up $900M over 20 years for street furniture. Fantastic. Less taxpayer money spent on this, in exchange for what seems to be pretty subtle promotion of Astral (ie logos are not in your face all over the place).

I think the real issue here is that the city should've involved itself a lot more in the design process. Astral are not designers of street furniture. They are simply trying to act in good faith to provide this benefit. HOWEVER, the city should understand the subtleties of how design of a garbage can relates to high vs. low traffic. Why was that knowledge never input into the whole process.

Its easy to blame Astral here, but really is it their fault that they got no guidance from the city, who after all are the ones who should've been able to predict that this would happen if they didnt step in??
AV / March 12, 2013 at 02:59 pm
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The reason the glass is now higher off the ground is because homeless people would set up camp in the old shelters and they would then go un-used by the general public. Its kinda hard to comfortably wait for a streetcar in a shelter when you're worried about interrupting someone's morning poop.
realzc / March 12, 2013 at 03:08 pm
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I just think the designs are plan ugly. it is a disgrace to our streetscape.
cathy replying to a comment from Alex / March 12, 2013 at 03:20 pm
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I can see the logic behind leaving a gap at the bottom. It would definitely help with drainage in rainy weather. I've seen plenty of shelters with huge puddles in them because the water has nowhere to go.

The holes in the garbage cans are way too small, though.
CM / March 12, 2013 at 03:21 pm
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The damn garbage cans are the most poorly designed pieces of crap!!!!!! The peddle is always broken and sorry but how is someone in a wheelchair supposed to throw something out? How can you design something to be out on a city street and it's not accessible? Plus aesthetically everything Astral produces is hideous. Oversized, clunky, styling from like 2001. Go to a city like New York or London - they don't have all this gigantic s*** sitting all over the streets. Why can't a garbage can just be a garbage can? There should not be moving parts.
mike replying to a comment from Alex / March 12, 2013 at 03:22 pm
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Astral designs for York Region and other regions in Ont. Often they will remove benches and replace them with only advertisement covered garbages up there. the answer to the question is NO, better garbage cans and bus "shelters" could be designed and built by fourth graders.
Alex replying to a comment from cathy / March 12, 2013 at 03:23 pm
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I understand that, but I think there are better ways to design for it. E.g. Leave smaller holes for drainage. Or even just better risk assessment: How often does it rain enough to cause that, versus how often is it cold outside? I feel like if transit users had to choose between protection from the wind vs. puddles on heavy rain days they would opt for wind protection, simply because it happens much more often. The whole design just reeks of incompetence and not much thought. Also, there is no reason aside from cheaping out on measuring the glass to leave holes at the side and top of the shelter.
CM / March 12, 2013 at 03:26 pm
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Also - does the city not send these RFP's out to anyone else? Why does Astral always get this gig? Seems like the city's too lazy to get anyone else bidding. Even if they got proper designers to come up with the designs for the pieces... have a competition. Then a company like Astral can be in charge of seeing through manufacture.
Wilson replying to a comment from Phil / March 12, 2013 at 03:30 pm
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Let's not fall into the simply comparison of street furniture in the past to what Astral is providing today. We should be comparing Astral against two more objective and relevant criteria, one being simple functionality and aesthetics (i.e. does it work and does it look good, and the other being what other big urban cities are doing. Framing the issue as a comparison between past and present only serves to validate Astral's lame efforts.
v79 / March 12, 2013 at 03:31 pm
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Aesthetically the pieces are all fairly well designed and a massive improvement, save for the fugly green they chose to top the garbage bins, the only problem with them is functionality, with the garbage cans being the culprit once again. The openings are too small (I suppose this was meant to discourage dumping of personal/business trash), the pedals take a lot of effort to depress, and barely open the slots, which in turn has lead to people pushing on them and breaking them (not to mention it's unsanitary, as people's hands make contact with the covers while trying to squeeze in their trash). In the end it's all lead to more surrounding rubbish than there typically was before. One would think they would have put a lot more effort into the testing stage of the bin's mechanics before committing to final production. Over-all I still think the new "furniture" is a plus for the city, but Astral shouldn't be some dismissive of the complaints. The crappy quality looks bad on them.
Daniel / March 12, 2013 at 04:00 pm
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The city should sue Astral for putting in garbage cans that are non-accessible to people in wheelchairs and usually just plain broken. Whoever at Astral who came up with that design should be fired.
Thanks Mayor Blowbowl / March 12, 2013 at 04:10 pm
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Mayor Ford is 100% to blame for this gravybowl fiasco, why won't he just come clean and admit he's lining the pocket of his buddies and figure a way to make this situation FAIR for taxpayers?? We here in Etobicoke elected him because he was going to CHANGE things, not make them WORSE.
cathy replying to a comment from Alex / March 12, 2013 at 04:11 pm
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Hmm. Okay, I'm not saying that I like the huge gaps myself, but when I visit family in Sault Ste Marie I can see the benefit. They have shelters that go all the way and the insides get filthy. In the winter the snow drifts in, then freezes, then melts. There's piles of dirt and crud in the corners, they smell worse and there are cigarette butts everywhere. And the Soo is a lot cleaner than Toronto is. (Also less likely to have people sleeping in the shelters as someone mentioned above.)

I agree, they could have done a better job at designing the shelters but they *could* be a lot worse. (I also happen to be one of the people who think the info pillars are useless, btw, and more about advertising than information.)
Stella / March 12, 2013 at 04:29 pm
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Looks like this comment string could be a useful resource for stakeholder engagement. How about an open comment period, Astral?

At any rate, I have several issues with their street furniture.

1. Garbage bins: Anyone who has an issue with their legs will have trouble with this set-up. Having to step on a bar to open the receptacle isn't accessible. The older garbage bins were more durable. It's a garbage can for crying out loud. Let's not put lipstick on a pig here.

2. Ad Pillars: I'm a pedestrian, transit rider, and driver in Toronto. These signs are such a danger in terms of visibility. It's hard to see people standing behind them and around corners when you're trying to make a turn. I've had streetcars and buses pass me because they can't see me behind the signs.

From an aesthetic perspective, I'm so sick of being advertised at on the street by the same shitty ads that seem to be in all the Astal locations. Give me a community events board or some discount ad space for charities with small budgets. Give me some social good if you're going to dominate my visual space.

3. Bus/Streetcar shelters: Can we really call these "shelters"? To be a shelter would offer some kind of relief from the elements. The new shelters effectively prevent these small infrastructure items from being used by people who find themselves without a regular bed to sleep in. Bench bars prevent anyone from laying down, and gaps between the glass/sides and the ground means that the interiors are wet, windy, and cold. Why not offer spaces that show a bit of humanity?

The ad spaces on these shelters are such a pain. The ads block your view of oncoming traffic (vehicular, bike, and pedestrian). When you drive down Toronto's streets, the Astral booths are more predominant than the store fronts and add very little architectural value.

I see I'm not alone here.
Mark / March 12, 2013 at 04:54 pm
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It's amazing how many people think you have to step on the pedal to open the flaps on those garbage cans. The pic in the post is a bit blurry, but it says (as it says on all the bins), "push pedal or flaps to open."

But they do suck and aren't durable enough. Plus, the 'separate' openings for garbage and recycling are a lie. Watch a worker empty one and witness it all just being tossed into one big pile in a truck.
DavidC / March 12, 2013 at 05:16 pm
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The transit shelters (the ones with walls) are really quite good and look FAR better than their predecessors. I do wish they would not obscure the non-advert windows with supposedly see-through adverts though. OK, they are not good shelters for the homeless but that's the point.

In my opinion, the garbage bins look MUCH better than most of their predecessors and they appear to have just about solved the broken foot pedals issue.

The information pillars are DREADFUL - take up far too much space and have VERY little "information".

The newspaper boxes seem like a better solution but we need more of them so they can be better evaluated.

The poster boards seem like a waste of time.
jj / March 12, 2013 at 05:28 pm
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The pieces of shit HAVE NO EAVESTROUGHS so the RAIN POURS DOWN ON YOU which is so AWESOME
Jim / March 12, 2013 at 06:45 pm
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"Astral also recently decided to strictly limit the number of new open-sided waiting areas due to complaints over lack of protection from the weather."

Good to hear, but will they replace the "shelter" I use every morning with one that has walls?

I have little problem with the proper shelters, but these one-walled things are less than useless; they're insulting.
fubar / March 12, 2013 at 07:18 pm
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Helllllllll no.

Complete garbage. Utterly lacking in almost any redeeming quality.

Frankly, the city is to blame too for allowing this crap to be put on our streets.
Bilbo / March 12, 2013 at 08:25 pm
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The new rubbish bins are rubbish. By the way, the image above shows the inferior cans from 2 generations ago, not the improved generation of stainless steel ones that preceded the current broken pedal design.

And those so-called "info pillars" ruin sidewalks, especially when the ad design is poor. Recent offending examples include the pillar blocking the middle of the sidewalk on Yorkville Ave and the pillar blocking the sidewalk on the Danforth near Carrot Common.
Bubba / March 12, 2013 at 10:59 pm
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someone should take a hammer to their so called "street furniture" especially those side walk billboards, every time i walk by one i want to put my boot right through it! Those glass bus shelters are death traps.
tommy / March 13, 2013 at 12:35 am
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Take a look at the 'existing situation' bus shelter. The walls go to the floor, and the entrance is human proportioned. All walls are see-thru and all structural pieces are easily-fixed aluminum. I miss these shelters. On a cold windy winter day, they were always a respite from the weather, and would provide shade on a summer day. The new shelters are terrible and an embarrassment to our city. Maybe they're only used for a couple of minutes downtown, but the rest of the GTA sometimes has to wait 20 minutes in these crap glass houses.
Tami / March 13, 2013 at 01:09 pm
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I like the product...the main issue is that people in the city choose to vandalize it with graphitti and destroy the garbages, ive seen it myself - we should care more about our city!
Jer / March 13, 2013 at 02:00 pm
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I don't see the point of having a "garbage" and a "recycling" section on the garbage bins. People do not respect it at all. What exactly happens with those contaminated "recycling" bins at the end of the day? Do they bring it to a facility and sort it out or does it just end up in the trash? I don't understand why people can't take too seconds to put recycling in recycling and garbage in the garbage.
realityCheck / March 13, 2013 at 06:03 pm
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Regardless of what this "survey" says, Toronto's new street furniture leaves a lot to be desired, especially the garbage cans. Of course the new street furniture contributes to the "functionality" of the city. The issue, however, is whether they are more or less functional/appealling than what they replaced. Yes, the new street furniture is better than nothing... but in most cases, it is LESS functional/appealling than what was there before.
vps / March 14, 2013 at 11:16 am
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This post is great. I realy like it!
morp / March 14, 2013 at 08:48 pm
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http://www.faceadblog.com/en/jeremykramerinterview/

THIS genius is the guy who invented the furniture. He introduced the filth flaps that you have to touch so that you woudn't have to touch it, because of SARS. because you know, a simple can that you put garbage in was too small town for us.

I am seriously also wondering whether his glasses are prescription or not, he's obviously into unnecessary ad-ons :)
morp / March 14, 2013 at 08:50 pm
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*Jeremy Kramer is the genius famous designer of plastic crap that will soon be in a landfill, and that cost $5000 EACH. bet he never gets laid.
Suicide_Boi / March 15, 2013 at 01:29 am
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There is a desperate need for more suicide booths!
Aaron / March 16, 2013 at 10:03 am
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The Astral crap is ugly, cheap-looking and in a state of general disrepair. In other words, it blends seamlessly with the rest of the public realm in Toronto.
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