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Finally a poll on Toronto transit plans that doesn't suck
Although the next municipal election is years away, following council's special meeting on transit planning, this has been the week of the poll. First Stratcom weighed in on the mayor's popularity and the degree to which Toronto is divided on transit strategy, and then Forum Research came along with its own survey, which seemed to indicate a clear preference for subways over at grade transit.
It wasn't too hard, however, to poke holes in some of the conclusions drawn from the data reported by each company. The question that served as the basis for Stratcom's poll misrepresented Rob Ford's transit plan, while the Forum Research poll included a virtually meaningless question that pitted LRT against subways with no additional context (The Toronto Sun, of course, picked up on that particular stat).
Enter Leger Marketing, who posed more specific questions and provided crucial background information to its online survey group. "When you ask people, 'do you prefer subways or light rail,' a razor-thin majority chooses subways. But when you let them compare the plans on the table today, there's a clear preference for City Council's light-rail plan," executive vice president of Leger Marketing Dave Scholz said in a press release.
Here are some of the findings Leger has reported today:
- 51 per cent believe Toronto should "keep the light-rail lines as voted on by City Council", while 38 per cent agree with the mayor's preference to "stop the light-rail lines and build subways instead."
- Only 32 per cent agree that "we should build subways because it's what Rob Ford promised in the election, and he has a mandate, even if it means overriding the city council's vote on the matter."
- 91 per cent believe that "smart transit planning is done for the long term and should not be changed every time a new government is elected."
- When asked to choose between subways and light rail in abstract terms, respondents prefer subways by a margin of 50 per cent to 40 per cent. However, 82 per cent agree that "Toronto should have a mix of subways, light rail, streetcars and buses, depending on the number of people living in the neighbourhoods."
Lest I get too congratulatory, it's worth noting that Leger is working with a considerably smaller sample than its counterparts. Its survey involved 504 respondents (both Stratcom and Forum Research were well above 1000), and yields a margin of error of 4.5 per cent 19 times out of 20.
Okay, no more posts on surveys/polls for this week. I promise.
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Got to get a rain check on pain
PS Vote for me when I run for MP.
Subway > LTR
Anyone that thinks different is doing something crazy...like considering costs or something.
Why don't you do some research and find out?
We'll wait.
We should build above-ground light rail if it allows us to build more rapid transit, more quickly, in more neighbourhoods in Toronto: 64% Agree, 32% Disagree
We should build subways in Toronto, because underground transit would be less disruptive to cars, even if it costs more and takes longer to build: 62% Agree, 34% Disagree
Presumably 62% of those surveyed also agreed with "have cake" and "eat cake"...
If politicians and the media would spend more time giving people facts and less time either telling them what to think or asking them for their knee-jerk uninformed opinions, perhaps we could have a serious debate about something.
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I think, in this case, you can't have a pure "abstract" point of view. The recent debates are very fresh in people's minds, and they're still answering the poll in the context of what happened last week.
It's very difficult to design a non-leading poll, but sometimes external influences are unavoidable.
All of us who don't own cars want more transit lines. But dividing those billions of dollars among a million-odd taxpayers adds up pretty fast, and we want to see something for the money spent. We want lines out to the airport and York University; we already have a line that goes to Scarborough Town Centre. It's about the taxpayers.
The first proposals for a subway start in 1909, nothing got built until 1946...It like a tradition or something.
Does that mean 9 per cent believe that smart transit planning is done for the short term and should be changed every time a new government is elected?
Oh and I wonder what that 91% thought about David Miller throwing out decades of subway feasibility planning done by all of his predecessors to put forward his own LRT-based propaganda?
How do you know if you are getting good unbiased transit analysis? If someone tells you LRT is nothing like St.Clair - they are wrong or lying. If someone tells you that LRT is exactly like St.Clair they are wrong or they are lying.
As with most issues in society, we all need to spend more time looking for similarities than differences.
LRT will not pay on the train, but before boarding, unlike the streetcar service on St. Clair
LRT will be composed of 3 or 4 joined cars, with a total capacity of hundreds, versus the capacity of 1 street car on St. Clair.
What about the above statements are lies or wrong? That's not even considering the differences between right of way or average speed, which remain to be determined.
If someone tells you that LRT is exactly like St. Clair, they are wrong or lying.
just look at this crazy traffic on St. Clare from 8:40 rush hour THIS MORNING
http://meslin-ohxz.posterous.com/traffic-chaos-heres-the-st-clair-nightmare-84
you cant even move!!!!
Rob FORD for presidant!!!!!!1