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What do you think of the TTC's 5 cent fare hike?

Posted by Staff / November 21, 2012

TTC fare hikeEarlier this afternoon the TTC made official what has long been expected - fares are going up. Tokens will now cost $2.65 and a monthly Metropass will now ring in at $128.50. Those paying out of pocket will be happy to now that cash fares will be held steady at an even $3. The price hikes, or course, are expected to help the TTC get control of its budget and bring in an additional $18 million in revenue in 2013 alone. The new fares take effect January 1st.

What do you think of the fare hike? Share your thoughts in the poll and comment thread below.


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Discussion

68 Comments

Evan / November 21, 2012 at 07:33 pm
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The first and fourth option are the same, except the people in the forth option get to be all angry.
dc / November 21, 2012 at 07:42 pm
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Now I can't afford to feed my kids. THANKS A LOT, TTC, YOU HORRIBLE MONSTERS.
Bob But Not Doug / November 21, 2012 at 07:43 pm
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What do I think? I don't have the luxury of a choice; I have to take the TTC. Next year I expect it will be a little bit more expensive and a little bit worse, the same way it's been for the last 15 years.
yf / November 21, 2012 at 07:43 pm
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http://i.imgur.com/0re8u.png

No comment needed.
Bob But Not Doug / November 21, 2012 at 07:45 pm
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yf nailed it. If the TTC were properly funded, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Max / November 21, 2012 at 07:54 pm
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No, it won't impact my TTC use.
Why?
Because I use TTC at a bare minimum, as a last resort or only when I know it really is too dangerous for drunk me to get home any other way.

Thanks TTC! My feet and bicycle really are the better way.
James / November 21, 2012 at 07:54 pm
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Honestly, we are a first class city with a 2nd rate transit system. I live in the downtown core and I choose most times to walk or drive because of how inconvenient I find the TTC to be due to obstructed street car tracks, lack of subways and costs. Many times it's cheaper and faster to pay for parking and drive, rather than to have more than one person take a trip 2 ways to a destination on public transit. Not to mention the fact that you cannot get on and off on a single fare, despite the length of time riding. Something seriously needs to change. With 100's of condo's going up, no addition highways and lack of new roads and parking downtown we are doomed. I love Toronto, and I want to support the TTC but something has got to give. I'm willing to pay higher costs for improved service but at this point things aren't looking good.
Me / November 21, 2012 at 08:02 pm
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Actually, I'm honestly surprised it wasn't more, or sooner then this. Anyways, it won't impact me as i don't use it, very seldom have and always tell people that visit Toronto to avoid it at all costs if they want to leave the city not hating Torontonians.
Antisthenes replying to a comment from James / November 21, 2012 at 08:30 pm
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@James, "we are a first class city with a 2nd rate transit system."

You don't travel much, do you? But we agree that Toronto's transit is a class below where it should be: a second-class city with a third-rate transit system.
Sean / November 21, 2012 at 08:34 pm
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GRRRRRRRR.
zktxo / November 21, 2012 at 09:42 pm
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privatize that shit.
Ling Gu / November 21, 2012 at 09:44 pm
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The TTC will never be mistaken for a world class transit system.
- Can't use credit card to purchase tokens (not even for a roll of 50)
- Why does the system use tokens?
- Token "collectors" - how much do they get paid?
- The subway stations are disgusting, and look more like public restrooms - they are an embarrassment.
jacob / November 21, 2012 at 09:52 pm
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THANKS ALOT OBAMACARE
Bubba / November 21, 2012 at 09:53 pm
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paying more money for bad service.
perpetuating the new standard of public service in toronto,
if you don't believe that just take a look at our glorious mayor.

gimme some more of that gravy.
McRib replying to a comment from Ling Gu / November 21, 2012 at 09:55 pm
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you bring up interesting points that have never been raised before.
Justin replying to a comment from Ling Gu / November 21, 2012 at 11:13 pm
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I pretty much agree with everything you're saying, but I don't think the Subway stations in Toronto are nearly as disgusting as some other cities.
Dylan replying to a comment from jacob / November 21, 2012 at 11:14 pm
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HAHAHAHA
fuentes / November 21, 2012 at 11:27 pm
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I hate how the means of public access is getting shittier and more expensive. Like first with the libraries and now with this fare hike, yeah 5 cents is not that much. But when my father tells me how metropasses used to be 30 bucks a pop , I really don't see how the ttc has improved especially in Scarborough. Downtown get's all the newest features and I get how its in the metro but when a good portion of the people commuting come from Scarborough more can be done for the outside GTA
cathy / November 22, 2012 at 01:17 am
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I'm kind of annoyed with getting dinged both fare raises as a metropass holder. Though thankfully my workplace has a bulk metropass plan so I don't quite pay full price. Still, last time I had to pay $14 extra one month to cover the cost of 2 months of the hike. (Because of the way it's taken off of our cheques.)
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Bob But Not Doug / November 22, 2012 at 01:48 am
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So then, why don't you and everybody else here that's acting like whiny babies vote in political parties at the provincial and federal levels that would fully fund public transit? You can't complain when the TTC has to increase fares because it doesn't get any share of the tax revenues and no provincial or federal funding from either the Liberals or the Tories.
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Ling Gu / November 22, 2012 at 02:23 am
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Ling Gu, you wouldn't know what 'a first class public system' is if it bit you on your sorry, whiny ass. Many of the planet's transit systems have problems, and many also have people who complain about how bad they are (even most New Yorkers do that, as I saw when I came across a recent blog post by an American blogger.)

-PLEASE don't be bringing up up bullshit about how tokens are shit-many people use them, and get across town quite well with them, in comparison to you and all of the other whiners here at Blog TO.

-PLEASE don't bring up how you can't use credit cards for buying tokens-you buy Metropasses with them well enough, and you can use an ATM to take out the money to buy what tokens you need in bulk, so that's a nonstarter.

-PLEASE stop with all of the TTC employee bashing and the the transit union bashing; at least the TTC employees have balls/guts to have a union and to believe in the union to help them when they need to fight for their rights, unlike most of you lazy fools who think that they don't need one due to years of anti-union propaganda by the mainstream media convincing you that you don't (and look where you are now without one!)

-PLEASE stop complaining about how TTC stations look-odds are that you're one of the stupid sheeple who complained about all of the designs that went into the new stations being built on the expansion to Vaughn, and of how much the cost-heck, I'll even be betting that you're complaining about the renovations to Union Station right now.

-PLEASE stop comparing the TTC to MTR (Hong Kong), NYCTA (New York) Transport For London (London) RATP (Paris) and other transit authorities/companies-they have their problems, too and their detractors, and sometimes things don't move as fast as the citizens of the cities want them to. The old saying 'The grass is always greener' applies here.

-PLEASE stop bitching about how we don't have a RFID farecard system while other cities do; PRESTO's probably overrated anyway, and the way its being implemented is actually probably going to be borne by the TTC in the form of higher costs which will have to be paid for by increasing fares or a sales tax-irony of ironies!

And finally:

-PLEASE be grateful that you are living in a First World country where you can get decent things like transit that works; many new Canadians from poorer parts of the planet could (and can) tell you how shitty things are where they came from, transit included! You may not have everything you want in the TTC, but at least, you have functioning public transit. TRY and be grateful for that.
socialist / November 22, 2012 at 04:02 am
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should be free and 24 hours (subway)

just saying.
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from socialist / November 22, 2012 at 06:42 am
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Agree with you on the FIRST part, disagree with you on the second.

The ONLY subway system that's 24/365 is New York's and that system is intermittent in the 1 AM to 2 6AM hours, with trains not coming quite as fast as people want. Most subways shut down for the night (even Madrid's) and those that have to get someplace in most cities either walk home or call a cab. I myself would not want to be on a subway car with people on it causing trouble as in New York, or have to put up with mentally ill people screaming in my ear about some nonsense bugging them (besides, the Blue Night Network covers Toronto quite well.) This MIGHT and COULD work, but the whole system would have to be automated for it to be feasible, probably.
w-hat / November 22, 2012 at 07:29 am
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They need to pay those two guys who stand at the bottom of the stairs at Bloor Yonge in the morning and control access to the stairs. It's a two man job guys!
james / November 22, 2012 at 07:44 am
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Thanks a lot for ripping up spadina and putting in a shitty street car. Dig an f'n tunnel while you're out there... you were Half way there. phuck
Jim / November 22, 2012 at 07:51 am
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Rather than rasining my fares, how about we start reducing costs internally. I have a suggestion to get things rolling - stop paying ticket collectors over $100k

Seriously, smash the union and watch the operating costs drop.
Todd replying to a comment from Antisthenes / November 22, 2012 at 09:22 am
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+ infinity.
B replying to a comment from Simon Tarses / November 22, 2012 at 09:38 am
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Not sure if serious...
amy teill replying to a comment from Simon Tarses / November 22, 2012 at 10:14 am
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Oh please give it a rest. Our cost of subway for the service we get is pathetic across the board. We have a right to be unhappy with a service that we PAY for. Especially one that we pay too much for what we get! That is how commerce and business work.
Try applying that logic to any COMPETITIVE business and you'll come up dry.
"Don't complain that the meal you ordered came to you late, cold, and dirty, you should be grateful that cook was kind enough to make it for you!"
Again, if we PAY for service both with our taxes and per ride we have the right to critique it when it isn't run effectively.
mezimeen replying to a comment from Simon Tarses / November 22, 2012 at 10:15 am
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PLEASE SHUT UP.
j-rock replying to a comment from Justin / November 22, 2012 at 10:46 am
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There are subway stations all over the world that are grimier than many of Toronto's. NYC comes immediately to mind. But if the trains run properly, and get people where they need to go, passengers are a lot more forgiving of that kind of thing. Function will usually win out over form. Unfortunately, Toronto too often has neither.
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from amy teill / November 22, 2012 at 11:25 am
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Why should I believe you and your complaining about the TTC when I'll bet you five bucks that you probably get up late and then try to rush the clock to make it to work, hoping the the bus/streetcar/subway will get you there REALLY fast?, Or, that you don't plan your trips properly? Ever though about that?

Also, what makes you think that a highly trained TTC worker is anything like the people that serve you food at a restaurant?

As for the complaining; it would be one thing if you and people like you had good complaints, but half of the bitching on Blog To about the TTC is just complaining for complaining`s sake, and nothing more than that. Perhaps if you voted properly (not for neocon lite twits like Dalton McGuinty and Stephan Harper, but people tat care about public transit and the people who take it), you wouldn`t be needing to feel bad about the TTC, because it would be properly funded to do what it has to do. But, of course, I`m guessing that you don`t do that.

Chris / November 22, 2012 at 11:37 am
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Slowly raising the price keeps ridership constant in an ever growing city. Those who can't afford it loose out. New lines can be debated for decades to come. We will continue to run at capacity during rush hour.
amy teill replying to a comment from Simon Tarses / November 22, 2012 at 12:02 pm
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Troll alert.
Seriously assuming my morning habits and voting regularities? (for the record I plan my trips by the TTC time estimate and then add +15 minutes which doesn't always work, and this morning I left 45 minutes early).
Personally a lot of my complaints have to do with the fact that I have barely seen improvements despite paying extra money. And a lot of what I have wrong with the TTC is when drivers are unsafe or unfair, which does happen a lot. Just yesterday I was on a streetcar where the driver was 1) late because he was chatting with a coworker and had 6 streetcars line up behind him during rush hour and the driver behind him yelled at him for ruining the schedule, 2) Sped to make up time, 3) didn't check passes, 4) stopped the car to yell at a driver he saw was on their cellphone at a light even though it is wrong it had no effect on his route whatsoever he just felt like being self righteous.
But hey I guess you have points for all of that, and that you're going to make some more leftie-pinko-commie assumptions toward me, and continue to make ignorant uneducated "opinion as fact" comments.

I GUESS YOU'RE JUST A BETTER PERSON THAN ME. PLEASE TEACH ME TO BE SMART LIKE YOU.
Me replying to a comment from Simon Tarses / November 22, 2012 at 12:49 pm
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I get a laugh out of the fact that anyone who disagrees with the Status Quo here is instantly a "troll". Simon, you are spot on.
amy teill replying to a comment from Me / November 22, 2012 at 01:00 pm
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Not a troll because we have a different opinion, a troll because he's going about it in such an ignorant and the baseless assumptions being made. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that they're just trying to get a rise out of people rather than actually being that much of an ignorant blowhard.

Again why don't you actually read and take in the context of what I'm saying?
Jake / November 22, 2012 at 01:14 pm
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Simon, you are an absolute donkey.

Enjoy being satisfied with mediocrity and paying for it.

Tool.
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from amy teill / November 22, 2012 at 01:31 pm
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The context of what you`re saying, to me, is just bogus and silly, with little or nothing to recommend it other than the driver gave you a bad day. Big deal.

Oh, and one more thing, sweetums; the TTC or any other public transit system is NOT a business, but a public utility. Please stop believing neocon propaganda that says government services should be run like that of a corporation that has to make a profit. They don`t.
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Jake / November 22, 2012 at 01:40 pm
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The donkey, sir, is you and everybody else here dissing the TTC day after day, yet doing the same thing every four years that ensures the TTC is as mediocre as you say it is.

Oh, and one other thing; if you and al lot of other people want subways so bad, you`re going to have to buck up and cough up money to keep it going in the form of sales and property taxes as well as any fare increase that`s needed-that`s how most municipalities in North America and elsewhere do it, and that`s how it will have to be done here too (even with the shitty funding the TTC gets from Queen`s Park.)
Todd replying to a comment from Simon Tarses / November 22, 2012 at 01:58 pm
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I'm sorry... what are people supposed to do again?

Buy cars they can't afford? Bike using the many bike lanes, especially along those 8 lane highways they call suburban streets? Just not show up to work alltogether and only take cabs to stock up on canned goods?
Me / November 22, 2012 at 02:07 pm
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I just walk and keep what I need to do local and within walking distance.
A / November 22, 2012 at 02:16 pm
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Not to be provocative but Simon does have a point. How many ignorant dirtbags here have complained about the TTC being the most expensive to use transit system in the world when it's not even the most expensive in the GTA? It's like these people have never ventured outside their own personal reality distortion field and instead walk around under it in a haze of chicken little hyperbole.
Brad / November 22, 2012 at 02:33 pm
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They need to start charging by the pound for those gigantic baby strollers
Idiot replying to a comment from Simon Tarses / November 22, 2012 at 02:46 pm
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How dare someone criticize our third-world transit system, aka the TTC.

You're a bloody joke, go away.

Idiot replying to a comment from Simon Tarses / November 22, 2012 at 02:50 pm
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Go back to watching Star Trek, you whiny git.
New Calgarian / November 22, 2012 at 02:50 pm
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I recently moved to Calgary from Toronto and I now realize how great TTC is. Yes, there are a few kinks to work out but it's infinitely better than transit here in Calgs
amy teill replying to a comment from Simon Tarses / November 22, 2012 at 03:17 pm
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The point was that as a "highly trained employee" he engaged in potentially dangerous behaviour, and unprofessional behaviour.
And it is a BUSINESS in the sense that I PAY for a SERVICE and get POOR SERVICE.
And don't call me sweetums you ignorant chauvinistic moron.
lala / November 22, 2012 at 04:19 pm
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Well well TTC congrats on raising fares this year un(for)tunately I will not be riding the ttc and what can i say? I sure as hell do not miss a myriad of things such as: Drunks , homeless people, stuck-up downtown professionals and last but not least extreme delays that lead to me walking 5 km to the next stop. FYI: I was not harmed during the four years i took the subway to school. Thank goodness their not being sued. Amen.
amy teill / November 22, 2012 at 05:16 pm
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People who don't think there is something wrong with the way the TTC is funded or the way that we pay for it is blind, it has the most expensive fare in North America.
Alex / November 22, 2012 at 06:45 pm
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If the TTC was funded by the provincial and federal government we wouldn't have the fare increases, poor service, crumbling infrastructure, etc. This is the largest city in Canada, our transit system ought to be subsidized.

To the idiots clamouring for privatization, that's one way to guarantee even shittier service and lax safety. Private companies will do whatever it takes to save money including cutting corners, skipping on training, neglecting infrastructure and paying employees less. All of which will come back to bite us in the ass.

Demand funding for the TTC and free and accessible transit for all! We need to stop aiming for the lowest common denominator and trying to sell off public services.
Tommy replying to a comment from amy teill / November 22, 2012 at 06:53 pm
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There are many transit systems in North America with more expensive fares - just look north of Steeles to the YRT - so I don't know what you're going on about there. As for your streetcar experience: did you report it? The TTC has been putting resources into accepting and following up on complaints. You can do it via a form on their website, or even on twitter. The more we, as the public, do this, the easier it is for the TTC to identify problem employees and get rid of them.

As for $100,000 dollar ticket-takers: yes, these are patronage appointments, but there's more to it than that. Often they are injured or are recovering mentally from subway suicide jumpers. It ain't a fun mind-space to be in, and having them interact with the public certainly isn't a great idea... but it keeps the TTC from have having to hire real, full-time ticket-takers. Either they use people who normally would be on disability and are willing to work extra shifts (hence the $100,000 payouts), or hire multiple new employees or technologies who would end up costing even more.

It's not a perfect system, but it chugs along for a reason and any major changes surely will introduce their own new problems - just look at YRT's Viva (3 month strike, most expensive fare in GTA, highest subsidy in all of North America, killing ridership with construction, etc...).
Lick my _ _ _ _ _. / November 22, 2012 at 10:02 pm
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I came here for the comments..
Transithappy / November 22, 2012 at 10:13 pm
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Walking around the city with a tourist's eye (a fun and free activity) it's easy to see that many Toronto people love to whine, complain, curse, pout, sigh, spit and otherwise demonstrate unhappiness. It's a zealous hobby in every part of the city.
The TTC is charging another nickel per trip for passholders. Passholders are commuters and frequent travellers. That demographic of TTC riders likes to have beverages or snacks (sure, there you are with your Cinnabon) while they are zooming around the city.
If you elect to have just one coffee less, once a month, the impact on your pocket change will spread across your TTC trips dozens of times. Let's say that your a TImmy's kind of coffee customer and call a medium coffee $2.00. That's 40 trips. Already you are pushing your nickel cash forward by a couple of weeks into next month! And if you are a coffee high-roller, then save one SB coffee at about $3 and you can move your nickels forward right into the end of the next month.
If you like the TTC, your nickels will go to a good place. If you don't like the TTC, then not taking transit will save you one more nickel per trip. And everyone can still happily steam and gripe about another "urgent" Toronto issue.
linda replying to a comment from Transithappy / November 22, 2012 at 11:11 pm
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OH MY GOD I DIDN'T KNOW THAT'S HOW I SAVE MONEY!
As a tourist who hasn't been here for that long, it's the fact that the price keeps going up while the service keeps going down and it shows no signs of stopping.
And keep in mind there are a lot of people who aren't middle class where a few cents really is a lot and TTC is the only transportation they have access to.
jay replying to a comment from amy teill / November 22, 2012 at 11:34 pm
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you say something sweetums?
Transithappy replying to a comment from linda / November 22, 2012 at 11:44 pm
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Since you haven't been here very long, I will point out that Toronto receives a hundred thousand new residents each year. Meanwhile, the transit system is similar to what it was in the 80's and 90's when it was very effective for the population of the day. Now it groans to keep up with increasing demand and a very demanding customer base. Each condo building in my neighbourhood needs its own streetcar.
Linda, I am actually one of "the poor" and I can find another nickel in my pocket for transit when I want or have to use it. I'm pretty certain that the people who buy passes, who are directly affected (being students and so their fares are discounted or working commuters whose transit cost is part of the cost of working) can also find a few extra dollars to spend on the service that they need. In the long run, the service is more than good, and it costs a lot less than paying for vehicle. You need a lot of nickels to do anything with a car, and "service" can be take-it or leave-it. My point stands that you either use it and like it or don't use it. If the TTC was planned and managed by Disney (the happiest place on earth), people in privileged Toronto would still wring their hands and complain.
On another note, I hope you enjoy your visit and all the great aspects of Toronto.
linda replying to a comment from Transithappy / November 23, 2012 at 10:14 am
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I'm not a tourist, I was addressing the tourist who's comment I was replying to. I've been here for years.
Only in Canada / November 23, 2012 at 02:28 pm
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I am not rich but I can not remember last time I picked up 5 or 10 cents of the floor. This reminds me of the gas price report that I hear on the radio. "The gas prices are going down by 1,2 cents/litre". Great I will be saving around 82 cents if I fill up from empty(on a $87 gas tank). Only in Canada...Only in Canada the same people that complain about ttc and love the environment and everything communal hate the mayor that wants to build subways. Their excuse is we can not afford it. Like building a subway is a well known and documented impossibility that clashes with natural laws and not just a mater of figuring out a financing model.
Alex replying to a comment from Only in Canada / November 23, 2012 at 03:54 pm
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Correction: "hate the mayor that wants to build subways where they aren't needed and would cost a lot more to operate".

Inflation is about 1% or 2% right now I believe, and 0.05 is about 1.9%. So they are actually just raising it to inflation, which is pretty unavoidable. Unless of course the city had not frozen the operating subsidy to the TTC, which they shouldn't have done because you need to account for inflation. The same inflation that should be bringing more money into the city every year in taxes. So this is basically another service cut by the city, since they have the money, they are just spending it elsewhere.
Giancarlo / November 23, 2012 at 05:16 pm
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I have been to New Delhi, it's subway is better than Toronto's.
No joke.

Anyway, the best way to resolve the mess of public transportation is to abolish the City Bylaw that makes the TTC monopoly provider of "public" transportation.
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Idiot / November 23, 2012 at 06:31 pm
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That's intelligent, coming from you. And what a name you've got to use on here; at least I've got one that works and sounds like thought was put into it.

Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Giancarlo / November 23, 2012 at 07:20 pm
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As one person above me said, that's a stupid idea, and it won't work here. In fact, where it's been done, the experience is it doesn't work at all, period, and the cities that have tried it (like London. England) usually end up making said privatized transit public again (which may happen with York Region and VIVA one day!) Why fuck up a good thing for a private thing that's sure to be a bomb, anyway?
Shana / November 24, 2012 at 06:44 pm
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For perspective this is a 1.9% fare increase in a year.

This would be reasonable, except that some people (such as public workers) have salaries frozen at increasing 0% a year. Then inflation feels perilous.
susie / November 25, 2012 at 03:29 pm
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TTC is Shit. Nothing changes but the price.

Jakub / November 26, 2012 at 12:40 am
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Suck it up. A 2% increase is just matching inflation and standard business practice. This ain't news to me. Just avoid the TTC during sardine-filled-inhumane-cold-hearted 9am/5pm rush hour and all will be well. :)
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Jakub / November 26, 2012 at 05:50 am
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You've got it!
Rafa / November 26, 2012 at 03:26 pm
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Will the fare hike increase the cost of entering the rear doors of the 501 from $0.00 to $0.05?
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