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What happened to Woodbine Live?
If you ask the Mayor about his greatest achievement during his ten-year run as Councillor of Ward 2, inevitably he will point to one thing: Woodbine Live. Rob Ford will invariably cite Woodbine Live as an example of how he can attract private interests to major projects, having been quoted once as saying 'I know how to deal with CEOs of huge corporations - that's how I landed the largest development in Toronto's history.'
As someone who apparently cannot let go of notions of private investment being involved in matters of transit and other municipal affairs, you have to first examine that claim Ford has made about Woodbine Live, and put it under a microscope, and also examine just what the present status of Woodbine Live is (Here's a hint: it's not exactly been built just yet).
What is Woodbine Live?
Woodbine Live is a billion-dollar development/partnership between Woodbine Entertainment Group and The Cordish Company, which is presently based in Maryland. Apparently it would feature shops, restaurants, a skating rink, a theatre, hotel and other auxiliary attractions. Figures have suggested that 9000-10,000 jobs would be created by the project. You'd be looking at 80+ hectares of land being developed to go with the Woodbine racetrack and slots presently operating at the corner of Rexdale Boulevard and Highway 27.
The project was approved in July of 2007.
Though Rob Ford has been quite vocal in his support of the project, council records show that when it comes to crucial meetings involving tax deferrals and community-improvement plans, he wasn't necessarily present. Further, when you examine peripheral dialogue around the project from key individuals in both municipal government and those who were part of the negotiations, his presence may not as been profound as the Mayor wishes to claim.
Give him credit for showing up to community meetings and for speaking out in favour of the project, but this was a project that at the time the council strongly supported. Much to the chagrin of others involved in the project, Ford's claim of 'Woodbine Live, I did that,' does not necessarily hold up under scrutiny.
But what if we decide to indulge in the Mayor's fantasy? Facts sometimes seem to be an obstacle for our Mayor, so let's all pretend that we live in a world where we see things through his eyes. Let's assume, then, that the Mayor is indeed responsible for Woodbine Live. Let's strip away all of the contributions of Mayor Miller at the time, any of the other councillors, everyone in the offices of Woodbine and Cordish and put this squarely on his shoulders. Since the Mayor is asking for it (our belief that he is solely responsible for Woodbine Live, that is) let's give him the benefit of the doubt.
Flash forward to July of 2011, four years later.
There are no shovels in the ground. Cordish informs the local media that it hopes to begin construction in the fall, and then subsequently speaks to breaking ground in the early part of 2012. Various circumstances are cited for the delay, from fine-tuning details with the city to the U.S. economy being in recession. An employment centre, with a mandate from the city to provide jobs to residents of this area of high unemployment, has yet to open on site.
There is no skating rink, there is no hotel - four years later, there is absolutely nothing, and there is a general understanding that one of the reasons this development may not be proceeding quickly, is because there are potentially no retailers lining up for any of the retail space available.
Flash forward to March 26th, 2012.
I decided to bike down to Highway 27 and Rexdale and see what exactly is going on with my own eyes.
If there is a major construction project underway, you'd be hard pressed to find it. There were no large cranes in sight. There were no new girders signifying that anything is actually being constructed. There were no large trucks moving materials in and out of the complex. There were no signs signifying the presence of new retailers 'Coming Soon!' There was no gigantic piece of earth being filled with concrete and the whir and sound of constant activity. No construction signs, no restaurants, no hotels, no entertainment district, no residential units, no '1 million square feet of office space,' and most importantly, no new jobs.
This is what is happening right at the moment along the corner of Highway 27 and Rexdale. It is now almost five years later, and there is no sign of this project truly getting underway.
This is what Rob Ford cites as his major accomplishment in his former Ward for the 10 years he was Councillor.
His major accomplishment, his great achievement, one of the examples of how he can generate funds from the private sector for municipal projects, at the present time, five years after conception, does not exist in any tangible form.
How then can we trust this man to be able to guarantee any kind of private sector funding for public projects in any part of our city (be it funding a Sheppard subway line, or the development of the Port Lands) if five years of nothing is what we're left with so far, as his legacy in this Ward?
Five years. The project is delayed, with no tangible sign of future completion.
You know, come to think of it, I'm actually going to give Rob Ford credit for this. If he wants to take full credit for five years of nothing, I believe we should grant him such a thing. If this is the one thing he cites as his legacy in this Ward, what can the rest of the citizens of Toronto expect from him when it comes to these pie-in-the-sky notions of how he'd fund a subway or anything else? This is the man who claims 'I landed the largest development in Toronto history.'
Well, where is it?
Yes Mayor, I believe you. You are responsible for this. All of that nothingness at the corner of Rexdale and Highway 27 (and the subsequent nothingness of this entire Ward for your ten years) is all yours. This is your legacy.
(Well done)
This post has been contributed by Rahim Ladha who is a long-time resident of Ward 2.


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Instead, Mayor Ford decided to abandon these plans -- and his home ward of Etobicoke North for a subway to Scarborough.
It's not too hard to see that the lack of reliable public transit to the site would be yet another reason to discourage private developers from taking part in the project.
Rahim: can you provide any citations or proof to substantiate where Ford said this please?
b/ i think gelee was being sarcastic.
I've stated that this is the perfect spot for the proposed casino because of the proimity to the highway, airport and the possibility of extending the Finch LRT here.
Plus, there could be a number of other factors not thought about such as: the downturn in the economy - If one of the main backers/developers are from Maryland, maybe they don't have the ability at this moment to finance this project.
Second, as much as this is being touted as a private project, let's be honest, I'm sure these guys are waiting for the province to give them some money to 'assist'. This is where the casino may help as a P3 partnership may be created with the OLG to get this project moving.
With the new proposed casino for Toronto, I think it'll get done - and not because of Rob Ford, but in spite of him. The OLG will usher this project through to completion.
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Great work Rahim, great to see a broader representation of the city.
Phase 1 has received OPA/zoning approval, but not final site plan approval. The final report for Phase 2 has not been submitted, and we're a looong way off from seeing OPA/zoning approval for it.
There aren't shovels in the ground because the project has not received final planning and development approvals and building permits have not been issued. I hope there aren't any shovels in the ground until those things are cleared up!
As an aside, did you realize a huge portion of Phase 1 consists of a big box store? Funny - that didn't come up a lot during the big planning discussions back in 2008-9.
If you look closely at the plans for the project, there's a big empty space located adjacent to the NE corner of the clubhouse/slot facility. That's likely where WEG/Cordish want to build the new casino.
In my mind, the biggest problem facing WEG and Cordish is the issue of uncertainty. I don't think Cordish is used to dealing with the stricter Ontario planning and development approval regime, and the province's shady and shifting stance on gaming and gaming expansion can't make for easy business planning.
I have no idea what this is, but I wouldn't call it a reputable media source. Rob Ford's Response? Response to what? Rahim, you mentioned this "has been verified by several other articles"... can you share one? Ideally an article that lists the date of the interview and includes the name of the journalist that did the interviewing.
Try again.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/06/18/rob-ford-faces-off-against-smithermans-reality-checks/
Satisfied?
Rahim / MARCH 27, 2012 AT 02:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGwEYbJbx3o - perhaps you should learn to use google. This is straight from the horse's mouth.
I for one actually appreciate the author taking the time to provide links that back up his statements when requested. Keep up the great work Rahim
Facts. When simple facts are ignored, it seems individuals resort to pouting and stomping their feet. You sound like someone who used to run this ward.
Sorry, that's mildly insulting to little girls.
In all seriousness, it can be sometimes said that we take too gentle of a tone when it comes to those who are so loud in false opinions, they drown out facts. That has been the history of municipal politics here in the last two years. If I'm passionate about something and it comes out in a sarcastic tone, it's merely because I take issue with those who'd indulge in pettiness to distract from the fact that at the corner of Rexdale and Highway 27, there is no Woodbine Live, there are no 10,000 jobs, and no LRT heading out to it. You are right, I should be professional about it. But sometimes, passion (however hot-headed it can be) should come first. I live in this ward, I feel for the people here, and I feel for this city. If my tone is slightly agitated or sarcastic, it is what it is. It's a good suggestion - please take the time to direct it to mayor and his brother as well.
Ross: I am glad you are interested in the issue of professionalism - when are we going to apply that standard to his worship?
Attention Blogto editors - do you want your contributors addressing readers using this kind of language and tone? I'm actually shocked by this lack of professionalism.
I'm sincerely trying to engage with you here, which is why I was a bit surprised with your snide 'perhaps you should learn to use google' remark. I've read the NP article and watched the youtube video and neither of them appear to address my question as to where Ford made the claim that this project was his "greatest achievement" / "major accomplishment".
I didn't vote for Ford and am far from a supporter. Since elected, he's said and done a number of things that embarrass me as a Torontonian. That said, you're article's thesis does stem from a claim that Ford believes Woodbine Live is his "greatest achievement" / "major accomplishment", so I'm respectfully asking for details on where and when he made this claim. That's all. No need for internet nastiness.
This is what Rob Ford cites as his major accomplishment in his former Ward for the 10 years he was Councillor.
His major accomplishment, his great achievement, one of the examples of how he can generate funds from the private sector for municipal projects, at the present time, five years after conception, does not exist in any tangible form.
Here you go. "Steadfast champion" is apparently more appropriate, but if you were paying attention during the mayoral election, not a minute in a debate or panel discussion would go by without Rob Ford mentioning that his business bona fides were established via the Woodbine Live project.
Here's another story about the level of his involvement (at least as far as he perceives) in the globe: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/rob-ford-cant-take-full-credit-for-woodbine-live/article1687844/
But this took all of 3 seconds of googling. Why not just do it yourself next time?
Hey. When are the socialist on BlogTO going to start their railing against the Liberals and all their projected cuts and attack on unions and the working man? Not going to hold my breath. I'd accuse you of talking out both side of you mouth if your heads were not do far up your collective asses.
The point of this article is how things were promised since the summer of 2007. That's plenty of time, regardless of any circumstances to do the necessary work to get a shovel in the ground. Rather than resort to unnecessary name calling, why don't you spend that negative energy and effort into doing some further investigation and research and looking at the obvious truth that the mayor has very little to show for ten years of Ward 2 representation (Nothing wrong with the truth, yes?)
Um...Jay baby...why don't you leave the proctology references to an expert. You should know better. I would have expected better from someone I had to extract from THE MAYOR'S rectum with the help of our National Tug of War team.
In all fairness to Ford, the developers have until fall of 2014 to construct whatever it is they are building to reap the tax benefits. If they started sometime within the next few months, it could be done. Nonetheless, Council could always extend the benefits which is likely since no Councillor voted against it last time.
If your local councillor ignores you then you can write to the other councillors and see if any of them would be willing to bring this problem up in council. I'm not sure what they could do honestly, but if the company that originally bought the land is no longer able to develop it then maybe they should start looking for a new backer or an entirely new development? I know that would take a long time, but based on the nothing that has happened for years at least it will give some hope that something could spring up at this site.
As for further developments, writing this article has energized me to talk to others about bringing this issue up with other members of the community up here to see if there's a way that collectively it can be addressed. It should be a huge issue up here, but no one is really speaking of it. Hopefully this propels the dialogue forward so that there are at least some answers (and as you mention, if this project is not going through after five years, perhaps it's time to explore other options) You have my assurance that there will be following up on this matter thoroughly (or at least I'm going to try)
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Slowly he turns... step by step... and out the side door he goes as his handlers block the crowd from following him.
One problem is definitely lack of retail interest - the way the project was phased (see my post above) the developers didn't have as much flexibility to alter plans for the whole site based on current market needs. In other words, what looked good on paper seven years ago might not be what retailers are looking for now, but with the planning approvals as they stand now it's difficult to have any flexibility in what goes where.
Another issue is the housing on Phase 2. According to the Official Plan, larger residential developments need to include a mix of housing types in an effort to create more diverse and inclusive communities. I'm not sure this vision matches that of the developers, who, if they could choose, would probably prefer to build a more high-end, exclusive enclave. Being forced to build 'mixed housing' probably screws up their math in terms of profitability for the project - I'd bet they're probably at least somewhat reliant on a big injection of upfront condo down payments to help fund that part of the project.
It's also interesting to see where Cordish has other projects - you see a lot of second-tier markets that are often more desperate for the economic benefits (if there are any) of hosting this kind of project. Believe it or not, $120 million in tax incentives on a billion-dollar project isn't a major subsidy compared to some of the other projects they've been involved in.
Finally, with the recent announcement of the impending cancellation of the slots at racetracks program (which is basically a government subsidy for racetracks - though it should be noted Woodbine is by far the most successful track in the province), I wonder if WEG will be more or less interested in making Woodbine Live a reality. Everything will depend now on whether or not Woodbine gets a casino. This will be a long shot, unless the province changes the rules on how casinos get approved. Right now, a new casino would require council approval and majority support in a referendum - huge political challenges with only a medium chance of success. In other words, not the kind of gamble you'd want to make for a billion-dollar project...
I'm sticking with the original premise of the article. Rob Ford said this was his greatest achievement during the run up to the election, and there's nothing to show for it. And if this is a deal that he claims to have got done, boy he must have really screwed up if all these problems came up.
The person I heard from was the Director of Business Services from the Economic Development & Culture Division of the City of Toronto. I could dig through my notes and find the exact date and time of the call but I'm not sure that's necessary.
Further, I never said the project is contingent on the province "granting a casino" because that's not how the process works, as I mention above. The province was intimately involved in the negotiations for the development, even though the actual planning approvals come from the city, as we all know.
I haven't provided links because some research involves more than just a google search. I guess you'll just have to believe or not believe what I'm saying on this friendly little post.
I'm not putting "the blame on everyone else but the guy who says 'I Did That'," I'm just trying to add a little more insight to a very complicated project. Again, I'm not attacking Rahim's story and I'm extremely happy this issue is being raised.
fucking hell.
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Woodbine Live! is toast because there is a suit between Woodbine Entertainment and the builders, Cordish Company...nothing to do with Rob Ford - Cordish is suing Woodbine
Hallo hallo? Nothing to do with the fat drunk liar who boasted to all who would swallow his bullshit raw:
"'I know how to deal with CEOs of huge corporations - that's how I landed the largest development in Toronto's history.'"
Obviously the morbidly obese pathological liar in the mayor's office didn't bother to do any due dilligence with regards to debt/equity ratios of the "huge" Cordish company. No....he was so fascinated/overwhelmed with their corpulent corporate culture, while he was getting them (and him) drunk and stuffed with pork, that he neglected to see the shaky foundation under their "hugeness".
Well done Blob Frod. What's next? Are you negotiating with Nortel to build a race track for fat pols to waddle around so you and your bloated conbot alky buds can "Trim the Waist"?
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