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TTC board votes to terminate GM Gary Webster

Posted by Derek Flack / February 21, 2012

Gary Webster Fired TTCIn the least surprising news of the day, the TTC board voted 5-4 to terminate General Manager Gary Webster shortly after 5 p.m. this afternoon. The board deliberated in-camera (i.e. privately) for approximately three hours before returning to the public eye to proceed with the vote. As expected, the same councillors who signed the petition to call the special meeting of the board made up the majority needed to fire Webster without just cause: Norm Kelly, Cesar Palacio, Vince Crisanti, Frank DiGiorgio and Denzil Minnan-Wong.

TTC Chair Karen Stintz and Commissioners Maria Augimeri, Peter Milczyn, and John Parker voted against the proposal to terminate the GM, who has served the TTC for 35 years. That this move is political goes without saying, but the big question is where the TTC goes from here. Along with the severance that Webster is due — estimated at $500,000 — it may prove a challenge to replace him with a qualified candidate. Not only that, some are calling for city council to disband the TTC board, which is within its rights to do.

Stay tuned, the fireworks may be just beginning.

Photo by Mariam Matti

Discussion

53 Comments

john / February 21, 2012 at 05:59 pm
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What an embarrassment. I can't believe we have elected officials who fail to understand the importance of a non-partisan civil service. Firing Webster (who I am actually no particular fan of) because he produced a report Ford didn't like is the most childish bullshit I've ever seen at the municipal level. Ford is a small man with a cowardly approach to governing. The subways vs LRT debate is small potatoes compared to this -- Ford needs to be stopped. This is outrageous.
lowrez / February 21, 2012 at 06:01 pm
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Fired for refusing to be the lying sycophant Ford wanted him to be.
Hyatt / February 21, 2012 at 06:07 pm
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Rob Ford needs to be fired. How do we do this?
webster / February 21, 2012 at 06:07 pm
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so those councillors that fired webster, their ttc commission jobs are up on the block on mar. 5 when council shuffles the commission. it so needs to be overhauled. So many ex-ford allies now standing against him, looks like 25 councillors now are voting against ford.
jeb / February 21, 2012 at 06:08 pm
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How do we fire Ford? There must be some way to get rid of him.
tekhead74 / February 21, 2012 at 06:09 pm
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This makes me wanna run away. or arm up.

They neeed to stop drinking Ford's Kool-aid.

it IS poison/toxic.
Soren / February 21, 2012 at 06:12 pm
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Disgraceful. Councillors Norm Kelly, Cesar Palacio, Vince Crisanti, Frank DiGiorgio and Denzil Minnan-Wong should pay Webster's severance pkg and not the taxpayers.

Time to recall Rob Ford - what an embarrassment to Toronto.

JJ / February 21, 2012 at 06:15 pm
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Councillors Kelly, Palacio, Crisanti, DiGiorgio and Minnan-Wong have made their decisions. Let them know how you feel about it.

councillor_kelly@toronto.ca, councillor_palacio@toronto.ca, councillor_digiorgio@toronto.ca, councillor_minnan-wong@toronto.ca, councillor_crisanti@toronto.ca

Ask them what justification they have for spending half a million dollars in taxpayer money to terminate the contract of a man who had 10 months left on his current contract. Ask them what they plan to do if Webster decides to file a wrongful dismissal suit against them. Ask them on what grounds he was terminated, other than DoGiorgio's assinine comments that he didn't want to play along with the Mayor's plans.

Webster presented the facts. He did his job as a professional engineer, relying on the data that he had in front of him. The Mayor's vision for Subways was not supported by the facts, plain and simple.

This may well be the tipping point of this administration. Bombard the councillors who voted to oust Webster. Email them, call them, demand an explanation. Tell them to stop delaying and bickering about transit plans that don't have any funding attached to them, and tell them to get on with building SOMETHING, preferably the system that a majority of council approved.
Ryan / February 21, 2012 at 06:21 pm
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I wanted to share my Gary Webster story with Toronto. He promoted my grandfather back in the 80s at the TTC and was the last thing my grandfather and I talked about before he died.

Just for some context on the man. http://www.ryanosullivan.ca/?p=15551
Todd Toronto / February 21, 2012 at 06:21 pm
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"Now that the City of Toronto has dismissed Gary Webster, I have decided to give the City as much money as it needs to build the Sheppard subway extension, bury the entire Eglinton LRT, and commit to any other transit project the City desires, so long as they are underground. I should point out that the Ontario economy is booming, and we have money to spare."

- Dalton McGuinty

[not really]
parkdillyo / February 21, 2012 at 06:24 pm
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he should sue the city for millions
Anthony replying to a comment from john / February 21, 2012 at 06:27 pm
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I agree, but isn't it true that senior managers have been given the axe without just cause (for political reasons) many times in the past, under different mayors? Let's not forget that we get to fire too.
matts / February 21, 2012 at 06:33 pm
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I see this as a huge victory for Rob Ford. He lost not 2 but around 170 pounds today, exceeding his own goal! Seriously, though, firing Webster is the shittiest move by Ford yet.
Mike / February 21, 2012 at 06:34 pm
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So is it safe to say, that we can no longer trust city employed experts, as they are just doing what the mayor wants to protect their job?
matts / February 21, 2012 at 06:35 pm
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I should also add that having recently bought a house in the ward represented by that neanderthal Norm Kelly, I'll have a few choice words for him.
Jildren replying to a comment from parkdillyo / February 21, 2012 at 06:35 pm
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He will. This will be rob fords legacy.
Speculator replying to a comment from Anthony / February 21, 2012 at 06:53 pm
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Why don't you give it a google and come back with an answer to your own question
Slim Stevedore / February 21, 2012 at 07:03 pm
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Sign the petition to have council remove Minnan-Wong, Di Giorgio, Kelly, Palacio, and Crisanti from the TTC board.
Slim Stevedore / February 21, 2012 at 07:06 pm
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Sign the petition to have council removeCouncillors Minnan-Wong, Di Giorgio, Kelly, Palacio, and Crisanti from the TTC board.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/ttcboard/
Anthony replying to a comment from Speculator / February 21, 2012 at 07:37 pm
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I don't actually have to do that. My point was made gently. While your lack of a point was stated in a snotty manner.
MB / February 21, 2012 at 08:10 pm
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Thanks JJ and Slim Stevedor for leaving comments about what we can do about this:

1.Email Councillors Kelly, Palacio, Crisanti, DiGiorgio and Minnan-Wong have made their decisions. Let them know how you feel about it.

councillor_kelly@toronto.ca, councillor_palacio@toronto.ca, councillor_digiorgio@toronto.ca, councillor_minnan-wong@toronto.ca, councillor_crisanti@toronto.ca

2. Sign this epetition to have council removeCouncillors Minnan-Wong, Di Giorgio, Kelly, Palacio, and Crisanti from the TTC board. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/ttcboard/
Ted replying to a comment from Anthony / February 21, 2012 at 08:25 pm
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No it wasn't. Try making your point with evidence not broad unsupported statement
Zach Swan replying to a comment from Speculator / February 21, 2012 at 08:45 pm
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Okay - fine:

"As for Webster, he’s not the first city bureaucrat to be pushed out of office and won’t be the last.

His predecessor, Rick Ducharme, quit because he said he couldn’t function with the constant meddling of then mayor David Miller’s TTC chairman, Howard Moscoe.

Indeed, during the Miller era, at least 10 senior City Hall bureaucrats were shown the door or left before it was slammed on them."
Speculator replying to a comment from Zach Swan / February 21, 2012 at 08:55 pm
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You are serious? Hey everybody! Ford Nayshun doesn't even understand the difference between quitting and being fired. Wow. So your evidence is that someone who disagreed with miller quit. You guys have got to be gassed by now.
Sam / February 21, 2012 at 09:02 pm
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I am deeply disappointed by the decision to fire a civil servant on the basis of not producing the "right" evidence on which to base public policy decision. This administration repeatedly demonstrates its inability to govern and take action with careful consideration of facts, fiscal considerations and responsible choices.

If you're serious about getting rid of Ford, or any Councillor for that matter, it is very important that you VOTE in the next election. Better yet, begin to think about your willingness to run yourself, or support someone who's willing. If that's not soon enough, get involved in your local planning committee, write letters, attend a Council meeting, etc, etc. It is so important that the people we elect bring forth ideas, a willingness to listen to others, an ability to compromise and make decisions that are in the best interests of Toronto citizens.
fordmorons replying to a comment from Sam / February 21, 2012 at 09:23 pm
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all i know is that Ford morons have declared war on my councillor luby. They said they will do everything in their power to have her loose the next election. I will volunteer for her and do all i can to get her re-elected just to piss of the ford morons.
Jay / February 21, 2012 at 10:07 pm
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Question for everyone so outraged: Where were you when Miller and his crew did the exact same thing?

I know it's very typical for lefties to be blatant hypocrites so please prove me wrong and post the links to where you vented your outrage at Miller in the past?
Eugene C replying to a comment from Sam / February 21, 2012 at 10:08 pm
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Please do not run yourself, it would just only divide the competition. Look at the last election when Ford won. He got 40-something % of the votes, but he won. Why? Because the left was split among Smitherman and others. We need a one strong contender on the left (or even centre). If 10 people on the left run, that would only guarantee a Ford administrator for 4 more years.
foo replying to a comment from Jay / February 21, 2012 at 10:30 pm
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Jay:
If you are referring to Rick Ducharme, he quit. He wasn't fired by David Miller or via proxy through 5 douchebag councillors.

Have a feeling you won't concede this (very typical of "righties"), but that's the fact of the matter.
Mark / February 21, 2012 at 10:40 pm
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Pardon me Your Honour, Down with Webster is a popular band, not a political movement.
JP / February 21, 2012 at 10:44 pm
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Hes gonna get $500k i dont feel sorry for him at all. Go enjoy your retirement. The TTC was a mess under him and will continue to be a mess, he was collecting a pay check thats it. Everything about the TTC was a disaster under his leaderhip and everyone is now outraged hes gone. Last year everyone was complaining how crappy the TTC was. They were taking pics of sleeping workers, cel phone talking drivers etc etc etc. And now your outraged. Lets see what you have to bitch about tomorrow.
lyingrighties replying to a comment from Jay / February 21, 2012 at 10:47 pm
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once again you are spreading misinformation, something you righties are so good at doing, lying and spreading false info. Ducharme quit, so knock it off with crap you are always spreading.
Tony / February 21, 2012 at 10:50 pm
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It actually appears that Rob Ford is actually going to force Daltons hand. He is causing a huge stir that he is going to force Dalton McGuinty to make the decision on Transit in TO. Its like a poker game that McGuinty will lose. Think about it. He stalls and stalls. McGuintys hands are tied now because of the cuts he needs to make. The TTC was downloaded on the City of Toronto so Rob Ford is going to force him to take it back even though he doesnt want too.
Speculator replying to a comment from Jay / February 21, 2012 at 10:51 pm
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Speculator. This seems to be the new ford Nayshun line of defense. Completely inexcusable so the best they can come up with is 'but miller did it too!' please fucking provide proof he did it too! Zach swan offers that a man once quit because he was frustrated by miller. That isn't firing. Offer a guy miller fired for disagreeing or shut the fuck up. Please.
Speculator replying to a comment from Jay / February 21, 2012 at 10:54 pm
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And again with the lefties bs. You guys are trained monkeys. It isn't lefties it's lefties centrists and educated conservatives. You guys are calling the national post lefties for disagreeing with this incompetent brat. It's getting to be rigoddamndiculous.
City of Toronto Exfoliator / February 21, 2012 at 11:03 pm
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I'm going to be rubbing gravy powder all over myself tonight.
iSkyscraper / February 21, 2012 at 11:04 pm
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Sue Ann Levy and her ilk are claiming this is no big deal and pot calling kettle black since Miller fired or pushed out officials like Fantino during his time. Except that a) Fantino's contract expired and and was not renewed - he was not fired, and b) police chiefs actually are political appointments that people expect to be in line with the mayor, and c) his non-renewal was not explicitly the result of publicly refusing to say made-up shit.

Transit policy is engineering, not politics, at least when you are talking about the GM position. Engineers don't lie and they don't bow down to blowhards with a high school education.

You know, if Ford had come into office and said on Day 1 "I want a clean sweep of the TTC, a fresh start, new names and new ideas", people would have had no problem with replacing Webster (contract buyout issues aside). But this could not have been handled in a worse manner coming after the LRT truth-to-power.

It makes me wonder. What action could Ford take to make Sue Ann and the Sun editors turn on him? Hold a BBQ where he burns money? Shoot someone? He ignores gay pride, he ignores the media, he ignores democracy, he wastes money... and Sue Ann still loves him. Why?
AV / February 21, 2012 at 11:06 pm
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No lie, the brothers Ford are talking about installing Case Ootes as the permanent replacement for Gary Webster. Unbelievable
Just because it's a conspiracy doesn't make it untrue. replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / February 21, 2012 at 11:13 pm
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She is on the payroll. It will come out. She would have had batras position in a second but she is a much more effective pr person writing editorials in the sun.
Crony replying to a comment from AV / February 21, 2012 at 11:17 pm
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so what? ootes has been deputy mayor before too.
Bill Smolick / February 22, 2012 at 12:23 am
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I somehow doubt the need for a qualified candidate will be an impediment for Rob Ford.
Down With Webster / February 22, 2012 at 12:50 am
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awesome band!
Rmund / February 22, 2012 at 02:03 am
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I hear as part of his termination, Gary Webster gets $500,000 and a free Segway that runs on gravy.
Xavier / February 22, 2012 at 08:34 am
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Hopefully some new blood can make much needed changes at the TTC.
8.4 / February 22, 2012 at 08:45 am
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i say queen park should keep all the 8.4 billion and put it against the deficit and tell Toronto to go screw itself. That would make the rest of Ontario happy and Toronto can sit in the shit pile it created.
Craig replying to a comment from Just because it's a conspiracy doesn't make it untrue. / February 22, 2012 at 09:24 am
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NO, I think it's simpler than that: The Sun feels it has an obligation to provide a balance to the Star, no matter how misinformed it is.

It a paper that's expresses outrage that people are getting $110 tickets for illegally parking, but is cheering on $500,000 payout for personal vendetta.
Lololololol replying to a comment from 8.4 / February 22, 2012 at 09:45 am
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LOL, you suburban elitists are hilarious. You know nothing of which you speak. Perhaps you should stick to walking your dog and snooping on your neighbors' affairs.
Jacob replying to a comment from Craig / February 22, 2012 at 09:58 am
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If the Star said "the sky is blue", the Sun would say "the sky is red" and say that the Star held some sort of bias against the colour red.
Gibeans replying to a comment from Jacob / February 22, 2012 at 10:25 am
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And if the sun said the sun is red the star would say the the sun was blue. Holy shit. Are we onto something?
Facts!!! / February 22, 2012 at 11:22 am
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The Toronto Star's circulation is more than double that of the Toronto Sun.

That's all you need to know about that.
Alex / February 22, 2012 at 12:50 pm
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This should be all the proof anyone needs that politics should be relegated to a "go"-"no-go" choice when it comes to technical matters like transit. When someone can be fired for telling the truth we have hit a new low. Let the transit body come up with a proposal, and then let the politicians say yes or no on it. Politicians should not be deciding where a new transit line goes, or in what form it should take, since they have no expertise in that area. All the politicians can do is say "you have X amount of money, now show me what you can do with it".

If the last GM quit because of political meddling (which should have been evidence enough to remove politicians from major TTC planning), and the current one was fired for telling the truth, then we definitely need to look at the root cause of all this, which is people with no experience or relevant skills trying to run something they are simply not competent enough to be involved in.
NICK WONG / February 27, 2012 at 07:04 pm
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All you idiots think with your emotion and not reasoning. First subway is the only way and future that Toronto has. Any other way is suicide and a waste of money. Secondly, Gary Webster should be fired a long time ago. If he is the general manager of a business of any of you idiots own, you would fire him too. Service going downhill, cost of labor going out of control. Every year loosing money big time. Bathing room at stations that haven't been renovate for 30 years. He must be sitting on his thumb and than lick it before he make any business decision. Ford might not be right 100%. But people who go against him on this matter must have their own secret agenda.
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