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TTC routes mapped by the time between stops

Posted by Derek Flack / October 24, 2011

TTC Route Map Time StopHere's a neat-o TTC map from earlier this year that's been brought renewed attention by the Reddit TO crew. Created by James Rosselet, Rocket by Time updates the standard TTC route map via the addition of the predicted interval between each stop (provided there are no delays). The data upon which the map is based was sourced from Google's transit maps (for streetcars) as well as manually timed (for subways) and, crucially, pertains to non-peak hours when there's less traffic in the system.

As such, it can't be used as an authoritative guide to TTC travel times, but it's a fascinating document nevertheless. I, for instance, have always wondered just how long it takes to get from Eglinton West to St. Clair West Station, which though it often seems like more than five minutes actually clocks in at around 3:53. Got a similar query? You can take a look at the high res version of the map here.

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Discussion

26 Comments

zxc / October 24, 2011 at 11:59 am
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I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure there should be a couple of streetcars coming out of Union Station.
DOH replying to a comment from zxc / October 24, 2011 at 12:10 pm
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DOH*



*doh
Todd Toronto / October 24, 2011 at 12:10 pm
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Less than four minutes between St. Clair West and Eglinton West? I believe that, but it always seems MUCH, MUCH longer. I suppose that's psychological.
tick / October 24, 2011 at 12:16 pm
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Lawrence to York Mills is wayyyyyy longer than 3:25.
Jeff / October 24, 2011 at 12:26 pm
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The map shows "Ossington" on the 504 (King) line. Ossington St doesn't go South of Queen St.
John / October 24, 2011 at 12:28 pm
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I feel like Old Mill <-> Royal York is much longer than Royal York <-> Islington or Islington <-> Kipling.
tick / October 24, 2011 at 12:30 pm
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Proofreading and fact checking. The lost arts.
Sarah / October 24, 2011 at 12:37 pm
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Even in non-peak times, the Queen West times (say, between University and Jameson) are wrong. That area is continually backed up by traffic, even at midday. Times take much much longer than predicted.
jake / October 24, 2011 at 01:03 pm
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lawrence going south to eglinton is no way 2.53
iSkyscraper / October 24, 2011 at 01:08 pm
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I understand they were trying to include the streetcar times and it was a lot of text to cram in there, but the way they have shown it is confusing. It would be better to have an inset blowup of downtown with room for the times between all stops rather than making extra stations just for streetcar representations.

Why are so many commenters carping about the accuracy of the times? Aren't these known based on schedules? Here in New York all such schedule information is widely available from the transit agency. Can't one just pull the info off the TTC trip planner?
Ruhee / October 24, 2011 at 01:17 pm
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"Kippling"?

I've always wanted to know this stuff, though. And iSkyscraper, the schedule times are usually guesses these days, especially at peak times (I'd add 50% onto many of these for rush hour).
Alex replying to a comment from jake / October 24, 2011 at 01:52 pm
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Actually I've clocked that one myself and it is about 3 minutes. This map is really cool, I usually use trip planner though and it is pretty accurate too.
mikeb / October 24, 2011 at 02:02 pm
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The map shows the Yonge and St Clair streetcar stop to be about where Bayview is located.
jb / October 24, 2011 at 02:40 pm
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Looks just like the regular map!
Jib replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / October 24, 2011 at 03:09 pm
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because this isn't New York. Toronto does not have the benefit of ideal scheduled times. At best this artist merely took the scheduled times that in no way accurately represent the intolerable reality that is the Toronto Transit Commission.
G / October 24, 2011 at 03:33 pm
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every station should say 2:00 to 10:00 + plus possible shuttle bus/passenger assistance alarm = 30:00 to 1.5hrs.
Kieren replying to a comment from Jib / October 24, 2011 at 05:15 pm
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By all means, move to New York.
James / October 24, 2011 at 05:55 pm
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Good to know... and we've also learnt that proof reading and fact checking are "arts", and that they have somehow gotten lost.
Mr. S. replying to a comment from Kieren / October 24, 2011 at 06:42 pm
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Kieran, your comment is 'Godwin's Law' for Toronto: say anything critical about Toronto, especially if accurate, and somebody will tell you to move rather than address it.
Idiot replying to a comment from Kieren / October 24, 2011 at 08:16 pm
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Kieran, clearly you have problems comprehending English. Maybe you should re-read what jib wrote. What does the TTC being the piece of shit that it is have to do with New York? Further, who gives a rats ass!!!!! This is TORONTO
Kevo / October 24, 2011 at 10:29 pm
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ionno Jib, other than the usually passenger-caused delays (which somehow rarely seem to affect me during rush hour, knock on wood), the subway is remarkably predictable. The trains I take come at the exact same minute every day... there are, obviously, improvements that could be made to the system, but after growing up in the 'burbs the TTC is like heaven on earth.

Also PLEASE READ THE MAP people!
-of _course_ stations aren't going to match up with their respective intersections - the map is scaled on TIME not DISTANCE!
-it also says on the scale what the times are based on: "Minutes (Averaged, without delays, non-peak hours)".
-Below the scale bar it also gives HOW the times were calculated!
iSkyscraper / October 24, 2011 at 11:27 pm
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Look, I've lived 11 years in New York and 20 in Toronto, so I'm qualified to opine. My point was, the New York MTA is a complete wreck of an agency (you think the TTC is bad? Ha!) but even they have been very good about handing out data. There are dozens of apps for smartphones that use MTA scheduling to estimate travel times. I'm surprised the TTC does not do similar and people have to resort to using a stopwatch to figure out station travel times.
Mir / October 25, 2011 at 09:01 am
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(psst "Summer Hill", "Kippling", and "Ladsdowne" (on the streetcar line) are spelled wrong)
Kevo replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / October 25, 2011 at 06:56 pm
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@iSkyscraper:

Recently the TTC made both the routes and schedules open to anyone for free and without royalties through the Toronto Open Data initiative (http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/open_data/open_data_list?vgnextoid=6e886aa8cc819210VgnVCM10000067d60f89RCRD#T). They also have a real time feed of vehicles which have GPSes on them, such as the streetcars. Several of the current apps for mobile devices are based on both of these sources of data (I think one for the iPhone is called Red Rocket, I don't have an iPhone so I haven't used it).

From what I've heard from NY press and residents, the MTA is a mess - financially and in terms of its infrastructure. It's 50% subsidized yet manages to run a $3 Billion deficit. If you're going to compare our subway to somewhere, do it with Tokyo or another system like it.
Shawn / October 26, 2011 at 12:50 am
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Looks cool, but its pretty useless. The only time the TTCs posted times are correct are by accident.

Anyone who has ever used the 506 at any time of day, any day of the year will agree that that map doesn't represent reality unless that's measuring hours rather than minutes. Freezing my ass off in -20C weather waiting over an hour for a packed streetcar at Carlton & Yonge is enough to solidify that.
Ruvell / October 30, 2011 at 10:51 pm
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These pceies really set a standard in the industry.

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