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Ford getting desperate on Sheppard subway extension

Posted by Derek Flack / February 29, 2012

Ford Compromise Sheppard SubwayWith every indication that the expert panel assembled to evaluate transit options on Sheppard East will endorse LRT, Rob Ford might be looking to make a compromise — one that could look a lot like what Karen Stintz proposed just over a month ago before being shot down by the TTC board she chairs. Although it's not yet known exactly what Ford would be after in a scaled back Sheppard subway plan, based on comments made by Councillor John Parker to the Globe and Mail, it sounds like he's hoping to build as many stations as council will let him.

"The sense I get is the mayor is prepared to take a compromise," Parker told the paper. "What the mayor is talking about is taking the subway as far as he can take it with a view that when the money is available he'll take it further."

But is that really a compromise? Gordon Chong, the individual tasked with studying the economic feasibility of a Sheppard subway extension, was already talking about building one station at a time back in November. In other words, despite news that Ford has opened the lines of communication with fellow councillors in advance of a special council meeting to consider rapid transit options on Sheppard Avenue, what's yet to become clear is precisely what he might be willing to give up to get a few stations built.

We know from his opinion piece in the Globe last week that a parking tax is something he's warmed to, and now it sounds like road tolls might even be on the table. But those are alternate funding strategies for a line that the mayor seems only now to have realized won't be paid for exclusively by the private sector. What hasn't been mentioned in relation to what the Sun has termed Ford's "charm offensive" is a willingness to back down on burying the eastern end of the Eglinton Crosstown in an effort to raise subway funds.

Now that would actually be a compromise, but don't hold your breath on it happening. Appealing to other councillors is a good thing, but at this point in the game it seems like too little, too late.

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Discussion

20 Comments

frank / February 29, 2012 at 09:59 am
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I bet you that Stintz's proposal looks pretty good right now, eh Rob?
Joe Smith / February 29, 2012 at 10:04 am
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Remember who you are dealing with!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdJ_AqAg4LQ
iSkyscraper / February 29, 2012 at 10:09 am
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So let's say that in magical fairy land the Sheppard subway is extended a wee bit and suddenly crammed with riders. Yay! Oh, wait, now you have a full train dumping onto a full southbound train at Yonge station, because the TTC was too stupid to build Sheppard as a branch line rather than a separate route. Now what?

There is a reason why out of New York's 21 full subway lines, only ONE does not enter the core. And it remains as underused and nearly useless as Sheppard.

If Ford wants to play ball while sticking to his subways mantra, he should quickly switch to "Subways. People want subways. I go to Tim Hortons and people tell me they want subways. But it turns out subways are expensive. So let's build the Downtown Relief Line instead of Sheppard, which will benefit the whole city (since the core is the economic heart) and allow me to start a parking tax, er, charge city-wide to fund it."
stillalive / February 29, 2012 at 10:18 am
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don't count your eggs till they hatch a few councillors on twitter like the idea of this compromise. James Pasternak straight out on twitter and said he is supporting the mayor on the subway idea, he was one of the 25, ford plan is not dead yet, and councillors are starting to fall in line.

James Pasternak ‏ @JamesPasternak Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
$1 billion has already been invested in the Sheppard Avenue Subway. It would be folly to change course now.
erapp replying to a comment from stillalive / February 29, 2012 at 10:22 am
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$1 Billion was wasted by taking the line from Yonge to a Shopping mall. Let's not waste another 5 by making the mistake again.
You guys... replying to a comment from stillalive / February 29, 2012 at 10:56 am
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'fall in line' love your language. Like disagreeing with the crackpots pipedream is just misbehaving.
Pro-Ford Comment Trolls replying to a comment from stillalive / February 29, 2012 at 11:17 am
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yeahhh stayin alive!! u must have got the same email as us. We say FORD will win because SUBWAY's r what he SAID Egelington will get! Not LRT!!!! Haha actually in his campain he said Eglingtong will get nothing but SHHHHH DONT TELL ANYONE. Now the idiets will fALL IN LINE with us and the War On The Car will be won by the Cars!!!!!!1 p.s. DOUG FORD FOR NEXT MAYER
James Pasternak ‏ / February 29, 2012 at 11:33 am
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James Pasternak ‏ @JamesPasternak Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@StrashinCBC Always supported Sheppard Subway. Thought Stintz package was to have Sheppard subway. I was surprised it was carved off.
Taxpayer replying to a comment from James Pasternak ‏ / February 29, 2012 at 12:00 pm
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Surprised as in you were initially not paying attention or surprised as in you were paying attention but unable to comprehend?
fbhawk replying to a comment from erapp / February 29, 2012 at 12:29 pm
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excuse you, but that 'shopping mall' (don mills/sheppard) area also happens to be canada's fastest growing high density area for over a decade... have you seen the number of high rise residential builds already existing and nearly the same amount under-construction there?

There's a reason why Don Mill route 25 busses cannot cope with the over capacity of busses that are much more populated than streetcars in queen west. It's the highest used route on all of ttc surface vehicles.
Chris / February 29, 2012 at 01:03 pm
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This guy sure knows how to back himself into a corner. Hes gone from a private funding model to a full out war on the car. Next up will be installing parking meters on all suburban streets and ferris wheels at every new subway stop.

Good luck to him ever working out another deal with any other level of government after all this flip flopping.
Tommy replying to a comment from fbhawk / February 29, 2012 at 01:10 pm
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Quit spreading your lies: http://www.ttc.ca/PDF/Transit_Planning/Ridership_and_cost_statistics_for_bus_and_streetca_routes_20.pdf

So the solution is to push everyone onto the Sheppard subway and dump them onto the Yonge line?! Have you SEEN the Yonge line in rush hour? You can barely fit on a train at Sheppard, let alone anywhere south of that! The line is at 105% capacity.

But oh, wait, Don Mills WAS supposed to get an LRT line all the way to the Bloor-Danforth line to help alleviate crowding.
fdr replying to a comment from Tommy / February 29, 2012 at 01:40 pm
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Those are interesting stats.

So let me see if I have this right. The Sheppard line carries less than 50,000 riders per day (according to Wikipeida). The Queen and King streetcars collectively carry over 100,000 riders per day. Running the DRL under Queen would largely gather in all those riders (you'd probably have at least stub streetcars on the eastern most and westernmost portions to bring riders into the stations before the DRL angles upwards to hook in to Bloor at east and west connections) plus additional ones that use DRL to go from Bloor line downtown or to developing business areas like the brick-and-beam businesses rapidly grown east and west of downtown. And you're hooking into the Spadina streetcar, which looks to be one of the busiest lines.

Ford's right, seems like Sheppard extension is where we ought to put our money.
W. K. Lis / February 29, 2012 at 01:40 pm
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Do we follow Rob's advice to look for efficiencies in the TTC by building light rail where needed along Sheppard and heavy rail where needed for a Downtown Relief Line, or do we build Rob's gravy train by building heavy rail when light rail is more appropriate?
oh snap / February 29, 2012 at 02:15 pm
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oh snap!

Josh Matlow ‏ @JoshMatlow Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Mayor reportedly meeting w/ developers, considering tolls, new taxes, including reviving Vehicle Registration Tax to finance Sheppard subway
oh oh trouble in ford nation / February 29, 2012 at 02:16 pm
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robyndoolittle ‏ @robyndoolittle Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Fiscal conservative John Parker tells me he told Ford he would not support raising taxes or fees to pay for subways. That's not a good sign
agentsmith replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / February 29, 2012 at 03:16 pm
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No kidding, Ford wants to extend a subway line that's still WAY under the projected ridership 10 years after it opened, and even if it does ever pull decent numbers, it still dumps onto another line that's already at 105% capacity during rush hour. Brilliant!
Nick / February 29, 2012 at 04:48 pm
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Ford's mouthpiece, the Sun, has come out against the tax idea for his "vision" of a subway along Sheppard and says that if he can't finance it with ahem "efficiencies" then he should forget the whole idea. This is the first time I've seen the Sun disrespect Ford. See http://www.torontosun.com/2012/02/28/ford-should-bury-subway-tax-idea.
stopitman replying to a comment from agentsmith / February 29, 2012 at 08:06 pm
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Yup... the Bloor streetcar line had similar or higher people per direction per hour in 1954 than the Sheppard line does today, about 9,000. The Sheppard line is so anti-right wing/anti-fiscally responsible/anti-capitalist it's unbelievable that Lastman, Ford, and those "conservative" voters believe that it isn't any of those things.
Ray / March 2, 2012 at 01:36 pm
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Why can't the politician's quit talking and allow the construction crews to build the much need transit expansion in Toronto. There have been many plans approved and were financed, but yet went not built because of a stupid politician pissing contest! It truly is shameful how much money is wasted over transit planning. It would be interesting to for someone to compile the amount of money that Toronto has spent killing ideas, rather than building transit projects in the city. I am confident that it will be a staggering number.

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