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Bloor Street church the focus of huge development

Posted by Chris Bateman / April 19, 2012

Bloor Street United Church CondoThe Bloor Street United Church at the corner of Bloor and Huron Street will likely be redeveloped to host the headquarters of the United Church of Canada, a condo tower, and an improved space for church services and other meetings. Like several other proposed and under-construction developments in Toronto, the designs available on the church's website show a mix of angular modern design mixed several historic features of the original structure.

Under the plans currently available online, the original nave will be replaced with a large, glass-walled square space to allow in the maximum amount of sunlight. The area behind the church, currently a parking lot, will form the base of the General Council offices and condominium tower. The appearance and layout shown here is preliminary, but the design is one favoured by the church.

The Bloor Street United Church was selected from several locations in Canada vying for the new headquarters. The lease on the current offices at Bloor and Islington will expire in 2015, which prompted the church to look for a new space. The location in the heart of Toronto and the local congregation were apparently key factors in the decision.Bloor Church Bloor ViewMichael Hilliard, the chair of the church's redevelopment committee, says no matter what happens, the protected facade will remain. "Whatever is ultimately done ... the remainder of the building will be redeveloped into new, flexible, environmentally-sound space, which it currently isn't."

The green features could include LEED designation - an internationally recognized level of excellence for sustainable and eco-friendly buildings - and a green roof on top of the redesigned nave. The architects behind these designs, B+H, are also (partially) responsible for another Bloor street icon - the modern extension to the ROM. The still under-construction Ripley's Aquarium near the CN Tower is also in the company's portfolio.

"Within the congregation, everybody is very excited," says Hilliard. "The outcome of this, we hope, will be a great, new, accessible, environmentally-sensitive space. That's not to discount in any way the attachment many of us feel to our existing building, but at the end of the day we felt that in order to do the kind of ministry we wanted it made sense to make this move."Bloor Church Close UpThe church hopes to have the new building ready sometime in 2017, though that could change depending on how the development progresses in the coming months. The church met with the community and local councillor Adam Vaughan last night to discuss the project and initiate the process of getting council approval. If all goes to plan, the builders could break ground within two years.

What do you think of the proposed design?

Discussion

70 Comments

JB / April 19, 2012 at 09:46 am
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aaaand.... queue all the unsatisfiable Torontonians that have a problem with this...
bob / April 19, 2012 at 09:50 am
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i have a problem with this
Time Traveller / April 19, 2012 at 10:02 am
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I promise that this will look really dumb when it's finished. I tried to warn you all about the ROM crystal thing but no one listened.
Torontonian / April 19, 2012 at 10:03 am
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Apple Store?
Kyle / April 19, 2012 at 10:04 am
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Personally, I think it's a great idea to open an apple store in a church.
Kyle / April 19, 2012 at 10:05 am
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Note - I attempted to say "sell" and "products" but the system thought I was spamming so I had to change my wording. What I originally put was HILARIOUS.
matts / April 19, 2012 at 10:08 am
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" The location in the heart of Toronto and the local congregation were apparently deal-breakers in the decision."

deal-makers?
iSkyscraper / April 19, 2012 at 10:18 am
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Terrific project, the kind of quasi-adaptive reuse, quasi-modern commercialism Toronto is becoming known for, and I mean that in a good way.

It's not perfect, it's not startchitecture, not true historical preservation either, and there are no superrich clients throwing cash at it the way they do in the US or Europe, but it will get built and it will be a plus for the urban fabric of the city. And right on the subway.

Good stuff.

Bill replying to a comment from bob / April 19, 2012 at 10:24 am
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I don not have a problem with this.
rick replying to a comment from Bill / April 19, 2012 at 10:25 am
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I Don Knotts have a problem with this.
Name the Condo / April 19, 2012 at 10:28 am
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Is anyone else coming up with awesome names a condo with a church attached to it could be called? I pray to God the developer has an open naming contest like "Backstage" did!
NC replying to a comment from rick / April 19, 2012 at 10:38 am
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Hilarious! Having just missed a glaring grammar mistake in one of my own emails, the timing is exquisite.
Jordan / April 19, 2012 at 10:40 am
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Love this, if we could preserve more historic buildings this way it would be a real plus.
PRAISE FINDER replying to a comment from Kyle / April 19, 2012 at 10:43 am
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Apple is GOD.
Dennis / April 19, 2012 at 10:50 am
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Gorgeous.
Plens / April 19, 2012 at 10:51 am
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I have a problem with this, and the aforementioned Apple store built into this.
Alex / April 19, 2012 at 10:59 am
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It would be super expensive, but if they built the glass nave with all stained glass it would be beautiful. Or even just a few large stained glass panels in the centre of the sides and ceiling.
Kyle / April 19, 2012 at 11:05 am
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It's 2012 - shouldn't these buildings just be closed and appreciated for their historic architecture? People still attend these things?

Can't wait until the day comes when our children ask "What's that building?" and we inform them of what it used to be. The child lets out a little laugh and says "people used to be silly back then". Then the parent takes them for a nice big ice cream cone.
Kieren replying to a comment from Kyle / April 19, 2012 at 11:13 am
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You mean for a space-cream cone right after they come out of the holographic museum of ancient architecture.
God replying to a comment from Kyle / April 19, 2012 at 11:18 am
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They'll need to cool off a bit, since they'll be spending eternity in hell for their heathenism!
Kyle replying to a comment from Kieren / April 19, 2012 at 11:18 am
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Sure - you can dress all that other stuff up however you want. I was making a completely separate point.
See ya replying to a comment from Kyle / April 19, 2012 at 11:33 am
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You've been rubbing up against the Reddit peen for a bit long there buddy.
Kyle replying to a comment from See ya / April 19, 2012 at 11:41 am
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Yes - that's the only place to gain information to form an opinion from.

If it's not on gonewild - I don't even bother. :)
Alana / April 19, 2012 at 11:50 am
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I am looking forward to this change in my neighbourhood. But beforehand, I hope to take a tour through that "rabbit warren" of memories (I used to sing in a choir that used almost every room of the church, at some point or other).
gaul / April 19, 2012 at 12:02 pm
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remember that kid who accused toronto of being racist, because somebody restored the big bop building? that was hilarious. anyway, this new building is racist.
matt / April 19, 2012 at 12:05 pm
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A deal-breaker is the exact opposite of what you mean. Among other errors. BlogTO editing has been slipping.
Dan replying to a comment from JB / April 19, 2012 at 12:06 pm
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lol
how does it meet the street?! Is there any retail at ground level?!
adam / April 19, 2012 at 12:07 pm
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i think this looks great. a funny god-related name would also be badass, and possibly not beyond the united church?

and why do people hate the ROM addition so much? never understood that. at least it's not another boring rectangle.
Ronnie / April 19, 2012 at 12:08 pm
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I don't like it! To build so close to such a beautiful old building and surround it by modern architecture kinda takes away from it!
martha / April 19, 2012 at 12:22 pm
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I'm SO excited about our (the General Council Office of The United Church of Canada)office will move here! Being centrally located, and 'in' a UCCan church were deal Makers, duh.
Church buildings are old, inaccessible, and cost a FORTUNE to maintain; the repurposing of the best parts of the design of this building means that the 'character' of the corner will remain, but accessibility, and green building will benefit everyone.
Micki / April 19, 2012 at 12:23 pm
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There's something so wrong about a condo development in here...
I am too replying to a comment from adam / April 19, 2012 at 12:46 pm
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Because we're all architecture critics that can only come up with reiterations of what someone else said first that sounded smart.
me / April 19, 2012 at 12:57 pm
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I would much rather have this than going and finding the building totally gone because they couldn't afford to stay there. The other day I went to look at an old cafe I went to in the 70s at Avenue Road and Davenport and the entire building is gone ... so, yes, keep what you can. Time marches on.
Rick / April 19, 2012 at 01:01 pm
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It's not great, but it's not the worst.
Grant / April 19, 2012 at 01:01 pm
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Dear Lord, save us from the corporatization of your church buildings.
Mike / April 19, 2012 at 01:04 pm
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Can't wait to puke on this after I leave my frat house wasted
GL / April 19, 2012 at 01:06 pm
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Aren't Church collections meant to be help those in need?
Alex replying to a comment from adam / April 19, 2012 at 01:22 pm
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I hate it because it's ugly and out of place. A castle type facade would have been cool, or greek, roman, egyptian, british, anything that represents a past era of Toronto. Instead they went with a large protruding crystal, and then didn't even put the geology stuff inside.

Also, it ruined the dinosaur exhibit. Oooh, bare white walls and bones! The old exhibit had painted jungle scenes at least.
Sean / April 19, 2012 at 01:22 pm
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CRAP!

I tell friends from out of town that the ROM is closed for renovations when they express visiting it. Why? Because I'm ashamed of the destruction of the original architecture.

As for the 'united' chuch, looks like the same crap will 'disperse' those of that religion of that church.

Crap again!
McRib replying to a comment from Sean / April 19, 2012 at 01:55 pm
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sure you do pal.
Tim / April 19, 2012 at 02:40 pm
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No. Leave the church alone d-bags. Yoru glass building is fucking ugly and will be falling apart in 10 years.
Mike replying to a comment from Sean / April 19, 2012 at 02:50 pm
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im glad you're not my friend because you're an asshat for doing that.
Black Jesus replying to a comment from Mike / April 19, 2012 at 03:11 pm
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I'm the only friend you need, Mike.
Paragon of Virtue / April 19, 2012 at 03:21 pm
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Isn't the United Church the one you can join if you don't believe in God?, or was it Jesus? the Bible? A Post-Religion Church!
george replying to a comment from Sean / April 19, 2012 at 03:40 pm
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you're such an idiot...and I'm sure you have "friends" from out of town visiting.
Cheeky Monkey replying to a comment from rick / April 19, 2012 at 04:15 pm
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@rick: (LOL)

I, Don Knotts, have a problem with this.
stopitman / April 19, 2012 at 04:27 pm
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I think this is a great reuse of the building and excellent to see an HQ that is investing downtown Toronto. Not full, preservation, but good nevertheless.

I always find people who are against any change in architecture to be the types that would save a generic house to stop something new from going up. If cities hadn't torn down, reused, and rebuilt buildings, Manhattan would still be slums, Paris would not be what it is today (most of the city was bulldozed in the 1800s for the current look), and beautiful buildings wouldn't be around today like St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican, the Louvre, or Grand Central Terminal.

Also with regards to the ROM extension - believe it or not, but I've seen it in several top 10 lists for best and most controversial buildings of the decade and seems to garner praise from out-of-towners. My own family from Manhattan, Sydney, and Malta (whom live inside the walls of a medieval fortress) all liked the addition, and enjoyed the city as a whole.
rick mcginnis / April 19, 2012 at 04:39 pm
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Well, Apple is practically a church, and its adherents are legion, so it's no surprise that they finally built a cathedral to go with all of their little chapels.
bobbie brown / April 19, 2012 at 04:59 pm
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The poor baha'i centre across the street is going to feel so inadequate after this.
paulo krischke / April 19, 2012 at 08:03 pm
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In the mid-seventies Brazilian Studies/LARU had a small office in this church...
alice mc / April 19, 2012 at 09:54 pm
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so, now that all the churches in the core are selling/fusing their properties to the private sector for great profit can we expect them to pay the decades of back taxes that they have been exempt from?
Josh / April 19, 2012 at 10:46 pm
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BUT Rogers Campus is right there! Why would they do that. I can't see it. Rogers is the Hub.
Julie replying to a comment from Josh / April 19, 2012 at 10:51 pm
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You're right the Goodwill Downtown Dropoff is there and Swiss Chalet and Pharmaplus. I can't see them putting this thing in with all those establishments already there. There's also a CIBC
Casandra / April 20, 2012 at 12:24 am
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They are NOT putting that monstrosity near my FCUK!
David O'Rourke / April 20, 2012 at 03:53 am
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I am happy to see that they are planning to restore the three front doors which were "bricked" up a number of years ago due, I suspect, to Bloor St. being widened. Pedestrians walking along Bloor St. are currently met with a cold stone wall. That stretch of Bloor St. really needs something.
Torono / April 20, 2012 at 11:30 am
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lol The last thing Torono needs is a condo. Any old building or piece of history is either knocked down to develop condos or "redeveloped" It's boring. I don't know about any of you, but i like to walk around and see history, see buildings, structures that are hundreds of years old, it's interesting. It's what makes a place unique, catches your eye. Instead, Torono always ops for the easier route, the easy money. Modern, then in about 30 years or so, knock down again, or "redevelop"
Gline replying to a comment from gaul / April 20, 2012 at 12:17 pm
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They didn't accuse Toronto of being racist, they accused Toronto of being preoccupied with preserving old things so much that the immigrants of colour who aren't so preoccupied with preserving old buildings are shortchanged.

I think the people like you who are enshrined in their white privilege that were offended by the comment in question should check out this blog and lean about what people of colour do go through on a daily basis: http://www.racialicious.com/
Yu replying to a comment from Grant / April 20, 2012 at 01:27 pm
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Sorry, the LORD has been too busy finalizing the itinerary for his next messenger, ever since the fine Steve had finished his tour.
Mick / April 20, 2012 at 04:07 pm
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Thank God (literally), another condo. I was having a hard time finding one.
thinkaboutit replying to a comment from Kyle / April 21, 2012 at 02:01 am
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The best way to appreciate the 'historic architecture' of a structure is using it for it's intended historical purpose. And, yes, people still attend. Churches are supported by their congregations.

Furthermore, you can't simply say 'hey, let's close this church!'. Firstly, the church building is owned by the church (as a religious organization). It's their building and they can do what they want with it. Secondly, the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms guarantees Canadians the freedom of religion. For the government to legislate the closure of a church because it thinks the idea of religion is 'silly' is unconstitutional.

So when you children ask 'what's that building?' you tell them. And if you pass a mosque, synagogue, or temple of any sort you do the same thing. As you said, it's 2012: the age where we can appreciate and celebrate all history, religion, and culture!
David / April 21, 2012 at 05:03 pm
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I don't understand the objections. No historic building is being destroyed. I get that a lot of people hate stuff that is "new." After all, let us remember that people in Paris rioted at the premiere of Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring." Nobody would now. So settle down, everyone, and remember that your opinion isn't everyone's.
Jolly Roger / April 21, 2012 at 08:53 pm
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David: anything else aside, a good portion of the building IS being destroyed. As the article states, the nave is set to be removed. Does that change your opinion?
gaul replying to a comment from Gline / April 21, 2012 at 09:36 pm
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oh man. you're right. i had no idea how annoyed non-whites probably get when old buildings get restored. sorry for being such a racist! which is extra confusing, because, I'M BLACK, DUDE.
gaul / April 21, 2012 at 09:38 pm
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anyway guys, i'm just as mad as you are that this church i never go to is getting changed around! did anybody ask the congregation what they think?
Dissapointed guy / April 22, 2012 at 01:28 am
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I can live with the ROM but this...
Gline replying to a comment from gaul / April 24, 2012 at 02:12 pm
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Sorry about that, then.
Blog Audience / April 24, 2012 at 03:41 pm
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wow Gline, you got OWNED
d / April 25, 2012 at 03:04 pm
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Ugh. Hideous. Couldn't they modernize the building without making it horribly ugly and unwelcoming? Why does EVERYTHING have to be shaped like a box or a bunch of boxes stuck together?
junctionist / May 25, 2012 at 01:54 am
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This project is terrible. The church is a beautiful historic building that is going to be demolished for no good reason, with just its exterior walls and tower left standing. The interior is important as well and adaptable to new uses like events space, community space, or lofts. Sure, Toronto is a growing city, but there's an empty lot next to this landmark and plenty of unremarkable buildings around it that could be redeveloped. We shouldn't be preserving our rich history so crudely. Everyone should contact the church and city to speak out again this project because we shouldn't be destroying our heritage by accepting such lousy and uninspiring preservation.
Believer in God replying to a comment from God / April 22, 2013 at 06:17 am
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Haha - God opened a can of WHOOP-ASS on Miss Kyle.

Eat that ice cream now princess Kyle cuz there aint no Baskin Robbins in hell girly-man haha.

I mean that in the nicest possible way Miss Kyle hehe. = )

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