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Is the TTC ready to smarten up (on fare collection)?

Posted by Guest Contributor / March 1, 2012

201231-ttc-turnstile.jpgIn the wake of last week's robbery at Dupont Station, there has been much discussion about fare collection and station staffing. In his characteristically delicate and factually-accurate fashion, Doug Ford suggested that automated fare collection might the solution to reduce temptation to criminals. Given the Ford brothers love of unions, his statement immediately caused some confusion as to whether he was simply suggesting more fare automation or using safety as an excuse to remove staff from the stations entirely. Cue much ado.

Regardless of the Councillor's specific meaning, the topic is an interesting one given the transition the TTC finds itself in as it moves towards adopting the Presto smartcard system and starting construction on its first "real" LRT lines. These two factors will allow the TTC for the first time to seriously consider the question of whether staff should be in any kind of "station" at all and what their roles should be. As always, it can be helpful to study the world outside the 416 for some case studies and guidance.

First, the issue of smartcards. Discussed ad naseum over the past couple years, the details no longer matter. What matters is that Toronto will finally be getting one. A quick survey of major transit systems shows that most have indeed now moved towards adopting some form of smartcard.

Smart Card ChartWith such technology in place, whither the token clerk? Once it fully adopted its Metrocard (technically not a smartcard but an earlier generation of stored-value card) and killed the token, New York made several highly publicized attempts to reduce the number of its "token booths" and staffing levels. Though there has been some resistance, and all stations remain staffed at all times, there are many fewer clerks now in the system. Fares are still sold at booths, but most transactions have been shifted to automated vending machines, which are more numerous than booth attendants and typically have a shorter line.

Even with these changes, violent robbery attempts do still occur in New York from time to time, so why not eliminate selling tickets from the booths entirely? Several cities such as Boston, Chicago and Washington DC have gone this route, where stations remain staffed with customer service agents but all fare transactions must be conducted at the automated machines at all times.

Some smaller subway systems have taken the next step and eliminated all staff, relying not only on automated machines to sell turnstile or Proof of Payment fares but also cameras and phone stations to provide security. Notable examples include Vancouver, New York's PATH system, Philly's PATCO system and the Los Angeles Metro.

Finally, with the fares moved to machines and the staff gone, should the turnstiles disappear as well? Nearly every LRT system in the world uses Proof of Payment (POP), even for systems like Seattle, Pittsburgh or San Diego that have underground segments. However, Boston and San Fransisco do use turnstiles for their underground LRT stations and Los Angeles is now installing them. Cleveland did just the opposite in 2009, removing turnstiles from their subway stations because they already had POP in use on their connecting light rail lines. The cost of turnstiles is ultimately a calculation of equipment and maintenance weighed against likely lost revenue from fare-dodgers.

What does all of this mean for Toronto? As the smartcard table shows, the TTC has hardly been on the bleeding edge of fare collection technology or operations. The trend from peer cities seems to indicate a future of all-automated fare collection with staffed customer service attendants only where warranted (i.e. all subway stations and the interchange underground Eglinton LRT stations). With even the streetcars removing the handling of cash from drivers change is in the air. It just won't be in the token booth.

Guest contribution by Larry Green

Lead photo by Scott Snider

Discussion

55 Comments

EveryonesOpinion / March 1, 2012 at 04:18 pm
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After a couple of trips to Los Angeles & used their subway system, I've always wondered why does Toronto have people manning the booths? It was so fast & efficient to use the automated machines. While I could've avoided paying altogether, the risk of being caught in another country wasn't worth the $1.50.
bob / March 1, 2012 at 04:25 pm
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Smartcards don't stop crime. They just relocate it somewhere else. Perhaps a place with non union workers.
Mlt / March 1, 2012 at 04:32 pm
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• Implement Presto already, this shouldn't take 3 years.
• Automated ticket/pass machines that accept cash, credit and debit.
• Toronto enters the 21st century.
Archaic / March 1, 2012 at 04:43 pm
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How does Toronto keep believing it is a world class city? There are not enough subway lines in the city and our stations look like Pyongyang, North Korea. Get with the times!
auto / March 1, 2012 at 04:43 pm
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used the smartrip in Washington D.C. loved it, much faster then booth collector.
me replying to a comment from bob / March 1, 2012 at 04:46 pm
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great argument... wait wtf are you talking about?
ML replying to a comment from Mlt / March 1, 2012 at 04:51 pm
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Agreed. If some subway stations have Presto, why can't all of them? I have to carry tokens to go home from work because THAT station doesn't have a Presto, but I can use it from Go/Union. Silly.

Also don't understand why it'll take so many years to implement on buses and streetcars either.
ML replying to a comment from Mlt / March 1, 2012 at 04:55 pm
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I also like that the NYC Metrocards' "weekly pass" is a week from the day you buy it. Not like our current "set" weeks. No flexibility! Ugh. So archaic!!
Ratazana / March 1, 2012 at 04:57 pm
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POP is already in the plan as the new fleet of streetcars replacing the CLRV will require POP due to multiple entrances on the vehicle. That's next year! The question would be whether the whole TTC will go POP at the same time. Would make sense if Presto is introduced before the new streetcars arrive in order to take full advantage of the features.

Don't know if Token will be completely gone as you will still need to cater to customers who wants single/cash fare. A one time user (e.g. tourists) will not want to buy a Presto card. Perhaps token will be gone but cash fare machines (that will print out POP) will be installed in all stations.
Mlt replying to a comment from Ratazana / March 1, 2012 at 05:00 pm
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One time users can purchase tickets at automated machines, this is pretty common. It also reminds me of how ridiculous the transfer system on the TTC is but that's another topic for another time.
al / March 1, 2012 at 05:16 pm
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I know the oyster card system in London pretty well, and it is always a tip for any tourist to get one, the card cost 3 pounds, and have cheaper fares. It also has the advantage in that it calculates the cheapest method for you based on the whole days use. And if you lose the pass your credit is stored centrally, no more lost metropass

The TTC should implement a similar strategy so everyone uses them.

They have so many advantages!
Toronto Todd replying to a comment from Archaic / March 1, 2012 at 05:23 pm
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Umm, our stations look like this?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Metro_ionguevane.jpg
Jacob replying to a comment from Archaic / March 1, 2012 at 05:53 pm
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Have you ever been in a New York City subway station?

Hot, humid, smelly, and looking like a industrial-age nightmare.
mike / March 1, 2012 at 05:54 pm
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Just because you implement Presto doesnt mean the worker leaves the station. You still need someone there for a few reasons. Emergencys in station,people needing change,directions etc etc. In New York even though they have a Presto like system, they still have a manned booth.

Aaron / March 1, 2012 at 06:06 pm
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Looking forward to at least 5 years or more of monumental screwups, missed deadlines and half-assed implementation before this ever gets on track. Can't wait to see how ghetto and overcrowded the filthy, leaky, mold-encrusted 'system' is by then.
Kieren / March 1, 2012 at 06:15 pm
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We don't need to look to New York, just look at Montreal FFS.
iSkyscraper replying to a comment from Jacob / March 1, 2012 at 06:16 pm
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Jacob, you must not have been in New York since the Dinkins administration. While many stations are indeed hot and humid, something that is pretty much impossible to change, the station renovation program here in NYC far exceeds what the TTC has done. Stations like Times Square, Columbus Circle, Union Square and W96th St are now gleaming updates of their original historical selves, while other stations like Coney Island look like a full-blown European central train station. The new Fulton Transit Center (a whole bunch of stations captured under a glass oculus) has no architectural parallel in Toronto. Sure, there are still a hundred rundown crappy stations that look terrible but at least they are balanced by the improved ones. What does Toronto point to as a flagship station, Yonge-Bloor? Union? Ha. It's even more hilarious when you consider that the original TTC stations were modeled nearly exactly on the New York IRT stations and at the time were considered aesthetically superior. The student has become the master has become the student again.

In any case, we're off topic. Re fares, I think POP for the entire system would be a very, very interesting idea. Toronto is not all that different than Berlin in its size, density and transit setup (however skeletal)... Could it be done? If the city's true future is a hop-on, hop-off transit city (lower case) filled with streetcars, buses, LRT and subway, why not? Ditch the 1950s rigidity in one fell swoop, make a monthly Presto all but a requirement of city living, and let freedom ring.
Aaron replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / March 1, 2012 at 06:20 pm
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LOL! This is the first time I've ever heard the names 'Toronto' and 'Berlin' mentioned together while discussing transit. Or anything else, for that matter.
Skube / March 1, 2012 at 06:30 pm
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Google already has driverless cars on California highways. You figure driverless streetcars and subways would be easy.
Dean replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / March 1, 2012 at 06:31 pm
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"Toronto is not all that different than Berlin in its size, density and transit setup (however skeletal)"

Maybe from what you read on Wikipedia, but not in real life.
Gillian / March 1, 2012 at 06:33 pm
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In Dublin, Ireland they don't have monthly or weekly passes, they have 30, 7, 5, and 1 day passes. It's a declining balance and the days are valid for one year. They implemented these cards during their recession. Why can't Toronto do so during our growth period??
iSkyscraper replying to a comment from Aaron / March 1, 2012 at 06:47 pm
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I've spent some time in Berlin and was struck by some of the unexpected similarities to Toronto. Because of postwar rebuilding, it's more of a North American style city than you might think. And because of Soviet-style apartment blocks, it looks more like Thorncliffe / St. James Town / Regent Park than western european cities. Sure, the transit system there is unbelievable and looks like TTC/GO on steroids mixed with Red Bull and 5-Hour-Energy, but it's not a terrible model and the most comparable POP I could think of. Or maybe I just drank too many hefeweizens... never mind.
steve replying to a comment from Toronto Todd / March 1, 2012 at 06:57 pm
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Built by slave labour
mr. hood / March 1, 2012 at 07:49 pm
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this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpm-ZIPMeOQ

they have it right,

and toronto should go to a zone fare as well...

Fud / March 1, 2012 at 07:52 pm
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Montreal's fare system is fantastic. I'm jealous of the efficiency and speed of that system. Why is Toronto's fare the most expensive yet we're paying for a highly outdated system?! It's as if our local government doesn't want us to actually use public transit. Set the bar so damn low that anything will impress us. By the time Presto is implemented, we'll probably be paying $10/fare. F*ck you, Toronto. You are pretentious, overpriced, and inefficient. Frankly, if you were a boyfriend, I would break up with you.
Foghorn O'Kalashnikov / March 1, 2012 at 09:05 pm
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My preference would be to bring in NY/Dublin/etc style vending machines. Then get the staffers on the station floor instead of hiding behind posters and stickers in the booths. Have them a jack of all trades in keeping their station running ie providing directions, helping tourists/newbies use ticket machines, picking up discarded Metro newspapers, and mopping the floors inside the entrances of slush and rain in bad weather and the like.
no1 / March 1, 2012 at 09:21 pm
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A big issue for me is that I can only use cash to buy TTC tokens. For crying out loud, what does it take to enable a transit rider to purchase tokens (or any other type of fare) with a credit card?? The TTC is stuck in the 1950s.
Jay / March 1, 2012 at 09:27 pm
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@ Bob - he has it right. This will just move the robberies to another place a criminal will target.

With that said, Toronto should move to a smart-card system if it's more efficient and cost effective. The decision should not be baste soley on safety of fare collectors. I can swipe my credit card at just about any parking lot, coffe shop, or whatever in the city. Pizza delivery can do wireless debit. There is no reason I should not be able to hop on a bus and just swipe my debit or credit card for my fare.
Amesk replying to a comment from Jay / March 1, 2012 at 10:05 pm
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All it takes is the right Credit Card vendor to handle your payment requests.
uh / March 1, 2012 at 10:30 pm
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Vancouver does it right... different cost for how far your travel... you get to use the system for 2 hours or something so you can actually get out and take a break or if it is a quick trip.... TTC is so backwards
Aaron replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / March 1, 2012 at 11:09 pm
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I spent a total of 6 months in Berlin and other than the high quality infrastructure, completely buried hydro, 24 hour bars, 24 hour liquor sales, legal public drinking, legal prostitution, beautiful historic preservation, cutting-edge modern architecture, high quality buildings, inexpensive housing, video public phones, free public internet kiosks, free public wi-fi zones, 100's of public toilets, 10 U-bahn lines, 15 S-bahn lines, 22 EFFICIENT tram lines, high speed rail, over 150 museums and attractions.. you're right, it is very similar to Toronto!
iSkyscraper replying to a comment from Aaron / March 1, 2012 at 11:36 pm
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Enough, I surrender. I was just searching for a system-wide POP comp.
NoWay replying to a comment from Archaic / March 1, 2012 at 11:38 pm
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No way! Pyongyang has WAY NICER subway stations than this so-called "world class city".... Ours are more like entering a time machine if you're willing to look past all the dirt and grime that NEVER gets cleaned up.... Oh and people screwing on the platforms...
NoWay replying to a comment from Archaic / March 1, 2012 at 11:38 pm
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Don't believe me? Looks here; http://www.ask.com/wiki/Pyongyang_Metro
James replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / March 1, 2012 at 11:48 pm
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Can't comment on the full scope of the renovations or what stations previously looked like since i'm a relatively new transplant but in terms of cleanliness, Toronto fares fare better. Yes, some stations in NY are gleaming and new, but some are still dumps.

Taking the train to JFK is depressing until you get to Howard Beach. I think the metrocards are great but I often have to swipe my debit/credit card times ten times before I can purchase one. Not the end of the world, but it is still annoying. Same goes for the multiple swipes through the turnstyles.

I also recognize that there is a ton of work being done on the various lines, but it's pretty annoying at times. The L is constantly down on weekends, and when that happens, it's a nightmare. A few weeks ago, stood at Morgan waiting for the bus, and had to wait for 4 buses to pass through before I was able to get on one. Also, just flew in to Newark recently when the L was down, and it took about an hour and half to get home from Port Authority when a normal trip with fully functioning lines would have been 30 mins.

NY kicks TO's ass hands down, but it's still by no means perfect.
Gline replying to a comment from Fud / March 2, 2012 at 12:04 am
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So why the frack don't you leave Toronto, then? One less whiny asshole/moron like you would be better for the city anyway.

As to replacing tickets and tokens with whatever mod and coll electronic card exists, here's some alternate views:

The transit systems are in the business of transportation, not novelties.

The bus routes in Toronto are already overflowing, any new spending at this time should be on more frequent service, not attracting people simply entertained by the beep, or whatever sound this thing makes when you swipe it.

In fact, bring your credit card to my house and I will make a beep sound and withdrawal money from your account, today!

From another wiser person:

As for illiminating the fare media...forget it. One of the things the TTC does very well...is know their customer. They kept the token for one very good reason....a LOT of TTC patrons like them. Look at how many people drop cash in the fare box...there's absolutely no reason for it...fare media is available absolutely everywhere, and there's the added incentive of making it cheaper...yet people still drop cash in the farebox in huge numbers. Why? Because people are quirky that way, and always will be...and the TTC knows all the little quirks, cause that's their business....they aren't bean-counters and analysts who pull abstract ideas out of their ass.

No, this will not illiminate any fare media...but just add another one...and one most TTC riders won't see any benefit from.

And choice riders aren't going to be attracted either...they fall into one of a few catagories....ones that actually have metropasses...ones that just keep a few tickets or tokens around "in case" they might make the odd trip, ones who prefer to just pay cash, and tourists/visitors, who aren't about to go get a Presto card.

The only useful purpose of these integrated fare cards is an integrated fare structure. And the only useful purpose of an integrated fare structure, is to encourage more ridership via more people transfering between various regional transit systems. And the only useful way to do that, is to offer some kind of incentive in the way of reduced fares. But is that what they are doing? Nope...it's still going to cost you the full fare to transfer to another transit system.

And who is it that needs to make all these connections between transit systems? Generally, it's the 905 municipal transit systems and GO....416 TTC residents are the least likely to need to transfer onto other systems....especially GO Transit.

And I'm also simply not inspired by the cool "techy" alure of these things...what is our obsession with all this anyway? Nothing works better than the incredibly low-tech fare box. They last forever, and maintenance consists of the occaisional wipe with a damp cloth.

Hey....I'm not against card readers and such...they can move things along when it's busy at the entrypoint. I just don't see them as the savior like many do.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=490958&;page=2

Jordan / March 2, 2012 at 04:40 am
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In any case - you'll still need someone at some booths to actually sell / give out the presto cards. In London you have to go to a booth and fill in a form before you get the oyster card - I'd assume this would be the same for Presto.

Though otherwise - I think the best bet would be automating most ticket collecting. To keep them secure - they could allow an outside buissness ( coffee shop / convenience store ) to move in and be in charge of security for the whole building. They could provide discounted rent to sweeten the pot.
dnr / March 2, 2012 at 07:28 am
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For once Doug Ford is right. The smart card is the way to go. Currently you've got TTC employees who are just killing time while you walk by and flash them something. Most don't even look up. I usually have a legitimate transfer but every time I'm at Runnymede Station in the mornings I purposely use something else to see if I get caught. Never. I've been doing this since last Oct. I once flashed my iPod.
Paul replying to a comment from Gline / March 2, 2012 at 09:26 am
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Very well put, Gline. The existing fare collection system works quite well. There needs to be a compelling business case before investing tens or hundreds of millions of dollars on a replacement. "New York's is cooler!" is not a business case. There is no question that an automatically reloading fare card would be more convenient for me -- but would it reduce costs or increase revenues for the system? I'm skeptical.

The TTC should also not be saddled with huge implementation costs for systems like PRESTO, which are 95% for the benefit of people who don't live here.

I have been on transit systems around the world. They all have quirks. Long waits between trains, carpeted cars... it's often amusing to pick up the local paper in other cities and see the same kinds of discussions that we're having in Toronto about local politics, public space and public services.
Tommy / March 2, 2012 at 10:29 am
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Another point not many people seem to make is vehicle load times. POP will enable faster load times, but for vehicles that will still require you to swipe when you get on (i.e. buses), there is usually a 1 second delay for the smart cards, per passenger. Watching a crowd of people get on a bus in Montreal was INFURIATINGLY slow, as each person had to wait for their 'beep'. The new machines on the YRT buses have the same problem.
the lemur replying to a comment from Gline / March 2, 2012 at 10:38 am
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Some reasons why tokens and tickets might be eliminated:

1. The expense and hassle of getting tickets and tokens made, distributing them around the system and collecting the cash, the forgery problem, token hoarding by riders and the TTC alike when a fare increase is on the way, the security issue involved in keeping cash in booths.

2. Fare evasion, transfer fraud. When your entry to the system is not dependent on waving something that may or may not be a valid transfer or dropping something that looks like it could be a token into a fare box, and access is obtained by either paying cash in view of another person or scanning/swiping a valid fare medium, the potential for losses is much smaller.

What we could have instead:

1. Cash fares, exact change on surface vehicles. Good for occasional users and visitors.

2. Simple paper tickets/passes with a magnetic stripe, good for a given number of trips.

3. A reloadable pass on which funds are stored at the user's discretion, encoded for regular, child, student or senior fare. NOT a pass that is good for exactly one calendar week/month only.

Sure, an automated system costs money to implement and operate, which is why the TTC has dragged its feet on this for so long. People wandering into bus bays off the street and cadging free rides aren't without expense either, nor those BS pass verification things (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joeclark/4304621582/), nor challenging riders regarding their pass or transfer.
Ratpick / March 2, 2012 at 12:04 pm
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Let's hope the TTC gets it together, but they have a long way to go.

Out of a dozen or so turnstiles at St. Andrew Station, fewer than half accept Metropasses. The rest are token-only. Bizarre.
Alex / March 2, 2012 at 01:28 pm
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Don't all those cities get a ton more in transit money from the govt? I thought Montreal alone got %50 more than us (we get ~$0.80 and they got ~$1.50 a rider, something like that). So how can we compare them when the TTC just doesn't have the funding? That's like whining that McDonald's workers must be lazy, incompetent, and overpaid because the food isn't as good as the food you got at a fancy restaurant.
Gline replying to a comment from Alex / March 2, 2012 at 10:26 pm
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It's also dickish to be demanding things like RFID pay cards when people vote in governments that don't want to fully fund transit, like Ontarians did (and do) by voting in people like Harris and McGuinty at the provincial level and Harper at the federal level. If people want to see more subways built and RFID pay card systems implemented, they have to start voting in the parties who will fund transit fully, not neocon lite mediocrities like McGuinty and full asshole neocons like Harris and Harper. They also have to accept that they will have to pay taxes for these things to be built as well.
Will replying to a comment from mr. hood / March 3, 2012 at 09:22 am
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Go to distance-base fares like on BART and MetroRail in DC. The only thing we will lose are the bus bays in the fare-paid zone.
j. / March 3, 2012 at 10:28 am
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I live in NYC and while the system is good, it isn't perfect. The one biggest example of this is the waste of metro cards. Once a card is empty, while you can refill it, most people just throw them out or throw them on the street.

Hong Kong has it right, once the card is empty the turnstile takes the card.
Jernyezra / March 4, 2012 at 03:58 am
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TTC sucks, according to most of the Hong Kong Torontonians.
Please, do something to save TTC. Smart card? Vending machine on every station? Security? Could somebody clean the streetcars? Do something, please. Tell the Ontario govt to give us back the budget that we deserve. Toronto is the economical capital of Canada. How could we let our city screwed? We used to have the budget but the stupid govt cut them all in the 90s!
Most of your stations are not friendly at all towards the disabled.
Jernyezra / March 4, 2012 at 04:00 am
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By the way, I hate those new immigrants and natives throwing rubbish on the vehicles and platforms!
60CARLTON / March 4, 2012 at 09:03 am
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From Toronto but currently live in Hong Kong.

The entire transit system runs off one card - Octopus Card - and it's used on all forms of transit: subways, bus, streetcars and airport/suburban trains. It can also be used at shops like 7/11, McDonalds and almost all city wide franchised businesses. Not to mention taxis. You can top it up at corner stores and at stations and EVERYONE has one and is used almost in lieu of cash and debit cards and it just needs to be touched to be credited/debited. I hate HK yet this system is amazing and makes searching for change or having to break a $20 at a friggin' Coffee Time at 2am a thing of the past.

Spent a few years in London and they also have the "Oyster" card, a transit wide system that can be topped up almost everywhere. Both systems work so great and other than NYC, nothing in NA comes even close to what transit systems abroad have done. We need to look at these systems and leap frog our NA peers, not enough vision here I'm afraid.

NOTE: I love the TTC and the city and miss it dearly and reading of the mess Ford's making is troubling. As a temporary outside looking in, logic shows that LRT is the way to go and every study/expert shows this and was voted on. How has Toronto not stood up and forced this jackass responsible for delaying the city's transit and costing it Millions in his idiotic stunt.
Ben / March 4, 2012 at 10:47 am
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Vancouver has had automated payment machines since 1986. In the 2000's they were upgraded to accept debit and credit as well.
Meanwhile on the TTC... show up to a station with a $5 bill, and good luck of getting on the train if there's no attendant on duty. Not sure why the machines at each station accept $10's and $20's but not $5's... Who designs such garbage?
And yes the stations do look like something out of Pyongyang, North Korea. I guess they compliment the borderline third world conditions above ground in most of the city though... all the decaying brick, bedbug, roach and mice infested buildings.
60CARLTON replying to a comment from Ben / March 4, 2012 at 02:19 pm
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That's nice about the automated system in Van Ben... The only problem is that once you pay and on the train, you're still in Vancouver and ergo in one f the boringest cities on earth. It's may be cleaner but only because it's one giant starbucks franchise and full of dull, uninteresting people. Toronto has heart and a soul and Vancouver is a mall.
how get a boy friend / March 6, 2012 at 11:54 am
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RDK / March 7, 2012 at 12:54 pm
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No, We need to hire more collectors and keep the current system.

Don't break what works so well.




NOT.
AC / March 7, 2012 at 11:54 pm
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Get me outta here.
Smrt replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / March 14, 2012 at 12:57 pm
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Lol @ Berlin and Toronto being approximately the same. That really is hilarious;

http://fakeisthenewreal.org/subway/

Find the graphic showing all the transit lines that have some sort of card technology behind them to be very sad. It won't be until 2015 until Presto is fully implemented? Really? Why? Do they have 1 person hand building, painting and programming each Presto unit?

Pretty normal however that Toronto starts to catch up with the rest of the world, as the rest of the world looks to move on. Wake me up when you can purchase a monthly pass that lasts for 30 consecutive days, not a defined calendar month, in Toronto.

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