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Amended 2012 Toronto budget a blow to Ford's agenda

Posted by Derek Flack / January 18, 2012

Toronto Budget 2012It what was a whirlwind day at City Hall yesterday, an amended version of the 2012 Toronto budget passed 39-5 shortly after 7:30 p.m while a group of protestors clashed with police outside. Although Mayor Rob Ford would later characterize the day as a victory, the big story was the reversal of many of the cuts endorsed by the executive committee heading into the city council vote.

Councillor Josh Colle led the charge with a motion to repeal cuts to community grants, public swimming pools and arena hours, youth priority centres, homeless shelters and to save about $5 million in TTC funding (amongst other things). Coming from Cole, who's mostly stayed out of the headlines in his first year in office, the move seemed to catch the mayor and his allies by surprise. Not so for his fellow councillors, who would eventually vote in favour of the motion (23-21).

Along with Colle's motion, around an additional $4 million in cuts were overturned, the money for which will come from the 2011 surplus, currently estimated at $154 million. So while Ford did manage to keep the property tax increase at 2.5% (did anyone seriously speculate about raising this?) and though there will be cuts to city staff, the general sentiment is that his agenda took a significant blow.

At a brief press conference after the budget passed, Ford argued that the appetite of left-leaning councillors to spend remained out of control, comparing it to a tidal wave and that of "food in front of a dog."

"But we fended them off," he said in a less than triumphant tone when it was all said and done. Thing is, the councillors who voted to save services probably thought the same thing about Ford and his allies. I know who I think won. How about you?

Photo by Kevin Lam in the blogTo Flickr pool

Discussion

41 Comments

Grant / January 17, 2012 at 10:13 pm
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I think we all "lost"... about a year on this fight, for what? It was a manufactured crisis.

Toronto needs a Mayor with some vision for how this city is going to deal with the major urban issues of the next decade. The grid lock of GTA roads isn't going to be solved by ripping out a few bike lanes. Transit, sustainability, growth and development are complex problems that Mayor Ford has clearly demonstrated he has no grasp of what so ever.
Justin / January 17, 2012 at 10:21 pm
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How high are Toronto's taxes compared to other cities our size? I should probably google it.
ml / January 17, 2012 at 10:22 pm
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I'd like to know how my city counsellor voted, does anyone know how one would access this information?
Thanks.
Chris / January 17, 2012 at 10:53 pm
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Wong-Tam is the worst. Always kissing up to Del Grande.
Max / January 17, 2012 at 10:53 pm
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I am just glad they kept the TTC budget in there. Too much of that cost is being passed onto riders.
Keith replying to a comment from Chris / January 17, 2012 at 11:07 pm
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Lol I'm thinking you mean Minnan Wong. Unless you're telling a joke no one gets.
Jay replying to a comment from Max / January 17, 2012 at 11:12 pm
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Newsflash: if the city is paying for it, then you are paying for it in taxes.
MER1978 replying to a comment from Jay / January 17, 2012 at 11:33 pm
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Many who take transit live in the city... and thus pay property taxes... why should any of their property tax money go in to keeping the gardiner + dvp maintained? And what about potholes etc?
Mighty Max replying to a comment from Jay / January 17, 2012 at 11:36 pm
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Yeah, but the people who don't ride transit, drive and enjoy fewer (though not few enough) cars on the road don't have to pay $1488 a year for it.
sam replying to a comment from Justin / January 17, 2012 at 11:47 pm
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Torontonians didn't want to pay realistic taxes for the services they enjoy so there have to be cuts and this is why Ford was voted in along with many other like minded councilors.

No point in complaining about it now.
The 2.5 tax increase only covers what Ford tossed away in regard to plate tax / cancelling the transit city amounting to 125 million.

Ford will continue to respect taxpayers as his administration continues to slash services and raise taxes his remaining mandate.

Duane Brown / January 17, 2012 at 11:50 pm
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@Mighty Max & MER1978 .. you both should come to Melbourne, Australia and see how cars & transit work together to form a great city for getting around.

As a Canadian, and life long Torontonian outside of the last 5 months being here in Melbourne. I can tell you Toronto has a long way to go with how we treat people in cars and on transit. It's not either or in this case but about making a moveable city for both sides and the tourists that visit us.
Marlon / January 18, 2012 at 12:03 am
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This a win for both sides. Ford reigned in the budget and got council to bank most of the surplus. The left got to save most of the programs and prove to ford and minions that this isn't a dictatorship and compromise is a necessary part of democracy. Anyone who is complaining at this point is doing so simply for the love of complaining.

Ps be it noted ford nation if this was a federal or provincial government what happened today would be considered a vote of non confidence. You are not a majority.
Jay / January 18, 2012 at 05:49 am
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What does it always need to be characterized as a win for one side? Why do you need to continually be so divisive BlogTO? What I see here is a compromise which is a win-win. Overall the tide of out of control spending has been reigned in. Taxes went up to fund increases that come with inflation. And money was found to maintain programs council by majority deemed important.

Let's be clear Toronto is not out of the woods yet. We are still over a billion dollars behind in to aging sewers and other infrastructure improvements. We still have a bloated payroll at city hall. We still have costs downloaded by the province which create a large structural deficit. An since the province is broke there will be no money coming from Queens Park.

Toronto still has a lot of work to do to get out finances in order for the long term.
Jay / January 18, 2012 at 06:03 am
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@ Marlon - a budget needs to be defeated to be a non-confidence vote. This budget passed. All budgets get amended before they pass. Clearly you are seeing what you want to see.

If you think Toronto is still is good financial health I do not know what to say to you. We've eroded over
2 Billion in reserve funds. We have a backlog of over 1 billion in infrastructure spending. Toronto has millions of dollars in unfunded liabilities on the balance sheet. We still have a massive debt we are financing and will not come close to paying off in the next decade.

I cannot believe people think we can continue to increase spending.
Ha replying to a comment from Jay / January 18, 2012 at 07:59 am
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Yes Toronto does have a bloated payroll at city hall. It's too bad the mayor declined to cut the most bloated one of them all: the police budget.
Marlon replying to a comment from Jay / January 18, 2012 at 08:13 am
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Jay he voted against the amendments. If municipal politics didn't allow for councilors to vote on a budget despite the mayors position it would have been a standstill and there would be an election.

Pretty much every city has debt. Most Homeowners have mortgages it's the nature of investment.
Rob / January 18, 2012 at 08:22 am
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I really don't see how this is a 'win' or a 'blow' for either side. They both got what they wanted. Ford - less spending and most cuts. Councillors - they saved some programs from being chopped. I don't understand this need (and BlogTO isn't alone in this) to characterize this as a win-lose scenario. Did both sides want more? of course. If they want more, they can bring more forward at the budget meetings for next year.
Andrew replying to a comment from Grant / January 18, 2012 at 08:45 am
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Very well stated! +1
JLankford / January 18, 2012 at 09:12 am
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Interesting word filter on the Ford's charity list..

http://www.care2.com/causes/toronto-mayor-losing-weight-for-charity-just-not-gay-bicycle-aids-or-library-charities.html#ixzz1jonkjxGz
Mark / January 18, 2012 at 09:30 am
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I had to cry myself to sleep last night, darn lefties.
David S. replying to a comment from ml / January 18, 2012 at 09:35 am
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See how your councillor voted here;

http://www.thestar.com/news/cityhallpolitics/article/1117299--how-councillors-coalesced-to-defeat-mayor-rob-ford
Mark replying to a comment from JLankford / January 18, 2012 at 10:15 am
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There wouldn't be the filters if the jackasses didn't spam the site as soon as it went up.
Anthony / January 18, 2012 at 11:00 am
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What people dont talk about are the pending Legacy costs the city will have to endure. Sooner rather than later the city will be paying more for retired employees than actual people working for the city. How will the city be able to balance a budget then? This will go on every single year, the city will never be able to move forward. We can talk about transit, the arts, libraries, rinks etc. all we want but the fact is the city is heading for banruptcy unless Council, all them, want to tackle the real issues and get the city back on track. Most of them arent willing to do that.
MER1978 replying to a comment from Mighty Max / January 18, 2012 at 12:37 pm
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"Yeah, but the people who don't ride transit, drive and enjoy fewer (though not few enough) cars on the road don't have to pay $1488 a year for it."

Now that the city no longer gets a cut of the vehicle registration tax... literally the only direct money just from drivers is the 2.5 cents / litre share of the gas tax... as someone who commutes from downtown to Markham I probably put about 70 litres of gas in my car every month... so the city would get $1.75 / month or $21 / year from me.

Conclusion... unless your car is a rocket ship you are not paying $1488 per year to the city for the privilege of using city maintained roads.
Marc / January 18, 2012 at 12:44 pm
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Great! Who's going to pay for keeping all of these services running now?
Jacob / January 18, 2012 at 12:47 pm
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All I can about everything is that these will be four completely wasted years.

Toronto will sit on its butt, doing absolutely nothing but bicker with itself, while the world tries to move ahead.
The truth / January 18, 2012 at 12:57 pm
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We are because we can't and if you can't then leave.
The truth replying to a comment from Jacob / January 18, 2012 at 12:59 pm
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Tell me about it! Imagine pantalone won and we actually building and getting better instead of having to fight to be the same or slightly not as good as before?
Jay replying to a comment from MER1978 / January 18, 2012 at 01:32 pm
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Roads are allegedly paid for by gas taxes which are quite substantial if you examine the break down. Last time I checked about 30 cents of tax per litre of gas that people who use cars have to spend for roads. The province, the federal government and the municipal government all take their slice. If governments actually spent that money on roads I'd be impressed, but once it is in the hands of government officials all funds are fungible. The real problem is and always has been government spending and the growth of government.
poor replying to a comment from Marc / January 18, 2012 at 02:18 pm
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poor little right winger, afraid to open your wallet and pay taxes so services needed by other people can be kept running.
MER1978 replying to a comment from Jay / January 18, 2012 at 02:37 pm
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"Last time I checked about 30 cents of tax per litre of gas that people who use cars have to spend for roads."

Have to be spent on which roads... provincial highways + bridges that the city doesn't pay to maintain?
Martin replying to a comment from Jay / January 18, 2012 at 03:50 pm
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Road maintenance in the city falls under Transportation Services http://www.toronto.ca/transportation/about.htm and is paid for by property taxes, not gas taxes.

Click on the "How your tax dollars work for you" link:http://www.toronto.ca/taxes/property_tax/index.htm
Sheena replying to a comment from The truth / January 18, 2012 at 04:36 pm
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Imagine if Pantalone won? All those civic workers would be guaranteed jobs FOR LIFE and we would have never had an idea to build a monorail!!!!!!!!!
Jenny / January 18, 2012 at 05:28 pm
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I agree that Wong-Tam is terrible. The sooner she, and the Ford brothers leave Toronto the better.
Jay replying to a comment from Martin / January 19, 2012 at 02:00 am
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I think you are decidedly wrong, from the same site there is a link on what your property tax pays for, you will see upon reading the link that property tax does not pay for roads:

http://www.toronto.ca/budget2010/pdf/op2010_factsheet_howdollarworks2.pdf
McRib / January 19, 2012 at 02:42 am
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transportation services numbnuts. on a property tax bill of $2400, $122 goes to trabsportation services. Transportation Services take care of (among other things) road maintenance. way to prove yourself an idiot.
Martin replying to a comment from Jay / January 19, 2012 at 09:48 am
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To reiterate what @McRib says, about 5% of your property taxes go to Transportation Services, which according to the website:

Transportation Services is responsible for creating and maintaining liveable streets for all Toronto residents. The division looks after:

road and sidewalk maintenance

So if some of our property taxes fund that division and they (among other things) look after road maintenance does that not mean our property taxes pay for roads?

Rama replying to a comment from ml / January 29, 2012 at 12:43 pm
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Hi ML, this might be too late, but I just came across this article that has a quick way to find out how your Councillor voted. The Star covered the story, at the bottom of the article is an interactive google map that shows how each Councillor voted.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1117299--how-councillors-coalesced-to-defeat-mayor-rob-ford?bn=1
Alex Green / February 4, 2012 at 12:58 pm
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It remains a fact that the majority of people in Toronto are struggling to make ends meat while a remote few are way over paid to do what they do. I support the cities stand against CUPE local, our city workers are more than fairly paid. The majority of Torontonians make HALF that of a union worker. UNIONS were and are MOB run and the ONLY purpose is to make money not to aid workers. The cirty needs to ammend the ontario fair wage policy to accomodate those city workers and scrap THE MOB Unions.

Has anyone stopped to realize just how much money unions make? from almost EVERY construction project, every city worker, every union member.. it takes a cut of the money.. adding to Billions of dollars and only a small portion is ever given back. Its a better, more profitable business than all McDonalds franshises put together !

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